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out there. thanks for inviting us into your home tonight. that's it for this "special report." fair, balanced, and unafraid. "the story" hosted by martha maccallum starts right now. good dog. >> martha: good doggy. and thank you much. fox news alert as we come in here tonight, breaking news out of houston, texas, the latest word that we are just getting is that at least three police officers have been shot according to law enforcement officials. not much known yet about the circumstances here. a lot of people on the ground you can see there are reports that one suspect is dead as officers searched for others, we will continue to bring you breaking news on this throughout the hour. and with that, good evening, everybody and thanks for joining us tonight. by martha maccallum. the other big story that we are following tonight, as we take a look -- >> who are we as americans? so let's answer that question to the world and each other right
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here and right now. >> martha: that is the question. who are we as americans? that is what all of this is going to come down to. capitalist nation offering the chance at economic success, one that allows markets to dictate winners and losers? with secure borders, or are we trending towards elements of socialism, health care for income perhaps. these are the big questions. this battlefield is clearly being drawn in these early stages. >> and we will deliver that right with medicare for all and we will guarantee that right with universal pre-k and debt free college. >> you're going to have to pay 2% a year of that amount over $50 million. >> martha: so the man who made billions bringing your $5 coffee and a place to hang out all day says harris and warren have it all wrong. he said he may run as an independent because he thinks that democrats are not working on behalf of the american peopl
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people. >> i will run as a centrist independent outside of the two-party system. we are living at a most fragile time. not only the fact that this president is not qualified to be the president but the fact that both parties are consistently not doing what's necessary on behalf of the american people and are engaged every single day and revenge politics. >> martha: revenge politics. so this could get interesting. another billionaire, mike bloomberg, who has said he could run and would run as a democrat pounced quickly said there's no way an independent can win in 2020, the great likely hood is that an independent would just flip the anti-trump vote and end up reelecting this president. joining me now, former press secretary and american first action senior advisor, sean spicer. good to see you tonight. lots of people in the pool or talking about getting in the pool on the democratic side.
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your reaction to this howard schultz news first? >> i'm a dunkin' donuts kind of guy but for once i'm actually excited for something from starbucks. if he gets in, it would be very helpful. i think not all independents are created equal and despite him trying to portray himself as a centrist, he has been a huge supporter of liberal causes for decades. that's fine. he supported hillary clinton, that's what makes the country great but you can't then turn it around and start to call yourself a centrist of the middle. him getting and would definitely be helpful to us as republicans because no matter what he wants to call himself, he has a long track record of supporting progressive causes and candidates that would really help us. so i am, as of this moment, going to become a big starbucks fan. >> martha: i'm sure he will be thrilled about that. he said that there's 40% of democrats in this country. the numbers really look like 39% independent, about that 34%
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democrat, 25% republican. so it's pretty clear that independents have grown in people having a party affiliation has shrunk a bit in recent years. does that create a different dynamic? >> again, two things i need to go back on. one is, as i said, all independents are created equal. folks on the right and the left that come in and just don't align with the party. that doesn't necessarily make them all the same. so in this case he's coming into this race basically as a progressive democrat that just doesn't want to go through the system. i understand that but that's who he is. that's vastly different from say another candidate who might get in a business background has been more on the right, which would take away -- and 92 -- i think pretty much skewed a little bit more to the right in terms of who he took from them the left. in this case i definitely think he would take a lot more from the democrats and help the republicans but the second thing that i think is also missing and this is that when you look at the numbers very raw, as you
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did, how many people are registered? it looks like independents are out there but when you actually break down independents, something we did extensively at the rnc, we assigned a voter score to every single voter, you find there are a lot of people who may not want to call themselves a republican or a democrat but devoted pretty much their lifetime as a republican or democrat, they just don't like the label so when you really drill down on most voters, they may not want to call themselves or align with a particular party but they are truly not independents that gets weighted election. generally speaking they align with a party the majority of the time. >> martha: all right, so to this question about who are we that kamala harris proposed, david writes this about how democrats win in the atlantic. he says you want the candidate with the broadest possible appeal, trump will be beaten not by his fiercest enemy but by his softest supporters. you want to appeal to them.
