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from capital one. i earn unlimited 2% cash back on everything i buy. and last year, i earned $36,000 in cash back. which i used to offer health insurance to my employees. what's in your wallet? >> call it whatever you want. whether it's steel or concrete, you don't care. we need a barrier. >> martha: that was the president in mcallen, texas, today talking to border agents about the work they do there and what they see on the border every single day. it was an effort to draw attention to their firsthand side of the story. most of the networks did not carry it, though, so it's hard to say if it will have any impact whatsoever on this debat debate. >> this is terrible. we know better. we know what the cost is. to families. to our families.
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to our communities. to the country. >> martha: that was a roundtable discussion and reggie talking about the impact on his family over christmas. >> at 33 years old, i had to pick up his remains. it breaks my heart. and no one should ever ever go through that, looking for his dad? no one should ever go through that on christmas day. >> martha: the other side of this battle says the president is just manufacturing this crisis. that line continues today in heavy rotation. watch. >> a manufactured crisis courtesy of president trump. >> should in the manufactured crisis -- >> martha: do you get the idea? this moment from cnn reporter jim acosta suggested that all is calm at the border where he was
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today, despite what you hear. >> walking along here, we aren't seeing any kind of imminent danger. no migrants trying to rush towards this fence here in mcallen, texas, area. no sign of the national emergency that the president has been talking about. as a matter of fact, it's pretty tranquil down here. >> martha: that report was met with a lot of pushback, including this from top campaign manager brad parr scale who tweeted a sentiment that was actually shared by a lot of people on social media today. "i would like to think jim acosta how peaceful, safe, secure it is at the part of the border that has a wall." later tonight, my exclusive interview with him who had plenty more to say about the wall and the president's number numbers. >> do you believe by the time the campaign rolls around, will have a wall? >> martha: building what he calls the biggest voter outreach effort that has ever
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been constructed in presidential politics. he also says that in their internal polls, he believes that the wall fight is helping the president to move higher, in fact to the highest point in their poles to the presidency. but first tonight, american enterprise gentlemen, great to have you with us. >> of course. >> martha: thank you. richard, let me start with you. how are democrats doing in this debate right now based on that back-and-forth? >> the polls are any indication, the majority of the public blames the president for his position. they think the government shouldn't be held hostage. i will say this. we have really this semantic dispute between a wall, then fence and barrier. it's kind of silly. you have these hundreds and thousands of public employees who are out there with their
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credit at risk and food on the table and so forth, the fact is in 2013, as you know, everything with democratic senator and 14 republicans voted for $8 billion of barrier fencing, call it what you will. i think that's where the democrats are vexed. mr. president, she was precisely what you want. when he talks, it's wall, barrier, steel slats -- -- >> martha: do you know what the silly smith debate is for? people in that building and folks who talk about these things. in america, i believe it's very clear. get over yourself. we don't care what you want to call if you just secure the border. this is is the issue that ameris really agree on. >> what this immigration bill did 2018, the tens and thousands of border patrol people, watchtowers, drones, the whole bit. this notion of democrats being for open borders is really not right. again, obama was called the deport or in chief by the
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hispanic community. >> martha: democrats on the nervous of being the pretrade that way. and they are coming up that way because they are not willing to negotiate at all. >> it actually said that no illegal immigrants could get a green pad down the card until the wall was completed. president trump has already made the concession on the wall. he shifted to steel slats, a fence. he sent mike pence and said let's do $2.5 billion instead of $5.7 billion come dismissed it. he set the nancy pelosi yesterday, "look, if i'm open to what you are saying, let's open the government and have separate negotiations on the border, will fund any money for the wall." she said no. >> martha: why is that, richard? >> i think it's the whole wall thing. how many hundreds of times in the campaign trail did he say "build a wall." >> martha: but like you said before that, they don't care what you call it. >> but he has the term "wall."
