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we'll be back monday for more special report. ♪ [ music playing ] ♪ >> we have some breaking news for you tonight. moments ago byron york reporting that we are now learning some more about who funded some of the early opposition research against republicans and that was handled by fusion gps. lawyers for the conservative publicligation the washington freebee condition informed the house intelligence committee friday that some of that funding came from the beacon. we'll have more on that in just a moment. let's go back now. you remember of course that fusion gps took the fifth when they were questioned by congress about their funding and their clients. we know that the latter the part of the research steve cishek, which resulted in the hiring of former mi6 operative christopher
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steele and that subsequent dossier were paid for by the clinton campaign with money that was facility erred through a dc lawyer. the fbi has also been able to keep their connection to fusion gps concealed in the name of protecting the ongoing mueller investigation. the washington journal has called for robert mueller to re sign as special counsel of the russia investigation. they argue he ran the fbi for ten years and if the investigation turns to the interactions with fusion gps and what they may or may not have known about the efforts to use russian intel to dig up dirt against the u.s. president donald trump there's questions about whether or not robert mueller can be impartial on this case. trace gal her on a very busy night joins us with the back story. high trace. >> high martha. the bank records are key because they can layout exactly who was pay for what and when. byron york is now the reporting
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that the washington freebee condition which is a conservative publication in initially hired fusion gps to condition uncover dirt on the business dealings of then candidate donald trump. when trump became the nam knee the freebee condition no long erring fusion gg and the firm was hired by mark elias a lawyer representing the clinton campaign. that's when fusion hired christopher steele, the former brit it's intelligence officer who made the dossier that were widely discredited. and the fbi also reportedly paid for parts of the dossier though the fbi won't reveal its connections to gps saying it's protecting the integrity of the investigation by the robert mueller. now they're calling for mueller to step away from the investigation probe questioning whether his ten years at the fbi would make it impossible for mueller to remain impartial.
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then the democratic denials, hillary clinton chair woman debi becauser man schultz told congress al's they had no to pay for opposition research on donald trump. podesta and becauser man schultz made those statements. current party chair says he didn't know about the dossier until a few days ago, explaining it this way. we knew we were paying for opposition research at the dnc but we did not ask questions about who they're hiring in the context of doing their research. the bank records may just be the tip of the iceberg. in fact the latest headline in the wall street journal is the fusion gps bombshells have just begun to drop. >> trace, thank you very much. michael caputo wrote a piece
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back in april of 2015 raising questions about the uranium one deal and the clintons and a former dnc advisor who worked on the clinton campaign join me to go through the latest. michael your reaction to the news that the washington freebee condition in participated for some of the opposition research against gop candidates and the dates on that were from fall of 2015 through spinning of 2016. >> i'm kind of shocked actually. frankly, that just means my return calls to the washington freebee condition will go unanswered from here forward. i think that seems really out of character for a washington media organization. but you know we're looking at a very different product that was put together after the washington freebee condition gave up the research and handed it off to the clinton campaign and the democratic national committee. it's only then, actually weeks after they starting funding, is
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the democrats had fusion gps hire a british spy who talked to russian spice who gave the british spy russian intelligence information to give back to the clinton campaign and the dnc. that smells a lot like collusion to me. >> what we don't know here, there's been a lot of speculation about who on the gop side paid for the early stages of this opposition research. remember, obviously as we've all claimed, all campaigns do opposition research. whether or not there was any connection to any of the other candidates or any of their campaigns we don't know yet. we watched how the money was funneled through on the dnc side and clinton side through mark elias, the attorney. we don't know what the case was in terms of who was generating, who was the client and whether or not it was just the washington freebee condition and who they were looking for and whether or not they only used sort of the domestic auspices of fusion gps to get that
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opposition research. sack what changed in the game after that was the sort of acquisition of knowledge and bringing on board michael steal who was british and who had connections to the kremlin. >> well i mean look, whether it's the republicans who paid for the dossier, whether it's the democrats who paid for the dossier or whether it was big bird who paid for the dossier what matters is the consent of the dossier and the leads in which reporters and investigators are able to follow or not. that's simply what it is. it is a document for investigators to be able to follow. some of it may be rumor, some of it may be true. it is not correct to say that large swaths of it have been discredited. large parts have not been verified but it doesn't mean it's completely worthless. underlying premise of the dossier is that the russians helped donald trump get elected. which is exactly what donald trump's own director has said. michael until.
