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the video is now going viral all across twitter, including the beeps from the camera operator at the time, who just missed it. thanks for inviting us into your home tonight. that's it for the special repor report, fair, balanced, and unafraid, "the story" hosted by my friend martha maccallum starts right now. martha, timing is everything. >> martha: too bad they couldn't if he is the camera one of those people who was holding their folds on the other side of the bus, that would've been helpful. we will pick up "the story" from here. breaking tonight, after years of anemic growth, the u.s. economy is set to boom in the new year. goldman sachs has just announced that they see growth that was in the 1.5% range jumping to 4% in the new year. this is a big deal. where have i heard this before? >> we are saying 3, but i say four. >> by one? >> over the next few years. and i say there's no reason we shouldn't be able to get at some point into the future to five
and above. >> martha: that was the president when i interviewed him on day 100 back at the end of april at the white house. so now wall street seems to agree, federal reserve, at least a couple of the chiefs out there seem to agree. good evening everybody, i martha maccallum and "the story" begins with that stunning forecast tonight. while harassment cases in russia entry continue to propel the buzz fear out there. in politics, nothing tends to upstage the wallet. will that hole through as we go forward? much of this upswing feeling that the regulatory burden on them has been lifted under this administration. and also hope for those tax cuts, something that the president hinted at today. >> senate, and if they approve it, the house in the senate will get together. i will be there right in the middle of it and we will come up with a bill that will be spectacular for growth and spectacular for the people in
this country. >> martha: so will it happen? david bossi is the former deputy campaign manager for president trump, and gerri willis is with us. great to see both of you. david, let me start with you. the news has been so good on the economy, why isn't it better for president trump's approval ratings? >> i think the economy is one of the latter things that shows up. it lags of the polling. it always has. but this president has said since his campaign days that the new normal, the new obama normal of 1% stagnation, 1.5% anemic growth is going to be over when he became president of the united states, and we are now into our second quarter of 3% growth, strictly from the power of the president's hope growth and opportunity ideas, as well as his deregulatory pen that he
has put to work. now if we can get tax reform done, and it looks like we are well on our way, the economy is going to boom and he is going to be rewarded for it. >> martha: it is pretty astonishing when you look at what is happening in the market, and you do see that business optimism that is out there, clearly. but the goldman sachs report also said that they bet that it's about 80% that tax cuts get done. that leaves 20% that they don't get done and let me just play this jeff flake over the weekend. and the president are very good buddies, and here's what he had to say that got picked up on an open mic. watch this. >> if we become the party of roy moore and donald trump, we are toast. >> you are the guy that could just for fun, think how much fun it could be to be the foil. >> martha: think how much fun that would be? and then here's what the president said in his twitter this morning.
senator jeff flake, who was unelectable in arizona, was caught purposely on mike saying bad things about your favorite president. we will be a "no" on tax cuts because his political career anyway is toast, using his word words. it's definitely going to stand in the way tax form and how important is it for the economy? >> very important. the goldman sachs people say that unless you pass the tax reform you will not get 4%. it's very important, but it's not just flake standing in the way. it's also susan collins, senator johnson. two or three people know saying i'm not sure i like this plan and you know how tight it is in the senate to get this thing through. it's very hard. there are hurdles here. but i have to say, i do agree that the economy is doing very well right now, that 3% growth is fabulous, a 14% gain on the s&p 500 this year. unemployment is like a 17 year low. things are moving in the right direction but it's all predicated on getting tax cuts. >> martha: you look at
california, david. you look at some of these places where you got a lot of representatives who are saying no to this, and there is the possibility that they can put the majority in the house at risk because of this tax bill. >> these representatives from these high tax states have to really go back and talk to their mayors and their governors to try to lower their tax burden on their populations, but we need tax reform. we must have tax reform. it's been 35 years since the last time we had it. the american people deserve it. president trump has promised that, and is going to keep that promise to the american people. in these members that we were to talk about comedy senators. some of them have good points. senator johnson i believe raised a very important issue about small businesses and llcs and those pastors.
