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timeline of all of the statements by james klapper does not seem to add up. trace gallagher is live in our west coast room to explain. hi, trace. >> the white house is correspondence coordination said the network made the steel dossier part of the lexicon. opposition research that was compiled by former british spy christopher steele and paid for by the clinton campaign in the democratic national convention. it was filled with salacious and unverified details including allegations that russian operatives have a compromising, personal, and financial information on mr. trump, like in a moscow hotel. former fbi director james comey before the inauguration in january 2017, he was told by then director of national intelligence james clapper to brief president-elect trump on the dossier. comey said it was important that mr. trump knew about the salacious details because the
media and specifically cnn was about to run the story, which it did. buzzfeed news then followed publishing the dossier in full. clapper spoke with president trump on the phone saying quoting here, i have express my profound display at the leaks that have been appearing in the press and we both agreed they are extremely corrosive and damaging to our national security. then in march of 2017, james clapper was asked directly on cnn if he leaked the dossier. watch. >> i mean, i talked about it after i left the government. but not during that period. and certainly not between the sixth of january and the tenth when the president-elect himself talked about it. >> house republicans on the intel committee also interviewed james clapper for that report which was released last friday. the report says clapper flatly denied leak and contents of the dossier in early january, but
quoting again clapper subsequently acknowledged discussing the dossier with cnn journalist jake tapper and admitted he might have spoken with other journalists about the same topic. and lo and behold, the report said that clapper's discussion with jake tapper happened in early january. around the same time that trump was briefed by fbi director comey. six months after clapper talked about the dossier with tapper, the analyst was hired by cnn. >> martha: thank you very much. with markham and your congressman peter king who sits on the house intelligence committee that has been going on. congressman, good to have you here with us. i want to play jonathan turley who's on the show a lot. this is him this morning talking about the timing on what james clapper has said. >> clapper has already admitted that he did speak with cnn. now he is insisting that he didn't speak to any media until january 20th, but he indicated
that he spoke to cnn in early january. cnn reported that high level people had confirmed this information with him. if one of those individuals is klapper, then he has a serious problem. he could be accused again of perjury. >> martha: what did he tell your committee? the house incredible intelligee committee, about the timing of this? >> first, he denied ever speaking to cnn about it. being involved in leaking at all. and then when he was confronted, he said he may have spoken to tapper and it was inconclusive. certainly my impression was that he spoke to jake tapper, somebody at cnn, in early january. that comment to me, is totally -- somebody like that spoken to the media, this is only known by a handful of people. the whole conduct of john brennan and clapper during that period, there were leaks coming from everywhere in the intel community.
this dossier as james comey told the president, the president-elect at the time, see and then had the dossier, there wasn't any excuse to release it, he wanted to give it to the president-elect so he would be aware what's in it. a day or two ago or three days, certainly cnn is going with it. turns out now that clapper did talk to jake tapper during that period so i think there is a real perjury issue. a whole issue of leaks in the intelligence community. >> martha: will you ask him to come back to clarify these things? >> we may now. as far as i'm concerned, this is going to be sent i believe to the justice department. they should look at it. it's really up for them. they had their chance to clarify it if you wanted to. when he was showing it, the direct relation came back and he seemed to be confused. but right now as far as we are concerned, our report is done. the justice department will have it. i believe they should look at it carefully and probably take
action. >> martha: there is a couple of discrepancies too in the story. here's what the cnn report said in january 12th when they broke the story and we know james comey said when he was interviewed for the book that he knew that cnn was looking for a news hook in order to start writing about the dossier because there was sort of generally known there was something out there. but once they sat down with the president and talk to him about it, that gave them the leak that they needed. they said the allegations were presented in a two page synopsis appended on a report on russian interference in the 2016 election. that's how it was in the cnn report. now watch how it is with bret baier. >> cnn reported at the time you handed a two page executive summary from the dossier over to him. >> i did not. >> did not. >> martha: what did you make of that? >> it seems to me these guys need to get their stories straight. that again, to me that whole interview with bret baier by the way it is amazing because comey
