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>> melissa: think you to matt schlapp, a great day to have you on the couch. we are back here at noon eastern tomorrow. here's harris. >> harris: let's get to the breaking news now. america, remembering our 41st president as the body of president george h.w. bush is being flown to washington, d.c., right now. aboard air force one. we go "outnumbered overtime." i'm harris faulkner. the final trip to washington. the casket, carrying george hw but it's headed to the nation's capital after a departure ceremony involving his family in houston, texas. he sought hear it live on fox. his remains or is your means will lie and say that the capitol rotunda, a final farewell before a state funeral at the national cathedral on wednesday. his son, president george w. bush come on
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his father's life. speak of the mission was not george h.w. bush. the mission was, how do we serve the united states? it's really one of the most important things for americans to understand. dad taught me this. therefore, one of the jobs is to strengthen the institution of the presidency. bring honor to the office. that, clearly, george h.w. bush did. i think he's going to go down as the greatest one-term president ever. >> harris: chief congressional correspondent mike emanuel come alive for us from capitol hill. a big week. >> no question, harris. good afternoon to you. the scene shifts to washington, and later today, to capitol hill. the body of president george herbert walker bush and his family flying to washington on what is being described a special air mission 41. the general public will salute the 41st president for his lifetime of service to this country. his former political rival,
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president bill clinton, talked about the tremendous bond between them. >> it's been one of the great joys of my life, my friendship with him. our arguments were good-natured and open, and we continued to debate things all the way up until recently. >> present trimble attend wednesday's funeral. despite differences between the bush family of the 45th president, mr. bush won a trump at his funeral. president trump praised george w. bush him for his unflappable leadership. he praised president bush for his skills in foreign policy. >> you have chaos, potentially. the former soviet union. and russia. uncertainty in europe. all of those things could have gone haywire at any point, and the strength and the caution and
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the lack of spiking the football that they showed was, i think, and enormous achievement achievements. >> fox news has confirmed that former president george w. bush, brian mulrooney, former wyoming senator alan simpson, and presidential historian john meacham will eulogize the 41st president during wednesday's funeral service at the national cathedral. all part of america saying goodbye to the final president from the greatest generation era. harris? >> harris: mike emanuel, thank you very much. my first guest says he has lost a hero and his northstar. walker stapleton, e cousin of george herbert walker bush, is colorado state treasurer. he was the g.o.p. nominee for governor this fall. great to see you. >> thanks for having me, harris. >> harris: i have a list of touch points, but i want to start with this. the former president had wanted to spend one last summer in maine, and you were with him. >> i did get a chance to spend
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some time with him in june, in the midst of a pretty hectic campaign schedule myself. but he was determined to get to maine. he wanted to get there as soon as possible last summer. maine is really his anchor. it's his family's spot, where all the folks generationally that love him are able to gather around him. and provide him strength. he loves the sea air. you want to be a family. i think, one last time. he was determined to get there, and he got there. he was able to spend one last great summer with the family in maine. >> harris: was there a message or a resounding series of words that he was sharing with people, on this final summer in maine? >> he is somebody that i had the privilege of knowing through 44 years of life, really. i have a letter on the wall on my son 'wall that he wrote to my parents the day after i was bor. his kindness was something that all of us in his family were the
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beneficiaries of. as he got older, because of his parkinson's, he wasn't able to speak in long sentences. it became an even better listener. he was already a really good listener, he became a better one. he imparted words of wisdom to me about being yourself. be true to yourself. treat people with dignity and respect. he was one of the kindest individuals i will ever know in this life. he carried himself with a selflessness that i think is rarely seen among people who have achieved so much. i will treasure the times that i spent with him. they always ended with "i love you." and he will say i love you back, or i love you too. love for his family, look for his god. he was a man of faith his entire life. he could actually -- he had an amazing ability to be having a really good important foreign
