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that's what counts. but please be safe. that's it for us tonight. "justice with judge jeanine" is next. remember, i'm watters and this is hide world. [♪] judge jeanine: breaking tonight. president trump's attorney rudy giuliani moments away with brand-new reaction to the "new york times" report that white house counsel don mcghan is cooperating extensively with mueller. welcome to justice. i'm jeanine pirro. thanks to all of you for making justice number one last weekend. we have a big show on deck for you. president trump's attorney rudy giuliani, and tom fi tom fittonl standing by live. and my personal tribute to the
queen of soul. when things go terribly wrong and a crime scene, the mafia calls in a cleaner. in the movie "pulp fiction" the cleaner is harvey kietel. when covert missions go wrong the government calls in its own cleaner, and when things go terribly wrong for the democrats, they don't just call in the cleaner to get the job done. they call in someone who has been in the business for a long time. they call in the serial cleaner, former fbi director and now special counsel bob mueller. the details of the trump-hating deep state, as if we needed
further proof that donald trump was being framed, is evidence that bruce ohr, back channeled forbidden information to the department of justice. so after christopher steele is terminated by the fbi, or ignores his own rules of his department and he meets with steele to peddle is fraudulent dossier to justice. the intent to tee up a special counsel investigation. after donald trump gets elected, he inserts himself into trump-russia to get steele in on the mueller team. bob, aren't you embarrassed by this whole fiasco around you? you actually have a 70-year-old
man, paul manafort, put in solitary confinement 23 hours a day on a 2007 tax case having nothing to do with donald trump or russia collusion because you are trying to get him to rat on the president of the united states. you are panicking now, bob. because donald trump's legal team doesn't want him to talk to your team of trump haters. i mean, come on. everybody on your team hates the president. but what i don't get, gob, is how you can sit there under the sanctimonious veil that you are hole holier than thou. why don't you investigate james comey or peter strzok or andrew mccabe or bruce ohr and his wife nelly? his wife had a job with feution
gps, the company hillary funneled her money to to get the take dossier to get dirt on donald trump. here we have bruce ohr not even disclosing that his wife is work for the agency paying for the dossier. bruce, are you side? your position as the government cleaner are etched in the record. after four americans are murder in benghazi, why would you say the fbi couldn't get to benghazi in time. it could two or three weeks? they needed someone who would say the fbi couldn't get to benghazi since it was way too dangerous. bob, you look and sound like a fool. cnn and just about every newspaper in the country, in the world got there.
they made there it, but the fbi couldn't? i get, a good cleaner wants a crime scene as trampled as possible. but you know, bob, we are all getting tired of this and this comes down to your effort to get donald trump indicted and you are panicking. you got nothing. talk of subpoenaing him is ridiculous. and bob you should know better. just between the two of them when you were subpoenaed in the whitey bolger investigation and your justice department argued you were too busy fighting terrorism to talk about 1980s boston. you fought that subpoena and argued the attorney looking to subpoena you just like you are looking to seen a donald trump didn't demonstrate why information from you couldn't be gotten by other means. now ain't that a hoot, bob?
when you were head of the fbi it has 28,000 employees. and you claim you were too busy to testify? donald trump is too busy fighting terrorism for over 320 million americans and protecting us and he doesn't have time for you and your nonsense subpoena either. what's good is good for the gander. and that's my open. if you like my open. you will love my new book. the "new york times" number one best seller. "liars, leaks and liberals." the case against the anti-trump conspiracy. joining me with reaction to my opening statement and all the developing news is president trump's attorney, rudy giuliani. first of all i want to thank you for being with us tonight.
