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conduct. hundreds of organizations were affected by these actions and they deserve an apology from the irs. we hope today settlement makes clear that this abuse of power will not be tolerated." peter doocy's life for us in washington, wrapping racking us on this. >> the irs apology goes out to 469 conservative groups. 41 plaintiffs in one class action suit in the 428 and the other other class action. i'm sorry reads a little bit like this. up what the irs admits that its treatment of plaintiffs during the tax-exempt determination process, including screening their applications based on their names or policy positions, subjecting those applications to heightened, determined with unnecessary to the agency's determination of their tax-exempt status." for such treatment the irs expresses its sincere apologies.
but one of the lawyers for one of the conservative groups says this apology isn't really cutting edge. he says this. "any recent so-called apology by the irs has little value. the service continues to suggest that it's targeting was really just mismanagement. this story was dismantled in our case. for taxpayers to be truly competent the irs has changed they need to be truthful about its past abuse of power." the attorney general jeff sessions is now putting into plain text the group with tea party or patriots in their name, anything about taxes, that the country is being run in their name was given extra scrutiny when applied for tax-exempt status. other groups were not. the irs commissioner who has been in charge of the irs since just after the scandal broke is still there. his five-year term is about to run out november 13th.
>> harris: peter doocy, thank you very much. our next guest believes the settlement and the apology are a good start, he says the investigation into irs targeting should be reopened. tom, good to see you on this friday. why reopen the case? what would it be about? >> it would be about the abuse of power. abuse of power mean something was done inappropriately. can we trust the last administration, the politicized justice department, and the fbi to honestly investigate the irs? i don't think you can. pretty much every document we have about the irs scandal became came up because of us and one of the key documents we found was the fbi and justice department were lurking with lois lerner irs to
prosecute the very groups the irs was suppressing. obviously the justice department and the fbi were conflicted and failing to prosecute the irs or anyone associated with it because they might had to prosecute themselves. they have to reopen and audit what went on. >> harris: the big picture and all of this has some democrats -- we had one last hour on outnumbered, saying "there were progressive groups that were targeted by the irs." that number, north of 400 conservative groups getting the apology, part of the settlement compared with a very small amount of progressive groups, what do you say about that? >> everyone knew the tea party groups are being targeted, that was the focus, the numbers were there. they did not conclude that the left was specifically targeted because it was the left but they
did conclude and the documents show as highlighted earlier, we found documents like that as well, political affiliation of the right was a reason for targeting these groups. some of them still don't have their tax-exempt status to this day. it goes deeper than this, donors were audited, if you had conservative causes you were more likely to be audited. everyone went to town against president obama's political opposition in the run up to 2012 election. what happened to the tea party into thousand 12, they were suppressed by the irs. >> harris: as i look at it down the road, when you tell me conservative donors, there was a down river of fact, a chilling effect if you will, that's a suppression of freedom in this country, isn't it? >> exactly right. i've told anyone who would listen that when the congress and the president are speaking
about irs reform and tax reform, they include stronger protections for the first amendment rights of americans who were targeted by the irs and make sure that can never happen again, take those powers away from the irs to audit people based on their political contributions, their contributions to groups that are involved in public policy. >> harris: you can say it only happens in a vacuum but it doesn't. the irs with obamacare, it has a lot of power. >> the irs was being used to intimidate people into buying obamacare. they were working to target those who hadn't taken a obamacare using confidential irs information to pressure them to take up obamacare and start buying it. the irs is a political tool for
politicians in power. we have to understand that and take that tool away because it's liable to be abused. it's been abused repeatedly over the years. i don't know how many lessons we learn before we take action. >> harris: the smoking gun, this email, what do you make of that? >> its familiar to me since we had a similar email last year that we exposed, the irs officials acknowledged they were targeting based on political affiliation. i don't understand how the justice department could overlook that, and pretend there is no there there in potential for criminal wrongdoing. >> harris: thank you very much, good to see you. new developments in the trump dossier case, it is heating up on this friday. we know hillary clinton's former campaign chairman and former dnc charwoman denied congressional investigators that they knew about any arrangement for