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policy discussion with a world leader in one room and a family barbecue out on the back deck. he could transition between very important matters of state and discuss what happened in the red sox game the night before. >> harris: [laughs] some of the pictures were seen on the left-hand side, you have provided for us today to share with our audience. many of them are younger versions of you, although you are very young already, walker. >> much younger. >> harris: [laughs] much younger versions of you. i just wonder, of course, pictures capture is in those moments normally when we are smiling. but, what made your cousin laug laugh? >> he had amazing sense of humo humor. he did all sorts of irreverent things that would crack people up. i think as people get older, one of the biggest fears is -- will your kids or grandkids want to be around you? i can tell you that his kids and grandkids wanted to be around him every moment. but it wasn't just them, it was his nieces and his nephews and
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his cousins and his extended family. because he made time for all of us. i am so fortunate and blessed to have dozens of his letters, involving a kid believing me in grade school. when i graduated from college. he had such care for the individuals and his family. really, for people outside of his family. there were the important letters that you've talked about that he left for president clinton, but there are also the letters that he sent to somebody who pressed his suit, or somebody that nobody else paid attention to. somebody that waited on his table. that's the type of person that george bush 41 was. he was a voracious better-lighter. because he could personally express how he could do not care for people in his life. >> harris: were choking dumb like taking a look at pictures for the president's remains onto a blue truck that was then loaded onto air force one. as it's about two and half hours away from landing in washington, d.c., now. we've gotten some ideas of what the coming days will bring.
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one touching picture -- and i wondered if you could talk about his health in the later years. because he had a service dog, sully. this picture has gone viral on the internet. beneath his casket before it was loaded onto air force one today. just your thoughts on his health, and how battled through it? >> uncle george and aunt bar, they had dogs and animals around them. there was merely during the white house years, there was bb, and some of the dogs weren't as friendly as others. sully was president bush's last dog, and a service dog. he always wanted to have dogs around him. i think the dog reflects his compassion and his love and his caring. clearly, i saw that picture that jim mcgrath tweeted out and he was somebody that had such a wellspring for other people.
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it was genuine love. i remember during his white house years, he went and eulogized a guy name woodrow willoughby who was a white house elevator operator that most people didn't pay any attention and or mind to. he went out to the south and attended his funeral, because he had really become family. i was able to be with him in 1992 when he went to the houston astrodome to deliver his speech for reelection as president. and ride with him in the car. but that's not what i remember. what i remember is he wouldn't leave a room because a spouse of a staff member had cancer. all his advisors were single because you got to get in the car, you will be late to this speech." and he said "no, this is more important." that was george bush. he always cared about putting the other guy first. giving credit to others before giving credit to himself. he had to coax it out of him, to have them talk about himself. he was so unfailingly humble and gracious and selfless and kind, that he really cared so much more about people than he ever
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did about politics. >> harris: walker stapleton, so good to get your perspective on all of that love that you shared with the former president and his final summer in maine, as well. we appreciate you. truly blessed. we are blessed to have you in the program. thank you. i want to bring in, now, the former president's lasting impact and legacy compensation that i'm eager to have with fox news chief political anchor, in the anchor of special report, bret baier. bret, great to see you. i know that you and martha maccallum will start the coverage. as you go forward, and we continue to memorialize and remember this former president, i want to look ahead at what will change in washington, d.c. the civility that he was part of. can we bring it back? >> that's a great question, harris. i do think that this moment in time -- when we see, starting today, the casket arriving here in washington. the ceremony in the rotunda, and
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getting to wednesday and the national cathedral service. i think it will be a time to reflect. my microphone just dropped off. but i will put it back on. >> harris: there you go. now we've got you! >> a time to remember, to reflect, and a time to perhaps say "this is possible, reaching across the aisle." we will see how long that lasts. it's a different time, now. it's important to note that a lot has transpired, in the way that the politics runs. they will be a lot of people, i think i'm at the end of this week, who say "this feels good to look back at reaching across the aisle. it's good to see republicans and democrats come together to honor somebody." but, most likely, it will go back to -- [laughs] fighting the battles, even the financial ones, as we wait for another possible government shutdown. >> harris: i was just reading a note, democrats now are saying that they want to push for a week instead of that to be