was saying things i know is not true. contradicting things he said before. also his lack of knowledge. the confusion. whether it is him. whether it is music. whether it is somebody at cnn. the fact is this as a whole dark period in american intelligence unit what happened between december 6th and january 20th, it's really shameful. half the intelligence community, and i put brennan and clapper in the center of that. comey, i don't know what his whole role is in all of this. but i view very spectacle of brennan and clapper. >> martha: do you think the ig will take a look at this? >> all i know, the ig, does a great job. certainly did an excellent job with andrew mccade. he's going to continue to do it. i think the justice department, the justice department should look at it to me when it comes to that clear contradiction in testimony. >> martha: peter king, congressman, thank you very much. always good to see you. joining me now is judge event of
-- former independent console. and a former senior advisor to hillary clinton. welcome, gentlemen. i just want to play the sound bite from president trump when he spoke to "fox & friends" last week in regards to the justice department. >> very disappointed in my justice department. but because of the fact it's going on and i think you'll understand this, i have decided that i won't be involved. i may change my mind at some point because what's going on is a disgrace. it's an absolute disgrace. >> martha: what did you make of that comment? >> i think the president is frustrated. and he should be. i think what's going to happen, martha, apropos of comey's comments and clapper is a parent lying john huber, who's been selected to show the pfizer illegality will be investigating all the things that we just talked about. the grand jury subpoena will issue from mr. comey, mr. clapper, and mr. brennan.
pending the grand jury's appeaser, i think mr. klapper and mr. comey and mr. brennan should have the root security cd until the grand jury and justice department make determinations about their responsibility. their conduct from disclosed invitations conversations violated the standards for maintaining security clearance and the current director of national intelligence, dan coats, should revoke all of their security clearances pending the grand jury outcome. >> martha: what do you think about that? >> a couple of things. first, i agree with congressman king when he says this is a very dark period of american intelligence in the sense of the last 15 months it's been very politicized. i don't think that's good for america. i want to look at what president trump just said. he said "my justice department." do you know what? that's key. for 15 months now, he has been
president. attorney general sessions is as an appointee the deputy generate -- they are all his appointees. the notion on the one hand that he is being persecuted by them, which is something that mr. mr. genova believes and believes is being framed, and in other hand he's in charge of the place, doesn't make sense. if it was hillary clinton as president and me as a white house advisor and chelsea clinton as attorney general, i'd understand the notion of, like, they can't be fair, they are picking on me. i don't understand it now. >> martha: joe, what do you say to that? >> i think the president's frustration stems from the fact that the appointment of mr. mueller in my opinion should have never occurred because when mr. rosenstein appointed him, there is no evidence of a crime. indeed, he mentioned no crime in the appointment papers. i do think what's going to happen now is the people at the justice department is doing their jobs. they sent it out to mr. huber
who has what that will be the single most single investigation at all. i agree with philippe. those 15 months have been just awful. i will tell you this. i think the worst part of and american intelligence and law enforcement came july 5th 2016 when james comey usurped the functions of the attorney general. that was the darkest day in american law enforcement in 100 years. >> martha: that is what the inspector general is looking into in terms of that part of the investigation. i want to ask you both a question about this nobel prize, because we talked about the award that cnn was given for putting the steele dossier into the lexicon the other night. there is a suggestion by the president of south korea that president trump should win the nobel peace prize. the only thing we need is peace. philippe, what do you think about that? he should be considered for that. >> he could be considered. [laughs] i don't know what to say -- i do want to say because i'll never
get a chance to say it again that i wholeheartedly agree with joe and evolve what he said about jim comey's behavior on july 6, 2016. on the nobel, look at what's happening with north korea is important. let's let it play out. i don't think anybody is doing this for the prize. >> martha: it's certainly jumping the gun, anybody would say that. it certainly reminds people of perhaps when the nobel committee jumped the gun and giving one to president obama. he thought it was too soon, but he said they gave it to him because he was trying to lower the temperature in terms of nuclear war in the world and joe, it looks like the president is making some at least some progress. >> the president has changed the paradigm and has made great success and momentum right now in north korea. let's all keep our fingers crossed. nothing has been finally accomplished, but i must say. looking at it right now, we are at an amazing spot in the history of the relationship is between north and south korea.
