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ours. what does that signal mean? set your dvrs. never miss an episode of "the five." "special report" is up next. bret, i hope you are there. >> bret: i am here. good to see you. nice show. first handoff. >> kimberly: we can't see you. where are you? >> bret: i am here. that was a takeover. the first charges are in as the special counsel announces his first indictments and a guilty plea in the investigation into russian collusion during the 2016 election. where does it go from here? this is "special report" ." good evening. welcome to washington. i'm bret baier. five months after he was appointed special counsel, robert mueller revealed his team's first guilty plea related to the russian investigation. as two former trump campaign officials pled not guilty today to a dozen counts, including
conspiracy against the united states. one of those two men is paul manafort, the president's former campaign manager and certainly one of the biggest names to be facing criminal charges. it's another, less recognizable name that could potentially pose a bigger problem for the president and his people. we have fox team coverage. john roberts looks at the reaction coming out of the oval office today and the white house. senior political analyst brit hume with the political implications and analysis. we begin with chief washington correspondent james rosen. >> good evening. this is being described by some as the worst day yet for the trump presidency. in the action here in federal court today, donald trump was far removed from the allegations and confessions. representing the first landmark in the special counsel's investigation. >> any reaction? >> a few hours after paul manafort surrendered to the fbi, he and longtime associate rick
gates appeared before magistrate judge deborah robinson in federal district court for each pleaded not guilty to 12 counts of financial crimes in an indictment unsealed by the office of special counsel robert mueller. the indictment alleged that while lobbying for ukrainian interest from 2006 through 2015, manafort and gates laundered $75 million through offshore companies and bank accounts and allegedly took steps as late as february to continue concealing billions in unreported income. >> the president donald trump was correct. there is no evidence that mr. manafort of the trump campaign colluded with the russian government. the second thing about this indictment that i find most ridiculous is the claim that maintaining offshore accounts to bring all your funds into the united states as a scheme to conceal from the united states government is ridiculous. >> manafort was released on $10 million bond, gates
5 million. new for payment if they fail to appear for court proceedings were leave their homes for any reason other than legal or medical appointments or religious worship. analysts noted the charges are unrelated to the russia collusion angle that mueller's team was originally established to investigate. >> what the special prosecutor is likely doing is putting pressure on someone he knows was at the center floor feels like was at the center of this relationship with russia. use criminal charges away to try to get cooperation from manafort. >> mueller unsealed a guilty plea entered three weeks ago by george papadopoulos, former policy advisor to the trump campaign. question by fbi agents a week after the inauguration, papadopoulos lied about the timing and circumstances under which he made contact with various foreign nationals last year, people he believed to be well-connected inside the kremlin. >> a relatively junior official so again, how much closer and brings it to the white house depends on what actually
happened. >> papadopoulos signed a summary of events that stated the defense -- the defendant described the fbi that the russians have dirt on her, meaning hillary clinton. the russians had emails of clinton. they have thousands of emails. the documents indicate the trump campaign rebuffed the effort by the russians working through papadopoulos to set up a meeting with the candidate himself. unnamed senior campaign official quoted as having emailed a colleague "we need someone to communicate dt, meaning donald trump, not doing these trips." >> to ensure mueller can wrap the investigation up quickly, the more it gets dragged out, the more you see people connected to the campaign being brought in for questioning under oath. >> i spoke this morning with someone who spoke to paul manafort on the phone twice on saturday, and as late as saturday evening, manafort didn't believe he was going to be indicted. as for his business associate rick gates, he was represented
at the arraignment today by a public defender because according to gates' attorney, he didn't receive enough advance warning about his indictment to appear with his own attorney. >> bret: james rosen outside the courthouse. thank you. president trump remained defiant today, if only on twitter. reasserting there was no collusion with russia and that the feds should instead focus their investigation on democrat democrats. chief white house correspondent john roberts joins us with the part of the story. >> good evening. from the beginning, president trump has insisted his campaign did not collude with russia to try to influence the outcome of the u.s. election. if there was collusion, and the evidence of that or even an allegation of it is yet to be revealed by the special counsel. president trump pushed back hard against any notion that the manafort-gates indictment had any trail to him or his campaign, tweeting this morning: "sorry, but this is years ago, before paul manafort was part of the trump campaign. but why aren't crooked hillary and the dems the focus????? also, there is no collusion!"
