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today. babe bucky buckner and then aaron boone. they're doing better lately. i'll see you later. cavuto is coming up. >> they made up the whole russia hoax. now it's turning out the hoax has turned around. you look at what has happened with russia and you look at the uranium deal and look at the fake dossier, that's all turned around. >> neil: he said it. he's had it. today we're all over it. the consistency of it. so forget these guys. new revelations putting heat on, well, these guys. first news of the uranium one deal. and now the dnc and clintons helped fund the trump dossier. that issue, being fair, being balanced. when it comes to russian ties, trying to be consistent.
if it is a big deal for donald trump jr. to meet with russian players during the campaign, why is it a big deal when the clinton campaign and dnc itself reportedly paid for opposition research of their own from the russians? today a look at who is talking, who is stone walling and where all this is going. with former obama cia director leon panetta and republican senate judiciary committee chair, chuck grassley. first to catherine herridge examining all of this. what is the latest? >> in this letter, the general counsel for the clinton campaign confirms that he was approached by fusion dps. the research led to the trump dossier that was shared with the fbi in the summer of 2016. on america's newsroom, the chairman questioned whether the bureau knew about the dnc
funding and still used the unverified file to open the russia probe and obtain warrants on trump's campaign. >> i want to know if the nation's premier law enforcement agency that relied on a document that looks like the national inquirer prepared it. >> glenn simpson hired christopher steele, a former british intelligence officer for the project. by the summer of 2016, fusion gps was working for another client. fusion was hired by the russian lawyer that asked and got that june 2016 trump tower meeting with donald trump jr. that meeting is part of robert mueller's investigation. today the dnc issued a statement said the current leadership was in the dark about the dossier and the democratic connections. a reason tom perez and the new leadership of the dnc were not involved in any decision making regarding fusion gps, nor were
they aware that the law firm perkins coy was working with the organization. there's a serious investigation into trump's ties to russia and the american public deserves to know what happened. on the uranium one investigation, we're told the gag order on the fbi informant could be lifted in the case at any time, even later today, neil. >> neil: thanks, catherine. not surprisingly this is broken down along party lines. democrats say it's much adieu about nothing. the opposition research happens all the time. and republicans point out that the administration had been using when explaining trump jr.'s meeting with the russians. it's confusing. some people say too political. leon panetta is here, former chief of staff for president clinton. thanks for taking the time to be here. >> nice to be with you, neil. >> neil: what do you think of this? is it a big deal?
a lot of republicans have claimed what is good for the goose, you know the drill, good for the gander. what do you think? >> you know, i think the best thing here is to let the committees that are going to be investigating this issue proceed, investigate it and report what is involved here. i suspect that bob mueller and special counsel is also looking at the dossier and the facts associated with that. so it's obviously a very confusing issue. i think the best thing is to let the committees do their work the and find out the facts. >> neil: were you familiar with any of this in your day with the administration that this was going on or the russians were trying to exert some influence here for a uranium deal that would extract some concessions? >> no, i wasn't. i wasn't aware of any of that. >> neil: okay. so when it comes to the possibility or the charges as you know, sir, that there were
bribes and influence through the clinton initiative or make payments, way too early for you to know whether that was going on or not? >> neil: yeah, i think it is important for the american people to allow congress, as i said and bob mueller both to really be able to look at these issues and determine exactly what is involved. everybody these days as the president himself said, politics is a pretty ugly business. there's a lot of negative research that goes on, a lot of attacks that go back and forth. i wish politics were better. i wish they would focus instead of on cutting each other up, focus on the issues that are important to the american people. >> neil: and i don't want to belabor this, but former clinton spokesperson brian fallon said there is nothing unusual going on here. he said on cnn, opposition
research goes on all the time. wasn't that the argument that donald trump jr. made and the trump campaign later made for his meeting with some of these russians? >> yeah, you know, look -- it's hard to be shocked about the fact that campaigns engage in negative research on their opponents. that's a reality. this reminds me of the claude reigns quote from casa blanca. he was police chief and gambling all day and said he was shocked to know that there's gambling going on in the back room. in politics, both sides do negative research on their opponents and that's a reality. >> neil: it's interesting the timing of this. because senators corker and flake who have been critics of the president, said that foreign
leaders are scared of him. if a lot of this was going on in the prior administration, they should be plenty scared about that, right? >> you know, the fact is, neil, that i've never seen a washington as dysfunctional as it is. i've been involved in public life for five -- 50 years. the good news, i've seen it where republicans and democrats have worked together to deal with the issues facing the country. today it's awfully partisan. both sides attack each other. it's difficult to get people to sit down and really try to resolve issues and find consensus. that just means that washington is failing to deal with a lot of the issues facing the american people. by the way, didn't just happen
