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notebook but this was a real final goodbye. how about that? thanks for inviting us into your home tonight. that's it for sp "special report," fair, balanced and still unafraid. "the story" guest hosted by sandra smith starts right now. hi, sandra. >> sandra: bret, good evening, thank you. a pair of hollywood actresses along with a slew of wealthy elites facing federal charges tonight in what some are calling quote, the worst scandal involving elites, universities in the history of of the united states. good evening, everybody i'm sandra smith in for martha mccallum. this is "the story." former desperate housewives star and oscar nominee felicity hoffman and loughlin accused of paying in some cases mull pay-million-dollar bribes to get their otherwise unqualified children into the nation's top universities. >> the parents are a catalog
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of wealth and privilege. we're not talking about donating a building so that a school is more likely to take your son or daughter. we are talking about deception and fraud. take test scores. fake athletic credentials. fake photographs, bribed college officials. for every student admitted through fraud, and honest, genuinely talented student was rejected. >> sandra: in moments attorney mark eiglarsh on the charges and whether the actresses could see jail time. plus, brit hume with his take on how the college culture has gotten to this point. but, first, trace gallagher is live in our west coast newsroom with the back story. trace? >> trace: sandra, the alleged scam dubbed operation varsity blues began in 2011 and just ended last month. prosecutors say dozens of parents paid an average of 2 to $400,000. some as much as 6.5 million to get their kids in to schools like yale, stanford
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georgetown and other elite colleges. paid the money to william singer. the college network. singer has already pleaded guilty would funnel the money to coaches and cleaning administrators to make kids look like star athletes. singer also hired ringers to take or correct sat and act tests for students and bribe the testing centers to alter the score. here is the fbi. >> this is a case flaunted their wealth, sparing no expense to sheet the system so they could set their children up for success with the best education money could buy literally. >> trace: the suspects include prominent law and business professionals along with actresses lori loughlin and felicity huffman. they paid $500,000 to have their two daughters labeled as recruits for the university of southern california's crew team.
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but court records show the girl's high school counselor knew they were not on the crew team and started asking questions about falsifying applications. still, 19-year-old olivia got in the usc and talked about cleenge college on her popular youtube channel. watch. >> i don't know how much of school i'm going to attend i will go in and talk to my deans and everyone and hope i can try to balance it all. but i do want the experience of like game days, partying, i don't really care about school as you guys all know. [laughter] >> trace: yeah, she later apologized about that. actress felicity huffman paid $15,000 to boost her daughter's sat score and sure enough it went up an astounding 400 points. the her husband the actor has not been charged. many suspects have agreed to cooperate including the former yale women's soccer coach who was paid $400,000 for recruit ago girl who never played competitive
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soccer. more arrests could soon be coming. sandra? >> sandra: trace gallagher, thank you. here now mark eiglarsh. it's almost hard to believe. we were live covering that press conference today at the u.s. attorney's office the fbi spoke the irs came up to the microphone and it's almost unbelievable when you see how far these parents went to get their kids in some cases multiple children into these elite universities. go ahead. >> it's extraordinary. and i will say it's wonderful and what i mean by that is now these kids are going to have an education about the criminal justice system courtesy of the u.s. government that will far exceed anything they get in these ivy league schools. san stan to be clear. so kids didn't even know about it, mark. you are talking about the parents here. >> clearly. listen, these kids are going to learn about accountability as they watch their parents being stripped of their liberty and becoming convicted felons in
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the federal arena. we're talking about the kids who were involved. boy, they are going to get a lesson. the other ones are going to get a lesson too. they will learn about how a mom and dad can't bend the rules to help their kids and be held accountable for it. >> sandra: we are looking at two actresses on the screen well-known actresses and can you just give us some idea of what sort of charges they face and what potential jail time they could sees a a result of this? >> yeah. i know a lot of people want to see them going to the pokey for lengthy periods of time. i don't see that happening. first of all, it depends on what charges they are ultimately indicted for. what they are arrested for includes certain bribery counts and fraud counts. i think that when you have sentencing and there is going to be sentencing. i read some of the transcripts. they are not going to go to trial. you know, you have presumed innocent but i read the transcript, for example, with the two actresses. it's there. it's in black and white what went on. they will be pleading guilty and wind up doing everything they can to mitigate their
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sentence and try to get probation. >> sandra: here is just some of the evidence of that in the criminal complaint it shows some of the emails that were exchanged between lori loughlin with her daughter actually on some of them going to the man at the center of all of this. i want to ask you about him, too. william rick singer. in this, email, she writes our younger daughter has not submitted all her college apps and is confused on how to do so. to which singer replies i responded by direct the employee to submit the applications on behalf of the younger daughter. that of course, is her husband of designer fame, so they weren't even filling out their own applications. this man at the center of it all was accepting this huge sums of money filling out the applications and basically conducting all the correspondence to get, in this case, her two children into college. >> singer is facing up to 65