in the daily briefing, press secretary sarah sanderson not only sought to distance the white house from manafort but also downplayed his role, ignoring the fact that he was campaign chairman for three months. >> today's announcement has nothing to do with the president, has nothing to do with the president's campaign or campaign activities. paul manafort was brought in to lead the delicate process which he did and was dismissed not too long after. >> the democratic leader. >> on capitol hill, democrats wasted no time in playing connect the dots. >> what we know now is that an alleged, unregistered foreign agent was given the chairmanship of a campaign for the presidency of the united states and with it untold influence on the future president and his party. >> the white house was also aggressively distancing itself from george papadopoulos. served as an unpaid volunteer in the president's foreign policy council and attended at least one meeting with then candidate
donald trump and senator jeff sessions. the press secretary insisted papadopoulos was doing no outreach to russia at the campaign's request. >> reporter: can you explain what happened with the outreach? >> he reached out and nothing happened beyond that which i think shows one, his level of importance in the campaign in two, shows what little role he had within coordinating anything for the campaign. >> sources tell fox news the trump campaign officials were perplexed by papadopoulos' outreach to russia, that he'd been hired for his expertise and grace. sources from and with the president's teams at the white house is unconcerned by the guilty plea. evidenced by the white house, emails that led to papadopoulos' prosecution. vice chairman of the senate intelligence committee fired a warning shot today in a statement, mark warner saying "issuing pardons to any of his associates or himself would be unacceptable and result in
immediate bipartisan action by congress." white house did not rule out the possibility that the president could at some point possibly pardon one or more of the defendants in this case. sarah huckabee sanders saying it's far too early to make such a determination and that things need to play out. >> bret: john roberts live. thanks. from our analysis, we turned a senior political analyst brit hume. your thoughts. >> hi, bret. it's not a good day when your former campaign chairman, former campaign manager is indicted on federal charges. however, the good news for the trump team had for the president himself is that there is no indication these charges have anything really to do with the trump campaign. the papadopoulos matter, seemed to be more serious since this was about what he did while apparently an advisor of some stripe to the trump campaign, but it does appear from what's
in the charges and what else has been reported about papadopoulos and his attempts to establish communications between the trump campaign and rational officials is that they didn't really go anywhere. maybe there is more to know about this. maybe more will come out but considering what we are -- the expectations of many in washington, particularly those hoping something would happen, it would be devastating to the white house, that may yet, but this wasn't it. >> bret: you have covered these kinds of investigations before where prosecutors go after someone and then ideally turn that person or use them. in this case with papadopoulos, he was arrested in july and then pled guilty in october. in the motion to seal all of the information around the arrest, it said this. "premature disclosure of the fact that the defendant's arrest and the nature of the charges against him likely to be substantially prejudiced. both the defendant and the government.
defendant has indicated he's willing to cooperate with the government and its ongoing investigation into russian efforts to interfere in the 2060 presidential election." those two words, "proactive cooperator" previously has meant as much is that person possibly wearing a wire in the investigation. >> i think that's all possibly true but it's in the realm of speculation at the moment. if we are going on what we know now, and what happened today and what came out today, it would not appear to do any particularly serious damage. more may come. i would also note that we had a sudden and unexpected resignation of the head of the podesta group, john podesta's brother from his lobbying firm which we know from reporting by tucker carlson of our network
and others, was working closely with manafort during this period in question. there may be more to come on that as well. it bears watching. could have been for health reasons for all we know. it was sudden and unexpected which makes you think this is something to watch. >> bret: as always, thank you. is this the beginning or end of the mueller investigation? let me know on twitter @bretbaier. use the hashtag #specialreport or on facebook at facebook.com/bretebaiersr. at this hour, the secretaries of state and defense are testifying before a senate panel about the president's power to fight terrorism around the globe and efforts by congress to weigh in. mike emanuel is monitoring the hearing on the authorization for the use of military force. aumf. joints of the details. >> some lawmakers are saying it's time for a serious conversation about congress' role in authorizing the use of military force with the nation