and it's all because of trump's aggressive agenda. >> martha: it would be pretty hard for the committee not to consider it since the president of south korea is the one who is suggesting they should. that will be interesting to watch. >> i've been to the dmz. i very much think he would enjoy it. that's where it should be. >> martha: i think they have an agreement on it. >> the president tweeted it. >> martha: an amazing tv event to be sure. thank you, guys. good to see you both. coming up tonight, the controversial comments you haven't heard from the white house correspondents dinner. >> mike pence is also very antichoice. he thinks abortion is murder. which, first of all, don't knock it till you try it. >> martha: i don't know what to say about that. ben shapiro is just one of those who are outraged by that so-called joke. he's going to be here with his very unique take on what happened. plus the standoff in the border as thousands of illegals say they aren't going anywhere until
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>> we've been watching with great interest the advance of the so-called caravan. we are grateful for the efforts, particularly of this weekend, that or border patrol has been making in ensuring that those 150 individuals who are still part of the caravan are dealt with in a manner consistent with the law. and that our laws are enforced. a nation without borders is not a nation. as the president has said many times. >> martha: vice president mike pence in calexico california where part of the border wall is being built in n the different parts along the mexico border is this a showdown that was so dramatic over the weekend, you can see everybody camped out there. that is a migrant caravan he mentioned in a holding pattern tonight as they try to seek asylum in the united states. jamie chambers of our fox affiliate is live at the sight in california. hi, jamie. good evening. >> martha, we are looking up behind us is the west pedestrian entry. these are a lot of folks
waiting, trying to determine what's going to happen with all these immigrants, lots of these people waiting for their friends on the other side of their border. a lot of these are commuters who walk through what they described is a refugee-like status for those immigrants who have traveled for over a month just to get to the rear league, footsteps of san diego. so many people trying to figure out how they can seek asylum, get in there. but on sunday night when they got here, all of the beds were the 319 beds here for the border patrol were completely filled up, so the process is certainly being delayed, if not stopped. we are still waiting to see when this process will start in earnest. speaking of the people who walk through these folks, there's a lot of empathy, a lot of sympathy with the plight they are dealing with. all of them saying they would try to do exactly the same thing, try to get to the united states, try to celebrate some sort of new life in the countries they are coming through. but there are people understanding that these are rules and laws, the united states government to make sure they have a process in
telling some of those folks to go back to the mncs from their countries and start the process legally. everybody here in san diego trying to determine exactly what will happen next. i'm jamie chambers. fox news. >> martha: short while ago, president trump tweeted, "the migrant caravan that is openly defying our border shows how weak can effective use immigration laws are. yet jon tester voted to protect century cities. we need lawmakers will put america first. elma." the president going after jon tester for a number of reasons including the ronnie jackson situation. here with jason chaffetz, former chairman of the house oversight committee and francisco hernandez, immigration attorney. one of the things the layout here is these are people seeking asylum. there is a process to seek asylum. they have to wait in line until they can go through that process. right, jason? >> yes. they can claim asylum and go to
united states embassy in the country of oregon. there is this principle where they just do not get the caravan country to country and state to state and figure out where they want to go. when you are trying to escape the oppression, you need to stop where you are free of that oppression. >> martha: francisco, what do you say about that? they came mostly from honduras. once they got into mexico, they were free of the oppression they wear under according to them in their situation, the application, in honduras and guatemala? >> actually, no. mexico does not have a political asylum process like we do. what we are talking about is these folks are trying to apply to come here illegally. the problem with applying at the embassy in honduras is if they are turned away, we are turning them away to the very same people that are prosecuting them, who are going to kill them, narco trafficker, cartels. the problem is that neither country can admit that honduras cannot guarantee the safety of its citizens. we have to let everyone in.