opposition research on donald trump. they made those statements that the research was funded in part by hillary clinton's campaign and the dnc. republicans are calling for transparency. >> there are questions i need to be answered. they are saying they didn't know about this dossier, they don't know who authorized it, they should know now. maybe they didn't know when they testified in front of congress but they should've gone back to their organizations and sites who gave the authorization for this law firm to get this dossier going? i bet they have the answer to those questions, why did they lie about it and why weren't they transparent? >> harris: democrats say what they knew is not the issue. >> i don't know what they knew but i think it is important to understand who paid for the dossier, but i don't think that's as important as what's
alleged because if what's alleged is true, that donald trump and his team are working with the russians to win the election, it doesn't matter who paid for it, we now have a national security issue on our hands with a president who could be compromised. >> harris: let's bring in mike warren, let's start right there, what do we know about the truth and not truth inside this dossier? >> we don't know much about whether these allegations are true or not. a big part of several investigations going on, both on capitol hill and in the justice department with the special counsel investigation. that is i think an open question, whether some of the allegations in the dossier -- a lot of the allegations sound like and it sounds like the clinton campaign believed that they were essentially trumped up if you pardon the phrase. trumped up charges against donald trump.
>> harris: salacious, potentially even made up is what i have read. >> exactly. enough that the clinton campaign thought this was not something they wanted to use. it didn't prevent it from getting out to several media outlets who sat on it for several months and didn't do anything with it. this dossier was out there, this salacious stuff mixed with stuff i think is there is a question about the veracity of it. >> harris: what was the turning point? the turning point where you go from "not really going to show it to anybody, and suddenly it's on fire. >> buzzfeed release the dossier after the election, an editorial decision that publication made that this was out there floating around and so here's what was being floated around. i think different news organizations can make different judgments about whether that was a good call but once it was out there, it was out there. the bigger question to me in
this, when you go back to the payment, this "washington post" order that revealed that mark elliott's was the one who was paying for this, why did the democrats lie about this? they lied pretty boldly about it, for several months until it was revealed that they didn't pay fusion gps for this dossier. >> harris: the live people are focused on right now is not whether or not they paid fusion gps but what they told congressional investigators about what was going on because if you lie to congress, that's not just offensive, it's a crime. >> absolutely, i will say this. this is the kind of thing you don't let principals know about. i don't know if that's true, i don't know if john podesta for instance made this up. or rather, lied to congress about it. i will say the timeline is also murky with debbie wasserman schultz, remember it was in the
summer, and of july i believe that she was officially moved out of her role in the dnc, we don't know exactly what they did and whether or not it was something that was kept from them so they would have that plausible deniability. i agree, that is a question that deserves more transparency, if they were lying about this. >> harris: this from the president on social media today, he says, this is the treaty put out. "it is now commonly agreed after many months of looking that there was no collusion between russia and trump. was collusion with hc." we assume that hillary clinton. >> that's the right assumption. i don't think this is over or the fact of the democrats pay for this dossier means that there is no russian collusion, that there's no connection between those two. there are some questions, apparently the fbi was interested in after reading through this dossier and through christopher steele's research. it's hard to know without the
full information that the government may know about what details in that dossier are true and what are these bogus things that are trumped up by the russians. a very important thing here is through all of these stories, whether it is what donald trump jr. was doing, meeting with russian folks in trump tower or what the clinton campaign was paying for, the russians seem to have a very deep interest and interfering in the 2016 election in any way possible and that's something that certainly deserves more attention. >> harris: that's an umbrella issue. look no farther than the former defense secretary under barack obama over whether you need to open an investigation into the situation, who paid for it, what hillary clinton in the dnc knew and when. that is a very strong statement we are learning about today. mike warren, thank you.