i think that's a good fix and senator johnson i hope will get to yes. it is a difference between wanting to get to yes and senators flake and others on prior issues who had no interest in doing what is right for the american people and tax reform. senator flake has to look at the state of arizona and his constituents. tax reform is something they sent him there to do, and it is something they will demand, so i hope that he will listen. >> martha: erases a real question with corker, flake, senator mccain, i want you to weigh in on this too. it's going to be a tight boat. are they going to listen to the folks at home, are they going to vote with perhaps some emotion involved in this. >> that's a very good question. i think if they could have a long-term look at this, for the people were going to be around in the senate, their incentive is to say yes to tax reform at some level but i have to tell you, it is a bitter pill for many of these representatives and blue states were people have high income. they will take a hit,
absolutely. the benefits are mostly towards corporations and businesses because at the end of the day, those of the folks who employ people and can really get the economy moving. >> martha: understates being punished for liberal leadership essentially? and basically republicans are saying we really don't care that much about the states because we never win them anyway? >> i think probably all three of us within states that are just like that. i don't think it's punishment. i think it is that this president has prioritized getting down the individual rates and cutting corporate america's taxes and whether it's small-business or medium-size business or large business. i think this president is dedicated to it. with that in mind, he wants the american economy to grow, which will raise all votes. that's the time he's trying to lift. >> martha: some of these are pretty happy with the regulations lifted even before they get the tax cut. thanks so much, great to see you both tonight. still ahead tonight, she says the obama administration ruined
her life. >> i'm a born free american woman, wife, mother and citizen, and i'm telling my government that you've forgotten your place. >> martha: but now former irs chief lois lerner says if her testimony about the tea party is released it could ruin her life. should she be protected? and was this border patrol agent stoned to death by illegal immigrants? just 36 years old. he was engaged to be married. >> only want to do is just tell people and help the world and try to make a difference. is going to be missed by a lot of people. ♪
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>> a trump administration will also secure and defend the borders of the united states. [cheers and applause] >> and, yes, we will build a great wall and yes, mexico will pay for the wall. they will pay for the wall. >> martha: president trump's campaign promise back in the spotlight as we get some brand-new details today on the vicious killing that happened on the southern border.
border patrol agent martinez was killed. his partner seriously injured when they were reportedly bashed with rocks by illegal immigrants according to the reports on this from the border patrol. friends of the 36-year-old say he was selfless and wanted to serve his country. >> he would be the type of guy to give the shirt off his back and wouldn't ask anything in return. only one to do was help people and help the world and try to make a difference. i love him. i wish him the best. >> live in dallas with what we are learning tonight about the investigation to find the killer or killers. casey. >> good evening. the u.s. border patrol union is the group that has come out and said it is likely rocks were used with this particular attack, though i've got to say the fbi will not confirm that information at all. frankly, there are varying
accounts depending on who you talk to to what exactly happened out there over the weekend. all the fbi office in el paso will say is that the border patrol agents were not shot and that they did not come under fire, but they won't elaborate further. right now the feds say they are simply focused on trying to piece together a timeline of events and actively search for suspects or witnesses. agent rogelio martinez was out on patrol in an area known as the big bend sector. officials will only say that martinez and his partner responded to activity, that's all they say, activity near interstate ten in vanhorn texas. moments later the partner called for help on the radio saying that they were both hurt. the agents were transported to an area hospital where agent martinez passed away. his partner remains in serious condition tonight. in light of this news, president trump today touted once again why he believes it's
important to secure the u.s. border with mexico, listen. >> we have to stop the massive drug flow from pouring in and my respect to the families that were so badly hurt yesterday, they were devastated. those two families were devastated. >> martinez was 36 years old and had been a border patrol agent for the last four years or so according to customs and border protection. he makes the 39th agent killed in the line of duty since 2003. our hearts and prayers certainly go out to both families tonight. >> martha: thank you very much. david turns me now, an attorney and conservative commentator, and matt bennett, cofounder of third way and former assistant to president clinton. thank you for being here today. i want to place one more sound bite that was a reaction from the president today on the issue of this border agent on the wall, watch this.