>> we have a million people who legally and lawfully come to this country and we are failing the people who are trying to do it legally. they just want to go through the door. >> no, but there is no process where these folks can apply to come here other than knock on the door. look, they can try to pay a smuggler to cross them with a tunnel or a tall ladder, but the problem is they are trying to apply to come here legally. >> martha: yeah, but francisco, that's what we are talking about. there is a process. there are 150 and 60 of them. they are already processing some 300 people, as you just heard in the report. the fact of the matter is, you have to wait your turn. you have to go to the application process. >> correct. >> martha: whatever percentage of them may actually be granted asylum based on their situation. we know they are being advised in terms of how to work that system. but they are in the process. >> the proof is in the pudding. they are going to be able to
have proof of the persecution. about 75% of all honduran applications are denied anyway. the question is what are we going to do with them. but you have to go back to the fact that they are trying to apply to come here legally. if you don't like the asylum laws, change them. i agree. >> martha: jason, my question why are they denied? >> again, he makes a point. >> need to change the law. >> the law is working. these want to break the law. they can go to the united states and busy in honduras. >> you cannot apply in the united states embassy in honduras! they will not let them apply! you've got to be able to get in the door. here, they are knocking on the door to apply here legally. can y'all not get the point? you want to obey the obey the law, you do not like the old law of political asylum! >> martha: sound like they will have to wait their turn and that's what's happening. >> that's what they are doing. so why are we complaining? >> martha: thank you, both. thank you. we are less than 24 hours away
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this is north korean leaders kim jong un beginning to soften his tone, telling south koreans that, "i know the americans are inherently dispose with us, but when they talk with us they will see i'm not the kind of person who will shoot you nuclear weapons to the south, over the specific, or at the united states." the guy who was once dubbed "little rocket man" by trump may actually be speaking the language of a peacemaker, at least at this point. i sat down with south carolina senator lindsey graham, a member of the armed services and judiciary committee. watch. first of all, on the location. do you agree with president trump, the dmz is the best place to do this? >> the war has never ended. we are in a place of his hostilities. i like the idea of where the armistice was signed is where you end the war. if this doesn't work out, peace or war is not your option. there is no middle ground. >> martha: if this does not work out is what the president talked about. he said i will meet with him.
if he doesn't give us what we want which is a real guarantee, a verifiable guarantee that they are denuclearize. not that they will, right? that is the deal. >> kim jong un is playing with fire. if he wants to meet with trump and he doesn't deliver and he tries to play trump like his family has played other presidents, that's the worst thing he can do. this president is serious about making sure they will never have a nuclear weapon to hit the homeland. signing a peace treaty for giving up north korean nukes makes sense. trump should get the nobel peace prize if that happens. but don't play trump. we are going to play nice with north korea. >> martha: can he get some kind of protection promise because he looks at what happened to qaddafi and that's a concern for the dear leader. >> the dear leader has a choice to make. before he thought the best place to survive is to have a weapon that can hit america, and along comes trump.
trump says he'll never let him have active ability. an understanding he will end the war, between south korea, u.s., china, united states. we are not going to invade north korea, but having a tree to recommending them as a separate country, try to normalize relationships, and for that you have to go to your nukes. i think that's a good deal for everybody. >> martha: i do want to play something else for you. this is benjamin netanyahu, the prime minister of israel today. let's watch. >> the wrong deal, the nuclear >> the iran deal with a nuclear deal, is based on lies. it's based on a rainy and deception. in a few days' time, president trump will decide, will make a decision on what to do with the nuclear deal. i'm sure he will do the right thing. the right thing for the united states. the right thing for israel. and the right thing for the peace of the world. >> martha: he says there is no evidence that they have
continued elements of the program. this is from the foreign minister in iran. he says, "trump is jumping on a rehash of old allegations already doubt with the iaea. our coordinated renovations by the boy who cries wolf before may 12, but trump's and pension winds to celebrate blue the cover." >> in the past, have you tried to build a nuclear weapon, they will say no, they are liars. you don't build our plans at the bottom of a mountain. they had a nuclear program. they were testing weapons, a detonation device, on a military base. their whole program was to get a nuclear weapon. what would they do with it? they've been lying about their ambitions toward a nuclear weapon. but they are not lying about what they would do. they write on to their missiles, death to israel, death to america. you have to understand that the ayatollah is a religious. this guy is a religious fanatic.