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>> i'll tell you first of all we don't know that there was a republican at the nexus of this research steve cishek. we've only heard that through leaks for organizations like cnn. people talk about it like it's a truism, we don't. i first started getting calls from reporters about this dossier in may of 2016, which apparently is a month after the democrats took it over. so from my perspective we're looking at a document that also has precipitated a legal complaint by a watchdog group that this was funded and hidden by the clinton campaign and the dnc. so this is not the innocent piece of research that you're trying to say there, sir. there's a lot more to this. we need hearings to find out what really went on. >> one of the other big questions is the fbi and the why it is that there's been some sort of effort in some ways to protect fusion gps. they pled the fifth when they went before congress.
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congress wants to know why they can't get their hands on the information they asked. for they have a deadline by monday morning by which they want to see the list of clients that they worked for through the bank records of fusion gps. zak i understand what you're the getting at about whether or not it's been verified. but i guess a lot of people want to know whether or not there was a concerted effort on the part of democrats and even some involvement by the fbi potentially to find dirt on this candidate and to influence the united states election in that way. >> the purpose of fusion gps was to expose the collusion by the trump campaign and the russian government. that was the purpose of it. it was not to find dirt on donald trump. it was to expose potential collusion between the campaign and the russian government. that is not collusion with the democrats. and i think it is pretty outrageous to suggest that the fbi is doing something untoward.
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what they are doing are following leads. of course they're gonna protect their sources and their leads and not allow partisan republican i can hakz to get in the way of their investigation. maybe the dossier is not true, maybe it is, but there are a bunch of leads brought by sources that may have knowledge of this. so it makes sense. >> yeah, but if the -- michael i want you to comment on this, if it turns out that that dossier was used as a substance for the investigation that was opened, unmasking that was done of members of the clinton campaign team, it raises the kinds of questions that i brought up, whether or not there was a concerted effort on the part of these parties to find a way to undermine the trump campaign, michael. >> no question. in fact i've been informed by sources close to the intelligence community that i myself was unmasked because of this dossier. i've been told it's not just 100 trump associates or hundreds it's over 1000 that were unmasked, a lot of it due to the
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claims that were made in this dossier. i know some of the people who were used as sources in this dossier. it's a caricature of intelligence. somehow or another this cartoon has been driving investigation into people like me and my friends and the president of the united states. this is a travesty. by the way the chairman of the campaign and the chairman of the dnc most definitely knew about this and there is no way they weren't lying when they said they didn't. >> if you were getting unmasked or being looked at by the fbi maybe you the shouldn't be having such weird conversations with potential foreigners. >> maybe your people shouldn't be breaking the law. >> this is a guy who used to work for vladimir putin. [ laughter ] >> this is coming back on you people. this is all a bogus investigation. it's time for thank you guys to lawyer up. >> you are a russian stooge who used to work for vladimir putin and it is becoming back. >> michael respond to that.