>> we talk about the wall, we will have the wall. it's part of what we are doing, we needed. that's rough territory. that's where the drugs are coming in. a lot of things are happening along the border, the southern border, and we will straighten it out. >> martha: david, what a wall have stopped this incident? >> it looks like it would have. these desolate areas along the border are typically where these agents get ambushed and now you realize that the wall was far more than a campaign gimmick by president trump, it was a critically important part of what got him elected and right now the house subcommittee on homeland security just approved $10 billion for that wall last month, including 5 billion for more agents and improvements in the legal ports of entry. that needs to get passed by the senate. perhaps something needs to get tied to daca, the deferred entry program for the potential recipients because, guess what, this has got to be passed. how many more of these tragic murders need to take place before the democrats get on
board? and needs to happen and it needs to happen quickly. >> martha: matt, that's the potential deal that is on the table, to accept daca, to allow daca to continue, children who were brought here not on their own volition, by their parents under the age of 16. they would be able to stay in return for some of these serious measures towards building a wal wall. >> i think we need serious measures, there's no doubt. let me be clear, they don't know who killed these guys. this was a horrible tragic event but we have no idea exactly what happened. what we do know is that most republicans from border regions, the ones who represent new mexico and arizona, 800 miles of the texas border, those republicans think a wall is a bad idea. congressman hurd has said it's a third century solution for a 21st century problem. we need to take further measures to ensure that people aren't crossing the border, but we have
all kinds of technology, drones and other technology that can work just as well in regions where a wall, which would cost upwards of $100 billion just makes no sense at all. >> martha: it seems to me that the issue of the wall, it's a case where the words are so powerful. for some people, the word wall is something that they want very much. for other people, they want security, but they really don't want it to be called a wall, and it's something that has a technological barrier and ramps up border agents along there they are probably okay with tha that. how does the president seeks a middle ground here david? >> for one thing, ironically, the 800,000 daca recipients will be among those protected by the wall. you can call it what you will. israel has one that protects israelis from terrorists coming into their country. they actually exist all over the world, but what america decides to put one up, we got political issues that seem to trump the issue if you will.
the reality is this isn't an issue between mexico and americans. between hispanics and white folks. this is an issue of national security, and i can't tell you how many hispanic, latino friends who are in favor of the wall because they are critically concerned about their families safety. again, the daca recipients will be among those protected and it's got to take place. the political problems with calling at the wall are completely secondary to national security issues that right now are critically important. >> martha: thank you, good to see you both. thanks a lot. i can just moments ago, shocking allegations of unwanted sexual contact by cbs news star charlie rose. he has now been suspended from three different networks and moments ago he is speaking out. also, lois lerner was the face of the irs scandal. now she wants to make sure that her testimony about targeting the tea party never sees the
light of day. will she get what she wants? and president trump gets into it with the father of a basketball player who refuses to say thanks for bringing his son home from a chinese prison. potentially. is taking a lot of heat in the media, but owens says do not blame the president, blame the bad parents. >> the father of one of the americans really seem to have a problem with it. and frankly it doesn't seem like the father wanted the president to intervene, which i think would have been a sad thing if he hadn't. ♪
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>> martha: breaking tonight, charlie rose, longtime cb host at cvs and bloomberg tv has now been suspended tonight by all three networks in the wake of a new report in "the washington post" alleging unwanted advances by at least eight different women. those advances include groping, lewd phone calls, walking around naked during several encounters dating back to the 1990s according to some of these
accounts and one as recently as 2011. rose did release a statement just moments ago admitting to some of that behavior saying this. "i have behaved insensitively at times and i accept responsibility for that, though i do not believe that all his allegations are accurate. i always felt that i was pursuing shared feelings even though i now realize i was mistaken. "that's the latest shoe to drop, more to come on that. also this evening, in a skirmish between the president and lavar ball has raised some big questions about lessons that we teach our children. here's what happened. the president cut into it this weekend with lavar ball, the dad of one of the three dusky ballplayers arrested in china who was later released after president trump interceded on their behalf. here's what westervelt said to espn. "everybody wants to make it seem like he helped me out. i'm from l.a., i've seen a lot worse things happen than a guy taking some glasses, "talking
