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maccallum in new york starts now. >> martha: that was great. >> bret: hey, martha. it was great. >> martha: i can't believe it's been ten years. feels like yesterday you took over for brit. and his advice is certainly solid and you have taken it and done an amazing job. pleasure to work with you often. >> bret: thank you. >> martha: look forward to many more years together. thank you. >> bret: you bet. >> martha: breaking tonight, jobs were expected to go up by about 177,000 in december. this morning the eye-popping number took the screen. 312,000 jobs added. manufacturing jobs posted the biggest gain in 20 years in the united states of america. so the dow loved that, of course. up 746 points after a rocky december. kimberly strass of the "wall street journal" will join me with her take on what people are ignoring and the realities of the u.s. economy. that is coming up later. but first, tonight, the president continuing to do battle to fulfill his promise on the wall.
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he came out today from the meeting at the white house with the g.o.p. and the democratic leaders who say in part that successes now make -- the successes of now make the whole impeachment argument, he would say, a difficult one. >> president trump: it's hard to impeach somebody who has done a great job. that is number one. we even talked about that today. i said why don't you use this for impeachment. nancy said we are not looking to impeach you. i said that's good, nancy. that's good. you don't impeach people when they are doing a good job. that more on that in a moment. the shutdown discussions appear to be at an impasse for now, the president was also asked about a new member of congress who does want him out. congresswoman talib said this on the first day. >> people love you. and you win. and when your son looks at you and says momma loves you, bully don'ts win.
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i said baby, they don't. we are going to go in there and we are going to [bleep] >> martha: lovely, right? similar sentiment, a different language, though. we heard from the now new chair of the powerful house intel committee adam schiff. >> i i assume it will end with trump voted out of office. but bob mueller will have a lot to say about that. >> martha: it's not going to happen soon, it doesn't seen. because a grand jury already empanelled by bob mueller for 18 months with now be extend and we believe it's for another six months. here now on manners, and the showdown that is underway, on a number of fronts, former arkansas governor and the fox news contributor mike huckabee and the former c.i.a. officer brian dean wright and candidate for the chairperson for the d.n.c. ms. green. welcome. a lot in there. the economy is doing well. the jobs number was extremely strong. then you have got that just
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post to a showdown -- juxtapose over a shut down and the looming investigation that is going on. the question of impeachment against the backdrop, governor huckabee, i'll start with you, greeted with pretty strong language by one of the newest members of congress. start there. >> let's be fair. not all the democrats are that vicious. they don't use that kind of language. i think it would be unfair to paint all the democrats with a broad bush. but it's disturbing that someone would say that. profane and vulgar and up necessary. frankly, it's nonsense. first of all, a lot of americans don't seem to understand or i don't guess she does either that impeachment isn't removal from office. as long as the republicans have 53 members in the senate, it would take all of the democrats and 20 republicans to get to a super majority in order to remove the president. so this talk about impeachment is utter nonsense.
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i only quite frankly would hope they would pursue it and push it and go all the way with it because i think it would be the best way donald trump to be re-elected and the republicans would get control of the house again back in 2020. >> martha: one more question on the impeachment front before we move to the other things. i'll get you to address it and what would you say to her about the comment? >> full disclose sure, i'm a talib fan girl. she was trained by an organization vote run leads that i serve as the board chair of and we train women to run as you are. we train them to be unapologetic. and that is what we are seeing from her. as far as impeachment goes -- >> martha: what do you say about the comment? that is totally separate from what you said. >> to the impeachment process, we are two years in the administration and nearly every entify that president trump ever -- entity that president trump ever led -- >> martha: just answer my question. i'm curious what you would say to her. your friend and you support her. do you support her using that
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language, which i won't even characterize on my show about the president of the united states? >> look, i would not have used it. but the reality is and i think governor huckabee probably knows this and anyone who has watched the television show veep, politicians curse. they curse all the time. we are just not seeing it as so up close and -- >> martha: not generally in front of the cameras. >> they do. they have sailor mouths. i think anyone who has worked inside the beltway understands that. the public just doesn't usually say that. but for impeachment there is a serious conversation to be had whenever entity that this president has led is under investigation. he is surrounded himself, the administration filled with the family members, associates and advisers who are under investigation for a long list of influence peddling and money laundering and i mean the list is so long.