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not chatter on social media about how you would like to punch their kids in the face, the reference to the covington high school story right there, what you think about that? >> are not a big fan of david, but he's kind of right. the democrats did really well last cycle, you got to give it to them but if you look at where they won in the trump districts, my state of virginia, they picked up a handful of seats. and it was those folks that ran to the middle that talked about areas where they could be more fiscally conservative that talked about national security that were able to make a competitive case against the republican incumbent in many instances. that's where i think they win. the funny part is they succeeded throughout so many house districts by running that strategy and get the lesson that many of their presidential candidates are taking, instead of going more to the center and talking exactly like that, they are pivoting to the left and going to the extreme, so it's ironic that they actually did well this past election in so many areas of the country. the centrist message and then to the left medially after.
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>> martha: that's the story of primaries essentially but when you take a look at what schultz is saying, and i don't know, time will tell and voters will decide if he's that person, i think anybody who would run as sort of a third party candidate would have to be so charismatic and have such a strong identity that they were able to potentially do that but what he's saying is these folks are way too far to the left and these folks who are on the right who aren't satisfied with president trump are potentially people that you could peel off. the softest supporters. so he's looking to build a constituency in that crowd. >> correct. and i think there is -- i don't dismiss independent candidates doing well. although we haven't really seen one since john anderson and ross perot. they kind of happen every decade or so but the reality is i'm not one of these people like mike bloomberg who dismisses them out of hand in terms of their ability to potentially win. donald trump invested 17 amazing candidates, blew through the system when no one gave him a
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chance. we are living in a world now where there are larger-than-life personalities that can do stuff. schultz's background as a successful ceo definitely -- and he's got billions of dollars. can self finance this thing. i think he's a credible candidate. don't get me wrong. i just think that his past history of doing this doesn't allow him to go after that right-leaning folks. he might be charismatic but at the end of the day they're going to say -- >> martha: that remains to be seen whether or not he really connects with people. quick thought on kamala harris. when people think of crowd size they sometimes think of you, sean and she had 20,000 people out there. pretty impressive showing. she was in oakland. she was in her home territory. what do you make of that in and of itself as a data point? >> hate to say this but it was a big crowd, right? >> martha: it was a big crowd. >> it was a really big crowd and i give her credit. there are people that are exciting. she has some of that there is no question people are enthusiastic about on the left and she has
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done a great job of energizing those folks. that speaks volumes. you mentioned it earlier. this is like they are going from the olympic sized pool to i don't know what because you've gotten now 30, 40 plus candidates that are jumping in. for her to have that degree of enthusiasm i think portends well for her. and i think people are excited about her. she has clearly tapped into something so as these other candidates on the left look at what they're going to do to announce or be different than whatever -- now they've got to realize that she's kind of set the bar for other candidates going forward. but she has shown that you got to have that combination of charisma, excitement, commitment to the extreme left. >> martha: she has generated that, to be sure. and i think some other candidates might take a look at her and say maybe i will wait a while and see if something happens, if she flames out or where this goes. thank you, good to see you as always. >> you back. >> martha: here now, mollie hemingway and former democratic senator from indiana and former
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governor of indiana. let me start with you, senator, first, if i may. what do you make of this sort of centrist movement that howard schultz was trying to put together? and how far to the left of out of the democratic symptom i candidates seem to be swaying. >> a couple things, martha, i do think it tends to be the middle where elections are won and lost and i think americans out there are now crying for practical problem-solving rather than ideology, left or right. if they want people who actually move the country forward in practical terms. but in the primaries, particularly presidential primaries a lot of the energy enthusiasm early on tends to be on the extremes of the two parties. so i'm a little worried about my own party going too far left. i just still don't think even with the changes in the country that if we are perceived as being sort of a socialist pacifist party that's the way to win a general election. so i'm hopeful that at the end of the day the democrats will come down to a choice, there will be a candidate to the left, no question about it, but there