about the death of sunglasses from the louis vuitton store in china. here's what trump said in response. now that the players are out of china and saved from years in jail, lavar ball, the father of liangelo ball is unaccepting what i did for his son in that shoplifting is no big deal. i should've left them in jail. it's worth mentioning that lavar ball is sort of the chris kardashian of basketball. he's the dad of three ucla basketball players. he and the sons star in a facebook reality tv show. he has said that his oldest son lonzo ball could beat michael jordan in a one on one. jordan shot back that he could beat him on one leg. they also have $700 sneakers under the family brand, the big ball or brand as it's known. the president got some heat over the weekend for getting into this with mr. ball, byron york said this morning that he sees it as a win for mr. trump. >> this is a feud where the president wins, just like an nfl protest. it's a classic trump counterattack, and in this case
it will have the support not only of his base, but most americans who oppose shopliftin shoplifting. this is one of those feuds, if not a big deal, but the president wins. >> martha: pretty big section of america that opposer shoplifting. it was not seen that way by others, watch. >> this is really happening with the president of the united states is cindy should have left them in jail because one of those guys, the dad wasn't sufficiently grateful. >> it's unbelievable. >> was outrageous and disgusting as the president of united states and should have never happen. >> there was racist overtures here that the black man is an appreciative of the white man to for him. dog whistle. >> martha: a lot to unpack there. here now, owens, former super bowl champion and offer of liberalism, or how to good stomach turn good men into whiners. thank you very much for being here tonight. if you think the president was right to jump in on this or not?
>> i tell you, what concerns me is another missed opportunity to give a message to kids who really need to hear this messag message. 70% of black boys do not have a data in the household. if you look at the juvenile system, 85% of those kids don't have dads. if you have a dad, you want him to stand up and do the right thing. in this case here, to apologize, they make mistakes in the very last thing, we make enough mistakes as it is. the last thing we need to teach our kids is it's no big deal to steal, lie and cheat. the accountability, something will turn soured on the road, allow these young men, no matter how wealthy they are, to continue to lie, steal entry, they lose the accountability at some point. >> martha: you sort of see an underlying message here between the nfl situation with kneeling on the field in this situation with the president is saying no, that's not what i would do,
essentially as a parent. this is what you need to teach in terms of respect and accountability. do you think that the president as a positive message here for young -- these young african-american men, or is it racist, as you just heard, charged? >> was a racist is to say this with the way black people should think and respond. i'm thankful the president is drawing lines across the boards. we need to respect our flag, we need to respect our women, the laws. all the things that right now there are problems in the black community that are not being taught because men are not standing up and doing their jobs. at the end of the day, let's have this conversation and at the end of the season let's go back and get american people in these communities giving the right message to these young people about service and love of country, because they are not getting it from the marxists and socialists that are running the communities as we speak today. >> martha: how would you compare the message that president trump is putting out there as the message that president obama put out there? >> president obama had a message of division.
it was always -- it was not bringing together and helping out kids understand their laws that we need to stay focused on. what i'm learning, what i'm seeing right now. when i grew up, to do something like this would not happen. i would not want to disrespect my families name, i wouldn't want want to embarrass my mom and dad. this is not being taught in the communities and across the board, black or white, it's a message all of us need to be teaching our kids because we want them to be successful and happy. unfortunately on the black community, we are expecting thuggery as almost a natural way that we think and react, that is racism, to have low expectations for our kids. >> martha: very much good to have you heard tonight. >> thank you, appreciate it. >> martha: host of the blaze, michael starr hopkins the democratic -- let me start with you, you are shaking her head at the end of that interview, why? >> to hear mr. burgess use words
like thuggery, that's a loaded term, i think it's unnecessary. the ball son apologized and i think the president was punching down by going after lavar ball. lavar ball is a character, but he's a civilian. for the president to even engage lavar ball i thought was foolish. and to be honest, when we look at the president, we want the president to show leadership. children are supposed to look to the president, not to lavar ball and his son, the president. i think he is showing a poor example. >> martha: what you think about that? initially when i watched this back and forth over the weekend i kind of had the same reaction, why is he going there? wires he going? why is he doing it? the more i looked at it and thought about it, everything is about figuring out a message to young people and he clearly felt that the message that was going out from lavar ball, the father of these basketball players, was the wrong message, and he wanted to make very clear that he felt differently. what do you think?