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years in prison. they are going to reduce that tremendously in the federal arena because he cooperated. but he still should do time. he collected millions of dollars. he is at the center of all of this. he made it all happen without his assistance, however, we wouldn't have gotten to 50 others who are indicted. they took spots that other kids should have gotten. friends of mine whose kids are phenomenal at rowing now they don't get the coveted spot because some other kid's parent paid their way, it's abhorrent. >> sandra: it's disappointing and frustrating for so many learning the details of this criminal case tonight. mark eiglarsh, thank you. also here tonight fox news political analyst brit hume joins us. brit, i want to throw up a picture on the screen here. you just referenced the rowing and the amount of coaches we learned who were faking recruitment of potential college students who didn't even perform in the sport in which they were faked to be recruited for. this is a picture in which
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there is proof that william rick singer doctored the photo. he didn't doctor this photo. in fact, this was just a stock photo he said did i create the profile with the different picture that you can tell and he is writing this to a parent it's not her, referencing that person's daughter but it's athletic enough. and put in all the honors and awards to match. i mean, in some cases they were faking everything for these bribes and for these admissions to the universities, brit. brit brit it was fraud on a pretty grand scale from what those officials described today, sandra. and what strikes me about it is how unnecessary this all is. i'm -- my granddaughter now one is in college and the other one is coming up on that age. i remember when my daughter was at the same stage and my son as well and we were concerned about which college they were going to get into. one thing i remember from college is every university, every scheeng world unto itself. once you are there as a student, people at other colleges are kind of
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irrelevant to you. you live in that world. and it has its own pressures and its own atmosphere and as i say it's a world unto itself. it doesn't matter nearly as much where you are as you might have thought it would unless for some reason you don't like the school or climate or whatever. the point is there are all kinds of good schools. this peer pressure that parents feel and kids feel to be in these big-named universities and colleges is what causes this it's what leads people to be tempted to do things like this. and i think it's terribly unfortunate not least because i look back on my years in grade school, high school, and college, and i feel like most of what i learned proved really useful to me was in grade school and high school. what i learned in college was nice and i'm glad i went and i know it helped me get my first job. i also know, this sandra, after you get your first job out of college where you went to college doesn't really matter much anymore. you are working for people who are looking for somebody who can help them, busy people who want somebody who can take some work load off
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their hands or fill some slot in their organization and do it well. and that is what ultimately matters. and you know your own effort in ingenuity and so on account far more for some college credential for which people went to extraordinary lengths. >> that stress is real. there is no doubt about that for parents and for students, brit. i just wonder if this is the tip of the iceberg. in that preference this morning the fbi made it clear there are other coaches and other parents, other universities out there that they are still looking at. this investigation continues. >> well, it wouldn't surprise me if more of this is uncovered and, of course, one of the things that often happens in a case like this when one instance of this or one scheme one fraud is uncovered. somebody else may come forward here, or elsewhere. it wouldn't surprise me if this kind of stuff is happening all over the
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country. the other thing is that, you know, you think of the debt with which students are saddled with parents far less well off than these were who struggle to go to these schools. and, you know, you begin -- and i really do wonder today about the value of these prestige college educations. i don't think the grading is what it should be. i think grade inflation is a big problem that rigorous standards are not enforced. i think the honor system at the university of virginia where i went years and years ago has been watered down to the point where it doesn't teach the same values it once did in the same way it once did. a lot has been lost over the years and people seem to be paying more and more for it and acting crazier and crazier to get it it's regrettable. >> sandra: the u.s. attorney's office saying this morning because this was such an active investigation. this was all happening in recent years, so many of these students are still in
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the universities today. and think about how many students aren't where they rightly deserve to be because of this? >> i think that's true. my thought about that, sandra, would be that a lot of those students who didn't get the prestige slots at these famous colleges and universities undoubtedly went somewhere where they had available to them a pretty good education and if they showed, you know, real industriousness they got a good education and i suspect they were doing well and they will find as i have whatever they went to college is only important for a little while in life and after that it really doesn't matter very much anymore. >> sandra: work hard and that will reap the greatest rewards. brit hume, thank you. nice to see you tonight. >> thank you, san draft. >> sandra: breaking news in the covington case a lawsuit against cnn just filed. and it's even bigger than the lawsuit against "the washington post." you will see it right here first. we have that exclusively for you just ahead. plus, pilots say they have been complaining about the
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incidents without fear of repercussions. some of those complaints focused specifically on the plane's manual calling it, quote, inadequate and almost criminally insufficient. the boeing 737 max 8 has now been grounded in more than a dozen countries in the wake of sunday's crash in ethiopia. but here in the u.s., the faa is standing firm and nearly alone in allowing the plane to remain in the sky, here now republican congressman sam graves of missouri the ranking member of the house transportation and infrastructure committee. sir, good evening to you. thank you for being here. where do you stand on this issue? should these planes keep flying in our skies based on what we know today? congressman, can you hear me? >> i'm not getting anything. >> sandra: as it happens on live tv sometimes we don't have a connection there. but this is a story that continues to develop tonight. we have another guest on this.
