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unafraid. the story, hosted by my colleague martha maccallum, starts right now. ♪ ♪ >> martha: breaking tonight, the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff saying the american people and the families of our fallen soldiers deserve answers about the deadly ambush in niger. i'm martha maccallum and that is where our story begins tonight. four dead soldiers, many more questions than answers at this point. so late this afternoon general dunford came out to explain to the greatest possible extent at this point, what happened. >> early in the morning on thed. of october as i mentioned u.s. forces accompanied that reconnaissance movement to gather information. the assessment by our leaders on the ground at that time was contact with the enemy was unlikely. midmorning on october 4th, the patrol began to take fire as they were returning
to their operating base. during the fire fight, two u.s. soldiers were wounded and evacuated by french air to miami. and that was consistent with the quality evacuation plan that was in place for this particular operation. three u.s. soldiers who were killed in action were evacuated on the evening of 4 october and at that time sergeant la david johnson was still missing. on the evening of 6 october, sergeant johnson's body was found and subsequently evacuated. from the time the fire fight was initiated until sergeant johnson's body was recovered. french, nigerian or u.s. forces remained in that area. >> martha: let's get right to it with fox news national security correspondent jennifer griffin was at that briefing at the pelc. pentagon. what do you think are the biggest take aways? >> martha, it's interesting. general dunford said he called mattis in asia this morning he wanted to address the press to address certain misconceptions about the
attack in niger that led to the death of those four u.s. soldiers. we now know that u.s. troops arrived in the village 85 miles north of the capital on october 3rd and stayed overnight. it's not clear if that was part of the original plan. the attack occurred midmorning the next day. sergeant la david johnson's body would not be found for a full two days, 50 heavily armed fighters attacked the convoy after they left the village and were on their way back to the base. dunford commented that -- confirmed that no drone was overhead when the battle started but said a drone was repositioned overhead within minutes. he said he had not yet viewed the video. >> who found sergeant johnson's body? >> the body was reported by nigerian forces to u.s. forces. >> general dunford, when did you alert the white house? >> we notified the white house as soon as we had a soldier that was missing. >> it was probably around
9:00 or 9:30 washington, d.c. time the night of the 4th. and at that point knowing what we had a missing soldier, we made a decision to make sure that all of the resources, to include national assets were available. >> general dunford provided a new time line as to when the u.s. troops called for support. a full hour after first contact with the enemy. it would take two hours before the french warplanes were above. >> when they requested support, it took the french aircraft, french were ready to go in 30 minutes. and then it took them 30 minutes, approximately 30 minutes to get on the scene. it's important to note that when they didn't ask for support for that first half, my judgment would be that that unit thought they could handle the situation without additional support. >> that's different from the time line first provided by the pentagon that french warplanes were on site within 30 minutes. fox news learned today u.s. troops did not communicate with the french jets above and those warplanes never
dropped any bombs. general dunford said u.s. forces in niger are not allowed to accompany local forces if they expect enemy contact and they did not expect resistance on this patrol. martha? >> martha: thank you very much. here with more lieutenant michael waltz former green beret commander who served in niger and helped train i the army there. he is also a fox news contributor. thanks as always for being here tonight. >> thanks, martha. >> martha: you listened to all of in this afternoon. what's your take away? >> my first take away i think general dunford wanted to come out and have this press conference because there is this growing chorus that there is this covert war going on. shock and surprise that we have this type of presence in africa. as we have talked about before, green berets, special forces are doing this very type of mission in 60 to 80 countries around
the world as we speak and in case of niger it's in a very bad neighborhood with al qaeda and boko haram and isis pouring out of libya since that country has fallen apart. tactically, again, we are working through local forces. we are not in combat per se but we are in a very dangerous neighborhood. i think the investigation is going to uncover things like why did it take an hour to initially call for any type of support? as general dunford said, perhaps it was just a very small initial contact and the team and nigerian commander thought they could handle it. the other pieces the coordination with the french and the coalition. and where did the intelligence go wrong? clearly the route was compromised. was it leaked from the villagers? was there some type of mistake? all of those things though are lessons learned. and those are things that we will have to carry forward. these missions are not going to stop. we are in a global war against terrorism. >> martha: absolutely. let me ask you about this tweet by representative wilson who has been at the center of so much of this