in this administration. i think for the last more than ten years we've had a dysfunctional washington. it's time for washington to get their act together and to govern the country. >> neil: you have seen it from so many sides as a congressman, director, chief of staff of will clinton. this issue of party squabbling and senators in-party, rarely do i see it so in the open. i'm wondering what that tells you about the environment and likely passage for passing tax cuts? >> well, that's -- i worry about the depth of divisiveness that is going on. not only in the republican parties. generally with regards to the
partisanship that we see in washington. the fact is, the last election, is the story of a lot of angry and frustrated people that felt that washington is not working to deal with their concerns. well, we have a situation where congress has done very little other than approving a supreme court justice. they have not dealt with healthcare, they have not dealt with immigration reform. they have not dealt with tax reform. they have not dealt with the budget. unless they begin to roll up their sleeves and start to deliver on these issues, you're going to have a very angry and frustrated constituency in the next election. >> neil: i'm wondering when it comes to the tax cut thing and whether it ever materialized, looks like it will depend on republicans voting for it much as it looked like on the healthcare front it was only democrats voting for it is. that the way it is now? >> well, it shouldn't be that
way. i think that's a lousy way to govern. is to simply try to get your own party to jam something through the congress. that's a lousy way to legislate. what you need to do frankly is to sit down in a room and be able to find consensus. because we do need tax reform in this country. we do need our healthcare system improved. we do need frankly comprehensive immigration reform. we need funding for infrastructure in this country. all of those should be bipartisan issues. frankly both sides ought to be willing to sit down to negotiate and to come up with and approach that can pass the house and the senate and be signed into law. that's what governing is all about. that's what our democracy is supposed to be about. it's not supposed to be about one party just pounding their shoe on the table or the other party pounding their shoe on the table.
they're elected to go back to washington to govern. that's what they should do. >> neil: as a former chief of staff, you probably heard and read about the dust-up that john kelly, the four star general is getting, over his recollection of congresswoman's statement and whether he should apologize to this congresswoman for maybe misrepresenting that. it gets back to how a president conveys sympathies to a spouse that lost a loved one in battle. the president said he said nothing disrespectful or wrong to this woman. what do you think? >> well, i've been very disappointed with the back and forth on this issue. i'll tell you why. because the main focus ought to be on our very brave and courageous young men and women in uniform that are willing to put their lives on the line.
when they lose their lives, it ought to be on those families who basically suffer probably the most terrible sacrifice that anymore family can suffer. that's what we ought to be focusing on. as to how condolences are delivered or who said what, i frankly think that both sides ought to put this issue aside and focus on the important thing, which is how do we prevent the kind of wars that are going to take the lives of more americans in the future. >> neil: north korea, many critics including republican senator flake and corker have faulted the president for heightening the tensions and maybe making matters worse. of course, his response has always been they're pretty bad as it is and that's the result of sort of the normal way we go about negotiating under republican and democratic administrations. he's going to change that. what do you think of that?
>> well, this has been a very difficult issue that this country has struggled with going back to the end of the korean war. and the fact is there's a lot of responsibility and blame to go around for all sides in the failure to confront this issue. but the fact right now is that we're dealing with a north korea that is very close to developing an icbm. if they can develop a miniaturized nuclear weapon, they are a direct threat to our national security. that's the important issue. so i think it's important for frankly the president and his national security team -- it's a national security team that i have a lot of admiration for. they're a good team. but there's no easy military solution here.
any military solution involves a serious risk that hundreds of thousands of lives would be lost in seoul and south korea and perhaps a nuclear war would break out on the peninsula and in the world. so i think the key right now is to lower the volume of rhetoric going back and forth and focus on tightening the nueoose aroun north korea. building the military presence, building up japan and others and developing a strong missile shield that can protect us from any use of missiles. and also tightening the sanctions. >> neil: isn't the president doing most if not all of that, sir? >> yeah, no, i think he is. that's what he ought to continue to do. because frankly, the key right now is to squeeze north korea so that they understand that the only option for them is to be
willing to sit down and try to negotiate a resolution. >> neil: but we've been squeezing them for decades. >> it's not going to happen -- >> neil: under several administrations, right? >> look, neil, it's not going to happen with talk. and words. that's not going to make it happen. north korean leader is not going to be moved by the president's words. and the president isn't going to be moved by the north korean's words. they can say whatever the hell they want. the reality is, can the united states build up our defenses, build up our protection, build up our covert and overt capabilities and squeeze on the sanctions to impact the north korean economy so that they are forced to ultimately sit down and negotiate. that is an option that we have to continue to try to press on because frankly it's the one way ultimately to deal with this short of war.