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>> harris: a fox news alert, president trump talked about as the house approves a budget to fast-track tax reform. the president tweeted -- the vote was so narrow. a group of 20 republicans, many from high tax states oppose the budget over a proposal to eliminate state and local tax deductions. after our meeting ended yesterday without a compromise, house ways and means chair kevin brady said he will continue to try to find a solution on this. >> lawmakers in very high tax
states, new york, new jersey, illinois, california, they'll worry because their state and local politicians are hammering them with taxes. they worry about that burden. we are working with those lawmakers to find a good way. for us, for me especially, i want people to keep more of what they earn regardless of where they live. whether it's manhattan or manhattan, kansas, let's let the people keep what they earn. >> harris: if tax cuts hang in the balance we have to find out more about that. lawmakers who voted no yesterday on the budget, new york congressman dan donovan is here, so glad you are here with us. when you vote no, sometimes you vote in a group and it's not so risky, based on principle, what was your experience?
>> they need to protect the citizens and constituents who sent us to washington to represent them. our tax code is burdensome and unfair, we need to allow people to spend more of their money than rather than the government spending it. the number one deduction used by new yorkers is state and local income tax and property tax deducted from their federal return, some something people depend on to buy a house, pay their children's tuition. >> harris: some people depend on it to live, particularly if they are so high tax, particularly in new york. everybody who comes to the table, anybody who is talking about this, they are all going to have their own issues. what makes you think you can get this issue based on what you want for your constituents? >> the president's new yorker, he understands this better than
anyone. chairman brady is right, the new york delegation met with chairman brady, to talk about various ways, we are looking to see if they can find cost-saving somewhere else. >> harris: if we put a cap on how much people can take off of their federal income tax, you are not even looking for that. >> some people are talking about it, i think we can find those cost savings elsewhere. you saw last week, there was a proposal to reduce the amount of money, now they can put $18,000 in a proposal, the president said that's off the table. 2400, excuse me. the president said that's on the table now.
>> harris: i want to point it out to everybody, if there had been two more no votes, this would not have passed. i that was a risk, you are willg to take that risk. >> chairman brady is dedicated, i think we have to do with the right way. a tax reform hasn't been done in 30 years. we have to make sure we get it right this time. >> harris: you hadn't had a whole other day to talk about the options, let's watch and i want to get your word on it. >> we want to have a big, beautiful tax cut for all 50 states, i want my middle income taxpayers, my working, blue-collar constituents who want tax relief just like my great colleagues from other
states. i would like to see a state and local tax deduction entirely but i understand we need to figure this out and there are people who want to eliminate it entirely, i will try to find common ground. >> harris: 20 of you, that's a big number. >> there's a philosophy in washington, we are being subsidized by the federal government, new york is a donor state, we only get $0.79 worth of federal aid to back or federal resources back, we are a donor state. >> harris: that's an excellent point. how tight is the clock ticking here? >> i think the ways and means committee will be working over the weekend, chairman brady is waiting for some of the proposals to see how this works out. the goal here is to protect the
constituents i represent. reduce the deficit of our country, not increase the deficit. at the same time, make sure those hardworking men and women who live in new york can take home more of their hard-earned money. >> harris: i think it's helpful for americans to hear you say that 79 sent dollar match, they may not understand. they know it's an expensive place to live and most of the population here is not making a lot of money. >> new yorkers on a aren't afrd to pay their fair share, they just don't want to pay more than their fair share. >> harris: have answered the questions or if you will do even more conspiracy theories? that depends on who you ask when it comes to releasing nearly 3,000 documents about the investigation into john f. kennedy's assassination. the collection is not complete, some records held back, we will talk about that. ahead of the president's visit to south korea, jim james matts meeting with u.s. service members there today.