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>> i'm sorry? >> listen, you sit here and call me a russian stooge. i served in the american military. i served my country. i'm tired of accusations. i never worked for vladimir putin. you people on the democrat side are so confused by your talking points that you just lie through your teeth. you accuse me of working for putin on national television, you better get a lawyer, buddy. >> hold on one second, guys. hold that thought. i have a statement here from the washington freebee condition. we want to read some of it. it's rather long. let's see what we can share with you and where the important parts in this are. since the launch in february 2012 the washington freebee condition has conducted research. in that capacity during the 2016 election cycle we retained fusion gps to provide research on multiple candidates just as
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we retained other firms to help us research the hillary clinton. based on public sources and none of the work product that the freebee condition receives was in the steel dossier. the free beacon had no knowledge of nor connection to the dossier, didn't pay for the dossier and never provided for any work performed by christopher steele. nor did we have any knowledge between fusion gps and the dagen mcdowell ivanka kushner national committee and the clinton exam pain. representatives offered to answer what questions we can in the ongoing lobe. but to be clear we the stand by our reporting and do not apologize for the me goed thoughed. we the consider it our duty to not report faults hoods oral slander. that commitment has been well demonstrated. the first amendment allows for us to engage in this news gathering. you get the idea of the rest of
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that. since the beginning of this conversation and has michael caputo pointed out the suggestion that perhaps one of the candidates who was running during the primary funded this research. we don't know if this news dirs counts it or replaces. that but it appears that it might. it appears that the notion that a gop side had also invested in this research may be answered in this question that it was the washington freebee condition which is considered a conservative publication. michael before i let you go do you think that that is what we're seeing here? >> i think it is. and listening to their statement i think there's some research firms that do research for publications and news organizations. if they were looking at donald trump's business ties and his different businesses and trying to find out if there's impropriety there that's probably a legitimate use of an organization. it's when the clinton campaign
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and dnc decided to hire a met work of spies, when things went a little awry. >> the problem is under the sec regulations you are can't hire i want fashion bodies to do this kind of research. you're supposed to register who pays for this under the election rules. that looks like a problem for the democratic side. >> i have no idea what was or was not done. i didn't know about the dossier or the fusion gps until after the election. but what i do think is a potential problem if we're talking about coordination with a foreign entity is what we learned yesterday which was that trump's team was working with julian assange a russian cut out. >> working with is not actually accurate, according to the report. >> it's just another lie. >> stick to the facts. we try to stay in fact land here. what we do know about the story was that there was outrage and julian assange said i don't have them or i don't want to work with you on that.
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if i want to the put anything out i'll put it out myself. >> they attempted to catalog all of the wikileaks stolen emails from wikileaks that the russians stole from our campaign and from the dnc. that is an attempt. >> that's going to be part of the investigation. if there's more to it we'll certainly see. >> michael and zach, good to have you here. lots to go on this story. up next, remember this? >> the one thing the markets don't like is uncertainty. right now we've been told that u.s. stock futures are down nearly 500 points. >> remember that? all the doom and gloom on election night that the market was going to plummet and tank the next day? that is not at all what happened. we're going to show you the numbers and the country is on track now for a record year in terms of the dow jones industrial and growth. we'll take a look at what's
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back to you. >> would you do you futures down 500 points. >>. >> martha: wow, that sounds horrible, doesn't it? remember the dire economic outlook on election night. it was a far cry from what we heard earlier today. listen. >> the engine of the american economy is revving up and the president is ready to power in the rocket fuel through massive tax cuts and reforms. >> martha: so the commerce department announces the gdp, remember those horrible images we saw in houston, is doing a lot better than we expected especially during the time period when we have dealt with all of these hurricanes, harvey and irma in late august and early september. that withstanding the commet grew by 3% until the third quarter. the first time back-to-back 3% in four years. i knew it had a four in it. that is not all the dow jones industrials up for 7 straight weeks, closing at 23434 up 828%
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since president trump was elected. you saw the eve of that election the dire predictions. factually, numbers don't lie. and that is not the case. i mean the numbers so far are pretty good. there are some things to talk about. chris stirewalt and jerry willis. welcome to you. before we get to the economy, chris, i want your thoughts on the breaking news that we reported, that the washington free dee condition's involvement in purchasing opposition research in the early stages of the investigation into all of these candidates, it seems and also donald trump in particular. >> look matthew contanety is a great analyst and thinker. there's great stuff they have produced overtime. you don't buy private investigator firms, news outlets don't pay them to dig up dirt on campaigns. that's why we hire us. that's what we do.