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if the founding fathers put impeachment clause in the constitution, is there any other situation more tailor-made to -- >> martha: i don't know. a lot of the accusations you mentioned sound familiar from prior administrations so i don't know. let me get you to weigh in here as we look at the whole issue of the wall, the battle over the wall. your thoughts on where we stand with the showdown. >> let's start with the immigration piece first. nobody in country looks at this thoughtfully and says you know what? we have 3,000 people coming across the border every day, it's no at problem. of course it is. democrats are playing games. my party is on the losing end of the issue. we have handled this ridiculously. representative bustos today said that she would be open and the party would be open to a partial wall. so let's just dispense with the ridiculousness about the wall and why the government is shut down. let me address secondly the whole garbage of cursing.
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i'm not concerned about a representative cussing. what i'm concerned about is the democratic party spending two years telling themselves and this country that there is evidence of collusion between trump and russia and there is not. so what else do we expect? we have set the brushfire alive in this country that the president is guilty would evidence. that is the issue that your friend, colleague speaking just before me, is avoiding when you asked her a tough question. let's wait until the evidence comes in. don't pretend that the democratic party lit on fire from the ridiculous allegations yet to be proven with one shed of evidence. >> clearly -- >> martha: you want to respond? >> lay out how the grand jury empanelled for an additional six months. that would not happen if the process was not moving through a high number of the indictments and guilty pleas.
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there is progress maid. >> martha: we haven't seen the end of the investigation. when we do we will see what is in it. governor huckabee, i want one last thought from you on the wall. it's interesting. nancy pelosi is calling the wall immoral, which leads me to wonder if she would -- i mean this is a serious way -- does she believe we should dismant the existing part of the fence and the wall there now. are those also immoral? they do attempt to block people from entering the country. >> that is the fairest question of all. if it's immoral, if it's really a moral issue to protect the border we shouldn't have any protection. 650 miles that we currently have, the democrats should introduce legislation to dismantle it. we also should call out the pope for having a wall around the vatican. we should call out every major institution including the prisons for having walls. if they are really immoral. i think it's a ridiculous statement and indefensible one. there is surely a way to bring
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this -- i would love to see us resolve daca, get the border secure. this ought to be a bipartisan issue. it shouldn't be politicized. it shouldn't be one of the things that is thrown in, in this ridiculous discussion of impeachment because it's simply not going to happen. i think american people are looking for people to lead, govern and resolve issues. not just to stand off in corners and scream at each other. >> martha: you touched on something that may be the answer we end up with here which is a daca/border security tradeoff. most americans would be favorable toward that. hopefully cooler heads will prevail and see where we go. thank you for being here tonight. good to see you. have a good weekend. coming up next, a decorated navy seal is accused of murdering an isis prisoner. he has pled not guilty in a california courtroom today. we will speak exclusively with his brother sean who says the elite special force officer was stripped of due process in
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>> martha: breaking tonight elite navy seal and two-time bronze star recipient facing charges of premeditated murder
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in the death of a detained isis prisoner of war. today's special operations chief edward gallagher came face to face with a judge to plead his case. in moments we'll hear from his attorney and his brother sean. but first trace gallagher has the back story. >> by all accounts, he is a modern day hero. his combat resume is long and impressive but the navy prosecutors paint a picture of highly trained fighter in the eighth deployment went off the rails and a man used drugs and indies cremnantly fired at -- indecember crim -- indies cremnantly fired his gun. and said he took photos of himself holding a knife and the boy's body and sending it to a fellow seal saying, "i got him with hi hunting knife." more damning is the prosecutors built the case on the testimony of goal ger's