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might be a more centrist alternative progressive, but not to progressive that would be more electable. >> martha: what do you think? >> you learn a lot about what's going on in each party by how they reacted to the news about howard schultz buried in the republican party, not a lot of concern. i think that's partly because despite the media caricature of trump that some extremist or radical, he actually has pretty central policies for a lot of people who were formally voting democratic or more independent. on the democratic side was basically a freak out when he announced that he was thinking about running because the party is having this issue of being so far to the left or needing to be so far to the left to win a democratic primary that can alienate other voters but that shows how schultz can serve a function by running. if by being a centrist out there who is an attractive option for people who aren't as radical as the base of the democratic party it might serve the function of pulling the democratic party a little bit more moderate from
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this radical direction that is going right now. >> martha: it is shocking in many ways i think just covering politics for all these years and looking at it, when you look at the candidates, what they are talking about, senator, in terms of socialism, in terms of 70% taxes on the wealthy, all of these ideas, which are generating so much heat right now and then you look at someone like a joe biden who watches all of this and thinks about getting in this race, what you think about that? >> i think there's going to be a space in the democratic party for a joe biden, for a michael bloomberg, for a more central, pragmatic problem-solving tech candidate. he will have ten or more candidates appealing to the far left element and they will get a lot of the headlines because some of these proposals are little bit out there, but at the end of the day i think a lot of democratic voters are going to come back to, okay, that may be dreamland, but we've got to get real here. who could not only win this election, but at the end of the
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day, who can govern? i'm still hopeful that all things will work out but a fair amount of uric democratic -- a fair amount of caution is in order. twice in my lifetime i party has carried one state in a presidential election so there is that capacity sometimes for the democrats to just get too far out of the mainstream. >> martha: thinkable. good to see you both, thanks for being here tonight. so it fox news alert as we get a look tonight live here in houston, texas, where there are reports of at least four police officers in a horrific shooting and possibly more. we will get a statement from the texas governor greg abbott when we come back. plus, now that the government is back open, can republicans really expect democrats to come through on their end of the dea deal? immigration compromise, which has been discussed that the president could sign. one of those democrats, who has suggested that there is room for compromise, joins me next. ♪
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>> martha: live shot of houston, texas, as we come back here. we are following this story very closely. this is a hospital for five officers are confirmed to have been struck and transported according to the statement from law enforcement there this evening. according to the statement from governor abbott, a horrific attack on our police officers is a solemn reminder of the service and sacrifice our brave men and women in law enforcement make every day to keep us safe. the city of houston and the houston police department will have whatever state resources they need to bring swift justice to those involved. so five officers wounded and we will continue to give you updates on that throughout the course of the story tonight. so who is winning the shutdown and border wall battle that now has three weeks to be determined and decided before a potential
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next shutdown? with got some brand-new polls from public opinion strategies, which was commissioned by the president's 2020 campaign manager. they spoke to 800 voters in ten districts that trump won but are currently held by democrats in congress. they found that more voters than not approved of the president's job performance. 54% reporting his policies, positions on border security. 53% say they want to build a wall. these numbers are different than the national numbers that we see but this is a drill down on these ten districts that are democrats which trump won in 2016 so the average approval score for democrats in congress in these districts ranged between 20 and 35%. half of them thought the democrats should have taken the president's deal exchanging daca for border wall funding. katie hill is a democrat and
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member of the house oversight committee. she was also elected to be the freshman corepresented for leadership. good to see her today. thank you very much for being here. >> thank you for having me. >> martha: so you are in a district, you beat an incumbent republican in your district. the district was one that was won by hillary clinton but the district that has vacillated between republicans and democrats. if you came out with this tweet a few days back. "i'm excited to find common ground on competence of border security and immigration reform. none of that could've happened while americans were getting paid. at the right call, let's get back to work." so what copper mines would you like to see in the next few weeks? >> i think what we've already seen played out is really prioritizing border security. we know there are a lot of different ways we can do that, including technology and scanners and really fortifying ports of entry and some barriers are going to be part of that as well. so i think we've got this great group of appropriators who are meeting in conference.