controversy. she said niger is @ real donald trump's benghazi. he needs to own it. your thoughts on that? >> you know, i think i think it's a bit ridiculous. that's political gamesmanship. i would like to see at large this this political game manship on gold star families and how they deal with their loss get off the headlines. every family deals with it differently. i have had families angry at me. angry at the president. angry at the war. i have had others be very thankful. i just wish it would, frankly, simmer down and go away. >> martha: do you think back in the early days of the benghazi controversy if that administration had come forward and done what general dunford did today that it would have been more transparent that it might not have gone the way it did
in terms of how many questions there were out there. >> i think there was no doubt political spin, you know, in on election year in 2012 on 9/11 when it came to benghazi and that we heard over and over again. it was because of some video from some guy in california. and not an attack by al qaeda on our embassy on 9/11. i commend general dunford for what he did today. he laid out what we know and what we still have to find out u again, there is no fault on that team or on the mission; you know there is lessons to be learned here so we move forward and prosecute this fight. >> martha: colonel michael waltz, always good to see you, sir. thank you so much. >> thank you, martha. >> martha: general dunford's defense came hours after the widow of sergeant la david johnson spoke political for the first time about her phone call with donald trump. stopping by fredericka wilson's account. watch. >> the president said that he knew what he signed up
for but it hurts anyway. and i was -- it made me cry because i was very angry at the tone of his voice and how he said it. he couldn't remember my husband name. the only way he remembered my husband's name. he told me had my husband's report in front of him. that's when he actually said la david. i heard him stumbling on trying to remember my husband name. and that what hurt me the most because if my husband is out here fighting for our country and he risks his life for our country, why can't you remember his name? and that what make me upset and cry even more because my husband was awesome soldier. >> martha: one hour after that interview aired president trump tweeted. this i had a very respectful conversation with the widow of sergeant la david johnson and spoke his name from the beginning without hesitation and so on and on this goes.
my next guest is also a gold star wife britney jacobs her husband chris jacobs was killed during a training exercise six years ago and she joins me tonight. it's good to have you here, britney. good evening to you. >> thank you for having me. >> martha: you know, it's -- obviously we all feel for her and you can put yourself in her shoes far more than most of us. what's your reaction to all of the back and forth, that the president is still tweeting about this? what does it make you feel? >> first and foremost, i just want to send my condolences to ms. johnson and her family. this is such a difficult time i lost my husband as you know. i know what it feels like, it hurts, it's hard. emotions are really high right now with her. honestly, the president has been nothing but amazing to me and my family. and i think it's sad the way the media, not the media but
per se the way everyone is politicizing it the president, i think, when he called her, i think he had the best of intentions. i feel that no president would call a family member, especially as soon as they lost their loved one and say, you know, anything that they think would offend them or upset them. by no means are her feelings wrong but it's a sad thing that has happened. i think people just need to step back and give the president a chance to see that, you know what? he was trying to do the right thing. he was trying to support the family. and just see the good in it. i feel like he was trying to be supportive and caring. i feel like it's been twisted all around. that's not the president that i know and that i have an experience with he has been so caring to me and my family. >> martha: you know, i thought it was very interesting when we just spoke with lieutenant colonel michael waltz. because he says he has spoken to grieving families. he says sometimes they
respond very well and sometimes they are very angry at you. and i think everyone understands both of those reactions. i mean, you are going to have feels about what they were doing there. whether or not you feel it's right or wrong. there are so many complicated feelings with how anybody takes it in when they receive this news or that outreach. go ahead. i'm sorry. you were saying? >> and i said and have you lots of questions. i'm sure she is just wanting so many answers right now and she is not getting them. i know that's difficult, too. it will come in time. but i know it's difficult for her. >> martha: yeah. she talked about, you know, not being able to see her husband's body and, you know, we just heard from general dunford. he said that sometimes we don't recommend it. i mean, that is so heart breaking. and you can feel her pain on that. you know, what's your response on that? >> my heart goes out to her