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fellow navy seals. military brotherhood like no other and the investigators say when some of the seals first tried to report gallagher's misdeeds he threatened to kill them. but he also has supporters including the top military leaders who claim to be eyewitnesses saying that the isis fighter died from the enemy gunshot wounds and gallagher and other seal medics were trying to save the boy to eventually interrogate him. there are also accusations stating that the navy seals who accused gallagher of killing the boy were malcontents that gallagher reprimanded for not wanting to engage in combat. today in court a number of the gallagher fellow seals spoke on his behalf saying that they would trust him with their lives. even under these allegations. watch. >> i can stand by my friend and know he is a good man. he has had 19.5 years of deployment and service for the country. he has been a number one chief
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and platoon operator and nothing but a valiant guy. >> a gold star father opened his house for eddie gallagher to stay in when he is released from prison. today, a judge ruled that gallagher would go on trial between february 19 and march 1. and gallagher has agreed to a trial before a military jury. one-third of whom will be enlisted personnel. martha? >> martha: thank you very much. here now exclusively edward gallagher's attorney phillip stackmouse and his brother sean gallagher. welcome to both of you. good to have you here. sean, start with you. trace laid out on both sides. supporters and the detractors. you say the detractors are telling lies. explain. >> every single statement that was just said, every accusation made, every slanderous comment boils down to the bottom line.
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my brother reprimanded a couple of guys in combat who buckled under his leadership because they were new and inexperience because they put men's lives in danger not wanting to take the fight to the enemy. my brother called them out on this and rep remanded them. when they got back, months later they spun up the stories. every allegation you heard stems from a couple of malcontents who admitted to tampering with my brother's rifle so he couldn't fire at the enemy in combat. this is how reckless they were. so the entire investigation i want to make it clear, crystal clear based on lies. based on the testimony of the malcontent who were concerned about their own reputation they spun the stories to paint my brother as villain to escape criticism. >> martha: this jury, mr. stackhouse, will hear both sides of the story and i ma'am they will see the evidence of the photographs of his holding the body and the knife as well. >> well, i can't discuss what is contained in the pictures because there is a protective order that has been issued by
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the convening authority in the case. but i can tell you any pictures available i would expect will be shown in the trial. that is fine. i mean i will tell you now we will be showing those pictures as well. they show exculpatory evidence for our case. >> martha: sean, you know, there were nine members of navy seal team seven who testified against your brother. you are saying that these are the people he reprimand manded? nine of them? >> it's not that way. there are only a couple making the damning statements. there are nine that prosecutors claim to be on their side but lawyered up and don't want to talk to them because they are afraid they will be gone after the same way my brother has been gone after. look at the case as an overzealous out-of-control prosecution trying to make a career taking down a navy seal. which should make every american blood boil because of the premise. the premise is that my brother killed an already dying isis
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fighter in combat. that is brass tax. he denies all of it and there is pounds of evidence to exonerate him. in spite of this the prosecutors try against the nine guys and against other guys of eddie teammates to try to intimidate them saying i'll go after your career. i'll end your navy seal career if you don't start lying about eddie gallagher. this is the ret treatment we experience horrendously over the past four or five months. >> martha: gentlemen, thank you. this is an emotional issue for your family. he has three children. he served eight tours of duty. the last one in mo sue, iraq, trying to clear isis from there. we will be watching and thank you for being here tonight to tell your story. thank you. >> thank you for your time. >> martha: you bet. still ahead tonight, one of the most used allegements to reopen -- arguments to reopen the government. >> don't hold millions of americans, hundreds of thousands of workers hostage. >> martha: who is really
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impacted by this shutdown? president said he would be willing to let it go on for years. he doesn't want that but says it could be. chris stirewalt with the real story next. >> he also said you said in the meeting that him quoting you, i want to check that the shutdown could go on for months or even a year or longer. did you say that? >> president trump: i did. i did say that. absolutely i said that. i don't keep track of regrets. i never count the wrinkles. and i don't add up the years. but what i do count on... is staying happy and healthy. so, i add protein, vitamins and minerals to my diet with boost®. new boost® high protein nutritional drink now has 33% more high-quality protein, along with 26 essential vitamins and minerals your body needs. all with guaranteed great taste. the upside- i'm just getting started. boost® high protein be up for life look for savings on boost® in your sunday paper.