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concession. we'll see what happens. reaching across the aisle, not just symbolic. it is necessary for the former president hw bush. he didn't have years leading up to that first midterm, a year and a half or whatever it's been. where he had bicameral leadership of the same party. you would say that his efforts to prevent a recession didn't work. there was a recession during that time. it cleared up before the election, but really the beneficiary of all of that was bill clinton. he went on to preside over an economy that starts to boom, really. in essence. george h.w. bush's biggest legacy, perhaps, is going to be on foreign policy. and his ability to get the coalition and the first goal forward, but to handle that transition in fighting
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communism. after the wall falls down. >> harris: since you mention coalition, matt schlapp of cpac and other various leadership positions in the republican party was just on with us on outnumbered. he said that you have a coalition right now within the republican party. it's kind of 3-prompt. good conservatives, republicans, and those who support president trump. he didn't have anything like that in terms of a break-apart within the party. but there were challenges even back then in the g.o.p. for the former president. >> their word. listen -- vice president bush was not the first choice for ronald reagan. it was about bringing the party together. they were opponents in the presidential election. as vice president bush becomes president bush, there were still fractions that he had to bring together. he was just really adept at
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those personal notes, those handwritten notes -- you just heard walker talking about them -- and he operated like that inside washington. one quick story about just the former soviet union -- gorbache gorbachev, the wall falls down, bush reaches out to gorbachev and invites them to camp david. gorbachev is weak at that point inside the soviet union. they go play horseshoes at camp david, one of the things that george h.w. bush like to do. the first throw, mikhail gorbachev had the ringer. he gets very important. never had played before. bush takes that horseshoe and dinner presents him a mounted horseshoe plaque, saying "congratulations." gorbachev was one of the first former leaders who is still alive to put out a statement after 41's death friday night, to say thank you for his service and sacrifice.
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>> harris: horseshoe, probably a metaphor for politics as well, i would think, too. bret baier, we will see him at 4:30 p.m. eastern for the next time. i appreciate you being on the program. that's when bret and martha maccallum will incur our special coverage of the ceremony in the u.s. capitol rotunda, where george w. bush will lie in state. leaders of the house and senate will pay their respects, and vice president pence is also scheduled to speak. don't miss a second of it. 4:30 p.m. eastern. and, allies of president trump are ramping up their criticism of special counsel robert mueller. calling his tactics in the russia probe "unethical." how will this play out? now that mueller has his written answers from the president 'legal team? >> this isn't a search for the truth. it's a witch hunt. >> this is what's wrong with the special pound prosecutors and independent counsel. ♪ have served our country honorably.
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>> i think the special prosecutor has stepped over the line, now. with the way he is intimidating people. in order to tell what he believes is his version of the truth. you can only exert a certain amount of pressure before it becomes unethical and destructive. it isn't a search for the truth, it's a witch hunt. >> harris: so why did mikel cohen, his former personal attorney, lie initially? cnn is reporting that that happened because he thought the president would pardon him in exchange for his support under oath. catherine herridge, criminal? >> think you come hair spray this morning on twitter at the president said his former personal attorney michael cohen want special treatment, and this led the special counsel to cut his sentence. "michael cohen asked the judge for no prison time. he makes up stories to get a reduced and already-reduced deal for himself and get his wife and father-in-law who has money off scot-free. he lied for this outcome and should come in my opinion, serve
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a full and complete sentence." this morning in washington, conservative author jerome corsi filed a complaint against the special counsel, accusing investigators of bullying tactics to secure false testimony. dr. corsi has been criminally threatened and coerced to tell a lie and call it the truth, the complaint states. continuing that mueller's office is now knowingly threatening to telogen dogmatic traction with false statement unless he gives false testimony against himself, the president, roger stone, and oth. on fox last week, corsi went even further. >> prosecutors blow you up, they do this, what i call "perjury trap." they ask you a question. they have material they won't show you. you have forgotten about it. they say "you just lied, because this email you forgot about in 2016 proves your current memories wrong." it's a memory test.
