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weekly segment, don't you? sweet to me, @ingrahamangle. steve on radio tomorrow morning. all the time we have tonight. now we have shannon bream and the "fox news @ night" team. they have a fantastic show on tap as always. shannon? >> shannon: you could sell tickets, maybe do a pay-per-view situation on that. >> laura: next time. >> shannon: thanks, laura. hello, welcome to "fox news @ night." i am shannon bream in washington. general jack keane on syria, congressman jim jordan on a special counsel, and the "washington examiner"'s byron york on former fbi director james comey, they are all straight ahead. first tonight, president trump speaking this evening with british prime minister theresa may as "the wall street journal" reports that britain, france, and the united states are uniting around "broad plans for a military strike against syria." still to be worked out, the scope and the purpose of any coordinated response to a suspected chemical weapons attack. russia is reportedly working to
delay any such action by seeking an emergency u.n. security council meeting just hours from now. we've got team coverage for you tonight. leland vittert reporting on what we are learning about the administration's positions on syria and russia from today's confirmation hearing for secretary of state nominee, current caa director mike pompeo. but we begin with kristin fisher on the latest on syria. good evening. speak out on my call tonight between president trump and thee two agreed it was vital that the use of chemical weapons did not go unchallenged. a direct quote from downing street. how exactly they intend to challenge it remains unclear. the white house says it's the exact same thing at that all week, all options are on the table. just one day after telling russia to get ready because missiles will be coming, president trump today said, an attack on syria could be very soon or not to soon at all. the softer tone was echoed by
his secretary of defense on capitol hill, who testified about concerns of the pentagon that the bombing syria could drag the u.s. into an even bigger war with russia and iran. >> we are trying to stop the murder of innocent people. on a strategic level, it is how do we keep this from escalating out of control. if you get my drift on that. >> secretary mattis made his way to the white house along with other officials, after meeting for 90 minutes, the white house press secretary said, no final decision has been made. we are continuing to assess intelligence and are engaged in conversations with our partners and allies. today the russian ambassador to the u.n. also tried to lower the temperature by saying "the immediate priority is to avert the danger of war."
on the ground, a convoy of russian military vehicles could be seen heading toward the scene of the suspected chemical attack, douma. the president of france that he has proof that chemical weapons were indeed used in a small syrian town. the white house won't go quite that far but secretary mattis did say this. >> if there was a chemical attack, and we are looking for the evidence. >> is the white house ways as options come on capitol hill, warnings that the president may need congresses permission for any military strike that goes farther than last year's strike on a single syrian airfield. >> anything then that, we would need a new authorization for the use of military force. >> as for any criticism of the president's dithering on making a decision, speaker ryan said this. >> he is being deliberate. he is going through all of the options and he is consulting our allies. that is what you want presidents to do in moments like this. >> something else to consider, right now, there is a team from the united nations on its way to syria and they should be on the ground in douma by around saturday. that could complicate any potential strike by the u.s. and its allies if they decide to strike at all, shannon. >> shannon: good point. kristin fisher, thank you very much. president trump wang's military
and diplomatic options regarding syria. he is doing so without a permanent secretary of state. the president's nominee to succeed rex tillerson went before senators today and his confirmation hearing. leland vittert takes a look at the global challenges the nominee who is now the current caa director, mike pompeo, could soon confront. >> there are few people like soldiers who appreciate diplomats. go to thematic work. >> wants west point cadet, then desert storm officer, congressman, cia director, no secretary of state nominee, mike pompeo, promised a new beginning to the state department state department. senators demanded an independent voice for president trump. >> will you enable president trump's worst instincts? >> we have also seen that good counsel has led the president to evolve. >> for the first time, pompeo confirmed he was forces killed several hundred russians who attack they syria. he said he had no problem continuing ratcheting up pressure on russia with
sanctions and anything else possible. >> we need to push back in each place, each of those tools that blood and is using, we need to do our best to make sure he doesn't succeed. >> the president's promise decision on military strikes against syria for its alleged chemical weapons attack provided senators fertile ground for questioning his real-world advice. >> you said you believe that the president has the authority to strike syrian forces. >> the president has that authority. >> while pompeo refused to discuss his interview with the suppression of counsel or private conversations with the presidents, he down on that he know of no wrongdoing. >> the president has never asked me to do anything that i considered remotely improper. >> 14 democrats and one independent joint 51 republicans to confirm pompeo as cia director. the lone dissenting republican, rand paul, who says he isn't sure this time around either. >> i don't think he represents president trump's vision for america. millions of americans voted for trump because he said we would come from home from afghanistan.