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what is a safety net for the federal workers? a month and a year for a shutdown. do you have a safety necessary for those who need a -- safety net for those who need a check? >> we'll be safe. not economically but ultimately economically. i really believe that the people, many of the people that we are talking about, many of the people you are discussing, i believe they agree with what we are doing. >> martha: president trump admitting the shutdown could continue for months or maybe even years. they will meet this weekend to hope to resolve it. but right now 14 days into this. 800,000 government workers affected not yet, nobody as of
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right now this minute has missed a paycheck. the official payday, period end monday and they wouldn't get paid until next friday. if they resolve from now and then no one would have missed a paycheck. those on the job are correctional officers and 50,000 custom border protection agents and coast guard employees. those told not to report to work. 21,000 people at the commerce department. nearly all of nasa. 10,000 state department employees. 45,000 people who work at the i.r.s. maybe extra time on the taxes. here to separate the fact from the fiction, chris stirewalt. fox news politics editor. nobody wants anyone who lives paycheck to paycheck to be put in a dire situation. but listening to the politicians and the examples so far, this does not appear that anyone at least of right now entered that dire situation. paycheck wouldn't be here
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until friday. >> there are government contractors who have not been paid and they probably won't. those things are not rectified at the end. the government relies on contractors so there are contractors who have missed paychecks but for the bulk of the workers you talk about a week from today is the "d" day, when they miss the paycheck. they are on the 22nd of december. a long pay cycle and due next friday. but you right, it's not a missed paycheck for the employees. >> martha: they said someone fell in a national park and people who were supposed to be there watching were not there and someone else carried him down and he was fine in the end. there is another story floating around out there about a death in yosemite, which is tragic. a man fell.
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fell in a river and died of a head injury. but the headline says death in yosemite as man falls in government shutdown. >> if they closed the parks that wouldn't have happened. i have no idea if he would have gone to the reward. had rangers been there. the park was open. that wouldn't normally be the case under the past shutdown. >> martha: the point is in the ten seconds we have left; how dire is this situation? do you think it will be open before next friday? >> the president says for months or years, that won't happen. the people will quit and the republicans and the senate will break. if they don't have it done by friday, the consequences will mount and the pressure on the president will be high on the president. >> martha: thank you, chris stirewalt. kimberly strassal up next.
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>> president trump: 312,000 jobs is a tremendous number. obviously having a big impact on the stock market today. i don't think there is one wall street genius of which i know many of them, but they are not geniuses. there is not one that predicted anywhere close to these job numbers. >> martha: president trump touting a blockbuster jobs report that came out today. the united states added 312,000 jobs in december. blowing away expectations as the president was just saying. the dow was up nearly 800 points. it's up 8% since christmas eve. it's been a rocky december. but a good start to the year. so jobs number, trend we have been seeing for months is the recovery is strongest among less educated workers who are now hired in some jobs that they mate not -- might not
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have been hired in the past. why is that? what does it signal underneath all of the noise? joining me now is kimberly strassel, "wall street journal" columnist and member of the editorial board. good to have you with us tonight. good to see you. first, your top line reaction to this number today? >> well, look, this is a reminder, vivid reminder that the fundamentals of the u.s. economy are strong. people have been scratching their heads looking at the stock market. this is a reminder when it comes to growth and jobs, hiring, all the numbers and indicators are fine. what is driving the stork market is uncertainty about trade. what the fed is going to do next. that is a concern. if you look at the economy we are in great shape due to the tax cut and the economics. >> martha: that is what drove debbi de larry kudlow to y
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today. >> there is no recession coming. consumers are strong. jobs are rising. wages are rising. >> martha: i want to put up a chart this morning. shows increase on less skilled, less educated workers. this is hard to see but if you look at the end you see the up-tick. 5.6% increase for the people without a high school education. that group is elevating the most. why do you think that is? >> well, this is a great but an underreported aspect of the economic growth that we are seeing. the deregulation in particular and the tax cuts have reinspired whole sector of the economy. in particular, manufacturing that do rely on the low-skilled workers. i think it doesn't get enough attention, this is an administration earlier this