facing serious threats. top trump administration officials say they do not need a new authorization. secretary of state rex tillerson and secretary of defense james mattis back on capitol hill for a late afternoon hearing before the before the foreign relations committee. >> statement of continued congressional support would be welcome. a new a umf is not legally required to address the continuing threat posed by al qaeda, the telephone, and isis. >> some lawmakers thing the authorization for the use of military force or a umf, crafted in the aftermath of 9/11, now being used in places like niger is dated. >> i feel strongly 16 years after congress authorized the 2001 so-called aumf, declaration of war against those based in afghanistan who attacked new york and the united states on 9/11, that we've gone far afield from the scope of that initial authorization. >> virginia senate turn democrat
tim kaine among those calling for lawmakers to do something about a state of war on "autopilot." >> time for congress to revisit the authorization, which is badly out of date and have a debate. >> senior statement official told fox tillerson was a of congress wants to pursue a new aumf, the trump administration would wanted to include no time constraints and no geographic restraints. the official noting that since isis strongholds are collapsing, isis fighters are moving. since 9/11, the threats have morphed from al qaeda and the taliban to isis and other affiliates or inspired groups. >> i'm concerned about the spread of isis throughout afric africa. that is going on, and that's part of it. unfortunately, the threat is growing. >> south carolina republican senator lindsey graham says, congress must be informed and has the power of the purse which shouldn't prevent others from
doing their jobs. >> congress is not set up to be military commanders. 535 members of congress don't sit down and designate what threats the nation faces. >> concerns for the administration is anything that ties the hands of the commander in chief, but arizona senator jeff flake noted not one member of the foreign relations panel was here 16 years ago and suggested it's time for them to get on the record. >> bret: mike emanuel, thanks. federal court is barring president trump from changing the government's policy on transgenders in the military. president trump announced in august he intended to reverse course on a 26 teen policy that allowed troops to serve openly as as transgender individuals. the judge said the transgender militaries military members were likely to enact their lawsuit. u.s. navy investigating whether two seal team members took the life of a green beret in mali.
jennifer griffin joins me with details. >> good evening. two members of the navy's elite seal team six are being investigated by the navy's criminal investigative service, ncis, in the death of an army special forces soldier found strangled in mali. these seals were flown out of the west african country almost immediately. a military medical examiner ruled homicide by asphyxiation killed staff sergeant logan melgar. he was a native of lubbock, texas, assigned to the third special forces group, the same unit which lost four soldiers during an attack and niger earlier this month. a veteran who had joined the army in 2012 after graduating from texas tech university, he had served two tours in afghanistan. foul play was immediately suspected in melgar's death. according to
"the new york times" which first reported the investigation. his body was found unresponsive in u.s. embassy housing on june 4. the mission of the green berets and seal team six are highly classified. seal team six is one of the world's premier counterterrorism forces. part of the pentagon's joint special operations command, the elite counterterror unit responsible for killing osama bin laden in 20 2011. ncis has opened an investigation but refused to offer more details. >> bret: we are getting reports of a new development in the benghazi investigation. >> officials tell me u.s. special operations forces captured a 46-year-old militant alleged to have been involved in the deadly attacks on the u.s. diplomatic compound and cia complex and benghazi in 2012. u.s. commandos captured the man in libya and are transporting him to the united states, not to
guantanamo bay. justice department charge the suspect in 2015. the operation was approved by president donald trump we are told. the suspect had been observed by u.s. forces is far back as december 2012 but u.s. commandos have been told by staff to grab him. >> bret: jennifer griffin live at the pentagon. thank you. more on the indictments on the guilty plea coming up with the panel. next, the corruption trial of a democratic senator nears that close and later, a renewed protest among nfl players. what made most of the teams take a knee sunday? diarrhea. i tried lifestyle changes diarrhea. and over-the-counter treatments, but my symptoms keep coming back. it turns out i have irritable bowel syndrome with diarrhea, or ibs-d. a condition that's really frustrating. that's why i talked to my doctor about viberzi... ...a different way to treat ibs-d. viberzi is a prescription medication
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apologized to all the military personnel wounded in the search for him. he spoke for about two hours on the stand as a judge decides whether he will get life in prison for abandoning his post in 2009. bergdahl says it was never his intention for anyone to get hurt in the search for him and said he knows his words can't take away their pain. after bergdahl spoke, the court heard from the wife of a soldier who was shot in the head during that search mission. the national parks service is backing off plans to pay for a project honoring the legacy of the black panther party after police groups complained to president trump. park service had pledged $98,000 to the university of california berkeley project until the fraternal order of police sent a letter to the president expressing shock that the park service would pay to on her own group associated with killing a park ranger. attorneys for bob anand is arrested today after being denied a mistrial.