he said the iraq war was a mistake. he seemed to understand that we shouldn't be everywhere all the time. >> pompeo's current role as cia director puts him at the intersection of all things north korean, including the negotiations over a possible kim jong un-president trump settlement. in a nod to the job he won, he said there is a long nomadic road ahead -- a long road ahead. demanding irreversible steps by the north to give up nuclear weapons before they get anything from the united states. >> shannon: it is a big ask. leland vittert, thank you very much for wrapping that up for us. president trump and our allies reportedly crafting broad plans are for a strategy for syria. jack keane is a retired four star general and senior fox news strategic analyst. great to have you with us. >> good to be here. >> shannon: let's talk about what our strategy is. the president has talked a lot about isis in syria. they've got their own civil war, there's the question of whether
assad remains in power. but what our goals and our allies goals be going in? >> first of all, our strategy in syria, as stated repeatedly by the president and his national security team, is to defeat isis. it is not to embroil ourselves in a syrian civil war. it is to contribute to ending that politically and diplomatically. the problem with that strategy as we turn syria over to the russians and iranians, and the iranians are conducting a military buildup to encroach on israel, which could likely pull us back in there. and we haven't defeated isis yet. we've taken the caliphate away but there are thousands of isis there and the president knows that. we will clean that up. in dealing with this immediate problem in front of us, our strategy the last time was to messaging assad by conducting a measured, proportionate strike on the airfield that originated the attack on that town. as a result of that, we did not
deter him. one year later, he's used chemical weapons again. all three nations agree that that's a fact. so if we do the same kind of strike again, we are likely not going to deter him because he has -- he's convinced that these weapons that he uses have military effect and they get the results, and they did in this case because they capitulated as a result of use of chemical weapons. so i think what we have to do now, the strategy should be, a different goal. not to deter him, but to take away his capacity to ever use chemical weapons again. having nothing to do with deterrence. that means we have to defeat all of his delivery systems, all of his rotary wing aircraft, fixed wing aircraft, fuel maintenance, munitions, and they still have chemical artillery rounds, i'm not privy to the intelligence briefings, we have to defeat the
artillery. that's a more comprehensive strike. there are probably people in the administration i don't want to go that far. but if we don't go that far, we are likely going to have a repeat of that. now the time it's taking to do this is not dithering on the part of the president as some people are suggesting. he has done the right thing here. going back in there again but now he wants the allies to be with us. they all have a process like we have. it takes time for them to work through their process, work through their inter-agencies, legislatures, and also work through their military options, come back to the president and say, i'm ready to go. >> shannon: how important is what is decided by the u.s. and by the allies? what they carry out in syria? messaging to other problem places in the world? >> i think it's an enormous. first of all, the thing about russia, i know there's people in our government that are wringing their hands that could just lead to a war with russia. look, the russians and the
iranians have got a victory in syria. we've got to face the facts. assad is not going anyplace ms they want him to go someplace. that they would never risk -- never risk all the gains they made by getting into a conflict with the united states. it makes no sense on the surface of it. the second thing, we got to pay attention to this, there are people on fox who have been saying that what we should do is target assad for these horrific crimes that he's committed. that makes no sense in the view of what you just mentioned. we are trying to convince kim jong un, who's got a nuclearized icbms is what we believe he's leaning towards, we are not going to change out his regime. that we will leave him in place and he's paranoid about that. why? because after qaddafi gave up his wmd, we deposed him. if we took on assad here, i think that blows up any chance
of having success successful negotiations of kim jong un. >> shannon: we always have a question of what comes behind when you remove one leader, that vacuum is very dangerous. general, thank you for taking a break from all the things you are doing as this is going on. good to see see you. >> great talking to you. >> shannon: on the domestic front, the white house took a vote today on a balanced budget amendment that would require the government to spend no more than it takes in. after the g.o.p.-controlled house passed a $1.3 trillion spending bill just weeks ago, democrats said today, the vote was a joke. >> like some sermon from tribe on the virtues of chastity, i believe he believe these house republicans today do deserve a gold medal for hypocrisy. >> unsustainable spending designed decades ago have created a debt monster that ths seemingly unstoppable. >> shannon: the vote was
233-184. short of a two-thirds majority that you need to become an amendment, this would need plenty of democrats support of the senate from a two-thirds there as well, and approval by 38 state legislatures. deputy attorney general rod rosenstein's visit to the white house. we have a live report on that, what they may have discussed today. plus, the latest on the showdown between the doj and congress when it comes to the critical evidence in the russia investigation and beyond. congressman jim jordan weighs in. he joins us on that and more. also, former fbi director james comey making the rounds out promoting his book. is he providing details or opinions or both? plus, the g.o.p. is launching a website in direct response to all of comey's claims. stick around for the "washington examiner"'s byron york. ♪ kers on kittens ♪ ♪ bright copper kettles and warm woolen mittens ♪ ♪ brown paper packages tied up with strings ♪