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year, earlier last year i should say in 2018. that was making a push for the vocational education. in the summer, theth signed over -- the president signed overall of technical education bill designed to make sure we look at the part of the economy that too often get neglected. we talk about the college education but it takes all type of workers make an economy go. the situation that the jobs are there and we are people to fill them. >> you look back to the campaign and you think about the president talk about the forgotten men and women. you look at the suicide rate among white men in the 30s and the 40s in this country. really skyrocketed. in an alarming way. is this a positive on that front or too big of a leap? >> no. listen. people take pride and joy and
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comfort knowing they have good jobs to provide for the families. we have a lot of focus on the upper echelon in washington and different part of society focused on college education. that forgets there are millions of jobs out there that are very well paying that are trade based, skills based, vocationm based. we are seeing uptick that want that. you are putting in the infrastructure, utility, grid and pipefitters and electricians and these are all well-paying good jobs. >> martha: thank you. good to see you tonight. >> you, too. >> martha: coming up next, a story of how a couple will ever change lives of the two young children who were horribly abused in one of texas most horrific child
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>> martha: call it incredible act of faith. san antonio couple have been married for 17 years but they struggled to have a child of
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their own. when a foster parent in the choir group moved to step in. she was taking care of two young children. josaih 4 and his sister naomi 3, who had been rescued from a horrific situation of abuse. they had, in fact, been found bound by the ankles and the wrists with leashes and chains. the foster mom introduced the shaws to the little boy and girl. and as she tells it, it was meant to be. the parents now with the two children. welcome to all of you. great to have you with us. happy new year. beautiful family. >> hi! >> hi! let me start with you. you were at a retreat. you were in a down moment in life. what did you tell the group
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you thought you were with there that day? >> well, i had just recently lost a child. i had a miscarriage. i wasn't prepared to talk about that with the ladies at for but the lord impressed on my heard to say that and to stay strong and believe god is faithful. after i got through talking to them, i actually right after i said that, i made a bold statement with a baby on my head or on my side and i'd be pregnant next year. and behold, i've done that. >> martha: you may not have imagined the way it did. alan, tell me about the person who came in your lives and brought the two beautiful children in to your home. >> this has been amazing. an awesome journey with them,
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loving on them and nurturing them. getting through the process, you know. i am overjoyed with all the help that we have gotten from the church family. from the other families. the velazquez family. we have gotten a lot of help so far them just loving on the kids, too. loving us as a whole, you know? as a great community. >> martha: you have said that ms. kneelly stepped in and looked at you and she didn't know you. but she knew that these children, that she felt that god wanted these children with you. to change your life. >> amazing thing about it is exactly that. ian and teresa didn't have any -- me and teresa didn't have any relationship other than we went to the same church. when she reached out to us and
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said that god had pointed us out as the parents of the children, she didn't know she was answering a long-waited prayer, long-awaited prayer to be answered. we had no relationship prior. it was all god. >> martha: so tell me about the children and how they are doing today. because we described a little bit in the intro, about how tough the early years of the life were. >> say it one more time. >> martha: how are they doing now? i described a little bit prior to bringing you on the situation that they were in when they were very young. how are they doing? they seem to be doing great. how has the transition been? >> they are doing fabulous. of course there are still challenges and healing that needs to manifest itself but they are doing like wonderful. they are not the same children they were when they came in