david lee miller has the latest. when new jersey senator robert menendez arrived in federal court for a day 27 of his trial, his defense team was hoping for a legal long shot. they filed motions asking the judge to grant a mistrial or at least consider putting into evidence defense exhibits. the judge ruled inadmissible. menendez's lawyers accuse the judge of treating them unfairly after a defense witness was not permitted to testify last week when the judge ruled his test when he would've been hearsay. for five-page motion, the defense said "the court has denied meaningful opportunities to present a complete defense to the prosecution's case." menendez's lead attorney told the judge "we feel stifled." the prosecution responded by accusing the defense of trying to "confuse and distract the jury." the judge denied the motions. he has yet to rule on a third,
asking for an acquittal on criminal charges related to a campaign contributions menendez received. the prosecution says they were a bribe while the defense argues there was no explicit agreement of a quid pro quo between menendez and his codefendant, miami eye dr. salomon melgen. following the latest setbacks, the defense rested its case. >> after eight weeks and 50 witnesses and hundreds of documents, i and my lawyers believe this jury is ready to render a just verdict. i'm confident it will be not guilty. stick with tomorrow the judge will review the instructions he will give to the jury. those instructions could make or break the prosecution's case in light of a recent supreme court decision that narrowly defines what it takes to convict a public official of bribery. >> bret: david lee miller in newark. thank you. for more on the menendez case and other issues, we turn to the host of the new fox news at night, shannon bream.
>> good evening. >> bret: i want to talk about menendez and i want to talk about your show. eight weeks. it was kind of no-nonsense. he didn't throw up the case early based on the supreme court, bob mcdonald ruling. he didn't say it was a mistrial. the jury is going to get this case and what are your thoughts? >> it's going to be critical, the fact that the jury instructions will be such a big deal because of the case last year with former virginia governor bob mcdonald where the supreme court said if we went by some of these bribery laws, they are so vague that if you have a conversation or cup of coffee with someone on the hill, those things could get an elected official in trouble. his attorneys are going to push really hard for the jury instructions to follow that, to say it's got to be super specific. here, i am giving you this gift in return for you making this phone call. they are saying if it is vague, it can't count. those instructions will be
important. >> bret: news today. paul manafort, rick gates, papadopoulos documents the special counsel released. i know you read through them. as a lawyer, what struck you? >> it's the one thing, then nugget a lot of us have honed in on. the fact that profitable papads arrested in july, weeks before we heard of charges in early october. we see this interesting paragraph from an unsealed part of the case file that says essentially that he would cooperate with the government and its ongoing investigation into the russia 2016 election and the public disclosure of vision his initial appearance would undermine his ability as a proactive cooperative. a lot of people think that means he was helping the government during that time of his arrest until we ever learned anything about it. it's possible, speculating, was he wearing a wire? to be around the team and get information that may have been helpful for prosecuting other people. >> bret: the big show,
11:00 p.m. eastern time. what should we expect? to go tonight we're going to be covering this case in depth. we have a former federal prosecutor whose work with some of the mueller team. she's got specific opinions about the case. senator mike lee is going to join us. he's one of -- on one of the senate committees. he has said the white house and the president have been very cooperative, so we will ask him tonight about whether that continues to be the case and where those senate investigations go. >> bret: i will be there too. >> yes, bret baier will join us. we can't wait. >> bret: up next, another week and another nfl protest. this one for a very different reason. here's what some of our fox affiliates on the coverage covering. we fox 11 in los angeles. kevin spacey has apologized for rapp, publicly announcing he is
gay. in baltimore, a disciplinary trial. the officer was the driver of the police van that transported freddy gray the day he suffered deadly spinal cord injuries. live look at new york from fox 5. the big story there, hundreds of thousands lose power as a storm ripped through the northeast, wind gusts more than 70 miles per hour. downed trees and power lines. flash flooding also reported in some areas as it moves through. that's tonight's live look outside the beltway from "special report." we'll be right back best? there's one egg that gives them more of the fresh-from-the-farm flavor they love. only eggland's best. one egg with more vitamins d and e and 25% less saturated fat.