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then they accuse you of lying. >> with cohen admitting he lied to congress about a timeline of a moscow real estate project with the discussions ending in june of 2016, not five months earlier in january as he testified. democrats are indicating that they will focus in the new term on the money trail. >> there is no testimony -- there is now a witness who confirms that, in the same way michael flynn was compromised, that the president and his business are compromised. >> it's worth noting that the democrats have really shifted their focus over the last year when it comes to the russian investigation. first, allegations about george papadopoulos who was a one-time drum campaign advisor, and his contacts over the clinton emails. then to the dossier. now it seems pretty firmly focused on the money trail once they take the gavel in january, harris. >> harris: catherine, think you very much. we will now bring in judge andrew napolitano, fox news
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senior judicial analyst. always great to get your expertise on these things. what matters most in all of thi this? >> whether or not the authorities to whom jerome corsi filed his complaint take it seriously. i say that because almost everything that he is accused the prosecutors of doing is standard operating procedure for prosecutors. as you and i have discussed off air, this is the dark side of law enforcement. it is not neat and it is not pretty. prosecutors can coerce. they can threaten. they can live. they can deceive. they can do anything short of actually committing a crime in order to extract evidence from a witness or in order to flip the witness to their side. that's partly what i have tried to do with jerome corsi. >> harris: so that's corsi. let's move onto the personal attorney, michael cohen. you say what matters most to him as the 70 hours he spent with the fbi. >> right. a lot of our friends and colleagues have said "he corrected it in the courtroom."
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the important thing for our analysis is not what michael cohen said to the federal judge last thursday. it's what he said to the fbi in the 70 hours -- >> harris: 70. >> essex that's an extra ordine to spend with them. give it time is the guilty plea coming five days trump submits under oath is written answers to the special prosecutor. i'm going to suggest to you that there must be a contradiction to be the two. the timing could not have been a coincidence. >> harris: rudy giuliani says no, and journalism we call them evergreens. >> he has been very effective at persuading the public to believe -- you just had matt schlapp, who has taken poles on this. >> harris: matt schlapp, head of sea pack. >> right. rudy has been very effective at persuading the public that the indictment or impeachment of
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donald trump is untenable. that doesn't persuade a judge or a jury, but it does persuade the public. that's what rudy has been spending his time doing. he knows the techniques that he's blessing of the same techniques he used when he has achieved federal prosecutor -- >> harris: maybe that's why he's so good at blasting it. he knows how to do it. [laughter] in all fairness, did you kind of have to know with the other side is capable of, based on your own experience? otherwise you can't help it. >> right. that's what he brings to the president. he knows how the government operates. >> harris: here's what is not basic to me -- that's not a new political drumbeat. his meal are fettered by that customer kids already indicated the press it would, anyway. is it okay for people to bang the drum and say "wrap it up," and for him to be fettered by it? >> they can say whatever they want, but it won't influence mueller. evidence does not come to you when you are the prosecutor and
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then orderly fashion. it doesn't come to you signed, sealed, and delivered. you have to corroborate it. those things take time. >> harris: quickly, before have to let you go -- the idea of pardoning as a federal level. not problematic if the president wants to do it legally. >> pardoning who? >> harris: whether it's manafort, company in -- >> the manafort problem -- the manafort pardon will be problematic. he also admitted stage crimes for which the president cannot pardon him. >> harris: so he gets half but not the other. we have talked about that. so it lessens the sentence, perhaps. >> well, it would relieve paul manna for some of the bird in his face but not all of it. >> harris: we will bring you back so you can all make sense. remembering america's 41st president paid his final resting place, beside his beloved barbara and their eldest daughter, robin.
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america says farewell to george h.w. bush. live from texas, next. >> the last words of george bush were "i love you." and he said those words to 43, george bush, president george bush 43. who was called into say "dad, i love you. i will see you on the other side." you need your wing nut. ( ♪ ) no one can totally satisfy a craving, quite like your wing nut.