>> i agree. i think it's important to note that lavar ball is a donald trump-like figure, he says what's on his mind. the problem with his message regarding his son is counterproductive to what he has always taught his kids if you know lavar ball. about being self-made, to go against the grain, even when it came to the nba, but he didn't teach them to steal. i was surprised that he kind of condones the behavior and wasn't thankful to the president for essentially putting political capital on the line to get his son back. >> martha: it's pretty hard to imagine not being grateful. if it were my son, i would have quite a few choice words for him and i would say he better kiss the ground that you got back into this country. i remember the kid who got put in prison for chewing gum in the wrong country. you've got to be so careful when you are out there. i think that the president appears to have been pretty shocked at the response from his father. on the larger question, michael, let me ask you about this,
because obviously, president obama was the first african-american president in this country. president trump gets called a racist joe scarborough this morning. at the bottom of that is who was doing a better job to lift all people, including african-americans this country? with the policies that they're actually putting out there that underlie all of this haze. >> i don't think that's a question. i think president obama used his office to allow more students to go to college, student loan expansion. better access to health care. president obama so this is no red state or blue state, this is the united states. >> martha: that happened in the democratic convention and it didn't happen much after that. lawrence? >> i'm concerned about my community, i'm concerned about the entire company. specifically to my community, under president obama, the unemployment rate for black americans doubled the national average. right now under president trump
unemployment is a 20 year low. when it -- it's actually a fact. when it comes to school choice and education reform, president trump has invested, were president obama with the voucher system that can improve the life of black americans where they didn't have to go to a failing school just because they were in that zip code where they lived. the numbers are out, and right now we have one year with donald trump, i can say economically we are doing pretty good. >> martha: have to give michael a very quick response. >> with black on employment rate, president obama started because of the failures of the bush administration in the collapse. asked black americans after they felt safe after charlottesville. i don't know what black people you're talking to, but is not the same ones that i am. >> martha: president trump got a very small amount in terms of the lack boat, but more than romney or mccain got when they ran. we will see what happens the next time around, thank you, see
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the obama administration. they were the center of the 2013 scandal, as you probably well were men remember. this latest move is an effort to forever hide that testimony from the public and has many asking tonight, what could possibly be so damaging in terms of what they said on those deposition tapes? trace gallagher live in our west coast newsroom with the latest on it on that. hey, teresa. >> these are declarations that former irs lois lerner and her deputy gave that were filed in the nation's capital and ohio. she was in the cincinnati office. now she's asking a federal court to keep the testimonies private forever. her lawyers argued that releasing them publicly would put her and her family at risk. "returning ms. lerner -- places limit risk regardless of what they actually said in those depositions." lois lerner singled out tea
party leader mark meckler for stoking the threats against her by referring to irs agents as "criminal thugs." respondent, "four years of harassing innocent american citizens for their political beliefs and she is scared of a guy and a cowboy hat talking to a bunch of little old ladies at a tea party event." went on to say "the reality is she knows who she is guilty as the day is long and she doesn't want people to know what she actually did." when the westerner was brought before congress to testify in 2013, she refused by asserting her fifth amendment right. if the justice department under president obama chose not to prosecute the case, saying she was correct to assert the fifth, and went on to call her a bright spot who tried to curtail the irs targeting of conservative groups. but last month, the doj under trump agreed to a multimillion dollar settlement with tea party groups were targeted "based solely on viewpoints or
ideology." the government now says that lois lerner did not stop the targeting of tea party groups and, in fact, hit the behavior from her superiors. we should not the cincinnati enquirer is also fighting along with many others to get those depositions of lois lerner, holly unsealed and find out what they said. >> martha: wow. thank you very much. governor mike huckabee, or a presidential candidate and a fox news contributor, is here tonight to weigh in on this. they think that they need some protection. they really do not want anybody to see what they said in those depositions, governor. >> i have a great idea for a safe place, it's called a federal prison. look, what these guys did was incredibly illegal and the fact that the taxpayers of america, you and me, we had to spend $3.5 million settling a claim says there was a claim to be settled. martha, i am seething with rage that somebody thinks that they