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the system. they are full of life and joy. they are lovers of people. they love people. they are doing wonderful considering where they came from, that horrific thing. >> you have another child as well, right? tell me about your youngest. >> matthew. baby matthew is 2 years old. he is actually naomi and josiah biological brother. he is fantastic. he is doing great. he is driving and very, very in control. who knew a 2-year-old could actually run so much? >> martha: you know looking at -- you have taken on a lot. both of you. and you see so happy and full of joy. some parents are overwhelmed by the responsibility of three young ones. what do you attribute that? >> it's all god. he has given us the grace to
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deal with the babies as they go through the healing process. that comes from god. his will and pump in our lives -- purpose in our lives. it's challenging sometimes. it's not always easy. just like anybody that has kids that we birth. we took three at once. that was quite a lot. but like alan said, we have had a lot of support. teresa neilly was there with us side-by-side to help us, teaching us. my mom and my church family members. there has been a lot of people supporting us through the journey. it has been wonderful. i can't say it's hard, hard at all. but it has its challenges. when we sit down at the end of the day and we see the beautiful kids in the floor rolling around with tons of energy with each other, we are like this is work but it's a beautiful work that god has called us to. it's worth seeing them together. worth seeing them together and living a life they are just
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full of love and joy. you can't really tell right now because they're restless. they are. >> martha: i understand that. i have three kids of my own. you said you felt when you saw them that god said these are your babies. you were trying to have babies of your own and now that you do. there is a gofundme page to help you. you have he from the church and support to raise the kids. we want to let people know about that. it's great to see you both. josiah and naomi, thank you for being with us. >> thank you. >> thank y'all. >> martha: bye! >> bye! >> martha: thank you, guys. if that doesn't make your day, i don't know what does. coming up, the ladies will be with us. still ahead how ellen intervention in kevin hart's benefit backfired.
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ladies night up next. >> i called the academy today. i really want you to host the oscars. i was so excited when i heard they asked you. i thought it was an amazing thing. i can't tell you who i am or what i witnessed,
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>> martha: new speculation tonight that kevin hart's oscar gig could be back on after the comedian stepped away from what was once called opportunity of a lifetime. after homophobic tweets from several years prior resurfaced. hart speaking out for the first time in an interview with ellen who said as a member of the lgbtq community she would like to see hart again take the oscar stage. >> there are so many haters out there. whatever is going on, on the internet, don't pay attention to them. that is a small group of people being very, very loud. we are a huge group of people who love you and want to see you host the oscars.
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>> tucker: here now for ladies night, lisa boothe, careline and jessica tarlov. caroline, i'll start with you. she got backlash from that. ellen speaks from a place that most people will listen to on this. but the haters she talked about started to push back at her for suggesting that e should be let off the hook. >> she did get backlash. i don't know if the issue is whether he should be let off the hook. it's how he approached the issue when it first came to the front. i will say that as a mother of a 5-year-old boy i was a little offended by the tweet he did ten years ago saying if he found his son playing with a dollhouse he would bang it over his head or something. that is not okay. i think we can agree that is not okay. if he was remorseful at the time why didn't he say i apologize then and i'll apologize now. i don't know why ellen is the high priestess of everything
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gay i absolve you of the guilt. i don't buy it. >> it's about forgiveness which is an element we appear to be losing. the man came forward. this was tweeted ten years ago and pollgized. he is a comedian and he pushes envelope and apologized for it. what more do people want? i don't understand. >> in the interview it was great to hear from him in a long form way that he explains the reason he turned down in the end is not having to apologize again. he said i have done it over and over in the past. but i knew if i took the stage on oscar night it would be about kevin hart and it wouldn't about the awardees. i thought that was a salient point. he said it's on my bucket list. there are only four african-americans who have come before me to host the oscar and it was so important to me i didn't want to jeopardize the opportunity. >> martha: i think people in the situation like him need to push back to say we need to