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♪ >> harris: a final farewell to america's 41st president. the casket carrying george h.w. bush is now on air force one, on its way to washington about halfway through its flight. he will lie in state ahead of a state funeral wednesday at the national cathedral. then, the remains will head back to his adopted home state of texas. the former president will be buried on thursday, on the grounds of his presidential library alongside his wife of 73
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years, barbara, passed away just last april. their daughter, robin, also is buried there. she died of cancer in 1953 as a little one. william la jeunesse has more from the bush presidential library and college station, texas. william? >> harris, the schedule has the president returning texas on wednesday evening. he will lie in repose at saint martin's episcopal church. the family church in houston, texas. we are not sure if that will be public or not. then come on thursday morning, there will be a service mostly for friends and family because of the size of that church. then, around 1:00 p.m., the president will be on a funeral train bringing him here to college station, texas and i muse texas a&m university, and the side of his final resting place. they painted the diesel locomotive in his honor to resemble air force one. in the 18 or 1900s,
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abraham lincoln's lasted 12 days. 20 miles an hour, 25 million americans said their final goodbye. the last funeral train was dwight d. eisenhower from washington to kansas in 1969. the bush trip from houston here to college station will be about two and half hours. it will arrive here around 3:30 in the afternoon. because he chose texas a&m partially because of the military history, here. 4,000 cadets attend here. thousands will lined the route leading up to the library. i spoke to many here over the weekend, and they are using the president's passing as a teaching moment. they brought their children to understand the man, and how his character shaped our history. >> my son is with me, and i will remember this weekend for a long time. being in college station. president bush, what he was like. learned a lot about life and death as we get. we talked a lot about that.
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talked a lot about what kind of man he was. what kind of man we want him to be. >> something the president said that i saw it and so the library that really stuck with me -- i think that typifies his style, harris. "some c leadership was high drama. the sound of trumpets calling. i see history as a book with many pages, and each day we fill a page with hope and meaning. a new breeze blows, a page turns, the story unfolds." >> he had such incredible impact. not because he is a lecturer or because he is trying to tell us how to behave, but because he led such an amazing life as a role model. he's probably the best man i know and terms of everything he would want in a man. he was a great husband, an amazing dad. >> there is a quiet, secluded area behind the presidential library. it is secured right now by the secret service. we can't go there. but that is the final resting
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place. again, as mentioned, next to barbara bush and their daughter, robin, who died at age three and 1953 of leukemia. i will say this, harris -- there is an intimate portrait inside here, but this is the bush school public policy and they hope to carry on his tradition through public service for many generations. >> harris: absolutely. thank you very much. bob grady served as a speechwriter and policy advisor to bush 41 during the 1988 presidential campaign, and later served in the white house. bob, it's fabulous to see you today. so much of what we talk about the former president has been about celebration. while there was hartigan his passing, what will be celebrated around the world from his accomplishments? >> thank you for having me on. i think his life will be remembered as that of a great man, but also as a great example for us all. because he really showed us how to live a life of service.
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he was not only a great statesman in terms of building an international coalition, in terms of managing with great and very deft hands the dissolution of the soviet union. he was competitive, too. he showed grace under pressure when he won, grace when he lost, but also he liked to win. you don't get to be present to the united states without having that competitive edge. he won hard, and as you know, he won in 1988. >> harris: when you have that first-row seat for that competitiveness, tell us about it. >> is interesting -- people forget this, but on august 1st of 1988, president bush was down by 17 points. then, he was down by 17 points to michael dukakis. people were writing stories about what the dukakis president would be like. through measuring the drapes in the white house little too earl.