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i think nick this does not close the door on who another republican donor could be, but the freebee condition is attached to the reince priebus donor choose so we may be getting closer to the ultimate question of who hired fusion gps. but fusion gps is stinky because they have long been attached to, affiliated with the kremlin affiliated folks. they're the ones who tried to roll back the sanctions against putin, they've done parole wet work for the kremlin. >>. >> martha: they worked to eliminate the act in order to release a lot of kremlin cronies and sanctions that don't like what went along with it and to push back on a guess on our show. it's possible the washington freebee condition is sort of the mark elias on the other side. this is the entity perhaps that the purchase of this opposition research was funneled through at the behest of perhaps other donors and other people. we know what we know so far.
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>> martha, in terms of the markets and what goes on in the economy, is that the markets never steam to take a hit from any of these news. >> no. >> in washington it's a big story and heads are rolling and people are upset and the market is happy to see it and they go up another 100 points and everybody feels a little richer. >> martha: we're all hyper the ventilating and the market says we have pretty good numbers today. in terms of the performance and what you see as the highs and lows here? >> i have to tell you i feel like we're at a tipping point. 3% growth. you mentioned in the intro, 3% on top of 3%. this is very good news. we thought it would be much lower than that because of the hurricanes. we're on the 50th record close for the s a&p 500 today. fabulous earnings from mile crow soft, google baked in. unemployment at a multi multi year low. you have to think that this economy is speeding up. consumer confidence at a high. things are really turning
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around. people are getting jobs, it's getting better and all of this happening as washington is about to cut each other's throats. i think actually traders in the market sort of like the fact that washington is on the sidelines. >> martha: they're yelling at each other, don't mess with our economy. >> obviously this bodies bodes well for the approximate and republican conditioned dates. >> what rachel maddow said there about hot panicky money sloshing around, that sounds like fun i go i would go where they have that sloshing around. but the dire predictions about trump hasn't come to pass. he'll start a trade war with china and pull out of that, he'll do crazy things and everything will go crazy and in fact he has mostly governed as a sort of traditional republican and that has added confidence to markets and people have responded accordingly. the question for republican now,
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two-fold, how come they're not more popular. the economy is going well. people hate them. the party's approval numbers are bad and trump's approval numbers are worse. not this doesn't make sense. if people feel good they should have better feelings about the party in power. how do you pass a tax cut and maybe you know the answer, the economy, she said we're going to poor jet fuel in it. if the economy is growing how do you convince people that might not be in their interests to jump start an economy that is ref, ref, revving. reagan passed his tax cut. >> a trillion dollars in annual debt. >> jet fuel not by a long shot when you're taking away people's 401(k) deductions, pulling money out of the markets, you can't deduct your mortgage interests, taking money away, they sound more like democrats than republicans. i think that's what the problem is. >> martha: great to see you
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both. thanks for being here tonight. this is coming up next. >> he's been given more power than any leader with the exception of now say tongue. >> the now leader, it is not just she we need to keep in check. another report praises putin's power. the president gets ready for a very important trip. our power panel. take that on next. . he's being called quote the harvey weinstein of media. that is not a label anybody wants folks. distu disturbing revelations on how the media handles the coverage of this story and of its own. >> i feel like the small thing that has happened even to harvey weinstein is the linchpin pulled
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of the pressure of the dominance in the world. what do you make of all of that? >> well martha, i think in terms of looking at north korea, russia and china it's pretty clear. what they represent is essentially an author tear ian access of three powers getting together and essentially trying to challenge u.s. global dominance and influence and the international system the united states created after world war ii. i think russia and china have been doing a lot of things to reinforce each other. the russians sell the chinese tons of oil, natural gas, minerals. the chinese are buying tremendous amounts of russian fighters, different types of military equipment. advanced air defense systems. these are three countries mutually trying to help each