>> neil: if you don't mind my going back to party politics, what's going on, sir. there's a lot of back and forth about republicans and their inability to shoot straight when it comes to coming up with a healthcare replacement. they haven't. a great division over tax cuts. they haven't materialized so far. yet it's democratics that have having the fund-raising difficulties. raising a fraction of what republicans are. there could be anywhere from 25 to 125 going for the next democratic presidential nomination. what is going on with your party? >> well, i think we can ask that question about both parties. i think there's a lot of concern in this country about whether or not the republicans and the democrats are really going to be able to govern our country. as i said, that hasn't happened for a long time. so there's a lot of disappointment. a lot of disappointment with the republicans that are very
divided, a lot of disappointment with the democrats that sometimes don't come up with alternatives to the very issues that we talked about. most important there's an unwillingness to be able to sit down and work together. look, i commend lamar alexander and patty murray for trying to sit down and try to do something on healthcare. the president initially supported that and backed away from it. well, you know, very frankly, both sides need to work together on these issues. tax reform ought to be something supported by both republicans and democrats. the time has come for both of them to work out that kind of approach. >> neil: i'd be remiss if i didn't ping-pong you again. back to north korea. the president did sort of tease about whether or not he was going to visit the demilitarized zone. it's not on the schedule. i want you to react to this.
>> the dmz, yes or now are you going? >> i'd rather not say. you'll be surprised. >> neil: you think he should go? >> well, you know, this is one of those things where i think he ought to ask his key military types, his intelligence types as to what kind of signal would that send to north korea and could it be incendiary in any way. this situation is tense enough. that tension, does it need to be heightened. >> neil: but every president -- i guess every president since ronald reagan has, right? so what would be the big deal if he did? >> well, past presidents have done this, but you'll admit that most of them have done it when the tensions have not been as high as they are today. so i'm just asking the president, take your time, talk
to the key people, get their advice before you decide to do it. >> neil: do you, when you see washington today and the environment today, is this just the way it's always going to be? and that whoever is best and working in that system he work that system and maybe it is trump's approach to fight fire with fire? >> well, i think that's a lousy way to govern. i don't think it has to be that way. i think the reality is that the president can exercise the leadership necessary to try to get both sides to the table. try to resolve these issues. they've got to restore and element of trust. you know, throughout my time in the congress as a democrat i worked with republicans. tip o'neal worked with bob michael. bob dole worked with george mitche mitchell. that is the tradition of how you
govern, through compromise. ultimately we've got to get back to that. because that is how our democracy works. that's what our forefathers designed and what we need to do to resolve the issues facing this country. >> neil: you expressed some empathy, maybe some sympathy for chief of staff john kelly, even recommended a bottle of scotch to help him out with that job. did he ever say he would take you up on that offer? >> if i know john, he was my military aide. we went on a lot of trips abroad. i have to tell you, both of us shared a glass of something. you know, he said he likes whiskey more than scotch. i'll let him decide what he wants to drink. but he needs a good stiff drink at the end of the day. >> neil: no matter who is serving. a very tough job.
leon panetta, thanks very much. >> nice to talk with you. >> neil: former cia director, leon panetta. meantime, president trump is addressing this gop rift that is much adieu about nothing. anyone concerned about tax cuts? he addressed that as well after this. i was a good soldier. i had purpose and i loved it. you never told me you were a hero. you are my hammer out there. don't let these young guys see you fold. ♪ i'm only human ♪ i make mistakes get down! ♪ i'm only human ♪ it's all it takes ♪ don't put the blame on me thank you for looking after my son. we're brothers. we look after each other. thank you for your service. rated r. in theaters friday.