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i think the president figured out that it was about what direction the country was going to go to end. he really struck a chord by being conservative on taxes, conservative about national security, conservative about crime. perhaps being a little more to the center, if you will, on environmental protection and education and child care and some other areas. that resonated very well with the american voters. you remember, he won 426 electoral votes. he was the last republican to win states like california, new jersey, illinois, some of the states of big suburban populations. he got out there and worked very hard, did a great job. his acceptance speech that year, and we were traveling to four, five, sometimes six states a day. in that last couple months of that '88 election. >> harris: he was known for his incredible energy. [laughs] >> he liked to play about five sports today! >> harris: even on the campaign trail, i'm sure that helped her was on full display. >> he liked to turn everything
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to gain pretty to be playing horseshoes with him, he could be playing cards on air forced to, later air force one. anything, he liked to have a little competition. he was going to win the little mini game. he had all kinds of great little nicknames for people, and fun competitions all the time. at the white house and elsewher elsewhere. >> harris: bob grady, former advisor for the former president. the 1988 presidential campaign predicts that history lesson on august 1st. we have forgotten that huge gap that he had, losing at the time to michael dukakis. don't hang those drapes too soon, he says. great to see you today. thank you for your memories. >> thinks, harris. thanks for having me. >> harris: sure. we'll have more on the life and legacy of the former president, george h.w. bush. plus, former fbi director james comey is set for that closed-door hearing with the house judiciary committee. after coming to an agreement with republican lawmakers. what do they hope to find out?
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said, so we've got to only do this in public." is that fair? >> i'm all for doing things in public. let's remember, this is the same james comey who lied to congress and public about the status of the investigation. it's the same james comey who leaked information to his columbia law professor friend in order to influence an ongoing investigation. then, it's the same james comey who left the chain of command. not according to me or house republicans, but according to the democrat obama-appointed inspector general, he totally departed from the protocols and procedures that are supposed to create some integrity and objectivity in this process is related to the emails of hillary clinton. here's the real travesty, harris -- he was five months ago the devin nunes give the house judiciary committee 42 names where we needed to take interviews. but we moved at such a snail's pace than that we only have days left in legislation legislative are only now getting to james comey? what a joke.
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this low-energy oversight is one of the reasons we lost the majority. >> harris: while matt, low-energy oversight. but it was oversight by your room political tea. what happened? >> we did move fast enough. there were those like jim jordan and devon news us and myself and mark meadows who were beckoning them to schedule the interviews. do it in public. i don't think we really wanted the answers to a lot of these questions. i think a lot of the republican leadership viewed the russian investigation and our oversight into the fbi contact as a disruptive to the economic message they were trying to pus push. we saw in the election as of the economic message alone is not going to deliver the type of turnout we need to win in suburban america. we need to show people that we are actually doing our job, and i think the low productivity from our committee -- harris, what you think is good habit? we get james comey in at the end of the week and we have a few legislative days left customer what we do, hold him in contempt?
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i think it's really indicative of a slow calendar. >> harris: it's interesting. and some days, even he could see that. it's going to prolong things for him, as well. you do this, and -- by the way, that was an incredible level of transparency. if you don't get invited to any cocktail parties this holiday season, you can come to my house. [laughs] >> thank you, i can read your awesome new book! >> harris: [laughs] god bless you. >> a great christmas present, i would think. >> harris: thank you. as we look forward -- and you have that 24-hour space between the hearing and the release of the transcript. does that also give you an opportunity -- is there classified -- i want to dial down to what you expect to get from james comey. do you think he's going to head to classified information? what do you want to know? >> i think we are trying to understand what was infected by this philosophy that comey had, that you could go and leak things to the media to obtain a political outcome in a criminal or counterintelligence investigation. we have seen, now -- even after
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the departure of comey -- other people who thought it was okay or appropriate to leak to the media. i think really understanding the four corners of those leaks and that culture is really important. also, understanding kind of the breaking of the chain of command and who was involved in that decision. we have seen text messages that relate, some of those decisions. i think we want to peel back a few more layers of that onion. even if we get the facts, we are out of time to do the job we should be doing the last two years. >> harris: that was my question, you've already answered it. when you have this information, what then does accountability look like? now you got to work across the aisle to try and get that done, the political aisle. congressman matt gaetz, always great to see it from florida. if you read that, i will sign it for you. bless you. >> thank you, harris. >> harris: the nation preparing to say a final farewell now to our 41st president. we continue to honor the life and legacy of george h.w. bush. coverage throughout the day.