we get this "new york times" article. the "new york times" is suggesting don mcghan, the president's white house counsel is cooperating with the special counsel mueller suggesting the "new york times" suggesting that he's being teeed up to take a fall for the president. what do you think of this? >> you are right the article could sound stwhait. but the reality is the president encouraged all the people who testified to tell the truth. to take as long as they needed to to do that. as long as they did, they would have no problem with the president or us. we have no reason to bleach don mcghan didn't do that. as john dowd, the president's lawyer said, don mcghan was the strongest witness for the president. meaning he completely gave
testimony that said that the president didn't do anything wrong, which the president didn't do anything wrong. judge jeanine: who would plant a story or suggestion or create an effort to legitimize a claim mcghan is trying to take the fall. does it tell you that the "new york times" is making stuff up and is fake news? does it tell you that mueller is starting to panic and starting to get mcghan to work with him? telling him, look, the president is teeing you up for a fall? >> the best analysis would be that the mueller team is panicking. they know they don't have a case. there was in collusion or obstruction. they can't prove it, and they are trying to get the president to testify. and they are hoping that if they put out a story like this in
which they suggest that mcghan is cooperating against him, but don't say it. that he'll want to come in and explain himself. the president wants to testify. the president wants to be open and transparent. otherwise he wouldn't have encouraged 30 witnesses, including mcghan to testify. he wouldn't have turned over 1.4 million documents. he would not have not exerted executive privilege if he didn't believe he didn't do anything wrong. but he's not going to be trapped into perjury. we are not going to allow it to happen, he tells the truth, some other guy is lying and they will believe comey, the guy who is lying. judge jeanine: this is a mcghan statement. president trump through counsel declined to assert any privilege over mr. mcghan's testimony, so mr. mcghan answers special
counsel team's questions fulsomely and honestly as any person questioned by federal investigators must. through his personal counsel they make it clear even the president said, don, you go out and testify, i don't have a problem with that. >> that's absolutely true, judge. the president had no problem with it. if it took one day, to days, three days. i know how often lawyers repeat themselves as you do. particularly if they want to you change your story. i sat through depositions that were four days long that should have been a half-hour. judge jeanine: i think the placement of this story so close to the point where americans are fed up with this investigation of bob mueller and sick of the special counsel. i can't help but think it may
have some connection to the manafort case. we have a tax case from 2007, having nothing to do with russia collusion. manafort is in solitary confinement. do you think mueller is panicking about the verdict in that case? >> look. i don't know. i heard rumors to that effect. i think they shouldn't. whether about manafort is convicted or acquitted or the hung jury, it's the same as our case. i do think like the president does that mr. manafort has been treated horribly. this is not a terrorist. this is not a killer. they arrest him in a horrible way. they raid his house and put him in solitary confinement? it's unbelievable. judge jeanine: i never saw anything like this in 30 years.
>> the only one i can remember i had put in solitary confinement was carmine the snake because he offered $400,000 to kill me and i was insulted it was so little money. judge jeanine: i don't mean to laugh. obviously that wasn't going to work. even i wasn't worried about that. but i think they are trying to get donald trump to testify. i think there is a lot more psychology to this story than anything else. when mueller comes out and he says -- one of his people say we have four times more evidence than the rest of the manafort case, that tells me they must be shaking a little. >> i can't say much about that. i can kind of listen to the people giving out rumors and say there may be something to it. but i don't know. the reality is like the president, i feel that
mr. manafort has been treated pretty close to horribly. judge jeanine: i'm sure a lot of people would agree with you. even the judge, t.s. ellis. thanks for take time out of your night. congressman darrell issa joins me. if anybody has the background to talk about bruce ohr it's the former chairman of government oversight and reform. you were a pit bull when you were there. tell me what strikes you as interesting in the bruce ohr, nelly ohr case. >> what strikes me is not the conflict of interest bruce ohr had with his wife work as
essentially an arm of the democratic national committee that created a fake dossier and conspired with people including a former british agent. but who knows how the russian connection goes there. that would bother us enough. what really bothers us is the direct communications. the text. in the deposition we'll be asking how in the world an attorney at the department of justice, any attorney could not disclose those communications and the conflict of interest that he had while doing his job. that's an ethical question that any lawyer out there listening would say, you just don't do that. you don't represent one client when you have got conflicts and not disclose them. judge jeanine: do we have that andrew mccabe also fired where he was getting money from a clinton foundation supporter
terry mcauliffe for his wife. but i want to read something here in the communications we found out about. just wondering if you had any news. this is from you christopher steele to bruce ohr, as to whether or not the fire walls will hold. he's kind of worried about the fact it appears he might be outed here. and then bruce ohr says at some point very concerned about comb christmas firing, afraid they will be exposed. what does this tell you? >> these are the questions we'll be asking behind closed doors. we expect that bruce ohr has to tell us basically yes was in this dialogue. why he was, if you will, conspiring with somebody that was hidden, his role and the fake dossier was hidden from the public and hidden from a judge.
washington has an awful lot of people married to other people and conflicts occur. we understand that. but he didn't disclose those, then obviously the christopher steele direct communication where it appears a little bit, if you will, like strong, where they are basically saying where is the understand policy? i thought we would remain secretive. the secret is out. the secret is the democratic national committee and hillary clinton are the only ones that had a conspiracy and it was a conspiracy to create fake evidence that led to spying on the president's campaign. that's really what happened and what's being covered up in the mueller investigation today. mueller has a specific set of instructions. don't go over to the other side. don't look at that part of the conspiracy, only look at the trump part. judge jeanine: it's really amazing. congressman darrell issa, thank
wi-fi fast enough for the whole family is simple, easy, awesome. in many cultures, young men would stay with their families until their 40's. judge jeanine: the president rightfully stripped the form cia chief john brennan of his security clearance. will the white house revoke more? and who might be next? joining me with reaction, tom fitton. before i get to this question of the security clearances. you are the one -- and i always give you credit -- it just amazes me. but for you we wouldn't know half the stuff we are finding out about. you could write a mystery novel and nobody would believe it from all the evidence you have gotten.