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♪ >> shannon: the number two at the justice department an appointment to the special counsel's russia probe is under increasing political scrutiny. we will hear shortly for mikey congressman who wants to hold rod rosenstein accountable. first, a report, do tonight claims that talks between the president of the special counsel have collapsed. chief intelligence correspondent catherine herridge joins us.
good evening. >> shannon, the president's personal attorney ty cobb telling fox today that it's untrue that talks were broken down with a special counsel, though a source says reads this week on michael cohen were like a bomb going off, shattering trust. also, write the justice department officials confirming deputy attorney general rob rosenstein who oversees the russia probe and has the power to fire the special counsel, was at the white house for meetings that lasted an hour. the subject of one meeting, providing documents to congress after repeated complaints from republican lawmakers. fox news also understands that rosenstein met with white house counsel donald mcgahn. he also met with the president with what was described as routine matters. they emphasize that rosenstein was not fired. the timing was so tight, the justice department had to make last-minute changes with a an event with attorney general jeff sessions. senators are introducing and supporting bipartisan legislation that would limit the
president's ability to fire the special counsel. that would include expedited judicial review and reinstatement of termination was not part four because. >> i think they made it clear it would be a terrible mistake for the president to terminate rod rosenstein or robert mueller. >> i have no belief at all he will fire mueller because legally i don't think he can. i don't think he understands what would happen. as far as mr. rosenstein goes, for him to be fired, he'd have to have a good reason and i just don't see that reason. it's. speak of the senate judiciary committee now has a date at my calendar of april 26 for a vote of the legislation to protect the special counsel. she and in? >> shannon: thank you very much. some trump supporters have been erred don't like urging them to get rid of rosenstein but it's worth noting the presidential suite today said this...
let's talk it not back about it now with jim jordan. thanks for coming in. rod rosenstein had a meeting with the president at the white house. how do you think that went? >> who knows. you know, they said they didn't talk about this but i find that hard to believe. we don't know. what we do know is that the president has been clear, he won't buy or robert mueller. dick durbin just said if he did that, that would be terrible. it would be terrible if the justice department continue to treat congress as separate and equal branch of government the way they have been. mainly, not giving us the information we are entitled to. congressman knows it and i met with john laos, the new point person in charge of complying we request for documents on the united states congress. they met with us, could not
answer four simple questions. asking four questions. what is the documents we need? the approximate number? what is redacted? >> we are not sure. the big question was they had no clue, when will we get what we are entitled to. that did not inspire confidence. everyone, top to bottom, mr. sessions, rosenstein, have to do a much better job in giving us the information we deserve. the good news this week, when chairman devin nunes got the communication that launched the entire investigation into president trump and the whole russia issue, that is at least a small step in the right direction. they got to do much better than that and in a dramatic way. >> shannon: let's talk about the things they have done. the u.s. attorney john huber, the doj says he will be looking at all kinds of things that you all are concerned about, including potential fisa abuses. the fbi director, christopher wray, saying doubling the number of agents to help with these document requests. the referenced u.s. attorney lausch, and the fact that
congressman nunes and trey gowdy were able to see that fbi document, so do you feel like they are meeting you halfway? >> look, it's great you have more people looking at the documents, a point person. i don't know what they are going to do, he looks like a nice guy. if we get the same redacted documents, for example, they redacted the documents we originally had, had redacted the conversation between lisa page and peter strzok where they talk about the relationship peter strzok had with one of the fisa judges. it just happened to be the same federal judge who heard michael flynn's case. they didn't think congress should see that. if we get the same redacted stuff, i don't think that is a big improvement. >> shannon: the bigger part is, you don't know what you are missing? >> give us information and don't redact that. this is amazing to me, peter strzok and lisa page still have their security clearance. they can still see everything. but members of congress, elected by the people of their district, the american people directly
electing them, can't see that. that seems strange to me and why did we have to fight tooth and nail to get that information? john huber being named, okay, but can the fbi really investigate themselves, can the department of justice investigate themselves? john huber and john lausch answer to rob rosenstein. that is a problem. it's why we have called for a second special counsel. >> shannon: all the talk of potentially firing the white house saying there is no investigation, including your friend mark meadows that he's not talking about firing mueller with their ongoing conversation about rosenstein. here's what nancy pelosi said on that today. >> if the president fires a special counsel or deputy attorney general rosenstein, it will ignite a constitutional crisis. it would declare that president trump believes that his administration and his campaign are completely above the law. >> shannon: your reaction to that statement?