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keep watching. plus, the u.s. and china are calling a temporary truce, a cease-fire on trade as negotiating continues. the president also signed a revamped nafta a deal with mexico and canada. his usmca. was this a successful g20 summit for the president? some say yes. the power panel is next. ♪ ready to get your feast on? you better be 'cause it's red lobster's new create your own ultimate feast event! pick 4 of 10 favorites to create the ultimate feast you've been dreaming of. will you choose creamy lobster mac & cheese, tender, wild-caught snow crab...
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call or visit ♪ >> harris: the conversations artie started. the u.s. and china have declared at temperatures in a trade war, some called it, on the g20 summit. president trump and chinese president xi jinping agreed to a 90-day tariff cease-fire. the two sides are looking to negotiate a broader deal. president trump touted the meeting as a success.
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treating this -- "my meeting in argentina with president xi of china was an extraordinary one. relations with china have taken a big leap forward. very good things will happen. we reveal great strength, but china has much to gain if and when the deal is completed. level the field!" time now for the power panel. dan heninger, deputy editor. doug schoen from a former poster for president bill clinton. both are fox news contributor's. doug, i will start with you. the deal is perhaps in the work, but the cease-fire is on for 90 days. >> wright, plus, we have no idea what's going to come. sure, i want to be optimistic, but given that the chinese and the americans approach this from very different perspectives and that the amount of change that the chinese are going to be asked to meet in 90 days is pretty fundamental, i remain hopeful but distinctly skeptical, harris. >> harris: dan? >> the president named as his
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lead negotiator, lead trade negotiator, robert lighthizer. he just created and after deal. he is a hard-liner on china. opening chinese markets. but they are talking about really significant structural changes in the way the chinese do business. it's going to be a tough thing to pull off in 90 days. >> harris: can i ask you about points of capitulation for the chinese government? they were hurting after the november tariffs earlier in the months. the economy was already kind of to start to feel bad. where'd you put that pressure point in terms of what can get done with president trump? >> well, look -- they are talking about things like cybersecurity, the stealing of intellectual property, the idea that american companies have to have stage partners over in china. really big things. i think if the chinese agreed at all to begin conversations about those subjects, president trump will continue to hold off on the tariffs. but if they say those are off
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the table, tariffs could be coming. >> harris: doug? >> there's this little issue, dan come of human rights violations in china. a little or more people in reeducation camps in one province. we sent for human rights. you don't like to talk about it sometimes, but i do. a lot of us care about that as much as economic relations. >> harris: really quickly, he dan, your thoughts on that? >> i think that's right pray the president has just been through with saudi arabia, the question is read that they should have bn more sympathetic to the causes f human rights in saudi arabia. it's a reality today, so it's difficult to -- >> harris: khashoggi. let's talk russia. you have written several rock of my books about russia. interesting, the president canceled the official formal meeting at the g23 he got a lot of credit for that, even among members of your political party. >> that's right. he said at the white house lawn that he wanted to have the meeting. it was made clear to him that
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because the ukrainian ships had not been released, nor of ukrainian sailors released, ukraine and the state of martial law. he couldn't really practically sit down with putin. i'm glad he didn't. but putin remains assertive and aggressive. we don't have a strategy to deal with him. >> harris: all right. i would have to bring you both back on another day. a lot of great breaking news as we have continuing coverage here on fox news. thank you very much. more "outnumbered overtime." stay close. your insurance rates skyrocket after a scratch so small
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>> harris: special air mission 41 is happening right now with former president george h.w. bush and his remains above the mic aboard air force one heading to d.c. and our coverage continues today on fox. ♪ >> a 21 gun salute and a military band. the bush family heading from houston to washington with the remains of president george herbert walker bush. hello everyone, i am dana perino and this is "the daily briefing." >> dana: attributes flowing in from the nation and around the world to honor the president. his casket is now being transported toward special a

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