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that connotes -- it makes a difference to her, what he campaigned on was a 25-foot high concrete wall. >> martha: why doesn't she say to him, well, mr. president, i'm fine with border security, but i will not build a concrete wall? which basically can be done anyway? >> if the president were smart, he'd say to mitch mcconnell, hold up that bill with 14 republicans and let's get a vote on that. that will call her bluff. because if she's really opposed to border security, then she'll be against it. the fact that i think it would past. >> martha: the president said if he doesn't get some kind of agreement, he's going to declare a national emergency. the army corps of engineers, one of the places where they are beating the bush for money, move some things around to get started. >> i think that would be a mistake that i'm understanding he's using it as a negotiating tactic, basically telling nancy pelosi and chuck schumer, you do not have control of the situation, you do not deny me the wall. if it's a negotiating tactic,
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its market as a policy, it's not a good idea. that emergency was intended for things like 9/11 and katrina. there is a crisis at the border for "the washington post" said the other day a bona fide crisis, there are more immigrants coming over, unaccompanied minors, detention centers are completely overwhelmed. he's got a point. he probably legally could do it. here is the problem. he's gaining the moral high ground right now. this is exactly what democrats would want him to do. right now, he's seeming reasonable, offer income rises, he's going to the border, and the democrats are sitting there saying no, no, and the make it once he invokes emergency powers, the conversation changes from what's happening to the border to abuse of power. to a lawsuit. to a fight over power. >> martha: super quickly. >> he's going to have a problem in the courts because congress adheres funding, which the administration didn't spend, but for the wall. to go ahead and say i'm building
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the wall anyway, that's where you have the separations of powers issue that where i'm not sure how strong footing he has in the court. >> martha: thank you very much, guys. coming up next, the media paints an economic health gave as hellscape as the economic shutdown. but is it overhyped? coming up next. [friend] i've never seen that before. ♪ ♪ i have... ♪
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>> realistically, how long do you think... >> i can't tell you. all i can tell you is i feel very badly for people who have family members who have been killed that should've never happened. those are the people i'm thinking most about. >> martha: when that was in response to a question about concerns that the president may or may not have the not getting paychecks after this friday. president del make the president said that's washington as a shutdown wears on, some people e media sounding alarms calling it a doomsday scenario. nbc saying this, we are facing an economic health jim jordan in north carolina course congressman mark meadows.
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do you agree with that? >> obviously not. we are talking about a partial shutdown. we are talking about day 20 right now. what this comes down to is the democrats have not been negotiating. they offered zero money for the wall day one for the wall. they are offering zero money today for any border -- b1 do you think they will change their tune on that? >> i was hopeful that they will. if you can find one democrat -- >> martha: saying not that we are against border security... >> but they are, martha. i get that, but you've heard the rhetoric before. i can tell you that when you look in the eyes of my democratic colleagues, they aren't serious about negotiating. >> martha: there is a meeting on the hill in senator graham's office, jared kushner, the president's advisor, son-in-law was there. the suggestion that they may be discussing, early discussions about a daca trade for the wall. >> we can get to an agreement of
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the democrats would be more focused on helping the country and more less focused on stopping the president. congressman horn who will make the oklahoma city seat. do you think obama wants a boardwalk which if democrats will support what they supported a few years ago. negotiations are happening? that's all good but as mark said, i did not think they are serious about it. they are not serious until joe cunningham in that seat and congressman horn in that seat, andy andy >> she's a former cia agent. she takes security seriously which i do not doubt she does. in terms of this argument about the daca, why not open that? the president brought it up in the past -- >> you mentioned senator graham.
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i've been more on the phone with senator graham than really anyone else. he's had a lot of thoughtful conversations with some of the senators. even with that, he put partial daca, in exchange for border barrier funding. and dick durbin says, it's going to cost you a lot more than that. >> martha: even if they do that, they aren't going to -- but i'm asking you, because you guys have been very much against that. are you telling the president, daca is a nonstarter? >> i think when you look at a pathway to citizenship, can we do something on those and how it's constructed. but i think a lot of it is a moot point right now. literally they are not discussing anything. it's like throwing darts at a wall and hoping to hit a bull's-eye when there is no target up there. >> martha: dan crenshaw, a new member of congress, says he's going to forgo his salary during the shutdown. >> we were ready put out -- i think both of us put out -- >> >> the end of the letter...