for that because that would rip my heart out. it took me a while to be able to view my husband after his death. but i was very blessed and thankful that i had the chance to view him. yeah. my heart breaks for her. because i cannot imagine not being able to see him if i wanted to and say my last goodbyes. >> martha: brittany jacobs we thank you for your sacrifice and your family's sacrifice and your husband's sacrifice, of course. good to see you. >> thank you so much, ma'am. >> martha: still to come, a surprise turn of events in the russia investigation as hillary clinton's name is now associated with this probably. so what is going on with that? one of her biggest backers reportedly the focus now of a criminal investigation here. the man who literally wrote the book on the clintons, peter schweizer here with his exclusive insight after this. and president trump going to
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peter schweizer, president of the government accountability institute and author of clinton cash, the untold story of how and why foreign businesses and governments helped make bill and hillary rich. peter, welcome back. good to see you tonight on "the story." first of all, you believe that tony podesta, this is a real issue? >> yeah, it's a huge issue. the foreign agents registration act was launched in the 1930s in the wake of nazi aitems to politics. if you are doing work for foreign entity like this so-called think tank, you are required to register with the justice department. and they do that so that people know who you are meeting with and, you know, who is paying you to do those activities. based on these reports, the podesta group did not register with the justice department. that's a huge issue. >> martha: paul manafort has the same issue with the same group, correct? >> that's exactly right. they were both working for
the same group. it's also interesting to point out the podesta group, this lobbying firm was also a lobbyist for uranium one beginning in 2012 to the tune of $180,000. so, lots of interesting connections with the podesta group. >> martha: all right. what about the $500,000 clinton -- bill clinton speech. how does that play into this? >> well, that ties into 2010 when they're trying to get the approval of uranium one to be sold to the russians. bill clinton gives a half a million-dollar speech in moscow, which is basically three times more than he had ever been paid to give a speech in russia before. and the company that paid for that was an investment firm that, of course, was pushing uranium one as an investment that people ought to invest in. >> martha: i'm sorry, because i remember when hillary clinton became secretary of state the obama administration was concerned about the clinton foundation and all their deals and bill's speeches and all of that the former president's speeches. so when all of this is going
on, how is there not oversight from the obama administration that would have led someone to say hey, guys, this is not cool. you need to straighten this out. >> it's a great question, martha. there was no oversight. here's the thing. both president obama and john kerry when he was chairman of the foreign relations committee at hillary clinton's confirmation hearings, they said you're required as a condition of being secretary of state to disclose the flow of money and in the uranium one donations they failed to do that. millions of dollars they did not disclose. it only became exposed when we went through canadian tax records. so, a lot of evidence that there seemed to have been a cover up to try to prevent this money from being disclosed. >> martha: i mean, you know, it seems pretty simple in a way. if there is nothing there, then there was no reason to not go through the proper registration with fara and be transparent about it if there is nothing to be -- peter schweizer? >> i think that's exactly right. >> martha: thank you very much. go ahead. >> if you don't have anything to hide, you don't
have anything to hide. >> martha: it seems that way. thanks so much. david bossie joins me now former deputy campaign manager and fox news contributor and marianne march former advisor to john kerry. marianne, let me start with you, it seems that if there is no problem, then why would you not go through the proper channels and make sure you are dotting your i's and cross your t's here why keep fund wraps? >> hillary clinton had nothing to do with the uranium one decision. period, end of sentence. she wasn't involved with it. >> martha: she was on the economy and she had tcommittee o sign off on it? >> she did not participate in the decision. >> martha: her name is on the committee. >> that's a fact and barack obama is the one who approved it. >> martha: which is it? >> she did not participate in that decision. >> martha: doesn't that seem rather convenient to you that she decided not to participate in this particular decision when she's on that board? that doesn't smell a little funny to you? >> you are either saying she recuse herself and
rightfully so he given the circumstances outlined in the previous segment or if she had participated in it there would be something nefarious. which is it? she recused herself. >> martha: her husband was giving speeches and interactions with these companies? that's why? >> i don't know the circumstances, martha. in terms of the speeches, do i know there was a process where president clinton would check speeches and other things. it is probably better at this point to disclose it if it has not been. but, in terms of her participation, i don't know the reason she didn't. but she did not participate. >> martha: david, it feels like the same old, same old. they play by their own rules a lot. >> absolutely. one of the only reasons that we found out about these connections is that we had a piece of littl litigation under foia for several years to finally get the memos that listed all of the russians that bill clinton wanted to go meet with when he got his $500,000 payment. and, of course, it's the uranium one guys. that's the connection.