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insurance companies to help provide resources for those that couldn't afford it to get health care. a lot going on here. i have tom dupree here with me. i don't want to unload it on you. you can't talk about it. but what a judge is saying here, he's within his rights to do this. of course, this is going to be appealed again and again and again. what is your sense of this? >> my sense of this, it sounds not having read the decision, the judge is giving time for the parties to work something out here. the president basically put the ball in congress' court by saying that you need to address this. if you want the system to work, you need to fix it. sounds like the judge is saying, look, i'm not going to order the administration to do one thing or the other. we're going to take a step back and see if things can be worked out. >> neil: thanks, tom. the president is in dallas, texas right now. he's addressing harvey relief and how it's going.
also will be at a fund raiser event later this evening. tom, i do want to also go into charges republicans have that they're being stopped at every phase by the fbi, department of justice, supposedly stonewalling their investigation into this anti-trump dossier that democrats were supposedly collecting on donald trump. i was immediately surprised by that. this is ostensively a trump justice department. that doesn't mean it's a republican justice department. but it struck me as odd that they're encountering resistance at all. enlighten me. >> well, it strikes me as odd, to, neil. the fact is that historically the fbi has viewed itself as independent with good reason. they are divorced from the daily political back and forth. the fbi does have interests at stake. that i want to protest mess edges is and sources. seems to me the fbi could
cooperate with congress and give congress the information they need to perform their oversight function in a way that doesn't compromise the fbi's interests. send it to congress under a shield of confidentiality. but give congress the information they need. >> neil: why do they take a position saying nope, we're not going to help out? >> that's an excellent question. i suspect that in the fbi's view, this concern and still concerns in ongoing investigations and that they don't like it when congress is looking over their shoulder and demanding to see the raw evidence and the information that the fbi has collected. i think that is a fair argument in the vast majority of cases. i'm not sure how much water it holds in this case. this is obviously an extraordinary circumstance. we've seen the speaker of the house weigh-in saying that he wants to see the subpoena enforced. he thinks the fbi is stone walling and the parties need to come to the take and work something out here. >> neil: thanks, tom. i threw a lot at you. a pro as always.
thomas dupree. president trump is confident despite the back and forth and a soap opera with who is zinging whom here. they said they're going to get through this. the rift is overblown and by the way, we'll see the tax cut package pass as the president greets fans and supporters in dallas, texas. to fox business network's connell mcshane and where this is going. >> there's been a lot of zinging going on, whether it's jeff flake or bob corker. but tax reform has been the focus. the big budget vote tomorrow. president trump is making the case that the party is more together than you might think. he was interviewed but lou dobbs earlier today and will air on the fox business network this evening. here's part of what he said. >> we have actually in the republican party in a true sense, we have great unity. look at the democrats with bernie sanders that got taken
advantage of by the dnc. now you're seeing all the stuff coming out. you see what is happening. look at hillary and bernie. that's big league stuff. we have very minor. we have great unity. i was with the senate yesterday, the entire republican senate. other than two people, i tell you, there was a lot of love in that room. >> corker and flake, the senators the two people. but neil, when it comes to tax reform, the chairman of the house ways and means community, kevin brady made news today when he hinted that key changes to 401(k) plans, which the president said are off the table may not be off the table. the big picture, there's details on taxes that still need to be worked out. republicans still continue to insist that they can get this done, get a budget passed tomorrow and get tax reform passed through the house by thanksgiving. >> neil: connell, we'll see. a quick peek at wall and broad. there's some concerns that it
won't happen as connell outlined this. the dow down 112 points. that and a very strong report on housing seemed to have them freting that uh-oh, the federal reserve will speed up the interest rate hikes. the mood swings here. all right. meanwhile, let's say you're not home. amazon is coming to deliver something. no problem. we'll just open your door and leave it inside the house. that should go well. where's gary?
i thought with the holidays approaching, what will happen with christmas displays? a lot of people go to watch the displays. what happened? deidra with the latest. >> neil, as you can see, i'm standing on fifth avenue. you have a lord & taylor behind me. those storied doors opened more than a century ago. this was a temple to consumerism. 700,000 square feet, just shy of that. beautiful arch watch, italian renaissance on the inside. but late, sales are flagging as more consumers shopping online. some of the space is too much for some of these larger department stores. so it's going to rent out, lord & taylor and its canadian owner, hudson bay, going to rent out 25% to a startup. it's about seven years old.