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be one saying you would also vote no. >> we've gone public with that. the federal workers, the pain they are suffering, it's not lost on us. but i just came from the house floor. let me tell you. all we need to do is stay here and get it done. i challenge argument will make them regret >> martha: do you not care about senate workers because they are all democrat voters? >> i tell you that the majority of public workers, unions, support democrat -- whether they are democrat or republican, the unions typically -- >> we supported a border security wall which everybody knows needs to happen for there is a crisis on the border. anyone who's been watching this caravan phenomenon those this crisis. build the board security wall. as mark said, democrats don't want to seem to talk about that. >> martha: congressman, thank you very much. here now to respond to my freshman democrat response down the congresswoman katie
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hill from california. she held a g.o.p. held district 40-50 years but you been listening to the conversation. what's your response? >> thank you for having me. i come from a law-enforcement family. my district is made up largely of the republicans. like you said, it's been held by a republican for its entire time it has existed. when i went home last weekend to do a town hall, my first week in office, i heard overwhelmingly from law enforcement professionals, from veterans, they are the ones being impacted the most. we have a federal prison just outside our district. there are tons of air traffic controllers and aviation workers in our district. ours is the hub of aviation and aerospace. we have fbi agents who are severely impacted. >> martha: do they want you to negotiate on border security and say, look, instead of saying zero or nonstarter, let's talk about this? let's get the border secure? law enforcement officials want you to do that?
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>> everyone recognizes border security is an issue. but what we want, what we are arguing for, and where i feel very strongly, is you cannot use the government's functions as a bargaining chip. we should have this debate. we should have exactly what they are talking about, the debate around daca, the debate around tcp s recipients, what border security is right for our -- >> martha: what do you say to those who say we know how the story ends. if you don't bundle it, it doesn't force anyone at the table and it never, ever happens as we've seen for decades. >> for me, that's a failure of governance. they suggested something that i think is pretty powerful, which is you do not get to go home until you finish something. again, it shouldn't be a regular people whose lives depend on their paychecks. 80% of americans are living from paycheck to paycheck. in my district, i know that's the case. i have people who are having to pick up -- again, they are law enforcement professionals who are literally keeping us safe from terrorist who are kept
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in a federal facility just outside of our district that are having to pick up second jobs as huber uber drivers. she's a single mom, she works in aviation, she doesn't know how she's going to feed her kids. >> martha: it sounds like we need to secure the border and get the government open. thank you very much for your and i'm glad you came in tonight. >> thank you so much. >> martha: biting, blistering, and scathing. those are some other words being used to describe secretary pompeo's rebuke of president obama's middle east policy. general keane weighs in. we are going to show you part of the speech. you can decide yourself. right after this. >> the age of self-inflicted american shame is over. saved an average of $412," you probably won't believe me. but you can believe this, real esurance employee nancy abraham. look her up online. esurance, it's surprisingly painless.
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>> martha: secretary of state pompeo on a nine city tour in the middle east delivering what "the new york times" calls "a scathing and quite personal and rejecting of president barack obama's approach to the middle east, excoriating mr. obama from fundamental misunderstandings about the region that underestimated the tenacity and viciousness of radical islamism." take a look at the strikingly different messages in 2009 and then today.