and it takes years to figure this out and john solomon and the group at the hill have been leading the way, no other mainstream media, all the mainstream media wants to do is talk about the trump campaign and collusion when there's not one ounce of fact but here we have an important, important story and nobody is talking about it. >> martha: you want to know more about this marianne? >> well, first of all, in bret baier's segment earlier this evening and by peter schweizer's account where he was interviewed, the people that you are pointing fingers at did not donate money until 2007. in 2007, she was gearing up for presidential race against barack obama. she was not secretary of state. so, those are the facts here. and i don't think you can -- what you are trying to do here is kind of muddy the waters and try to conflate uranium one with the. >> the clinton defense team muddies the water. the clinton defense team. >> you are trying to conflate the uranium one with robert mueller's investigation. and robert mueller's investigation is the united states of america against russia and vladimir putin,
not democrat vs. republican. >> martha: marianne, hold on, guys, marianne, if that includes, which obviously it does because they are in the middle of that investigation, and every american should want to understand any influence that russia wants to have, but that also happens to go into this other avenue with tony podesta. so that's where it's going because that's what happens whether you have an investigation. >> fine. martha, i agree with you. and that's fine, and tony podesta, it's well known, did business with paul manafort. that is a fact. it's a well-known fact and has been reported for some time. it appears he has fara problem like paul manafort and michael flynn. all of whom didn't register. they did it retroactively. that's a felony. that's a problem. that's serious. i love the fact that robert mueller is going down all the avenues here and has nothing to do with party. >> martha: we started with marianne. we are going to end with david. david, final thoughts. >> first of all, mueller was the fbi director when this investigation seemed to have been covered up by the obama
department of justice. eric holder seems to have put this thing under a rug and they didn't tell congress. they didn't inform congress. when this important decision about uranium one's purchase was going on no one in congress knew about it that's why this stinks to heaven. that's why jeff sessions must appoint an independent counsel other than robert mueller to investigate it. >> martha: we have to leave it there. >> last point. >> martha: real quick. >> on 2015 there were members sent by members of congress on the oversight committee. they are yot have hearing. they might have it now. >> there will be hearings now. >> martha: all of this come up from the hill story which said the fbi investigation while this process of approval was taking place. but the guy is on the committee didn't know about it. so, thanks, you guys. that will make sense. thank you, great to have you both here tonight. so, coming up next, this. >> i want to get it by the end of the year. i would be very disappointed if it took that long. >> martha: so will they take that long? what does this plan actually
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i didn't do it! i'm so glad you caught that. uh huh. >> i think we are going to get our taxes. i think it's going to be, well, hopefully before the end of the year, but maybe much sooner than that. there is a great spirit for it people want to see it i call it tax cuts. it is tax reform also. but i call it tax cuts. it will be the biggest cuts ever in the history of this country. >> martha: that was president trump speaking exclusively with fox business network maria bartiromo pushing full steam ahead to try to get the tax reform plan done. he calls it tax cuts though by the end of the year. ed the deadline is important so that the change can be made for your 2017 return there is a reason they want to get this done before the end of the year. a lot of questions remain
about what is and is not in this plan because no one has actually seen it before. including new reports it could put limits on retirement contributions. president trump quickly shooting that down on twitter saying, quote: there will be no change to your 401(k). this has always been a great and popular middle class tax break that works. and it stays. here now karl rove former deputy chief of staff to george w. bush and fox news contributor. good to see you, karl. good to see you. >> good evening. >> martha: mitch mcconnell wouldn't commit on the question of the 401(k) and the question is how much you could deduct tax free of the money that you put into your 401(k). is that flexible or do you think, you know, do you stick with the president on that? >> i think the president was pretty declarative about it and let's explain why they were trying to do that. your contributions to your ira or 401(k). you pay the tax when you retire and take the money out. it's taxed. it reduces your adjustable