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>> we've got one other thing we have to do. are you entering this place freely and voluntarily? counsel, do you attest your client is entering freely and voluntarily? the court will accept the plea agreement. the terms of the plea agreement, do you prefer the court to read them? the state is entering, the defendant will be pleading guilty to the charge of reckless driving, there is an infraction we will deal with at a later
time. the defendant will pay a fine of $250, the defendant will pay the standard court costs. the defendant will make a $250 donation. the senate must complete the dui school and all recommended treatment. the defendant must perform 50 hours of community service. the defendant will attend one session or complete one online session that must be completed within 50 days. his car will be immobilized for a period of ten days. the defendant will have no possession or consumption of alcohol, nonprescribed drugs or substances. does the defendant have a valid
prescription of drugs or substances, the defendant must show proof of those prescriptions in the first 30 days of reporting. the defendant has a continuing obligation to perform while on probation. the defendant will complete all conditions of probation within 30 days before the end of probation. mr. woods has successfully completed community service and also completed dui school and the recommended treatment. he has completed the substance abuse evaluation and treatment. mr. woods may travel without restrictions with notice to probation of travel out of country. mr. woods, it's important that you understand, this particular plea agreement has no jail time on it. if you violate your probation in any significant way i could
there is no other matters? anything else? >> no, thank you. >> harris: that is golfer tiger woods there, we were waiting to see if you would see more than a few words. he has pleaded guilty to reckless driving for an infraction back in may, it allowed him to avoid trial. there was a long list of things he had to do. let's go to phil keating who is live outside the courthouse. >> tiger woods arrived here roughly 20 minutes ago they briefly watch from the car right into the front door of the courthouse. down the hallway and now they are in the courtroom proper. as you heard, he pled guilty to careless driving or reckless driving and the court is waiving the dui, shelving it for 12 months. if he meets all of the
requirements that the judge outlined, community service, pay the fines, go to dui school, contribute money to crime victims fund, he will have the dui charge completely expunged from his record. if he screws up or gets in trouble anytime between now and 12 months from now, the dui can come right on back and it will have to go to trial. all of this is part of the diversion program instituted four years ago in palm beach county, about 2500 first-time dui offenders have actually gone through this program, the district attorney or state attorney is very happy with the program and how it works. tiger woods will commence immediately to signing up for his community service and paying those fines just two nights ago he was in los angeles enjoying
game two of the world the series. there was some speculation he may try to have his attorney enter this plea for him today in consultation with the state attorney, the prosecutor as well as his defense attorney appears they decided to show up in public. tiger woods did not answer any questions shouted at him as he walked from his suv to the courthouse, it is unclear if you will do the same thing as he leaves the courthouse in the matter of minutes. the whole hearing pretty much over and done within 10 minutes. >> harris: this allows him to avoid trial, the judge did say it, look, there is no jail time on the table right now but if i see you again, if there's a violation of this, jail will be added to the table. i want to remind everybody what happened back in may, police pulled him over and said he couldn't recall where he was going, he didn't know if he was going to l.a., where he was going. five drugs, no alcohol in his
system, generic forms of vicodin and xanax were among them. just to remind everybody what happened. let's go back to phil, we may see tiger. >> reporter: tiger, anything to say about this plea agreement? >> harris: tiger woods pleading to deny guilty to reckless driving. that was our opportunity to see if he would say anything further and he did not, we will move on. a warning from defense secretary james mattis during a visit to the demilitarized zone between north and south korea, he is there today while emphasizing the u.s. is looking for a diplomatic solution to north korea and their madman over there, he says the rogue nation continues to build up its nuclear arsenal and it's becoming a major threat to world peace.
>> behind me to the north, and impressive regime that shackles its people, denying their freedom, their welfare, and their human dignity and pursuit of nuclear weapons and the means of delivery in order to threaten others with catastrophe. >> harris: the number of registered voters who see rogue nations is the greatest threat to the united states, that number has nearly tripled in less than a year. the poll also finds worries about a nuclear attack on the u.s. have jumped dramatically from 10% to 17%. a fox news contributor, he is also the author of warrior diplomat. i want to start with the visit from mattis and the significance of going there ahead of the president.