we don't talk about it much behind uber and air b&b. but this company is worth $20 billion. it's a flexible work space. you go, rent an office space. wework makes money by charging a little more than they pay for the lease agreement. department stores are going away of the dinosaur. so as far as his comments go, you'll see more ghost malls and department stores, this is one way of an innovative solution for using space that might be too generous for the previous purpose and putting it into a business that actually is going to generate some money. so a lot of millennials seem to be working with the wework model. allows flexibility. this company has 150,000
members. it's in more than 18 countries. this right here over my shoulder is the new headquarters. back to you, neil. >> neil: deidra, thank you. fox business network. speaking of retailers, amazon is launching something called amazon key. i couldn't believe this. i thought it was a joke. but they're getting ready to deliver things straight inside your home. you're not there? no problem. they'll just get inside, leave it there. that should go just swimmingly. divamom's.com is here with us and larry glazer. this sounds wacky. but what do you think, lisa? >> i personally would not be having this in my home. i'm weary of having strangers in any house. i won't sign up for this. >> how does it work? do we know? you must have an agreement with amazon. i guess give them the key. what the heck? what is going on? >> basically what happens is that amazon, you have this key.
you -- they sell it for $245. you have a pass code. whatever -- whether the delivery man has it or delivery woman has it, they go in, put the package in and shut the door. you can time it when they want to come in. pretty soon, it won't just be for delivery people. could be for dog walkers, people delivering groceries, coming in to clean your home. amazon wants to make sure that that customer is keeping brand loyal by ordering their groceries, products through amazon and having -- basically keeping it within the retail family. not only getting your product from them but getting it delivered by the same people. >> neil: they have a lot of devices in your home already. this is an extension of that. too much of one? what do you think? >> alexa, tell amazon to stay away from my house, my kids and my dog. you can have the kids but not the dog. seriously, i think we have a love/hate relationship with
amazon. we have no privacy. in a post equifax hacking world, we have no privacy. our day that is all over the internet. for mores, it's more love than hate. amazon found this to be -- investors see this as a lackluster reaction. it will be good for the whole foods acquisition but it won't move the stock. but it's going to hurt grocery stores and going to hurt your neighborhood and community center. that's what is critical. >> neil: a lot of people worry, you can leave a note or a form outside your door if somebody is being shipped to your home so that they can leave it there. that can be risky. i understand that. but this is going a step further, isn't it? >> yes, it's definitely going a step further. not only that, but i have children. if i wasn't home, if there was a caretaker or somebody there with the kids, i don't want somebody that i don't know in my home going through my -- whether or not they're going through my
things or not, i don't want a stranger in my home. >> neil: i imagine in that case they would knock first. no guarantees of that. what do you think? >> here's what we're not talking about. the millennials and the gen z generation are transparent. they share everything online. this is an extension of that. so we may think it's completely invasi invasive. for this generation, it's not. i worked on a research study with paypal. it said that 50% of people are shopping online and mobile devices. it's about convenience for them. this is a step further. amazon prime members apply to prime for convenience. the two-day free delivery. >> neil: it's dumb. it's dumb, dumb, dumb. larry glazer, this is the cookbook thing in the twilight zone. that's what it is. it's a cookbook. >> literally you gave them the
keys to the kingdom. you let a complete strangener your house. who knows if they'll be -- >> millennials don't care. >> neil: if i was amazon, i'd say something smells good. i don't know. that might be the way the world is going. not in my house. meantime, president trump is calling that obama era deal wee modern day watergate. more after this.
>> neil: so when you hear that the fbi is still very actively investigating possible collusion with the russians in the trump campaign and possibly ignoring this, what are your thoughts? >> i think if russian is involved with trump and russia was involved with the clintons, shouldn't congress be investigating both? >> neil: and his counterpart in the house agrees. a big cheese in the congress. congressman, what the senator is arguing and you the same, this bears at least an investigation. >> that's right. don't -- remember, the context here. 20% of our uranium at deal. all the while, bill clinton getting $500,000 for a 20-minute speech and millions going to the
clinton foundation. that should have been investigated by now. but then we have this confidential informant who will come forward seen by either being released by the justice department or to a subpoena, he was an informant 1 1/2 years leading up to the board approving this deal. he's in there with bribery, racketeering. how could that deal have gone through without that information not being disclosed to congress and what about some of the board members? eric holder was one of the members of that board. i would assume he would have to know that such an investigation was going on. was that something that he disclosed? it's a questionable policy decision that was made and there were republicans in the congress at the time that complained on the policy grounds. when you undergird it with bribery and racketeers, it stinks. >> neil: hillary clinton says there's nothing there and you're making a big deal about nothing.
what do you think? >> compared to the amount of money that went into her foundation to bill during this period, how much has gone to the foundation since she lost the election? i don't think very much. why was she raking it in as secretary of state and potentially the next president but when she loses, suddenly i don't see a lot of russian backed uranium money shovelling money to her. so why? >> neil: do you have any evidence to suggest that she knew about this? >> so here's what i think we will find out with this informant. that from the very beginning when he became a confidential informant, the underground here with the uranium and the russian folks involved, there was always a focus on influencing the clintons. what form that has taken, we're going to have to find that out. that was something from the very beginning that the russian interests were doing.