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>> asalam malakum. >> it was here in the city where another americans do before you. he told you that radical islamist terrorism does not stem from an ideology. >> islam is not part of the problem in combating violent extremism. it's an important part of promoting peace. >> he told you 9/11 let my country to abandon its ideals is particularly in the middle east. the continued efforts of these extremist to engage in violence against civilians have led some in my country to view islam as inevitably hostile not only to america but western countries, but also to human rights. all this has bred more fear and more mistrust. >> he said "needed a new
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beginning." >> i've come to cairo to seek a new beginning between united states and muslims around the world. >> of the good news is this: the age of self-inflicted american shame is over and so are the policies that produce so much needless suffering. now comes the real new beginnin beginning. >> martha: all right. joining me now, general jack keane. good to see you tonight. interesting comparisons there. what do you make of this? >> i think he wanted to draw the contrast of what he suggested, obama's vision and timidity dealing with the middle east had some serious, dire consequences that lead to regional instability. for example, pulling out of iraq prematurely got us isis. not assisting the new libya regime that opposed qaddafi with military training. got us a failed state, not resisting the opposition forces
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in syria, led to one of the great human catastrophes post-world war ii. what his position is in the united states for the middle east now, and force for good, promoting stability, asperity. i've got to tell you. this trip was planned out weeks ago. the point was to make sure that the allies in the region are pushing back on the iranians and that also we are organized to deal with radical islamic ideology, which its origin is political and religious. the nature of this trip changed after president trump made his withdrawal decision in syria. one word has replaced the tour, and that's reassurance. reassurance to all of these allies that the united states is not leaving the middle east. quite the contrary. we are going to stay engaged there, because they became confused as a result of that withdrawal decision. so this is -- it's fortunate and fortuitous that this visit was
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already planned, and the secretary of state has this opportunity to provide that reassurance. >> martha: he said that the age of self-inflicted american shame is over. what did you think of that line? >> well, i thought it was a good line. i had a lot of problems with president obama's speech in cairo. and many other speeches that he made. one of the pattern lines, at least for the first two years of his administration, was apologizing around the world for the united states' behavior. post-world war ii, there's never been a country that has provided so much stability and so much security at the sacrifice of american youth in helping europeans in the far east, southeast asia. very extraordinary. never been a country like us who's ever done something like that but we don't have to apologize for anything. have we made mistakes click make you betcha we made mistakes. but for a force of good, there's no country that has provided that? >> martha: what's the message
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to russia when they watch this. and to iran who may have been arrived stomach relieved by the news that the president would like to pull troops out of syria. >> no doubt that russia has a strategy to replace the united states. a position we have held since post-world war ii. they want to take a strategic position. the iranians have -- lebanon, syria, they almost own it. iraq, more political influence in iraq than we have. yemen, they are trying to overthrow that country because they want to challenge saudi arabia, yemen's right to the south of it. so they are on the march. russia is in there now with a political and military alliance, working together against u.s. national interests and those of our allies. >> martha: thank you very much. >> good talking to you, martha.
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>> i want to know what you want to do. >> i'm telling the truth. >> i'm innocent! i'm innocent of this charge. >> you're prepared for an fbi -- feel you're saying there's never been a case where you drink so much that you didn't remember what happened the night before or part of what happened? >> you're asking about black out -- i don't know, have you? >> i have no drinking problems. >> nor do i. >> are we on the urge of another intense confirmation battle? the senate judiciary committee is preparing to hold a hearing for attorney general nominee william barr. the president's pick to replace matthew whitaker.
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back then, he sailed through his senate confirmation process, or receiving unanimous approval. but today, the mood is different in washington, d.c., paid some president believe that "fox news @ night" is prejudiced against the mueller investigation due to a private memo he sent in june of last year with critical comments about the overall probe. >> i have real concerns about bill barr being the attorney general since he seems to have lobbied for the job by showing that he wants to undermine the special prosecutor. >> someone who has prejudge the investigation may have valid credentials and they'll make criminal law but probably like justice kavanaugh, chosen by donald trump for the wrong reasons. >> if he comes in and rosenstein is gone, is this just a preface to either undercutting the investigation or keeping the results of it hitting? >> martha: my next guest was just appointed to the senate judiciary committee. and met with mr. barr. the video earlier there, senator joni ernst is a senator from iowa. >> things
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>> thanks. >> martha: you met with mr. barr. did you ask him if he would protect the mueller investigation? >> we spoke little about the mueller investigation because i long said that if there are leads that show russia collusion, those should be followed. but we did focus on where more of the aspects of is he going to uphold the constitution and the rule of law? will he work with me on important topics with me like immigration and violence against women. all of those he affirmed. >> martha: so -- you called in this memo that he sent in june of '18, the mueller probe legally disastrous. basically he believes that this part of the investigation is based on an insupportable reading of the law. but he also has said in comments since then that he would not do anything to get -- you just talked about it a little bit. what did he say? >> right.