>> like i said, mr. rosenstein has to improve the way we get the information we are entitled to. remember rod rosenstein, he is one of the guys who signed one of the fis applications. he wrote the memo detailing why james comey should be fired and now he is supposed to preside over the investigation to determine if there was obstruction of justice involving james comey. it's kind of strange. if they don't improve, i think all things are on the to table, that includes contempt, impeachment, asking them to resign. that to me just make sense because our job is to get answers to important questions so the american people know exactly what took place. >> shannon: it doesn't seem like you are running out of steam brady will stay at it because there are more answers on questions. >> never forget what they did. they took an oppo research document, dressed it up, took it to a secret court, and didn't tell them the truth and the whole truth, and that the author of the document had to his
relationship terminated with the fbi because he went and leaked the information. they never explain that to the court. you and i can't get away with that. we have to give the whole truth and nothing but the truth. they didn't do that. >> shannon: congressman, thanks for stopping in. always good to see you. one day after announcing he will not seek reelection, house speaker paul ryan appeared to single his support for house majority leader kevin mccarthy to be his successor. he told reporters he was encouraged by majority whip steve scalise's comments on "fox & friends" this morning indicating he would not run against mccarthy. embattled epa administrator scott pruitt wanted to make changes to the agency's logo because he felt that resembled the marijuana leaves. "the new york times" also reporting pruitt wanted to rework the epa's so-called challenge coins to feature his name and include a logo that looked more like a presidential seal. nepa spokesman says administrator pruitt does not have a challenge coin. the resistance warriors, progressives gathering ndc to
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by a preliminary venture capitalist from the san francisco area. it's gathered more than 600,000 signatures but it only needs 366,000. of the secretary of state can verify at least that many, the measure would then qualify for the ballot in november. the plan is to split california into three states, the central state would be a coastal strip that runs from monterey in the north just past los angeles county in the south. the northern state would start just below the san francisco bay area, across to nevada, and up to the border with oregon. the southern state would go from the sierra nevada mountains of the northeastern part of the state through the central valleys and deserts, all the way down past san diego to the mexican border. the new states would then be named by the residents. supporters say the bottom line is that california is simply too big to govern and that residents would be better served by three separate governments. the man leading the charge is tim draper and he says things can't really get much worse.
watch. >> nobody wants to leave but we are still stuck with the same government we've had for all of these years, and it's failing our kids, it's feeling -- it's not safe here. we have many homeless people, we have a lot of big problems. the education system is just about the words in all 50 states and it's the biggest state. >> critics say smaller is not better and that's putting up california's national parks, prisons, schools, universities, power grid, and water supply would be a very massive and ugly task. of course, there are also national political ramifications. the split would likely result of the same number of congressional representatives but it would mean adding four more senators to this region. even if californians vote to split up, it would still need congressional approval. in 1859, california voters overwhelmingly voted in favor of
splitting california into two states but because of the civil war, congress never acted, and experts say it is unlikely they would get behind it this time. she and shannon? >> shannon: is up to you guys and how you vote out there. thank you. senator bernie sanders became wildly popular during the 2016 campaign season, picking up 23 primary contest wins for the democratic nomination. now the progressive change campaign committee is attempting to harness that energy for upcoming midterm elections. ellison barber got the inside scoop. >> roughly 450 candidates from dozens of states are at a d.c. hotel trying to learn how to win elections. the progressive candidates. >> your children and mine. >> number one, transforming the debate. fighting for progressive agenda.