the day we voted on the nuclear deal in the senate, he tweeted out, a la willing, the zionist state will not exist 25 years from now. so we -- it's terrible for israel, the arabs, and us. i would get out if i could not get a better deal. >> martha: do you think there is any appetite in washington to redo this deal in a bipartisan way? >> yes. >> martha: really? >> trump said three things need to change to make it a good deal. you can expect anywhere in iran including their nuclear bases, so they cannot allow access to a military bases. the missile program has to be part of the deal. the sunset clause, 50 years from now all the inspectors leave iran and they can march toward a nuclear weapon without achieving, you have to change those three things for the one thing that i may say to my democrat colleagues. you may have done this in good fakery you thought they would be a better nation. they have captured our sailors
on the high sea and emulated them since the deal. they testfired weapons in violation of the u.n. revolutio revolution. they have dismembered syria. they have taken over yemen. they constantly threaten israel, threaten israel. they have given has below 160,000 rockets. everything they've done since the deal shows they do not want peace, they really have a war agenda. >> you think there will be democrats coming to the table in that? >> chris said he was right for trump to make -- if you do not get behind the president's desire to get behind, i will work with you to ask the president to give them 90 more days instead of withdrawing on may the 12th, if i can get democrats to support the idea of the deal needs to be change, i would ask the president to give us 90 days, pompeo, 90 days after may 12 to see if the europeans can come on board to the french. you think it's insane to get out of this place may i say it's
insane to stay the way it is. >> martha: always good to see you. here's a question for you. is this a joke? >> mike pence is also very anti-choice. he thinks abortion is murder. which, first of all, don't knock it till you try it. >> martha: wow. ben shapiro says that is just plain evil. and he is here to tell you what he things after what happened on saturday night. plus ahead of fox's g.o.p. senate primary debate. attorney general patrick morrissey, two of the three both here telling you what to expect. no. with claim rateguard your rates won't go up just beacuase of a claim. i totally could've... (wife) nope! switching to allstate is worth it. but he hasoke up wwork to do.in. so he took aleve. if he'd taken tylenol,
be in it. >> martha: a lot of money pouring into the race. he's 1 of 3 candidates who made the cut for tomorrow's big fox news west virginia primary debate hosted by yours truly and bret baier fly from morgantown, west virginia, at 6:30 p.m. tomorrow night. they candidates decided by fox polling will be part of that and you'll see the three of them. don blankenship will be joined by west virginia attorney general patrick morrissey and west virginia congressman evan jenkins. we begin tonight with congressman evan jenkins. sir, welcome. it's good to have you with us tonight. we are going to have time for a lot of questions -- >> it's good to be here with you, martha. >> martha: i have a couple of quick ones you this evening that will give everybody a sort of preview. what's interesting is you and morrissey are really going at each other really hard in this campaign. you seem to be ignoring don blankenship a bit. i guess if you like the
republicans are taking care a lot of advocates. here's one that you just ran. let's play about ten seconds of this. >> pat morrissey betrayed donald trump. scheming again trump's campaign and west in west virginia. denying art choice for president. morrissey refused to support trump over hillary. >> martha: you know the patrick morrissey is fighting back. he doesn't like that at all. he said your campaign photoshop is a photo with donald trump and substituted it with hillary, he's said he's always strongly opposed and wants to know if you'll be called out for lying, dishonesty, where is the countability. what you say about that ada? >> patrick morrissey needs to be honest with the people of west virginia. patrick morrissey didn't even vote for donald trump in the primary. he was the delegate to the national convention, would not commit for about 2.5 months. he was a never-trumper. he surrounded by all the other folks who are never-trumpers.