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la jeunesse reports on what made nearly an entire nfl team dropped to one knee this weekend. >> the national anthem controversy isn't over. sunday, houston texans players knelt not to protest racial injustice but remarks by team owner bob mcnair. >> we came together as a team and wanted to send a message, and that's what we decided to do. i stand by my brothers. >> the texans were not a team that knelt during the anthem previously. that changed after it was reported that mcnair said earlier this month at an owners meeting in new york "we can't have the inmates running the prison." houston players assume he was referring to them. >> this is how you view us. we get out of line. you are an inmate. >> >> the 79-year-old owner who spoke this year at the super bowl apologized saturday, saying his figure of speech was never meant to be taken
literally. "i was not referring to our players when i made a regretful comment during the owners meetings last week. i was referring to the relationship between the legal office and team owners and how they have been making significant strategic decisions of affecting the league without adequate input." >> the apology is not the atonement necessary for the grievance that has been created. mr. mcnair, you have to do more than apologize. >> i don't think the comments were right, but i do think these nfl owners have a constitutional right to protect their business and their business interests. >> as for the sense that mcnair is not alone, cowboys owner jerry jones is reportedly not happy with roger goodell's handling of the national anthem controversy. legal officials canceled a meeting scheduled for today to discuss mcnair's comments. >> bret: thank you. stocks ended the day in the red. dow lost 85. s&p 500 slid 8.
nasdaq off 2. these overseas, kim jong un regime claims it wants to develop its space program. the u.s. and its allies are not falling for it and making sure pyongyang knows what it's up against adam president trump's trip to asia. >> north korea heading for the skies but threatening war. announcing they will launch more satellites into space. the last time it claimed to have don that was in 2016. u.s. says it's a cover for the kim jong un regime to develop long-range ballistic missiles. with the aim of hitting the united states with a nuclear bomb. >> the simple fact that the north korean regime has the ability to strike the american heartland, it really changes the entire dynamic. >> south korean officials say the mountain where pyongyang detonated past nuclear devices is so destabilized if another test is conducted, it could send up a dangerous cloud of radio to
be. the u.s. remains focused. chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, general joe dunford, meeting with counterparts in hawaii. defense secretary james mattis with the south korean defense chiefs thing the u.s. is preparing military options. >> i cannot imagine in light of kim's expanded outlaw activities that we have observed over the last year or two, cannot imagine the u.s. accepting north korea's nuclear power. >> the air force sending b-2 stealth bombers over the pacific to keep the aircraft and the aircrews at a high state of readiness. as pyongyang reportedly conducted evacuation drills and blackout exercises near sensitive sites, like missile launch pads, potential targets. all this out of president trump's ater tour beginning at the end of the week. five countries.
the crisis over north korea on the top of the agenda. >> bret: thank you. we will be taking "special report" on the road next week. i will be anchoring live from asia as president trump travels to the region. it starts with a bonus 6:00 p.m. eastern edition live from tokyo and the explosive with the japanese prime minister monday. up next, the panel weighs in on the charges out of the special counsel's office. beyond our borders. catalonia's president is in brussels possibly to seek asylum after fleeing spain to avoid several charges including rebellion. spain's prime minister ordered the regional parliaments dissolution friday as they try to find a way out of the country's political crisis. an american teacher kidnapped in afghanistan's had to be in poor health brutality and spokesman said kevin king is suffering from heart and kidney problems. they will hold the u.s. government responsible if anything happens to him. king was kidnapped along with an
australian teacher outside american university in kabul more than a year ago. abductors offering a prisoner exchange. kenya's president will remain in power. the president election was expected because he faced no significant challenge after the opposition leader refused to participate, saying the election was a sham. some of the other stories beyond our borders tonight. back with the panel after this.