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other and trying to break u.s. influence throughout the world. we have to be concerned about it. >> martha: buck, what do you think? >> i think what we see with china so far is they understand because north korea is such an emmy the meant problem for us it's been a bit of delay of tapping some of the other issues that president trump pushed to the forefront, trade imbalance, all the problems with the they have the of the intellectual property. president trump made a big play of how to challenge china on the issues of the economy. but so far we've seen that we need them for help with north korea. the incredible military threat we have with north korea is more than what was thought the previous administration. the obama waited it out. with north korea now we're telling them, look, there's not an endless amount of patience for diplomacy here. with russia it's going to be trying to find commonly ground and trying to deal with the fact
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that their hand has gotten stronger, they want to break up nato. the common ground is minimal but it can't always be aggression against them. president trump has his hands full. >> he has a lot on his plate. when you look jason chaffetz at what buck brought up in terms of russian involvement all over the middle east, the relationship in syria, the relationship with iran and turkey, it's a pretty powerful combination. >> well the paradigm has changed though. bus our leadership has changed. we have a much stronger president than we did under president obama. our allies didn't believe us, they didn't trust us or fear us. with president trump you have a dynamic personality. it keeps them on many edge because they don't note exactly what he's going to do next. the economy is roaring back to strength. the congress is funded by tens of billions of dollars increase in the military. we put the majority of our nato forces in the pacific with three carriers, and the president
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going to a sharks that's something terribly different than what president obama was going with his apiece want. you have a much stronger leader and i liken that to ronald reagan. >> martha: they haven't launched a missile in 45 days, north korea, what do you think the president's message has to be when he speaks with the leadership in japan and south korea for example? >> martha i think this is obvious. i think the president is going to basically going to pivot his for reason policy. he talked about america first, having a pragmatic really sort of for reason policy. i think he's going to focus very much on north korea. it's going to end up being north korea first. the north koreaance have been debt nating weapons since 2006, i think the north korea's right now could hit the united states with a crude nuclear weapon. the president has to focus on
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that. i think he's going to go to asia and show kim un we mean business. what be president i didn't gee, cutting them off. >> there's only so much that we can pressure the chinese when it comes to north korea. we don't want the same thing at the end of the day when it comes to the core reason rean peninsula. the chinese do not want a unified state. they will help us to i at point. it allows them to push back on some of the issues like trade. the relationship between trump and xi is at it's infancy. the table has been set that the it won't be a fake pivot to russia. what that means remains to be seen. >> he says china is helping us,
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russia is going the opposite way. we'll see. thank you very much. still to come this evening. >> because what happened to me beaver mind the scenes happens to all of us in this society. and that cannot stand, and it will not stand [ crowd noise ] . >> martha: rose mcgaw juan speaking out for the first time since her revelations against how i weinstein. the latest in a long list in resent weeks. howard kurtz is how to weigh in on how the media is handling these crises. but president trump releasing some though not all of the highly anticipated jfk files. remains rosen, who better than james rosen to talk about the ref he will have legs that we have learned so far? .
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this developing story tonight about the washington freebee condition and their funding of the early stages of the opposition research that was done into the trump campaign and apparently, according to the reports that we're hearing tonight, other gop campaigns as well in the early stages of the primary and through the beginnings of the trump candy sir after he achieved that nomination. we know that in 2016 that funding was picked up by democratic entities and was f funneled through mark elias the ndc attorney through the clinton campaign although none of them have if he is did up to having knowledge or being aware that they were funding fusion gps and leading to kremlin contacts who were digging up dirt on president trump. a lot of developments. we're going to turn how i kurtz on this breaking newts.