>> both secretary of defense mattis and general dunford are at today, i think they are communicating that time is not on our side, that the north korean capability will continue to develop, they will be able to actually miniaturize a nuclear warhead, put it on an icbm, have it reenter and strike the united states, but importantly they are going to be able to have multiple missiles, they are going to get them on mobile launchers. they just tested up solid fuel engine which means they no longer need to fuel it up on the launchpad and they can launch faster. time is not on our side here and while at the same time they are setting the stage for the president to come to the region, the message i think is really much more focused on china. the chinese president had a massive consolidation of power, the chinese party congress,
while on the one hand they have agreed to u.n. sanctions, they've ordered their banking system to stop doing business with north korea, we need to see those sanctions actually enforced. the chinese are very good at doing what we want to hear publicly and then backing off privately when we shift our attention so i think the president is going to have to deliver a very strong message. >> harris: you are talking about both of them, i would imagine a visual aid, seeing such powerful leadership doesn't hurt you before you put your commander in commander-in-chief in that zone, not just for china but for everybody. >> that's right, that's also a preview of our operational plans, i'm hoping president trump will go, i think that sends a fantastic message to our 30 30,000 soldiers. and to the entire region that this is front and center on his
mind, that we will not stand for kim jong un to have his finger on an icbm that can strike the united states, it just won't happen. >> harris: they've called the green berets in the navy seals the tip of the spear. thank you for your service and being with us on friday to get through all this north korea talk, thank you. she's no stranger to controversy but hillary clinton's jurors seem to have a particularly bad week, two new investigations into her time as secretary of state. is clint and target or the cause of her own problems? the power panel will sit down next to me and weigh in. and this wrestling ticket... which you still owe me for. seriously? $25 i didn't even want to go. ahhh, your diary. "mom says it is totally natural..." $25 is nothing.
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the g.o.p. also looked into why former president barack obama's justice department failed to prosecute secretary clinton for her use of a private email server while she was secretary of state. we learned her campaign fund in that infamous trump dossier and that clinton may have known about it, here is her former campaign spokesperson. >> i don't know. i haven't spoken to her. the degree of exactly what she knew is beyond my knowledge. >> harris: for more on all of this, let's bring in today's power panel. back from the "outnumbered" couch, surprise she can still lift an arm. former state department spokesperson marie harf. you rolled her eyes when she said that. >> i need to stop rolling my eyes on air. >> harris: they are beautiful. my point is, you rolled them because i am thinking "he didn't defend her enough for you?"
>> i said earlier, i am not convinced hillary clinton or knew that the money was going to this. these campaigns were not run particularly well. i think there's a good chance they actually didn't know which is also problematic. the bigger story this week was hillary clinton had a bad week, it doesn't really matter. she is not the future of the democratic party, i have said that multiple times. i want to hear what he has to say on this. if i were a republican voter, i would rather republicans in congress trying to get their conservative agenda past and not just investigating future candidates. >> we wonder why people still question why hillary clinton lost. the fact that we still are talking about are always wanting to play by different rules, very questionable actions as secretary of state, people wonder why americans didn't vote for her for president.
it seems pretty obvious. >> harris: this was also an administration, the obama administration. we are getting reports that the president knew the fbi was looking into things having to do with hillary clinton, the dnc, this dossier, you can widen it out to the informant case. there is a bigger issue than just hillary clinton. >> there are plenty of things that can be investigated and there are implications we will have to deal with for a long time. we are not talking about the great wings donald trump has done, the house and the senate passed a budget bill that moves us one step closer to tax cuts, this has been a good week for president trump. >> harris: let's stick with that, we had a republican congressman on who was here moments ago, 1 of 20 who voted against the budget yesterday. i'm sure democrats are salivating. they were two shy, i asked if
they voted in a block which would've meant it was a hedge bet but they didn't. it could have fallen on any one of their boats. >> we have the votes. it's the old great football lin line, winning by more than one is just running up the score. we are now on to tax cuts and americans are going to benefit from a stronger economy, we saw 3.1% growth which is outstanding. more people are going to have more money in their pockets to be able to invest and spend on their families. >> i still think the republican caucus may have trouble getting the tax plan through, there is still not not an agreement on certain aspects different members of the caucus want and i don't think this is going to be quite as easy as some people think. could be much more difficult. >> big changes never easy. >> we will do it by the end of the year.