patrick morrissey has never been a trusted supporter of donald trump. i have been. when they were throwing him under the bus before the november election, patrick morrisey was denying affiliation with donald trump. donald trump, our president needs a trusted partner and i am that. >> martha: we are going to hear from mr. morrissey in a moment. we'll give them a chance to respond. the obvious question for you then becomes, you used to be a democrat. what changed your mind? why did you become a republican a democrat a couple of times? >> you know what? west virginia has -- west virginia voted for donald trump overwhelmingly. patrick morrisey actually stood next to me four years ago and endorsed my candidacy for the u.s. congress. my past doesn't bother him back then when he endorsed me and said i was great for west virginia to represent them in washington.
what is change since patrick morrisey now has been abandoning his attorney general -- me when i'm just asking about you. i am asking why your change of heart, why did you switch from being a democrat to the republican? >> because i am the true west virginia. i'm the west virginia story, standing up for what we believe. barack obama was devastating for west virginia. he put literally tens and thousands of coal miners out of work, tried to infringe on our second moment, abortion on demand, it's outrageous. i can't be a part of that. i'm proud to be a republican, proud to be a conservative, proud to be the only one in this race who actually supported donald trump and is working with him each and every day. >> martha: congressman jenkins, thank you very much. just a preview of what we are going to see tomorrow night. thank you for being here. we look forward seeing you tomorrow night on the big stage. now we have west virginia attorney patrick morrisey. i just want to tell everybody at home that we have a little bit of delay in a single, so there's
going to be hesitation between my questions and your answer. the first of all, what do you say to evan jenkins who you just heard? he said you wouldn't come around the, you never supported president trump during the 2016 election and didn't vote for hi him. >> well, like most west virginians know that evan jenkins is just really stretching the truth at a level he couldn't possibly imagine. first, i was a member of the electoral college that supported donald trump. evan jenkins cannot say that. that position is actually reserved for those who are really trusted to vote for the president. so not only did i vote for him in the electoral college, i voted for him at the convention. i did ads comparing myself to him in the 2016 campaign. what you really have here is a very desperate candidate evan jenkins, his liberal background is being exposed. evan lincoln jenkins was for planned parenthood, stumped for
john kerry, rallied for hillary clinton, supported nancy pelosi. this is a very liberal background. i think as more west virginians are learning about my conservative record, standing up for the unborn, most people need to know that i am the only endorsed candidate in this race by west virginians for life and the second of them in all the conservatives are coalescing behind my candidacy. as that happens, i think evan jenkins is just getting very desperate making up a lot of lies. i think fox did a very good job earlier today calling evan jenkins out on photo shopping and add when evan jenkins was the one who rallied for here we clinton. i think people are seeing through his nonsense. i think next tuesday we are looking forward to having a good win if the people of west virginia grant it to us. >> martha: you guys are going at each other pretty hard. everybody got a taste of that and people will see it tomorrow night, a very intense battle going on in west virginia.
neither one of you two seem to be talking about don blankenship. why is that? >> look, i think right now i'm putting forth my positive conservative vision for the state of west virginia. i think you are seeing both out of don blankenship and evan jenkins are a lot of the attack ads. we had a lot of positive ads up. we have some contrast as well. but i am emphasizing my record because i'm the only one in the race that has the proven conservative record and the conservative endorsements. i think late last week with senator ted cruz coming on board, senator rand paul. obviously all the major conservative leaders in the state are rallying behind my candidacy. that is why we project a very positive vision that don blankenship can. >> martha: we will see. beagle he has a very deep liberal past. >> martha: i promise you you will have more time tomorrow night and we look forward to having you all on stage, all of these gentlemen who hope to beat
joe manchin in turn west virginia into a republican senate state, so we'll see how this turns out. don't miss it. tomorrow night, west virginia senator debate. me, fred, starting 6:30 and it will cross into "the story" at 7:30 tomorrow night. it's going to be fun. nothing was left sacred at the white house correspondents dinner. i was about 10 feet away from where all of that happened. but the jokes that you really haven't heard too much about today was one on abortion, if you can believe it or not. a nice evening, supposedly come out in washington. our next guest ben shapiro the editor in chief of "the daily wire" has thoughts on this and he is my guest next. >> i know a lot of you are very antiabortion. you know, unless it's the one you got for your secret mistres mistress. you wouldn't accept an incomplete job from any one else. why accept it from your allergy pills?