gross income on the front end because it's tax deductible and then you pay the tax when you retire, decades from now. the roth ira you pay the tax when you put the money. in and you take it out tax-free. so, if suddenly they reduce the amount of money you can put into an ira or 401(k), it will encourage for people to get a roth ira and pay the tax upfront than a couple of decades from now. this was an accounting gimmick, if you will, to take those taxes that would be paid in the future and pull them forward, thereby reducing the amount of -- that would add to the deficit. the president was pretty clear. let's not monkey around with it boys and girls so we end up with something like that and leave it alone. figure out some other way to reduce the size of the deficit. it occurs as a result of this. >> martha: that's what it all comes down to. clearly for paul ryan who is trying to figure out the numbers and how much revenue they need. so, and, therefore, how many tax cuts they can put into this plan. and he is kind of riding
those numbers and trying to make sure that they work. there is also this possibility that they may maintain the top -- the millionaire tax bracket at 3.6%. or it might even go higher than that. what do you think about that? >> well, first of all, i'm not certain that this idea on the 401(k)s came from the house ways and means committee or the speaker of the house. we don't know where it came from. nobody's fingerprints were on it and the president was wise to quickly kill it so we don't spend more time on it. look, they have a lot of work to do on this. and, this top bracket question is going to be an important question. i don't think there's any likelihood that they're going to lower the top bracket. i also don't think there is very much likelihood that they are going to raise it what they may do is simply leave it where it is. and realize that the top rate is going to be at 39.5. and there is going to be essentially no tax break for people at the very top. >> martha: all right. in terms of what we saw over the weekend, the hurricane
relief moment, which was really special, i mean, seeing five living presidents up on that stage and all pulling together and it's interesting the sort of, you know, buddy moments that we have seen emerging. and i think that everybody, you know, the people who are in this club, it's the most exclusive club in the world. and they are in it. so i just want to show a couple seconds of this moment between president bush and president obama, which is getting a lot of attention today. watch. >> disaster but can be a new beginning. if we just do what we ought to do. and prove that the heart of america, without regard to race or religion or political party. >> martha: so you saw that little, you know, like boys in the back of the classroom snicker, snicker and they look at each other. i don't know if it was something happening in the front row. they both seemed to be sort of looking out or something going on with bill clinton. what do you think, karl rove? >> well, martha, i'm sorry,
it's not what i think. i know. i saw that same moment it wasn't a snicker. it was a giggle on the part of president obama, president bush ducked behind president clinton and said something, president obama began to giggle. i actually have -- there is a report. you may not know this, but there are -- the activities of the former presidents are carefully cataloged by intelligence agencies. and there is a top secret report out on the college station five presidents meeting on saturday as you can see but it's also -- it's very secret it's code word ha ha ha. i would like to share with you what that joke was but i have got. >> martha: good thing have you that ha ha ha security clearance and you got to see it? >> exactly. it was actually a pretty good joke. it was a very funny joke and it only took three words. >> martha: won't tell us what the three words are. >> no, i'm not going to. i'm sorry. i would be breaking the
bond. >> martha: goodbye karl. >> top secret. >> martha: thanks, karl. good to see you. >> you bet. >> martha: when we come back tonight, remember this? >> he served the united states with honor and distinction. >> martha: but sergeant bowe bergdahl pled guilty to desserting his post and to running. he is on the verge of finding out his fate for betraying his comrades and putting some of them in danger. he is talking about his time in captivity now. lieutenant colonel tony shaffer played a role in getting bergdahl home safely. his unique take is next. plus, congresswoman maxine waters ramps up the rhetoric against president trump. you didn't think it could get any more ramped up, did you? wait until you hear this. ♪ ♪ four weeks without the car. okay, yep. good night. with accident forgiveness, your rates won't go up just because of an accident. switching to allstate is worth it.