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i think their first meeting is on wednesday to really drill down and from everything that i know, if you let them do their work than they will come to a good deal so i'm excited to see how that plays out. >> martha: i know you supported nancy pelosi but she has said she would give a dollar for border security at this point. are democrats like you feeling like she's not in sync when you need to be with your district? >> she's never said she won't give a dollar for border security. she said she won't give a dollar to the wall. and i think all of us just collectively have kind of abandon the notion of a 2,000-mile long barrier. >> martha: right in the same boat with the president, because that's not what he's asking for either. and as i said last time we spoke it sounds like you're very lined up. places that need to be shored up need to have a wall, barrier, yes? >> i would say a barrier. again, we should look at more technological. >> martha: is like the word that cannot be said. >> i know, i know, and that's frustrating, right? >> martha: to stop people from getting across, correct? >> correct. i think that, honestly, there's
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a lot more common ground than most people realize because there has been this whole battle, right, of the semantics around a while and the shutdown in general but i really believe that we are going to have something that we can come to a great deal of agreement on. i just think that it's going to be a matter of making sure that we will all kind of agree that this is going to be a compromis compromise. >> martha: so everybody was sort of happily file in to the white house for a big signing ceremony and there will be border security in america? >> there will definitely be border security. i guess we will see how the tone kind of shifts over the next couple of weeks. i would be so thrilled if we could all file into a happy signing. but i think there's a lot of factors at play there. >> martha: thank you very much, go to happy with us. join me now, charlie hurt, charlie, thank you for being here. i want to get your thoughts on what you saw in this new set of poles. as i said, they were commissioned by trump 2020, the campaign manager. but they were done by a couple
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of pollsters who work with bush and mitt romney, an outside group. what you make of these numbers? >> i think the most important numbers are the ones that you pointed out, showing that there is a solid ten-point advantage that president trump has in terms of wanting to build some sort of physical barrier but the thing that must be even more troubling for democrats or this democratic leadership in the house, is the fact that when you drill down under realize the more that voters learn about the proposals that president trump is putting forward, the more they like it. and the reason these districts are so vitally important is because, as you point out, these are districts that president trump won but are now represented by democrats in the house, and as you know, the house is designed to be the closest body to the people. those people representing those districts, they don't have the
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luxury that nancy pelosi and leadership in the house of representatives have for getting into these partisan fights. what matters is the sensible stuff and the sensible argument that's been made over the last several months about this is all about border security and donald trump is the one who's force that issue to the forefront. >> martha: we heard a lot from these national polls about how the whole shutdown was bad for president trump and it was good for nancy pelosi and on a national level when they look at those polls, that may be true but when you drill down on these messages, as you say, you're probably one of the most interesting things here, that the move towards president trump was from 27-33 after the messaging came across that the border will improve security. during that same time, that same messaging set nancy pelosi down four points from 28 to 24. quick last thought here. >> and of course it's not just in these districts. if you take the partisanship and all the squalling back-and-forth
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that we hear in terms of politics, if you take that out i think that those policies that president trump is talking about with building some kind of barrier, securing the border, the popularity of that cuts across democrat, republican -- those are very generally popular positions and that's why donald trump not only won the republican primary, but then went on to win the general election in 2016. >> martha: and congressman katie hill sounds like she's on board with something like this too. we will see where we get on the next few weeks, good to see you. we are getting word on the condition of those five officers shot in houston, we will bring you an update as soon as we come back. also tonight, gregg jarrett on the biggest thing that people are missing in the news that happened on friday with roger stone. he wrote the book, he's up next. ♪ ize my insurance, and as a fitness junkie, i customize everything. like my bike and my calves.