we are winning. speak of the progressive change campaign committee started in 2009. adam graham is a cofounder. he said they have been hosting training events for years, but this is by far the largest. >> we don't just want to drive people to the polls, we want to inspire them. how to make college debt free, how to expand health care, how to make sure people have better jobs and higher wages. that is our mantra. we not >> it is evidence of a py fighting amongst themselves, proof of birth but in the democratic party with the establishment on one side, the far left, on the other. the speaker bernie sanders running as a progressive did not get the nomination of the democc party in 2016 at hillary clinton, running as a progressive, didn't win the 2016 election. >> election analysts say party infighting can be problematic at the ballot box but not always. >> these things can be rocky. certainly republicans have experienced it with the tea
party during the obama years. ultimately it didn't really hurt them that much. >> the people here say this movement is different than whatever conventional wisdom might say. in many ways, they don't consider this to be a fight within the democratic party. >> it's a question of what unites the base of both parties. >> it's an opportunity to say, we can continue to opening organic voices from the committees in each of these representatives. as big of a training conference is set to last four days. today is just day one. the big question is, will it help those candidates win and about seven months? we'll have to wait and see in november. >> shannon: thank you. is the democratic party pushing too far left for the midterms? fox news politics editor and author of "the halftime report," chris stirewalt joins us now. good to see you. there's a lot of people on the right to hope that is what is happening. these primary contest put so far left that when the candidate
wins, they may not be able to win the general. >> if you recall the concern about this in when steve bannon was roy mooring it up out there, when you will get -- you won't be able to get back to the middle in time to run in the general election. we should remember, midterm elections are a lot more about face turn out to support then a quadrennial presidential year. it matters more, can you people go might get your people motivated? this is a tough test. how do you prevent real weird beards from getting in as nominees, -- >> shannon: you've never heard of that. >> you've never heard of that? i bequeath it to you. can you keep these folks out but keep their borders? ore, and the ideal situations, you find people who are crossover candidates that succeed that are either far left but look like they are
straight and narrow, or are -- i think the success they had with conor lamb in pennsylvania is reflective of it. you find a way that you get a moderate who can speak to and connect with liberals of the district enough they can get it done. >> shannon: in a way i say a lot of this on the floor of the dnc, where fox news is very popular. >> they love you. >> shannon: i did get a lot of burning burros who were very tight with us. they felt like they had gotten fired up and involved in the party, completely abandoned when it came -- >> there was a woman -- i shouldn't talk about it maybe because i don't know how she is. she was dragged physically out of a debate that i think the democrats of connecticut had put together for the gubernatorial candidate. holding onto the table, the police are taking her out, you know what she said? "i will not be debbie wasserman schultz- ed." [laughter] >> shannon: one of the things
they are talking about is this idea of impeachment. a number of democrats are saying that it will happen when we take the house. the democratic leadership is saying, don't talk about that. david axelrod saying "if impeachment becomes a political tool, instead of the end result of a credible investigation, then you're as guilty as trump in some ways of taking a hammer blow to institutions. to say and for impeachment come hell or high water is to promise chaos." they don't want their people talking about that. >> tom stier wants to run for president in 2020 and he wants to use this thing, sign my petition for impeachment, but also, give me all your personal information so that i can then use you. >> shannon: it's very facebooky. >> barry facebooky. for a very narrow group of democrats, it is in their personal interest. but it's in the interest of a lot of republicans. now what you are hearing, they are absorbing it and blowing it back, their horrible cans or fund-raising on, impeach impeach. they are talking about it because they know it it will
motivate the presidents voters who were not yet sure that what republicans call trump only, people that aren't traditional republicans but voted for trump in the quadrennial, will they show up? if you can scare them into thinking that, unlikely as it might look, that the president will get impeached, then maybe you can get some donations but get into the polls, too. >> shannon: in january, a third of the democratic caucus in the house did vote to move ahead. there are some out there who want to support it. we'll see what happens. let's talk about the midterms a few more times. >> okay.