>> neil: what is weird, congressman, the left or the right, donald trump or hillary clinton's folks, that the russians were sure eager to sort of involve themselves in the election. >> here's the issue, neil. i've been anti-russia my whole career unlike a lot of my friends on the other side of the aisle that became that once donald trump was elected. we're told 100,000 in facebook ads, somehow this massive intrusion. if you hold that position, fine. but then clearly you have to be concerned about the uranium one deal and the bribery and racketeering that went on. that is a more substantive intervention into our society by russia than $100,000 in facebook adds. >> neil: you find it odd you're being blocked by the justice department and the fbi on this? they're not coughing up anything. >> i don't know we're being blocked. you may hear news soon on this. hopefully -- i think so.
i hope that this individual can released. we're not going to wait around forever and a day. we see how that happens in washington. if he doesn't get released, the congress will send a subpoena. the mdas recognize if you're subpoenaed, you have to talk. >> neil: you don't always do that like at the irs. they don't always do that. >> in this case we'll be on solid ground. i think the justice department actually is working with us. all my conversations with them suggest that. so let's just reserve a little judgment, give them time. this did happen years ago. so i think they have to go back and see what the circumstances are. i'm actually optimistic that he will be released. >> neil: thanks, congressman. >> thank you. >> neil: all right. i don't know if you're traveling by air tomorrow, but there's new security screening measures in effect. i'm just warning you. we'll spell it out next. 50s right in the heart of the financial crisis,
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>> neil: get ready for whole new security measures in all u.s.-bound flights. laura ingle at j.f.k. international with the juicy details what are we looking at, laura? >> the new security measures will go into effect for all travelers entering the united states. that's american citizens and foreigners that will be noticing the new procedures taking effect before they leave their international hubs. a lot to get through. you might remember it started in march of this year in response to concerns that terrorists found ways to hide explosives in mobile electronic devices. the department of homeland security banned all electronics bigger than a smart phone in the cabins of flights from eight middle eastern and african countries. in july, new security measures
were adopted while airlines and airports were given 120 days to implement the enhanced procedures. guess what? tomorrow is the deadline. this is a broader directive and will affect a lot of people. we're talking about 105 country, 280 airports, 180 airlines, 2,100 average daily flights and 325,000 passengers daily. many of the global long haul carriers we checked in with have offered different descriptions of how they handle the screenings. some passengers will be verbally quizzed. others will fill out forms. some airlines like egypt air have announced their procedures. reactions have been mixed. >> as long as you don't discriminate, it's okay with me. >> it will be a pain for people that travel a lot. i have a small child.
i remember how easy it used to be and now we arrived at the airport three hours beforehand, before our flight, just because of all the extra security. >> neil, you know what this means, even allow more time before you head out to that flight. back to you. >> neil: incredible. thanks, laura. to tony shaffer right now, the former u.s. intelligence officer. what do you make of this? >> it's transportation theater. please. no one has ever made safer by a checklist. i've seen tsa do some experimentation where they sent out screeners in the crowd to engage. the best way to detect someone is to interact. el-al, the israelis do it well. are you a terrorist? no. i'm more of a believer that you do these sort of questionnaires by talking to folks, going out and yes, dare i say, god gave you an instinct. when the hair on your neck is
up, when you're talking to someone, that may be the time to pull them aside. 99.9% of the traveling public, not a terrorist or interested in being a terrorist. we have to recognize the screening procedure. the egypt air downing had to be on the crew servicing the airplane. other things they're trying to do on the periphery. this is not going to help. >> neil: real quickly, why not? what do they have inklings of happening? >> look, fox has reported on this. there's aspirations of another 9-11-type event where they take over multiple aircraft. i'm not disputing the intelligence is driving that direction. but i'm not convinced a checklist or trying to make the travel public wait longer to get through security will do anything to stop that sort of attack. >> neil: tony, thank you. sorry for the abbreviated time.
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