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more. and the thought from michelle wolf's roast has mainly been focused on the insults toward sarah sanders and a lot of intention rightfully cerro has been given to that. what about the controversial so-called jokes about abortion? what? >> mike pence is also very anti-choice. he thinks abortion is murder. which, first of all, don't knock it till you try it. and when you do try it, really knock it. you know. you've got to get that baby out of there. yeah, sure. you can ground all you want. i know a lot of you are very antiabortion. unless, you know, it's the one you got for your secret mistres mistress. it's fun how values can waiver. but good for you. >> martha: wow. i don't remember that many people laughing as i heard on that track, i don't know where they were in the room. my next guest wasn't laughing.
ben shapiro joins me now. editor-in-chief of thewire.com. all of that got lost in the spin, but that did not get lost from you. >> that was the most egregious joke of the night. it's one thing to go after the members of the it administration in the most egregious fashion and that happen, but i was troubled there was a lot of people openly joking about killing a baby. openly joking about killing babies. the joke was saying that you need to knock the baby hard to get it out of there. a joke is a joke, but i'm not sure where the humor in that lies. i don't think i'm just being humorless. i think some of the other jokes believe it or not were kind of funny beer that one i didn't think was funny at all. again, the fact that she was saying, don't knock abortion -- substitute slavery for a motion. really, when you knock it, knock it hard because black people and really people. it's very awkward and terrible. and evil. it's amazing how many people on the left see i'm okay with that.
>> martha: it was an awful and strange moment and it prompted some people to walk out and other people laughed as you heard on the tractor is liberating, apparently, for some because kathy griffin said, she's tired of being nice, she's tired of being asked to apologize for president bush for the severed head thing. here she is. >> it's been a year this month since that picture was released. >> by the way, i take the apology back. [bleep]. [cheers and applause] >> martha: i meant to say apologize to trump. but what did you think about that, ben? >> kathy griffin has been a charmer for a very long time. it's not really shocking. >> martha: that's so charming. >> the fact that kathy griffin's taking it back -- the only person who did well last night was michelle wolf. we are still talking about her on monday. stephen colbert did this nasty routine in 2005 about president bush and he has david letterman's old spot. there's going to be a lot of niceness towards her, the left
will defend her and she'll be seen as someone who spoke truth to power in front of those powerful people in the world even though, i'm sorry, but speaking in front of a bunch of leftist journalists at a cocktail party is not social media type stuff. >> martha: nobody cares what goes on in that dinner, that's for sure. you look at these dinners and you wonder, you know, what happened to roasting? in my mind, roasting is a acerbic embrace. it supposed to make everybody feel like they get the funny things that are annoying about each other. roasting is an art. but that's not what we would saw on saturday night. >> that's right. again, if she wants to rest members of the trump administration, i think it's pretty nasty. by the same token for the white house to complain about a nasty comment when president trump has had some things is a little bit ridiculous. but at the exact same time for the media to riff on president trump for the stuff he's at and defend michelle wolf for the stuff she said, the
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>> martha: so i'm leaving in the morning on a jet plane on my way to west virginia. bret baier and i will be hosting the debate and i think it'll be interesting. i will see you then. now altitude tucker in d.c. now altitude tucker in d.c. >> tucker: good evening and welcome to "tucker carlson tonight." the white house correspondents dinner was held over this weekend for the second year in a row, the president didn't go. the second year in a row, you are glad you didn't go either. we've got ed henry, former president of the white house correspondent associate in an mark steyn to discuss what happened and what it means. but first, over the past month, a caravan of central american migrants has gradually made it up to honduras to mexico all the way to tijuana, opposite san diego. at one point make skin authorities claim they broke up and american media dutifully reported they did.