i agree. >> shannon: thanks. he is making the rounds. james comey dropping bombshells for the media, revealing all as his book is about to hit the shelf. will he change his tune on about telling all to congress? byron york is asking the question. he joins his next life. ♪ ey? yeah! geico. expect great savings and a whole lot more. are finding themselves morin a chevroletple for the first time. trying something new can be exciting. empowering. downright exhilarating. see for yourself why chevrolet is the most awarded and fastest growing brand, the last four years overall. switch into a new chevy now. current competitive owners can get five thousand dollars below msrp on this 2018 equinox when you finance with gm financial. find new roads at your local chevy dealer.
>> shannon: this is a fox news alert. something coming in, we don't have a lot of details, but the first indication of a court to move in the wake of those fbi raids in president trump's personal attorney michael cohen. we are told there will be a preceding tomorrow morning in a new york court. all we know is the hearing is regarding those search warrants that were served on cohen's office, hotel room, and home earlier this week. fox news will be all over it when we learn more. former fbi director james comey will soon release his tell all complete with a media rollout
including eventually an interview with our own bret baier. while we learn anything new about the hillary clinton email investigation? loretta lynch? is this all about president trump? joining me now, byron york, fox news contributor in "washington examiner" to political correspondent. good to have you tonight. you wrote an interesting piece in which you talk about the fact that after he was fired, comey was invited multiple times by the senate judiciary committee to come to the hill and talk about what he knew. he said, i received your letter, as a private citizen, i respectfully decline to answer the questions, wishing you the best, jim comey. we will learn a lot in his book. what we learn anything that congress wanted to know? >> what is one of the teaser lines? he answered every question. now we should say that he did go to speak after he was fired, which had different questions from the senate judiciary committee, which does have primary jurisdiction over the fbi. you are right. it was bipartisan, the top two republicans, the top two
democrats on the committee wanted him to come speak. he is not spoke. the fbi treats the comey memos as if they are the highest state secrets. very few members of congress have been able to see them. they have been in a room with an fbi minder the whole time. >> shannon: are they classified? >> no copies, no notes taken. some of them are apparently classified at a relatively low level. there are seven of them. at least three or four of them are not classified. comey is using them as the basis for what he is writing in his new book and what he will be talking about in this big media blitz. >> shannon: okay, "the washington post" has read the book. they review says "the book is in an indictment of trump's presidency as well as of his character. each chapter can be interpreted as an elaborate trolling of trump starting with the title "a higher loyalty," is subtle reference to the loyalty pledge that he sought from comey." do you think the president will be able to resist taking the bait? this is waving the red flag in
front of him. >> i think probably so. first of all, i think the post was getting at the problem with this book. it will tell us a lot of times that jim come he doesn't like donald trump and that he has a low opinion of him and he thinks the president is like a mob boss and all of this stuff. but what is it going to tell us that is new about the investigation? we have found out the book tells us that the president told comey and comey's telling of events that he wanted comey to look into this sex scene in moscow in the dossier that was never verified. that's new. how much else new will there be in there or will it just be james comey going about seeing that he does not like the president? >> shannon: the question is if there are so much of what congress and everybody else wants to know from comey is about the hillary clinton email investigation, the tarmac meeting between then attorney general loretta lynch and bill clinton when his wife was under investigation.
listen, some of what hillary clinton and loretta lynch have said stands in contrast to what we have heard from comey. if you will settle scores with them in this book, or will it be trump? >> he will talk about hillary clinton and he's does defend the decisions that he's made may be expresses for peopls decision but maybe not explaining them all that well. it's interesting to find out that the book is out now and he will have this big press to her. in a few weeks, we will likely have the inspector general's report from the justice department which looks into all of us, including james comey's handling of the hillary clinton email affair. it was on the basis of that report that andrew mccabe was fired. so it's likely that we will get a new perspective on this book, even as comey is still out there publicizing it. >> shannon: he may have to answer any questions based on the inspector general report. could be a good time for a book tour or maybe not.