>> harris: democrats still have to work on their message, i think it was a mouthful that you said, hillary clinton is not the future of the party. outside of joe manchin, there might be some that want to bring her in for 2018. >> i have a lot of friends running for office, a lot of people working for these candidates across the country, i think people are looking to the future of the democratic party >> which is joe biden. >> god bless joe biden. >> harris: i love hockey, that's what we call "getting chippy" ." >> harris: should classes on american patriotism be mandatory for students? one college says yes.
>> i'm dana perino, we are awaiting the white house briefing set to start in our hour, we will bring that to you live. have you seen the newly released jfk fbi files? we are wondering why one of the deposition documents simply costs off if the lawyer asked if the cia was involved in kennedy's assassination. will the g.o.p. change their 401(k) and their tax proposal? we will tell you the latest on "the daily briefing."
>> harris: athletes across america are taking a knee during the national anthem, some of them and while that happens, one missouri college is offering a new mandatory class about patriotism. the college of the ozarks is requiring all first-year students to enroll in it. students learn modern military customs, american politics, flag protocol and procedures. >> patriotic education is not inherited, it must be taught, it must be modeled, it must be emphasized. >> harris: we are back with our power panel. david, marie, what do you think? >> i think that what i really want our high school and college students to learn of his basic civics and how our government works. there are these terrible statistics about how few americans can name the three branches of government for example. >> harris: my 10-year-old can. >> your 10-year-old is very smart.
we don't have a basic working knowledge in this country at many levels of how this whole government works and how we can work to make it better. i hope this class also includes a big section on the first amendment, on freedom of expression and freedom of speech while they are discussing patriotism. it was put first for a reason. >> harris: you ought to be hoping that for other college campuses. >> we should be teaching patriotism. two, college, you get to pick which college you go to. if you don't like the curriculum, don't go there. three, marie added, what i hope is in the course are tax cuts and not paying high taxes and hopefully that will be part of it. go donald trump in passing tax cuts. >> i can understand why it's taking criticism, it sounds like something that if not done very carefully in the right way could veer off course.
>> harris: learning to salute the flag could veer off course? >> if it's not done properly. patriotism and not just about saying your country is great. it's about looking -- not me finish my sentence. it's about looking at your country, at the good and the bad and making it better. >> harris: david and marie, thank you, we will be right bac back. well watch this. i pop that in there. press brew. that's it. so rich. i love it. that's why you should be a keurig man! full-bodied. are you sure you're describing the coffee and not me? >> tech: don't wait for a chip like this to crack your whole windshield. with safelite's exclusive resin, you get a strong repair that you can trust. plus, with most insurance a safelite repair is no cost to you. >> customer: really?! >> singers: safelite repair, safelite replace.
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>> harris: it has been a very busy news filled we could, glad that you spend it with us. have a wonderful blessed weekend. i am harris. here is dana. >> dana: fox news alert as we await the white house briefing. there is action on the other side of pennsylvania avenue, gearing up for a big battle on tax reform. hello, everyone, i am dana perino, and this is "the daily briefing" ." republicans clearing one major hurdle bypassing a budget, but now they have to find a way to pay for all the text because they are promising. as a president trump looks for a key victory in. mike emanuel is live on capitol hill, what are some of the targeted dates ahead? >> well, congress must get moving in order to make this, the tax package will be unveiled on it next wednesday, november 1