we learn bruce ohr, his wife is being paid by the group that got money from hillary clinton. and he's trying to back channel this from the guy who did the dossier. how are you getting this information and what do you expect to go for next? >> it's interesting. we have three lawsuits for bruce ohr materials pending in federal court. next week we have a court hearing. one judge yelled at the justice department for not moving on a foia request they have been sitting on since december. we have a production of documents due next week. we could be getting more information on bruce ohr next week over the objections of the justice department and with the help of a federal court judge yelling at the department of justice to get their act together and get the records. judge jeanine: there is a
freedom of information act. every time you answer something, it seems like it gets to the core of this russia collusion. donald trump being framed. they say no, no, no. at some point somebody has got to say, they keep saying no, no, no, maybe they are corrupt, too. >> the justice department and the fbi have been covering up for more than a year. the bruce ohr material the:justice department has known by the for a year. you had the affair between page and peter strzok. you have got marital and adulterous conflicts of interest that compromised the russia investigation. it's extraordinary. you talk about a novel. it shows you why the mueller team is so loathe to allow the release of information about
what went on here. this stonewalling isn't about the doj. it's about protecting mueller and allowing his harassing investigation of the trump presidency to continue. judge jeanine: in the "new york times" article from today, it looks like someone is panicking. trying to make it look to don mcghan that donald trump is framing you and teeing you up for the fall. do we know how the dossier got from steele to the fbi? >> it looks like it went through bruce ohr. it looks like it also may have come through the state department through people week sidney blumenthal and that gang. the dossier in many ways has a thousand favorites all associated with the clinton campaign. you can't -- of course mueller
is relying on the dossier as part of his investigation. so the justice department is on the side of the dossier and its authors as opposed to the rule of law and the conspiracy theorists pushing it. judge jeanine: you talked about sidney blumenthal. it reminds me, there was another clinton person with a security clearance who stuffed secrets in his sock. who was that? >> that was sandy berger. judge jeanine: in the next block i'll talk about security clearance. should any of these bozos who have been fired still have security clearances? and what's taking so long? >> it's the deep state. there is a corrupt attitude people can maintain their security clearance even after they don't need them. anyone who end their job at the federal government should lose
their security clearance. this group that gets courtesy security clearance is at odds with the public interests and our national security. >> thanks for mentioning sandy berg. he's a good example of why we should cut security clearance off. judge jeanine: a gofundme for peter strzok. fbi chief john brennan still trashing the president. 200 new.
think is just so reflective of somebody who quite frankly i don't want to use this term. but he's drunk on power. he really is. and i think he's abusing the powers of that office. judge jeanine: does that guy live in crazyville? here with more, the author of "spy gate." dan bongino and chris hahn. chris, let's make one thing clear. you don't have a right to have a security clearance nor are you entitled to leave with a security clearance. the president has an obligation to make sure he protects classified information. so to me it seems that security clearance should be granted to further the national interests. so i get the sense that you would probably say so what, john
brennan should keep his. >> everything you just said is true. the problem here is that the president is using his office to exact retribution on people who disagree with him publicly. this is something he can do unilaterally and he did it. he did it one to retaliate, and two to change the news cycle away from the omarosa topic which has been bothering him all week. he did it for reasons that are not presidential and they are un-american. what the president did to john brennan and what he's threatening to do other people, he's wrong. there is a process to do that in anne a non-political way. judge jeanine: dan, hit it. >> as usual, chris doesn't know what he's talking about.