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live in a world it's okay to apologize. before the interview aired on ellen people were already pushing back saying no. we have been the court of opinion. we have decided the haters she talks about on twitter. you are done. >> to that point if we held every canadian to the kevin hart standard who is left in comedy? and what about sierra silverman and -- sarah silverman and amy schumer who said similar things and would not face the same backlash. i applaud ellen for sitting down with them to say two things we miss from society is forgiveness and dialogue. she allowed forgiveness to him and had a dialogue with him. she tweeted out i believe in forgiveness. i believe in second chances. what a novel concept. that is something more americans should embrace in the mob mentality. >> i'm all for forgiveness. >> it doesn't sound like you are. >> it's how he handled it. if he was remorseful why didn't he say apologized for
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this before -- >> he did. >> martha: the man said he apologized for what happened. the point is that as he pointed out he felt like he was under attack. when you get something in life, you know, villanova basketball player and you look at kyler murray and the heisman trophy winner. someone who gets success instantly open to this army of the people who start trolling through things they tweeted a million years ago. say huh-uh, you won't succeed. i have something to knock you down. that is wrong. ly? agree with you that the troll -- >> i agree with you that the trolling is wrong. i don't dispute the underlying concept. >> who are the people so perfect who never said a stupid insensitive thing, that they get to decide he is done? >> that is not right. >> what are the standards, too? there is not a cohesive standard across the board as how it is applied. back to the point.
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sarah silverman, there are plenty of people who said things similar. they still have a job. it's not applied across the board. >> so many of our beloved politicians have had evolving positions on the issues that matter. especially on gay marriage. we had people who were just for civilian unions and now they are liberal icons like bernie sanders. i believe in redemption and change and forgiveness. and he did apologize. >> evolution of a thought process. we all are constantly evolving. i want to look at another piece with you. why 2020 could be different for women? basically this points out that there could be four women running for president. let's pull up the quotes from this piece that said with more women in the race you are less likely to become caricature of
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the ambition and likely to have the qualities come to the foreto be examined. this is another quote. it will allow a serious conversation about the extent to which the americans are sexist. that from the jennifer lalas, politics professor from the university of virginia. the suggestion in the piece is well if four women run and none of them win, then that will be obvious that we live in a sexist nation. >> a lot of this centers around the conversation about hillary clinton and elizabeth warren. to say that the two of them are inauthentic and unlikable is not sexist. pointing out the on. -- pointing out the obvious. it's ridiculous to appoint sexist to something obvious. who cares if a women or man runs. i'd rather have the best candidate. focus on gender is ridiculous. isn't equality removing that?
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>> bob dole and mitt romney who said you know what? they were not great candidates. nobody said it's because they are a man. >> i agree. there is a bit of an institutional lag behind this and maybe we are more forward thinking as society than in sort of the institution. so i do think there is -- it's indisputable there is sexism. >> martha: i don't agree. >> remember couldn't read the first sentence -- >> but wait, having a woman on the court. >> this is important to highlight because the only person that elizabeth warren can be compared to is hillary clinton. she is the only one who has run. they are not similar. beto o'rourke called the next obama. elizabeth warren is the next hillary clinton. >> it's the personalities. >> president obama -- >> it's not -- >> it's inauthentic as well if it makes you feel better. >> nothing you said in this segment made me feel better,
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actually. >> martha: i got to go. sorry. i have to pick it up in the break. good to have you here. that is "the story with martha" on this friday night. tucker is up next. ♪ >> tucker: good evening. welcome to "tucker carlson tonight." there is a new congress here in washington. but the government shutdown continues as before. the stalemate over the border wall funding entered the third week. each side betting the other will give in first. negotiations continue at the white house today but apparently they bore no fruit. because afterwards the president emerged to say the situation on the southern border is so grave he may be forced to build a wall without congressional approval. >> have you considered using emergency powers to grant yourself authority to build this wall without congressional approval? and second -- >> yes, i have. >> you have? >> president trump: i have.


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