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court proceedings resume on wednesday. tonight bergdahl is speaking out though about his life outside of captivity, telling the sunday times, quote: at least the taliban were honest enough to say i'm the guy who is going to cut your throat. here, it could be the guy i pass in the corridor who is going to sane the paper that sends me away for life. lieutenant colonel tony shaffer played a role in getting bergdahl home safely. is he a cia intel operative and fellow at the center for research. what's your reaction to what he said? >> well, first, look, the bottom line is the article 99 charge is being, you know, shown to be clearer every day. he is still a uniformed members of the military. martha, what he is saying is giving aid and comfort to the taliban. think about this. a uniformed soldier of the u.s. army is saying derogatory terms about his own service. you don't have to be in
afghanistan to be helping the taliban like he did by walking away. let's revisit everything that's happened. by the way, fox news, catherine herridge, reported all of this in great detail way ahead of the curb two years ago. he abandoned his post. a great deal of effort was expended to try to recover him. men were killed and injured badly in the process of trying to do. this we are talking upwards of 7 to 10 dead. and most importantly, martha, remember, his departure in going to the taliban gave huge leverage by the taliban against the united states in our afghan allies. so, again, after all this time, he can't just sit down. >> martha: yeah. >> plead guilty and do the right thing. instead, again, if i were his commanding officer i would sock him with a second article 99 charge for saying what he is doing and givingth taliban legitimate propaganda for them to use against news afghanistan. >> martha: you know, you hear all of this and you read his own words.
he said he left his unit because, quote, one of the biggest s-something is being put in charge of our team. his father wrote to him and said, son, have you got to follow your conscience. he took off. fast forward to the rose garden ceremony where he is there with the parents of bowe bergdahl and susan rice and president obama both suggesting that he served honorably. how do you square that? >> look, martha, i served for three and 30 and a half yed i worked for a lot of butt heads. >> martha: that's a nicer way. >> i never walked away and failed to do my duty. this is where there is clearly a huge departure. this man decided to abandon his post. put in jeopardy his colleagues and comrades and then in the end, again, this was not unknown to president obama and the white house. the then chairman of the joint chiefs, the admiral in charge actually knew all of this. he was confronted by the troops while visiting afghanistan that the fact that bergdahl abandoned.
and, again, i was part of the recovery effort. martha, all of this was known behind the scenes to include classified information that cannot be released but does support the article 99 charge. it's completely insane. >> martha: tony shaffer, thank you very much. >> thank you, martha. >> martha: thank you for being here tonight. this gets started on wednesday. good background. thanks, tony. >> thank you. >> martha: coming up next, some ugly rhetoric, when you thought it couldn't get any worse. it appears to be. >> i will go and take trump out tonight. >> martha: that was received with a huge applause in that crowd. the california democrat maxine waters go too far in criticizing president trump? ben shapiro and richard fowler on that and another case of a curious cartoon in the berkeley newspaper when we come back. ♪ ♪
>> martha: congresswoman maxine waters ramping up her rhetoric against president trump. the california democrat started calling for the president's impeachment shortly after the january inauguration. watch. >> republicans should step up to the plate and confront the fact that this president appears to be unstable. >> when is the black community going to say impeach him? it's time to go after him. i don't hear you. >> i have said over and over again i think he is the most deplorable person i have ever met in my life. > >> martha: but this time some say waters may have taken it so far. listen to what she said at a recent new york gala. >> i am sitting here listening, watching, absorbing, thinking about even though i never met him with this kind of inspiration, i will go and take trump out tonight. [cheers and applause]
>> martha: then there is that. ben shapiro editor and chief at daily wire.com. radio talk show host and fox news contributor. richard, i'm just watching this. it really isn't that surprising. i mean, you know, when you look at all the things maxine waters has said since the inauguration. but i can't help but wonder if previous president, president obama or president clinton if someone had stood up and said that about them, don't you think the outrage on the other side would have been uncontainable? >> and i think the outrage was uncontainable when ted nugent threatened to shoot the president. outrage on the left uncontainable. >> martha: he is not a congresswoman though. >> i don't think she was threatening to kill the president interest this particular sound bite. i think some on the right are saying she is threatening to kill him. go take him out. just like i will take out hillary clinton and beat her in the next election. it's a very tongue in cheek saying. she has been in congress since 1991. nobody believes that she is going to go to the white