chris has absolutely zero evidence, zero, that this has anything to do with omarosa. he just said that because it sounded good and he figured he could take a cheap shot at the president. let's be clear about what john brennan's role was in the spygate debacle. this guy should be under federal investigation if he isn't already. he briefed harry reid and the gang of 8. he briefed harry reid at the end of august. harry reid goes and writes a letter to the fbi. information in that letter was only in the dossier. was john brennan the cia director not supposed to be spying on innocent citizens? was he the purveyor of this fake dossier? judge jeanine: what about the fact brennan lied before senate
intel. if only for that he should be charged with perjury. >> then there is a process to get rid of his security clearance whiched president did not employ. he chose to do it for spite. judge jeanine: how do you know that? >> john brennan is a man who oversaw the mission that killed bin laden. and he served for 50 years. the president who has five deferments from vietnam should not be pulling his security clearance. judge jeanine: you can read about this in terms of the swamp, this guy is pond scum. i describe him in the book if you want to know about him. >> john brennan served the country. i was a secret service agent,
too. i'm not asking you for a pat on the back. >> he killed bin laden. judge jeanine: o'neill did. >> john brennan oversaw the mission that killed bin laden. >> in the violation of donald trump's fourth amendment rights, john brennan is also the guy who is deeply embedded in the skying scandal for the iran deal. this is the same defense given to bob mueller despite the obvious evidence that the case is a witch hunt. he served the country and i honor him for that. but that doesn't mean we overlook malfeasance or misfeasance. >> i hear you and the president has the right. these are the kind of actions that get people worried about the president. and november is coming. these are the things that will
be on voters' mind when they make a choice in november. judge jeanine: should bruce ohr have his security clearances vacated, chris? >> i think there is a process. judge jeanine: i know there is a process. what do you think? you are here for your state of mind. what do you think, yes or no? >> i think he should keep his security clearance and let the process play out. jenna: should hillary clinton who exposed all our classified information on her personal server that was like an open orchid to the hacker guccifer. should she keep her security clearance? and why isn't she on the list. >> should the president who uses a non-secure cell phone lose his security clearance? if we are going down that road, let's go down it.
>> he can't answer the question ever. bruce ohr. let's be crystal clear. the number four ranging official in the justice department. chris doesn't know the facts. the fbi deemed not suitable for use. he brought him right in the back door and took a source to the fbi. >> chris does not know the facts, judge, and he gets away with this every time. >> i do know the facts. judge jeanine: next week you are both coming on set. we can duke it out. how's that. he's making this up. christopher steele called not suitable for use. >> which republican candidate
started the dossier. that's what we have to find out in a hearing. i hope that comes out. judge jeanine: if you want to learn more about john brennan in my new book liars, leakers, and liberals, get on amazon. coming up. >> we are not going to make america great again. it was never that great. judge jeanine: never that great. you can probably guess how i feel about what that new york governor said. but i want to know what you think. my name is jeff sheldon,
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will never be great again. >> that's awful. >> it's a wonderful place to live. i can't believe anyone would say it has never been great. >> america has always been great and it's only getting better. judge jeanine: why would someone who is a governor of a state talk like that. >> it's disgusting and embarrassing. >> completely inaccurate. i think it's amazing where i live in a country where i get to choose what i want to do in life. i can start in college and take whatever career path i want. judge jeanine: the governor says america has never been great and will never be great again. >> i disagree, this is a great country. >> no governor should ever say such a thing. ever, ever. >> mere america, this is a peace, love country. piece, love and support always.
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judge jeanine: as usual there are almost too many outrageous comments to choose from. but i have to include this one. >> how many people in the republican party think it would be okay for donald trump to dissolve their own grandparents. i'm certain you would get 10% saying donald trump can kill my parents. judge jeanine: the founder of the walkaway campaign, brandon.
>> i'm a proud trump supporter and i love my grandma margaret. here are the pseudointellectual reporters in the liberal media that can't fathom the idea that there are trump supporters that are smarter than they are. trump supporters are self-aware enough to know what's being read between the lines. they are trying to show trump supporters what will it take to get you to part ways with this man. judge jeanine: this guy is like a mass murderer. >> i think trump supporters are almost trolling these people. they know what's going on and it's a joke. judge jeanine: peter strzok is the guy who started the counter-intelligence operation. this is the funny part of the
show. he has a gofundme page that raised $435,000. he got fired by the fbi, you are carrying on an affair. now you have got almost half a million bucs. >> liberals hate mayor the president more than they love america. and that includes our government institutions. they are willing to actually part with their money. a fool and their money are soon parted and we are seeing this now. he won't see any of this money anyway. all the money will go to his attorneys. he'll spends the rest of his life behind bars. judge jeanine: i have got to tell you i don't have as much confidence in the justice department. omarosa outrage. listen. >> there is one way to shut donald trump down.
that is to don't give him oxygen. oxygen comes from the clicks, the likes, the shocks. the discussion. if you ignore him, then you starve him of the thing he loves the most of which is controversy and attention. >> i love this one. so omorosa is giving us the key which is don't write about him she says in her 365 page book about truck. don't talk about him as she says in her press junket. judge jeanine: when she exposed herself who she really is, that the president hired her. >> absolutely. watching omarosa. this tickles me, what we are seeing is a reverse walkaway. we are seeing someone leave the administration and go to the left. it's very, very tragic.
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>> we just hope one no one in the doc committee is watching. does this president really, physically not like dogs? >> is the first president and more than 100 years to not have a dog. >> we launched an extensive web search that took us a few minutes and we could only find one photo in all the land of donald trump with a dog. >> we've been making light of the president not wanting to have a dog in the house but it's deadly serious what he does with that word. greg: that is just inaccurate. bill clinton was the last dog in the white house. [cheering and applause]