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♪ >> in roger stone's case the charges of that indictment have literally nothing to do with the president and have to do with his communications with congress. >> martha: sarah huckabee sanders today insisting that roger stone's arrest is not indicative any wrongdoing of the president. trump's former political advisor was arrested friday on charges of obstruction and lying to congress and witness tampering. some, including my next guest, guest, -- gregg jarrett is fox news legal and political analyst and author of "the new york times" best selle best seller, the russia host, the illicit scheme to clear hillary clinton and frame donald trump, so obviously you have covered this very, very closely from the very beginning. it's good to have you here tonight. first of all, so the acting ag, mark whitaker, says that he believes they are almost done. why is he saying that?
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>> i think that's about right. because look at the nature of the most recent indictments. roger stone for a process crying. it is proof yet again that there is no known evidence of trump-russian collusion. this is a process crime that is an offense against mueller essentially, an offense against his investigation. if he had some evidence of trump-russia collusion and stone was conspiring with wikileaks or julian assange or the russians, he would have been charged and so would others. >> martha: talking to a lot of people over the course of this weekend, he may get a gag order when he goes to the arraignment on tuesday, we will see. but he basically said that he would consider talking to mueller's lawyers, having lawyers talk to the lawyers, and i got a lot of attention. here he goes, he's about to flip. is that what you see? >> not at all. that's what you always say, sure, we will talk, but i don't see roger stone going the way of
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george papadopoulos or michael flynn who finally threw in the towel and copped a plea. stone is a different kind of an animal and he should take this to trial because a false statement charge is exceedingly difficult for prosecution to prove because the statute said the false statement has to be knowingly and willfully made. that's almost impossible to prove a faulty recollection or if your recollection of something is different than the way mueller interprets it, that's not a crime. >> martha: so andy mccarthy was named he thinks that the senior campaign official which some people are asking is that the president, those direct conversations with the president, who directed, according to the indictment, roger stone to contact wikileaks and see if they had anything, which roger stone says his politics and that's what happens all the time, mccarthy said
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that's proof, in his mind. if the term campaign was in cahoots with the russians and they were running a collusion operation together they wouldn't need roger stone to be like go see if wikileaks knows anything because of her body at that point, as you and i well remember, covering this whole story, was hearing something was going to drop, a bad story on hillary clinton. >> he came out in june of 2016 and said he had damaging information on hillary clinton he was going to release in the form of emails and roger stone did exactly what hundreds of journalists were doing, myself included. i tried contacting him and wikileaks and others to gain more knowledge of what was contained in these things so and he is absolutely right. roger stone, if he made any mistake he sort of created the appearance that he knew more than he really did. >> martha: i think that -- we will see where this all goes. we will see what they have, but i think that's one of the interesting lines here because
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it seems like he was on a campaign, he was pushed off the campaign, not working in the white house, wanted to have some goods, wanted to be able to say i think i have something, i'm having dinner with julie and assigns. other look at that discussion and say it's ridiculous of him to say that he was joking. he was not joking. he was meeting with julian assange. the other side of the coin is that he loves to pull himself up. >> of course. let's assume he did have inside knowledge of what was contained in those stolen or hacked emails. that's not a crime. i could have had inside information on it and i could have published it and that's not a crime. i could've told everybody about it. not a crime. only if you conspire to engage in the hacking itself or the stealing is that a crime and there is no allegation of that in this indictment. and if mueller had it he would have brought such an indictment.
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he doesn't have that. all he's got mostly our old tax fraud cases against manafort and rick gates and process crimes of you are not telling the truth in my investigation. these are charges that are generated or created by robert mueller himself. >> martha: we will see. gregg jarrett, thank you very much, good to see you tonight. thanks. we are following the breaking news out of houston tonight where there are reports of five officers who have been shot, an update on their condition from houston coming up next. ♪ -here comes the rain.