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>> shannon: president trump came to down bowing to drain the swamp, said he's doing a fine job of it no matter what his attractors claim. >> from the day i took the oath of office, i have been fighting to drain the swamp and sometimes it may not look like it but believe me, we are draining the swamp and there are a lot of unhappy people. you can see that every day. all you have to do is turn on the news. every time you see me head, you know that i am draining the swamp. people don't like it. >> shannon: let's begin tonight's panel. adrienne elrod, former director of strategic communications for hillary clinton. charlie kirks, director of turning point usa. fox news political analyst, gianno caldwell. welcome to all of you. i will start with you, gianno is he draining the swamp or is it draining him? who is winning? >> their significant evidence of president trump draining the swamp by way of rolling back regulations, saving an estimated $1.8 billion in regulatory
costs, nafta, renegotiating matt, the tax bill. those are all positive developments. but there is also some evidence that president trump is getting a little cozy with the swamp and i am talking about the omnibus spending bill. the bill was a slap in the face to every conservative that voted for president trump and i should have been one that he vetoed as he previously said that he would when he ran for public office. there is levels to it and i think there is more going into the swamp the mayor is being drained at this point with that bill specifically. >> shannon: charlie, we are hearing so much trickling from the white house that the president's various about what is packed into the bill. he signed it and they are talking about trying to claw back some of the money. it looks like that is the perfect set up of the contrast of whether he will overcome d.c.'s business as usual or whether he will get caught up in it to. >> it is very tough. growing up, we are told there are three branches of government. there is really four. the fourth is the bureaucracy. they have total and complete
control of his country. they are unelected, they are unknown, and they are unaccountable. all these federal agencies that make up the alphabet soup. it seems that they are the ones that actually have all the power in the control. here are some of the positive things of the president has done to drain the swamp. 13 out of 17 of the biggest federal agencies have less workers today than they did when he entered his presidency. one of the first executive orders that he signed upon entering office was barring anyone who left the executive branch from lobbing the same agency they left. the swamp is a very, very complex issue. the president wants to be dumb i continue to drain it. it's difficult, when you have people in both political parties that are so determined to protect this political power. >> shannon: adrienne, to the issue of the fourth branch, the founders never intended, the regulatory or administered a branch, people on the hill will admit, they all say, members of congress will tell you, it is their fault because instead of -- they pass the laws but it is a framework of a lever to these agencies to write the regulations and do everything else.
some are saying it's because congress isn't doing our job, that we have the rise of the swamp as we now know which. >> i think that this is something that is pervasive and both parties. it is something that is pervasive in washington for a long time. look, of course donald trump is not draining the swamp. sometimes i don't even think he believes the words that are coming out of his mouth. all you have to do is look at his cabinet, the fact that you've got epa administrator scott pruitt who cannot stay within the ethical boundaries, every single day we hear of something new that is coming out, whether it is him short-circuiting how much he has to pay for his housing, or whether it is turning on a police siren so he can speed down 14th street. there is no draining of the small pier that is been happening under trump. i think the real, indicative thing going into 2018 and 2020 is of the white working-class voters in america who voted him into office don't see any changes in their income status, don't see any changes in their actual economic status at home,
how will that affect him at the ballot box in 2020? >> shannon: let me ask each of you, do you think that perception, the reality -- let's put that aside because perception is the thing, when people had to the ballot box, if they are motivated to go, who do you think is winning? the president or the swamp? adrienne? >> i think the swamp at this point is winning. unfortunately. >> shannon: charlie? >> i was in the president. despite the headwinds that have been coming at him, he has changed the direction, he is a disruptive force, the people will side with him for his motives and motivations. >> shannon: gianno, quickly. >> he's mixed up washington, certainly, but the swamp certainly appears that they are running, when you talk about the budget bill that just past. >> shannon: we got to leave it there. adrienne, charlie, gianno, thank you very much. before we go, it is holocaust remembrance day around the world. more than 6 million jews and
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we'll see you tomorrow night, tucker is up next. his musical ♪ >> tucker: good evening and welcome to "tucker carlson tonight." you may remember that robert mueller's investigation was created with a clear purpose, finding evidence of rushing and meddling in the u.s. elections. putin hacked our democracy. this investigation was going to look into possible collusionoo between russians and americans. they are supposed to be a lot of evidence of that. instead, the investigation has continued and it's evolved. just as somelv of us warned it would a year ago. just like all of these investigations do. it has like all of them become an endless, all-purpose investigation of the president. his life, business, friends, his sex