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well, i believe, and what i believe he'll do is follow any leads that are valid. the again, going back to the fact that the original intent of that is to discover if there was any collusion with russia in that presidential election cycle. so if we see president of that, certainly that investigation should continue. i believe that he would be supportive of that. >> martha: lindsey graham is the incoming chairman of the judiciary committee which he now sits. here he is talking about bill barr earlier. watch this. >> his opinion of mr. mueller is very high in terms of ethics, cares of his professionalism. i asked mr. barr directly, do you think that mr. mueller is on a witch hunt? do you think he would be fair to the president and the country as a whole? he said yes. >> martha: we played a clip of
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the kavanaugh hearing, people still get shutters because it was a brutal experience on all sides of the aisle watching all of that play out. do you think we are in for something along the lines with his confirmation process? >> i would hope not. i would hope that senate democrats would understand that this is a different situation. we need to take every confirmation and vent them separately. what we experience through the kavanaugh hearings is part of our past and the democrats are objective as a look at william barr as qualification for it eral,s been confirmed three tims previously by the united states senate. >> martha: there's a lot of focus on the mueller report. there will be a decision to be made when robert mueller files that report whether or not it should be made public. do you believe it should be made public way to make there is some
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indications that the white house might perhaps seek to delay it or to redact sections of it under executive privilege. what's your opinion on that? thinkc has a right to know what mueller has been doing through the investigative process and whatever comes up comes up. we have invested a lot of time and dollars into this. i think our taxpayers deserve the opportunity to know what the federal government has been spending his money. >> martha: you and marsha blackburn are a two -- the first two g.o.p. women to sit on the judiciary committee. does that matter? that there are women who represent your party on that panel? >> absolutely. there are a lot of issues that women care very much about. i do think that we need to be reflective of our constituency. i'm excited about the opportunity. i know that senator blackburn is as well. i look forward to moving through these committee hearings and the number of the nominations that are going to come forward.
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we have a lot of judges yet to confirm and i think having conservative women and our voices in that committee will be very important. >> martha: i think the previous panel was imprinted on the american consciousness and the last one will be interesting to see new faces as we watch this confirmation process play out. thank you very much. >> thank you, martha. >> martha: thank you very much for being on "the story." thank you for your time. my really interesting morning. when i interviewed president trump's campaign manager brad parscale, the president has a serious and unreported advantage over democrats. he believes heading into 2020. >> if i look at data right now, the same kind of data, the president was del mike is light years ahead of where we were last election.
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spewing his campaign manager, brad parr scale, got a lot of attention is now opening up on border security, the russian investigation, his mind and how he works and how he sees all of this is quite interesting.
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take a look. you said the president, according to your internal polls, has the highest numbers you have ever seen him at. >> so we've been monitoring him over the entire two year period and prior to that. but we started it all over when he became president and he got into office. watching the data, i started to see this arise as he started making this fight. i'm not surprised by it. if you go back and look, look at people who are these swing voters, these people who possibly did not like him for personality or a different reason, the number one reason they will vote for him? is because of his stands on border security. >> martha: you are not going to talk to me about the number. we have about 42%, average of polls as you know. >> the way i look at it is more relative. it's relative based on the success of every day. >> martha: you've credited facebook in terms of your targeting strategy when president trump won in 2016. how is your facebook strategy going to change for 2020?