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host of media buzz. howrey in terms of the washington freebee condition and why they would be funding this research, what can you tell us? >> well this is an extraordinary development. just as we were getting used to the fact that it was the democrats and hillary clinton's campaign feels that funding this research that led to the dossier. this is not what journal lifts do. they dig into things, they publish them. they don't hire opposition research firms and they don't act like politicians or political operatives. this is a real blow to that publication which is small but has an important following here in washington. >> martha: yeah, they put out a statement that they basically have done that, that they do talk to opposition firms. and what was pointed out earlier in this discussion is the links of fusion gps which is a very controversial group that was started by reporter at the wall street journal but that they
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have done a lot of work on behalf of the kremlin in terms of pushing for things that the kremlin wanted, such as the repeal of the imagine in his ski act which was a sanction against vladimir putin and a lot of high wealth cron it's that were hit hard. and you know you go through the rest of this story, and you go to the point where you have the imagine in his ski act argueded in front of donald trump jr. the fusion gps is in front of all of that. when you look at everything here with the washington freebee condition pulled into the mix of this, as you're getting it all in there, what does it tell you? >> well, it tells me that you know we live in such a polarized culture now that something that is marketing itself as a news organization, look, journalists dig up dirt from sometimes
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shadowy sources all the time. to pay for it with a research firm that will controversial and secretive under cuts its credibility and makes it into a soap opera p people won't know what to believe. >> martha: you look at the story this week that the dnc paid for it. now you have this division sort of dividing line in whose -- fusion gps is getting paid by a lot of people that much we me at this of point. by the republicans early on, through the washington freebee condition which has a lot of republican donors and the like and then you sort of cross the other line, where christopher steele was brought into this. former mi6 agent with a lot of kremlin connections. that part of the story that the dnc apparently paid for in the latest information that we have, brings into question whether or not it's ethical for them to have gone over that line. paid for the research that they have? it's a thick wick he.
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>> white. what people forget it's not cricket. this sell mrashs dossier was so controversial at the time that news organizations refused to touch it except for because feed that said we don't know if it's true. other organizations were more interested in damaging certain candidates than they were that trying to report on them. >> martha: brings to mind the issue of fake news which is also in your bailiwick in terms of real journalism. >> this is pretty fake. it is not journalism. they might have found things that are true. when you hide the funding you are putting yourself beef mind a curtain and not being straight and readers and viewers on line because you've put money on the line and they don't know it. >> martha: as we know the bank records of fusion gps have been requested by congress and they gave them a deadline of monday morning at 9:00. so some of this information was
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about to start spilling out. what we usually see is people try to get ahead of it. that appears to be a bit of a friday night dump from the washington freebee condition in terms of trying to diffuse this over the weekend and get the information out tonight before it is revealed on monday or heading into next week. >> exactly what it is. >> martha: thanks for coming in how i. >> thank you martha. >> martha: more on this breaking story with james rosen when we return. for my constipation, my doctor recommended i switch laxatives. stimulant laxatives forcefully stimulate the nerves in your colon. miralax is different. it works with the water in your body unblocking your system naturally. save up to 7 dollars on miralax. see sunday's paper. i have no idea how we're going to get through this. follow me. unitedhealthcare has the people and tools to help guide you through the confusion. well that wasn't so bad at all. that's how we like it. unitedhealthcare.
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. >> martha: developing tonight learning more now about the moment that changed the nation forever. fascinating new details coming out of the newly released jfk assassination documents that were held for 25 years. chief washington correspondent james rosen has been digging through the 2800 pages no doubt since they came out. he is live in washington with what he sees is the biggest take aways tonight. good evening james. >> martha good evening to you. perhaps the best tidbit from the 2800 pages of declassified documents comes from the files of this man, james jesus angle ton. the counter intelligence chief who misled the warren commission at critical points. in a memo to j edgar hoover he related that the british
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intelligence service mi5 had learned an anonymous tip had been phoned into a reporter for the british newspaper in which the tip search told the caller to call into the embassy for big news and then hung up. the call was made according to mi5 calculations about 25 minutes before the president was shot. the cambridge reporter had never received a call of this kind before, and mi5 officials state that he is known to them as ale sound and loyal person with no security record. unfortunately this occasions generating some fake news if only because knowing what is truly clear here requires familiarity with information many reporters lack. director hoover spoke of the need to convince the public that lee harvey oswald was the real assassination and they were to regard the murder as a right