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serving a narcotics warrant on at least one suspect in the southeast houston area near the shipping channels and we know three suspects were inside the residence. it's unclear how many open fired on police but a neighbor heard more than a dozen rounds fired and houston pd has confirmed come as you said, that five officers have been shot. some may have been undercover. two of them are reportedly critical. no word on the conditions of the others but we saw video of one officer who was conscious being taken away on a gurney and at least one officer was taken away by a helicopter, all of the injured police officers have been taken to memorial hermann hospital, which is a level one trauma center. as for the suspects, the numbers are still in flux. the mayor says one is confirmed down. there are reports one or two are dead and two others are still inside the residence. their status has not been released. and s.w.a.t. teams are now on scene, which is not necessarily an indication that a standoff is
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underway but there are numerous reports that at least one suspect has barricaded inside and a neighbor just hauled into a local tv station saying that he can hear police trying to negotiate with people inside. the police presence, as you imagine, is a mentor. we are talking houston pd, the harris county sheriff's department and the department of public safety and texas governor greg abbott is allocating any needed resources. clearly you can see from the video the scene remains active and very dangerous. we will continue to bring you breaking news updates as we get more. at five houston police officer shot, two of them right now critical. >> martha: trace, thank you very much. coming up next, nbc's tom brokaw says he is sorry for this. >> i also happen to believe the hispanics should work harder at assimilation. >> martha: geraldo rivera coming up next on that. ♪ y situations. and put irritation in its place.
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♪ >> i also happen to believe the hispanics should work harder at the assimilation. that's one of the things i've been saying for a long time. they ought not to be just codified in their communities, but make sure that all of their kids are learning to speak english and that they feel comfortable in the communities that's going to take outreach on both sides, frankly.
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>> martha: those remarks from tom brokaw yesterday on "meet the press" prompting a wave of backlash, mostly on twitter, where you find the waves of backlash. and an apology from tom brokaw himself writing in a series of tweets "i feel terrible on my comments offended some hispanics and members of that culture. i'm truly sorry my comments were offensive to many. it's to be celebrated and cherished." here now, geraldo rivera, author of the memoir the geraldo show. good evening, good to have you with us tonight. >> hi, great to be here. >> martha: great to see you too. here reaction, a lot of incoming for him on twitter, which is the way it is these days, but what did you think of his actual comment? did it deserve the backlash that it got? >> i think it probably did. i think it was shockingly uninformed. according to pew research and all the others that study the 45 million latinos in this
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country, they are assimilating at a rate that's faster than any other ethnic group in our history. the first crew in from weather metric mexico or central america or wherever, they come in and they are officially spanish language dominant. the survey shows that by the second-generation of the children are english-speaking dominant, the majority of them, and by the third generation they have to go to night school to learn expansionist and get a b because they don't speak spanish anymore. i don't know where tom got that observation, may be in front of the bodega on the upper west side of manhattan. >> martha: may be, i don't know. i just want to show you what brit hume said because i think one of the problems is that the discussion that you just had would have been a great discussion to have with him. it doesn't mean that he is racist or insensitive to other cultures during that's where it instantly goes. here's what he said. sorry to see tom brokaw catching up for saying that hispanics need to do a better job of assimilating, this proves that any criticism of any nonwhite
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ethnic group is all automatically considered racist and shows other national consensus against racism has been weaponized. >> i certainly appreciate his observation. but you have to be blind not to look in texas or in florida or in california or indeed in new york and chicago, in orlando and not see a culture that is assimilating -- that is blending with the fabric of the american society in a way that is very traditional and has accelerated by the pervasiveness of the media. hispanics are becoming an important parcel of the nation in a way that is very, very impressive. they are adding to the gross national product. they are becoming phds and so forth and i think for tom to make that statement, and i really don't think it was made maliciously. i think it may have been based -- i can't be his shrink and tell you why he said it. all i can say is the kind of throwaway statement that offends