house and try to harm, physically harm the president in any way. >> martha: i gotcha. so you are saying that the rhetorics that desolve dee dee involved so dramatically that this is the way we talk now, ben, what do you think. >> i think there is truth to that pretty outstanding example how far the rhetoric has evolved. maxine waters incredittable things. l.a. uprising. she has used charged language for 20-odd years. corrupt member of congress. i don't think anyone is particularly surprised by. this the shouting and cheering for the idea take him out tonight. it's the word tonight that adds extra flavor. it's not i'm going to take him out in 2018 or 2018. take him out tonight is what everyone is sort of upset about and rightfully so. >> one thing i want to say. the president's rhetoric is almost just as bad. he said he could shoot somebody on fifth avenue and still be elected president of the united states. right? so his rhetoric is just as bad. so, i mean, i think to sit here and to criticize the
congresswoman waters we should be criticizing the president for using the same type of rhetoric. >> he didn't say that someone should be taken out. >> martha: devolved to such an extent that we think of this as no big deal. speaking of rhetoric, let's take a look at this cartoon put out in the daily californian which sounds like a sunday paper. it's dershowitz with his head pushed through some sort of wall and images back there depict something on the palestinian flag and israeli soldier shooting unarmed person. and let's also put up what allen dershowitz showed us in terms of what was put up at the university on the bulletin board where there was a was stick call draw drawn over his face. ben? >> i mean, it's pretty shocking anti-semitic stuff. this cartoon is straight from the pages appearing in the berkeley newspaper
suggesting alan dershowitz is a tool of the israelis not only the israelis but israelis are engaged in which they are killing innocent children for no reason at all. it's opposite anti-zion tim equal anti-semitism. >> martha: let's put up a quote from alan dershowitz, he points out irony is word remember, this is a reaction to a speech in which i said i support a palestinian state and he goes on to say i support the end of the occupation. i'm against israeli policies on settlements. you know, and, richard, it just raises the question of whether or not there is some similarities between, you know, sort of the hard progressive left and this neo nazi hard right. >> listen, i have said all along i think there is racism on both sides of the aisle. i don't care how you split the cookie. i think there is racism in the democratic party. i think there is racism in the republican party. i think there is homophobia
in the democratic party. i think there is homophobia in the republican party. i don't think homophobia, reyes racism, xenophobia. i think there is hate in people's heart and there is nothing you can do about it. i don't think it hides under one particular political cloak or another. period. >> martha: ben? >> there is truth to that how close is that hate to the heart of a particular movement? when you are talking about the anti-zionism, antisemitism, that seems closer to the heart of the democratic party than the republican party. >> martha: i have got to go. that was a really cheery segment. thanks a lot. both sides are horrible. an emotional moment when we come back. after this.m and this wrestling ticket... which you still owe me for. seriously? $25 i didn't even want to go. ahhh, your diary. "mom says it is totally natural..."
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years. captain rose is credited with saving 60 wounded men over four days of intense combat. even though he was himself zeerl wounded. eyewitness accounts say that captain rose rushed into enemy fire to save his fellow soldier again and again. watch this. >> reaction during those four days mike value grantly fought for the life of his comrades, even if it meant the end of his own life mike, you will, i have to say, your really, your will to endure, your life for your fellow soldier, your devotion to your country inspires us all. i have to tell you, that is something. nations are formed out of the strength and patriotism that lives in the hearts of our great heroes. >> martha: captain mike rose and his family, we are thinking of them tonight. that's our story for this
evening. our story goes on though tomorrow night at 7:00 right here. in the meantime, stand by. tucker carlson is right after this. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ >> tucker: good evening and welcome to tucker carlson tonight. for months you could hear the word echoing from congressional offices and television studios all over washington, russia, russia, russia. the very people who spent 70 years making excuses for the soviet union were suddenly convinced that russian agents had visited our shores in the dead of night to murder american democracy and install their puppet in our white house. trump won because of vladimir putin. that was their claim. it seemed confusing to mease people. but to our decadent and completely unimpressing ruling class, the explanation made perfect sense. how far else could