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wing k oo. the ledge jen dairy spy and spy novel lift who along with g gored done lid i organized the water gate break in. he continued to take on operational license at this missions for the agency on orders from the very top, even though most published accounts say hunt was side lined after the bay of pigs. one of hunt's sons have falsely asserted that hunt played some role in the kennedy association. the newly released hunt files provide no evidence for that. >> martha: it is fascinating. when the you look at the 25 minutes that that call was made within before the assassination attempt, in your idea, when you look at this, what do you think is sort of the most fascinating take away? what might you think might be there that people were digging for that could be in the documents that were not released
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yet? >> right at least 300 documents, probably several thousand more that have released partially and now still al wait full release, i think we're going to find in those documents as others have been saying is more evidence about lee harvey oswald's trip to mexico city in september 1963. we don't have a full accounting of everywhere he went and who he talked to. we know he visited the embassies of cuba and the soviet union. in the secret history of the kennedy assassination published in 2013, establishes in there during that trip to mexico city oswald had a brief affair with a woman that was tied to come hue any of the apparatus. there is no contradiction between believing that lee harvey oswald pulled the trigger and killed president kennedy, but there could be a conspiracy
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that money was provided to him in mexico city. >> martha: fascinating. no doubt giving question to those who want to dig into it for many years to come based on this. i want to ask you, james, in terms of this new information we got in terms of the washington free beacon being one of the sources on the gop side, the conservative side for the investigations that went into president trump in the early stages of the nomination process and after? >> it's an interesting development. i think it's gonna be seized upon by democrats perhaps to obfuscate some of the other more important facts. that's the future of this. what we know is based on the washington free beacons admission to congress until that investigators that in 2015 once donald trump started to pick up some steam in his quest for the republican nomination the washington free beacon paid this company, fusion gps to conduct some research into donald
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trump's past. obviously they weren't looking for positive information. but that effort between the washington free beacon ale condition sieve news outlet and fusion gps came to an end without anything like that dossier or the involvement of the people who created the dossier. and then fusion gps was able to get the case picked back up with someone else paying the tab, namely the hillary clinton campaign and the democratic national committee. that is when this ex british spy, christopher steele was retained and that's when work began on the so-called dossier which was filled by unverifiable charges against mr. trump which made its way into the hands of congress, then to the fbi and the was published in full rather irresponsibility by buzz feed. the democrats are going to seize on the acknowledgment by the washington free beacon that they were the first to fund fusion gps with pan effort to find information about donald trump but that's very different from the dossier effort which was
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really funded by the democrats and hillary clinton's campaign. >> martha: yeah, indeed it is. you know there was always a lot of speculation about the opposition research that was happening on the gop side because obviously a lot of republicans who were running for office were did stunned by the immediate your rick rise of now president trump as he moved his way from state to state to state t the daily caller, everyone is going to try to figure out who was the money behind the washington free beacon which donors wanted them to be the go between on this information? the daily caller is reporting that billionaire sing search who was a big supporter of marco rubio may have been one of the people who was behind this. i'm just looking at that, just crossing a moment ago. but your thoughts on that? obviously there were a lot of people who wanted to find bad information about donald trump and that is part of regular campaign life. >> we should point out that
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senator rubio himself has gone on record to say that he did nothing to commission any kind of creation of a dossier against donald trump or any kind of opposition research. he said in fact i was so desperate to beat mr. trump at the time, paraphrasing what he said, that he would have used it. but paul singer is an influential conservative donor. the washington free beacon has never disclosed who its owners are. it did shift from its founding in 2012 from being a non-profit to being a for profit organization two years later >>. >> martha: and chris stirewalt we spoke to him about the originses of the washington free beacon and the changes that have gone through. they have a bit of a battle ahead of him. they've got a lot of questions to answer in terms of why they would have been paying for this research if they continue themselves to be ale journal his stick organization. >> if i could add one point.
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cbs news paid richard nixon's ex chief of staff $100,000 for an on camera interview with wallace. checkbook journalism is nothing new. >> martha: we have to leave it there. see you next time. the . >> good evening and welcome to tucker carlson tonight. another mystery solved. less than an hour ago we finally learned who began funding of the trump dossier here in washington. an amazing and maybe not surprising tale. first the avalanche of propaganda continues here. you can tell when the democratic party's pr apparatus feels it has come up with the talking point. you're hearing the exact same phrase from every cable news hack on television, including on this show. the latest is opposition

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