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a lot of people unnecessarily. while brit hume is right and there's much too much defensiveness in these times when we're talking about a border wall, talk about relations with our hemispheric neighbors. if you got to be sensitive. >> martha: you make excellent points about the assimilation of hispanics in the country and it certainly feels that way and we watched generations of people come from ireland, italy, and it takes time and the generations overtime assimilate. perhaps there are some other groups that maybe you could say this about more accurately at this point, but that wasn't what the conversation was about. it was about hispanics in this country. but i think the point is that the importance of assimilation ends up in this sort of backlash that forces him to go on with these me a call fors over and over again on twitter which i think just said something kind of sad about where we are as a nation and our ability to have a conversation. >> i agree with that and going to twitter is a very difficult
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place, having been there myself. but i will say tom is -- he's a smart guy, he's a sharp guy. he's been around the block quite a few times. he knows that these things can trigger these many storms and it's unnecessary because the big story is that america absorbs these folks from the four corners. we take the best of them. that hybrid vigor makes us a stronger nation. we emphasize the value of immigrants wheresoever they hail and i just want to be a cheerleader for that. i'm an old-style integrationist. i'm for integration. i want everyone to have an opportunity to live wherever they want to, work wherever they want to. >> martha: absolutely american notions. i just want to show the bar of cleveland, so he went to a bar
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to celebrate -- >> let's go to the bar. >> martha: to celebrate the end of the shutdown with a whole bunch of workers. let's play some of this. >> how did you pull that off? >> we ring the bell, we cheered, we had no the president, the news would leak before the president spoke on friday that the shutdown was ending and all i wanted to do down at the harbor in, the old dive bar in cleveland from 1895, by handing out joint, i just wanted to show all the federal workers that their friends and neighbors cared about them in the midst of this gloomy shutdown last friday before the news. they had failed to senate votes on thursday. so we had folks from nasa there. the coast guardsmen there. we had people from all the different federal agencies that have been furloughed and unpaid for more than a month. so i thought it would be a nice
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thing to buy them a beer and tell them that we still love them and support them and then the news came, it sums like the president was listening. he then announced the end of the shutdown. of course we have a three week reprieve, we don't know where that ends, but hopefully -- >> martha: i'm sorry i wasn't there. i didn't know you are buying drinks for everybody. next time you're there, please give them my best. it looks like a great place to hang out. the harbor in in cleveland. thank you very much, good to see you tonight. see you soon. speaker pelosi may be extending an invitation to president trump, which she has done now, for the state of the union, february 5th. a group of border patrol wives have an invitation for her and we will speak with two of these women coming up next. ♪ ♪ there goes our first big order. ♪ 44, 45, 46... how many of these did they order? ooh, that's hot. ♪ you know, we could sell these.
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>> most of us, speaking for myself, consider the wall immoral, ineffective, expensive.
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>> martha: she's been skeptical to say the least about the idea of a wall on the southern border. now the wives of some of the border patrol agents have invited speaker pelosi to see through their eyes what they see every day going on along the rio grande in the region where they live. jill, writing an open letter on facebook "it appears you are not busy today or any day until tuesday when you will return from your four life and a vacation. since you see no threat here, i'm sure you can make a quick flight alone. you don't need to worry about those ms-13 gang members you will see running across the border. our guys and gals catch a lot of them." joining me now, jill and renee. thank you for being here. we saw your letter this morning and we thought it would be interesting to talk to you. jill, obviously there's a lot of attitude in that letter. what are you so unhappy about when it comes to nancy pelosi? >> it was written quickly and
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passionately to share with some fellow wives. it was more seeing some of the comments the speaker is making. we felt like she was not interested in seeing what's actually going on here. it's a very important part of the process to make a good decision on it. she seemed very unwilling. she makes a lot of statements for someone who wasn't actually been here to see what's going on. i think if she would come here, she could see for herself what's going on. three to 162,000 apprehension's of the border in your area. the rio grande area. it's difficult to put any kind of wall through there at all. she did visit about two years ago, the mcallen area. spent some time with humanitarian assistance folks. you wanted her to see it through the eyes of people like your husbands and other people who work on the border. what would you show her
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specifically? >> i think it's great that she came here and she went to visit where she did. it's a big difference, going on the line where the argument lies is the wall. i would love for her to just one day, one day ride along with agents, saying that it's necessary. that's what she needs to do. i want her to listen to them and maybe ride along where they are saying it's necessary and there's high activity levels. that's what we want. we want her to see that. >> martha: i think it's helpful for everybody to see both sides of the story. thank you very much for being here. nancy pelosi's office didn't respond. thanks, ladies. good to have you.
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