can abuse the public office that they hold, abuse the taxpayers they work for, basically use the power of government to trample people's constitutional rights and then act like please protect me. i don't want anybody to get hurt, but if you think there is a threat, call the cops. but in the meantime, we need to have the cops on you, you being lois lerner and holly pass, this is outrageous and we need to know what is in those records. that's miss doing by public officials. >> martha: that decision will be up to the justice department at this point. these cases have been settled, they've been paid out. now is the point where this kind of thing would be released for the public to take a look at and they have every right to take a look at it, as you say. they paid for the investigation. they are going to have to convince the justice department that they have a case here, right? >> it shouldn't be that hard, tell mike to convince the justice department. how could they not prosecute? if you don't pay her taxes, we
do get away with it? why will the irs trample over us? let's remover something about the irs. it's the only government agency that can launch the investigation, conduct the investigation, conclude with the investigation showed and then adjudicated by punishing somebody. it's a one-stop shop and i think, frankly, somebody ought to file a lawsuit that the irs is unconstitutional, because nowhere else in government can one entity completely ignore checks and balances that have some other branch of government looking over their shoulder. this is one agency run amok. we need to put them out of business, and the people who abuse their power, they need to do more than google dell might go out of business. honestly, i'm not just saying this, some of these folks should be in prison, because the rest of us would be had we done something like that. it's just outrageous. >> martha: i think it would get a lot of people behind you if you ran for president with that idea. i think a lot of people do not like the irs and they were probably love to see that
happen. do you see any sign that there is ever going to be any accountability in this case, governor ? >> it doesn't look like it, martha. it's the same thing with the payouts, over $15 million in payouts for sexual harassment claims and say we have to protect the people on this records. no we don't. >> martha: that's a great point. >> we shouldn't be protecting them. the women need to be protected, keep their names out of it, but if you have right now, sitting congressman and senators who have done that, we the taxpayers shouldn't be paying that money out. the pervs and predators that did these things should be paying out. i shouldn't have to pay out of my paycheck or you are yours to cover the sins of sunk congressmen who couldn't keep his hands to himself. >> martha: it is unbelievable. do you think we are ever going to see the sort of records of that fund in terms of who these payouts were for? >> i would like to believe that at some point, maybe it's the
justice department, maybe if the president who pushes it, maybe it's just enough outrage from people. this has nothing to do, by the way, with democrats and republicans. equal outrage on everybody's part. if you are a taxpayer, this ought to make you some kind of ticked off. >> martha: absolutely. it not a private company, not a settlement, a completely different story. this is government money. thank you so much, sir. good to see her tonight. >> thank you. thanks. >> martha: one of president obama's strongest arguments for second term in office. >> al qaeda is on the run and osama bin laden is no more. >> martha: but tonight, there is a bombshell report in "the new york times" claiming the one thing missing from that statement was the actual truth. lieutenant colonel michael walsh with the other side of that story not revealed until now. ♪ for 100 years,
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>> martha: also tonight, a top foreign correspondent for "the new york times" is now claiming that the obama administration misled the american public and downplayed the threat of al qaeda and related groups leading up to the 2012 election. this is even as al qaeda was ramping up in africa at that time. here's a look back at some of
what that then-president said. watch this. >> for the first time in two decades, osama bin laden is not a threat to this country. slowly and systematically, we have been able to decimate the ranks of al qaeda. al qaeda is on the path to defeat and osama bin laden is dead. >> martha: gm is alive and osama bin laden is dead. remember all that? michael waltz, from a terrorism advisor to cheney. also a fox news contributor. good to see you tonight. >> thanks, martha. >> martha: your mind goes back to the political moment then. that was very much the narrative that the obama administration wanted everyone to believe, that al qaeda was on the run, bin laden was dead and it was over basically, there was nothing to fear out there. this new report from "the new york times" points out, among other things, but there were 470,000 files that were released by the trump administration that were from the bin laden compound.