♪ >> president donald trump was correct. there is no evidence that mr. manafort of the trump campaign colluded with the russian government. >> today's announcement has nothing to do with the president, has nothing to do with the president's campaign war campaign activity. there are no activities or official capacity in which the trump campaign was engaged in any of these activities.
most of them took place well before the campaign ever even existed. speak of the indictments of mr. manafort and mr. gates showt the special counsel's probe is progressing in a very serious way. mueller is moving forward. >> bret: special counsel robert mueller and his team releasing the indictments today, first of paul manafort and rick gates. 12 counts in all, conspiracy against the united states, conspiracy to launder money, unregistered agent of a foreign principal, false and misleading foreign agents registration act statements, failure to file reports of foreign bank and financial accounts. the president tweeted earlier today before all of this: "sorry, but this is years ago, before paul manafort was part of the trump campaign. but why aren't crooked hillary and the dems the focus????? also, there is no collusion!"
the second part today was about george papadopoulos, who was by all accounts a volunteer on the trump campaign. there you see in a national security meeting a couple pictures from the trump instagram account. he pled guilty. october 5. misleading statements to the fbi in this investigation. i guess those were the eyebrow-raising developments today because we don't know what he's done since he was arrested in july. let's bring in the panel. steve hayes, editor-in-chief of "the weekly standard," mollie hemingway, senior editor at "the federalist" and moa lisi, executive director of the georgetown institute of politic politics. >> for people who have long reported on paul manafort's financial dealings that includes everyone from "the weekly standard" to "the new york times," today's news is mostly surprising forages being on count of money laundering and the associated violations of paperwork to go with it.
it does point to a larger bipartisan corruption problem but today's news doesn't have anything to do with the russia-trump collusion which is the thing bob mueller is supposed to be looking into. if he is supposed -- interested in people registering their work on behalf of foreign governments in the election meddling, he's going to be curious to look more into fusion gps, the firm hired by the clintons, clinton campaign and the dnc to run the russia-trump dossier operation. there will be a lot to look into there. >> bret: we should point out developing today was that tony podesta, democratic lobbyist, left his firm, that is named for him. and it's believed that he in some capacity is under investigation by the special counsel as well. perhaps along these ties to manafort and ukraine. steve, your thoughts.
>> this is the first step. we know a lot more than we did a week ago. there is still a lot we don't know. the manafort and gates indictments i think if you read all 31 pages, if you had asked us a week ago to predict based on what we had read publicly about paul manafort and his business dealings, this is pretty much what we would've set i think. most of this was in the public record, the indictment added note details. but i don't think we learned a ton. as it relates to the trump collusion narrative, anti-mccarthy writing in the national review says the indictment appears to reaffirm james comey's multiple assurances that trump is not a suspect. again, it's early. there is more to learn from a possibility papadopoulos was wearing a wire. we know he was cooperative. this is the beginning a of a long investigation, not the end. probably a good day for donald trump on balance. >> bret: here is the
white house press secretary and the president's attorney on papadopoulos. >> i would hardly call that some sort of regular advisor or, as you want to push, that he's a senior member of the staff. he was not paid by the campaign. he was a volunteer on a counsel that met one space to go i'm not concerned about it because if you look at what george papadopoulos' plea is, false statement about timing as to when he talked to somebody about russian activities. it wasn't -- these weren't activities that were illegal. >> bret: mo. >> the papadopoulos is the biggest blockbuster because while the plea was specifically for making a false statement, if you read this statement of offense, there is a lot in there
that shows collusion. it shows that he had regular engagement with russian agents. it shows he took the engagement to his supervisors at the campaign. while we heard the press secretary say that never went anywhere, i don't think that's exactly true. on august 15, according to the statement of offense, on august august 15, a campaign supervisor encouraged him to take a trip to russia for an off the record conversation about these emails that weren't even public, that the russians had. "i would encourage you in another foreign policy advisor to make the trip if it's feasible." >> that trip never took place. campaign brass turned around meetings that he was trying to set up. collusion doesn't mean do you have a preference for a different policy toward russia or willingness to talk to
russians? it means conspiring to steal an election. i think what people are walking when they've been told this narrative for year, they want evidence that trump committed treason. that he did something criminal. or wrong to steal an election, not that -- we all know trump has a different attitude toward russia than other people. >> that's not what the statement said. it said papadopoulos new the russians had tens of thousands of emails that would be damaging to hillary clinton. they offered them to papadopoulos. papadopoulos suggested that campaign that they engage with this and while the campaign said, according to the statement of offense, the candidate is not going to take this meeting. his supervisor encouraged him to go to russia to take the meeting. not to talk policy but to talk about opposition research that the russian government had on hillary clinton. >> an important distinction to be made. we have seen in the papadopoulos