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>> being an incumbent, building a different outlet in 2016. 2016, very grassroots for the campaign sometimes at its best operated at a fraction of what was probably needed. it was mobile, changing, adapting. this was a man running his first candidacy ever. in 2020, the operation is different. this is going to be a much larger ground gain. this is going to entail new technologies for facebook is still going to have a play, but we've already harvested what we need on facebook. the way you have to look at it is we need to harvest and bring people into become direct contacts, cell phone numbers, email addresses, with things we have direct contact but a good candidate might have four-5 million by election day. we'll be 40-60000000. we'll have everybody who could vote for the president in direct contact method by election day. that's what we're seeing this seeing the synergy. >> martha: that's the thing that obama ran on. when everyone came on the rally,
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they get their information. is that the same way you're doing it? >> but on steroids. we are doing more -- >> martha: how are you getting people's information? >> that's why the president is announcing this so early. what are you doing three years out? we are going to top level funnel marketing. we need to find every person that's going to vote for the president and would vote for the president and go find them now. it's a lot cheaper to find them now, not when the media gets all full of it in downlink and advertising is more expensive and we have to rush. >> martha: how are you finding them? >> all different kinds of advertising. i do not want to give away our secrets on tv, but a lot of different methods to find them across america, especially key states. >> martha: gave me an example. >> the other day during the border fight, we had an advertisement up that said, text "trump" 288002. anyone could pick up. 88022, then they could have direct contact with us. at election time comes, we want
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to speak to them because now we have their cell phone number. >> martha: before the oval office spoke the other night, you are fund-raising off that speech -- >> no. anytime we are fighting and people say, yes, i'm with you. we give them a chance to connect with us, fight with us, support us. it might not be asking for money, it just is combined with us. we give them a method to do that. we have not directed any fund-raisers -- this is a fight for the american people and not for the president's reelection account. this is a real argument the president needs to make. >> martha: in 2016, the success of the trump campaign hinged a lot on what was called "a rural revolt," voters who had not been reached out in a long time. president trump campaign in places where they have not seen candidates for a long time. in the midterm, we saw something different. a suburban revolt, if you will. college-educated women who may have voted for president trump or voidable republicans who then switched over to democrats. a lot of people believe
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pennsylvania, for example, is no longer purple looking at 2020. that it is blue. do you agree with that? what are you going to do in pennsylvania? >> i do not agree. the data does not show there was suburban woman revolt. between 2014-2018, there was no change in the vote in the republican party between the suburban women, by women educated. if i look at the data right now in the pottery 20, the same type of data, the president is light years ahead of where we were election night 2016. >> martha: you spend $44 million on facebook last time around the? >> it was a lot of money. >> martha: what kind of investment do you imagine in 2020? >> it depends on how you look at it but we are spending a million of dollars across networks now. by 2020, it's a billion dollars. it's a different game. that game is over a few months. this game is over four years. we can begin fight now. the democrats can go fight amongst all of them now, they have to come out of their convention and a three-month run like we had? we are already doing that.
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doing more than any campaign has done before and still two years out. >> martha: i want to ask you a little bit about cambridge analytic they obviously ran into a huge headwind and basically blew up when it was discovered that facebook had given them proprietary information, on people's friends list, all of that. there are people from cambridge analytica working on the 2020 campaign. is that right? >> we never use that social information, none of that psychographic data. we never use that stuff. i did hire out of cambridge four staff, it worked with us but i work with a couple of those staff members because they are talented people and should be punished because the people who ran the company didn't know what they were doing, they were not very good people. i'm not going to blame one individual who helped us win the 2016 election by being smart and other kinds of work that had nothing to do with that and blame them for something the media made a hike out of them i
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had nothing to do with that. i had nothing to do with what cambridge did at the top and other things they did. >> and a couple of questions in regards to the russia investigation. you said the mueller investigation needs to end. obviously it has not so far. news this week that paul manafort sharing 2016 polling data and information with a man named konstantin: nick. the fbi says this individual has ties to russian intelligence. here's what judge and the napolitano said about that revelation which inadvertently slipped out this week. >> this shows that bob mueller can demonstrate to the court without the demonstration of paul manafort that the campaign had a connection to russian intelligence and the connection involved information going from the campaign to the russians. the question is was this in return for a promise of something from the russians and did the candidates, now the president, know about it? >> martha: what did you say to that? >> at the time, i was not in the
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position i ended up in the campaign, so i do not actually know what occurred at that time. my role did not pick up, and i said this multiple times until after metaphor left, in the vacuum of taking over these operations. i do not know anything about it. i do not know what i've heard. probably the same time you did what occurred. >> martha: paul manafort never said -- can you give me some data? >> i was not with the campaign at that point. >> martha: never any interconnection? >> i was not in charge of data until after paul manafort left. >> martha: zero interaction with paul manafort? >> i never talk to him about that kind of stuff. the only thing we talked about was simple advertising, website stuff, very simple at the time. never had any indication about that stuff. >> martha: any indication of the information he asked for could have ended up in the troll farms of st. petersburg that people have been indicted for? >> i've continued to say, i've never seen any symbolism -- any kind of connection between anything we've done.