those were sat on by the obama administration. they only released a few hundred. why was that, and what did she find in their? >> everyone, everybody, whether you are fighting us in the field or analyst backer in the united states, following terrorism closely, knew that the obama administration was downplaying the intel, actively downplaying the intel. the agenda here essentially was that the obama administration wanted to pull the united states back from overseas and focus on its domestic agenda and its priorities. so that became, that translated -- particularly after the death of osama bin laden. but translated to pulling out of iraq, pulling out of afghanistan, pulling the united states back. wishing where the problems in syria, and the narrative was that you dare not challenge, particularly in analyst ranks, the narrative was osama bin laden is dead, al qaeda is defeated. as you just played they are on the run, we have one and we don't need to worry about this anymore in any analyst that
dared to challenge that, it was not good for their career and that's why, if you recall, was the scandal down in the united states central command were analysts were saying wait a minute, let's look at benghazi, let's look at the takeover of molly, let's look at the transfer of information into is. let's look at a resurgent into afghanistan, we are losing our gains there and that reporting was suppressed because the leadership knew that if they push that at the white house it wouldn't be welcomed. >> martha: it's terrifying, because when you think about -- something is not over just because you wanted to be. the war in iraq wasn't one just because you said we will leave at a certain time and we see the ramifications of that. she talks about in her reporting that she was told by obama administration officials that there was no link between hq i am in the sort of headquarters of al qaeda. they weren't connected, and we all remember the jv comment about isis, downplay, downplay, downplay. there's nothing to be afraid of.
and during that time there was such tremendous expansion. >> what we knew and what the obama administration knew, because it was in the documents seized from osama bin laden's compound, was that this was being centrally run. osama bin laden was still in charge. he was actively in touch through his surrogate with vocal holland , with the taliban, and with the growing movement in iraq and syria. he was still running the show, but that didn't fit in the administrations we've won this narrative. if they cherry picked 17 documents out of the hundreds of thousands that fit the narrative and said we released them. and thank god our own stephen hayes foundation for defense of democracy and others have been pushing for the declassification of these documents so that we can see that al qaeda is alive and well. we have to keep up this fight and that we are in a global war against islamic extremism. >> martha: as you point out, they knew. if they saw in those documents.
they just didn't release them. i have to leave it there, always great happy with us. thank you very much. >> thanks, martha. >> martha: coming up next, here we go. a little christmas time at the white house and something else, the quote of the night when we come back. ♪ hello, i'm an idaho potato farmer. you've probably seen me running all over the country in search of our big idaho potato truck. but not any more. i am done with that. ooh, ooh hot - just gonna stay home on the farm, eat a beautiful idaho potato, and watch tv with my dog... tv anncr: the big idaho potato truck pulled into town today
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>> martha: finally tonight, first lady melania trump and son baron took part in the annual tradition that kicks off the holiday season and the nation's capital. late today the white house christmas tree arrived. came by a horse drawn carriage. in 19 and a half foot bulk from the chapman family in wisconsin. it will be on the blue room at the white house, but hold on, before we get into christmas, here's a thanksgiving proclamation from 19 oh one though michael mike zero one and the court of the night from teddy roosevelt. let us remember that as much as been given us, not much be expected from us and true homage comes from the heart as well as from the lips and it shows itself in deeds.
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