indictment is a willingness to collude. that is different than collusion. if the case is collusion, i don't think we have it. i don't think it's in the papadopoulos indictment and i don't think it's in the public record. >> if people care about collusion, they should be interested in in the hiring of fusion gps to run an information campaign against the opponents. if they are interested in that, that is something you should look into. if it's just opposition research, then it's something both parties are involved in. >> one of the questions i had, why did so many people in trump world, why were they unwilling or incapable about telling the truth about contacts with russians. >> bret: its affair -- it's a fair question. it's important to point out there was not a federal
investigation of the clinton funding of fusion gps. hence they were not lying to federal investigators so they don't have charges of lying. >> reportedly looking into tony podesta. my point is the question about why so many people in trump world were incapable or unwilling to tell the truth, and the question was are they hiding collusion? if not, what are they hiding? let me finish my point for a second. the point is, could they have been something been hiding attempts to collude. because we know there were several attempts to collude, whether you're talking about cambridge analytics, papadopoulos, donald trump jr., paul manafort and his willingness to brief putting cronies. it seems there were attempts to collude but we haven't seen evidence of actual collusion. i don't think that is in the papadopoulos indictment. >> bret: there is more to talk about. we're going to talk about this after a quick break. go slow.
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still a lot of focus on what russia did on social media. you mentioned cambridge analytics. perspective, big picture. facebook said $150,000 spent over two years. both campaigns spent tens of millions of dollars on social media. 150,000, you couldn't -- michigan on 150,000. >> hopefully these hearings will give us the bigger perspective. so we can see, was a part of a broader influence campaign? what was it meant to do? we were -- were they using socid targeted ways? i think that's an important discussion. i think we will get more information about that. the bigger picture is russia is getting lost in this debate. all the finger-pointing back and forth. russia is trying to influence our elections. they've been doing it for years, not just in 2016. they have stepped up their efforts. it's dangerous.
we need to be taking a forward look at how we can prevent this in 2018 and 2020. there is too little discussion on that. >> bret: is there a feeling in democratic circles that this is going to have democratic tentacles is well beyond 20 podesta? >> i think democrats and what's been encouraging since last year, the number of folks who say an attack on one party is an attack on both. i don't think there's any question russians were trying to sow chaos in our electoral process on both sides. on the facebook point, i want to make an important note. today. yes, $150,000 goes a long way on social media. today facebook announced russian-backed content seen by 126 million americans. a third of the united states population were seeing on facebook content that came from the russians.
so it is deep. i don't think it's just a negligible buy. it's deep. >> bret: if you can sway an election with 150 grand, that's something. >> it would be something. >> bret: mollie, we don't have a lot of time but there was a hearing on aumf, authorization for military force. your thoughts. >> as james madison wrote to thomas jefferson, the brilliance of the constitution is that puts authority with congress because the executive branch is most interested in more authority. we are operating on old resolutions from 2002, far more than twice as long as the gulf of tonkin resolutions. a new authority needs to be put in place. it needs transparency. these are the problems we've seen from these old agreements. hopefully we will finally get an updated authority that's not decades-old. >> bret: and also does not tie the hands of the president to
act as he does in an executive way. >> you can have multiple authorizations of force. just because we have been operating on these two doesn't mean you couldn't have one for each theater. >> bret: we are going to talk about that, i wanted to get it in. when we come back, how it feels to be 94 years young. in situations like this, there's no time for distractions. it's not enough to think i'm ready. i need to know i'm ready. no matter what lies ahead. get a free sample at depend.com.
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special report. fair, balanced and unafraid. a lot of news these days. "the story" hosted by my colleague martha maccallum starts right now with the live handoff. >> martha: hello there, i've got it. thanks so much! busy monday, we pick up "the story" from here. good evening and welcome to "the story." breaking tonight, indictments for manafort and gates related not to the trim campaign, but to their years as lobbyists for ukraine. at the same time, another partner in those deals, tony podesta, democrat operative and brother of hillary clinton's campaign manager, shocked a lot of people today by stepping aside after his connections to manafort were revealed. what is to come there? where is the story going? is it wind it down or is it rubbing up? what about the clinton campaign's involvement? today paul manafort's attorney was to find after the court