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i've said only on facebook, they spent less than $10,000 and we spent over $70 million in digital advertising and $10,000 is a little microsecond of what we were doing. no way it had any impact. >> martha: back to the campaign for a moment. speculation the president should face a challenger. he said he's going to see who's running. john kasich said if there's an opening and an opportunity, it's something he would consider. what would be the impact on trump 2020 if that happens? >> the first thing is you have the most popular republican president in history. he usually goes anywhere from 87%-90% approval rating with republicans bear that would probably be the biggest uphill battle in history. you also have one of the strongest campaigns in history. a party which is now the party of trump. you see a following across this country of what trump-ism has become. i think it's a leftover of a few
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people that they never figured out how to consolidate the republican party and never figure out how to win in this president did. i think you have got some old republicans that are a little sad that they were never important or relevant. >> martha: some people flashed back to bush 41 and they say, well, perhaps president trump's i will be the wall promise could echo "read my lips, no new taxes." if he does not get the wall, it could be the thing that helped to win the thing in 2016 could sink him in 2020. >> this president cannot make legislation. so someone has to make legislation for him to sign it. he can see that this president is going to fight -- be one at the campaign promise, nonetheless. >> he's fighting for it every single day appeared he's going to keep fighting for it and he's going to get a billion dollars in port security. >> martha: do you believe by the time the campaign rolls around, we will get a wall? >> it's not about a wall.
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it's about border security. >> martha: even when he was asked that, it is a wall. >> walls do work. but he said multiple times, places we don't need a wall. natural barriers, other ways to do it. it's not all about a wall. we do need a wall. walls worked great. you've got billions of dollars already for one pit i think you'll finish a large portion of the wall and hopefully all of it. something he's working for. border security is broader than that. there is child trafficking that's a problem. there are drugs pouring across these borders. also, it's just an unfair world where people want to come to come to the most open legal immigration country in the world and when one country floods in illegally, it limits all the other countries to have a fair chance at the same dream. >> are you concerned about the economy, what's number one issue looking ahead to 2020? >> the economy is strong. i think that's occurring. i think that the economy is going to continue this. i think the left is worried about what's happening with the success of trump and they want to spit out a narrative across
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the media that there is some trouble. the stock market is going down, they continue to do that, they've been doing it for generations. job growth in this country is just unreal. the success americans are having all over this country is unreal. and they are going to vote for that in 2020 peer they always will. >> martha: before i let you go, would you rather run against beto o'rourke or joe biden? >> i don't not think biden has a success record in the past. i'm going to build the organization that's ready to fight all of them and this president is going to be ready to buy all of them and they will have a long ways to catch up to us. >> martha: brad parscale, thank you. good to talk to you. >> more of "the story" coming up next. the hitch? like you, your cells get hungry. feed them... with centrum® micronutrients. . . (vo) we're carvana,
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♪ >> sandra: san a live look righw not too far from here as president trump arrives at joint base andrews in maryland after a busy day at the border in texas. we are watching, obviously, this story very closely. he met with a lot of folks who work on the border trying to get his message
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across that he believes there is a crisis at our southern border. the government still shut down. pretty easy to get around you see these days not a whole lot of traffic on the roads because of that thanks for watching the story tonight on this thursday. we will see you tomorrow night. tucker is up next. ♪ ♪ >> tucker: good evening and welcome to "tucker carlson tonight." the government shutdown continues at this hour as the debate over a border wall enters its fourth contentious week. neither side in this has shown any sign of willingness to compromise. this remains a stalemate as of now. the very definition of it. at least that's what it seems like from the outside. in fact, this debate is over. we're not getting a barrier along our southern border. we can't, not now, not ever. that possibility was permanently destroyed today by a fact-seeking missile of truth launched by one of our country's premier cable news outlets in a

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