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the president by the way did weigh in today tweeting are becoming too complex to fly. and writing i don't know about you, but i don't want albert einstein to be my pilot. i want great flying professionals that are easily and quickly take control of a plane. now we have scott brenner. do we have scott brenner here a former senior faa official. scott, thank you. we will try to get our other guest back in just a minute. scott, to you now. on what we are hearing tonight reported from the dallas morning news that there were warnings from pilots, anonymously pilots were going into the data base and reporting problems and insufficiencies. >> right. so, yeah. i mean, that system that you talk, about that's a great system and that's the reason why the u.s. has one of the safest aviation systems out there. however, they are right, boeing should have put more information in the manual
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about the system that triggers the nose down and some of the things that we are seeing today. >> sandra: why wouldn't boeing being saying that today? >> let me point out though, as soon as you start training on the 737 the aircraft that we are talking about, you get a couple of scenarios, one of the main scenarios is the one they call trim run away where you basically lose control of the back of the aircraft. and they are trained on that and that is like one of their primary exercises when they go in to flying this aircraft. so, yes, boeing should have put some more stuff in the manual, but, at the end of the day, these pilots are well-trained in how to handle this type of scenario should it ever occur. >> sandra: sir, understand san i understand it and see what comes from the cockpit distress calls and other things what was said between the pilot and co-pilot, but your point is taken but when
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thiessen sores kick the technology into place, isn't it the case that some of these pilots were taken off guard by it and didn't know how to react or what was happening because they were not adequately trained? >> that appears to be the case. i mean, in the first crash with the lion air crash that was more gross negligence on the maintenance. you had three separate occasions where pilots asked about that sensor. they replaced it twice and i don't know -- and clearly they didn't replace it correctly because that is the sensor that triggers the system that points the nose of the aircraft down because it's assuming that it's about to stall. so, there i think you have clear indication that there was a failure at the maintenance level. with the most recent crash, i don't think we know what happened, other than there are some similarities there. >> sandra: formerly with the faa and i'm going to get to my next guest here now, do you believe we should take these planes down from our skies at least for now?
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>> me, no. i do not. until we see the actual data coming out of the recorders, we see exactly what has happened, there is no reason to take these aircraft out of the sky. you have to remember, when we certify an aircraft, every bolt, every nut, every piece of aluminum and synthetic has been tested and retested so many times, that this is -- this is one of the safest aircraft out there. >> sandra: all right. >> until we know something different it would be foolish to take them out of the sky. >> sandra: scott brenner appreciate your time tonight. thank you. >> thank you. >> sandra: get back to congressman graves of missouri the ranking member of the house infrastructure committee. appreciate you hanging in there with us so we can get you back on there. congressman, where do you stand on this issue because there are members of congress that are saying we should ground all these flights. i want to throw first to senator blumenthal making that call. >> other countries are ahead of us in air safety if they
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ground these planes and we fail to do so. the 737 max 8 should be immediately grounded until the faa can assure us that they are safe. there is no reason that the faa should be trying to save face. its own face at the expense of air safety. >> martha: congressman? >> yes, i did. and i don't think any other country is ahead of us. the fact of the matter is the faa and the ntsb they are the world leaders when it comes to aviation safety. so, you know, let's get all the data. we have more data in 24 hours than most of the data in 48 hours. let's get all the data before we make any irrational decisions. >> sandra: i have got to tell you some people might be hearing that today and say well, you know, if this happened and other countries as a result and their equivalency of the faa have decided to take these planes out of the sky, why aren't we?
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>> you don't know what the equivalent it is in these other countries. again, i come back to the fact that the faa is the world leader when it comes to aviation safety. they will make the right decision. you know, there is emotion that's playing into this. let's get the facts and make a good decision before we, you know, before we go too far. these -- the 737 is a very safe airplane and it's proven that over decades and decades of use. >> sandra: well, congressman, i just want to get to the latest news that we originally led into you with which was the dallas morning news revealing this anonymous data base for pilots who were complaining to feds for months we're learning about a suspected safety flaw. >> well, the truth of the matter is, you have to train to the equipment and to the technology that's in the aircraft. you have to train to that and you have to be able to simulate it and go through it. and the pilots, you know, we have some of the best pilots. in fact, i would argue that we have the best pilots in the world. and so if they are upset or
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complaining about, you know, the training syllabus, you know, in the particular aircraft, then we need to pay heed to that that's a fact. >> sandra: congressman graves i want to get this out there because this is a joint statement being issued from the governor of new york andrew cuomo just released along with the port authority executives director rick cot ton. they recognize that federal law places responsibility for air safety decisions on the federal government. but more than a dozen governments around the world have already grounded the 737 max they write. and the faa should urgently consider the basis on which those governments have acted and move decisively to assure that the public safety is protected. that statement just out. your response? >> well, you know, again, it comes back to the fact that the faa is the world leader in aviation safety. the ntsb, they are being brought in to help investigate this accident and they are brought in to overrer country when there is an accident as well. we need to not use emotion to make these decisions let's use the data.
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the data is going to be coming in and then we can make a decision. the faa will make a decision and do it in the interest of the public. >> sandra: that is going to take quite some time to come. >> in we should have most all of data in 48 hours. certainly have more in 24 hours. >> sandra: including the black box and cockpit recorder? >> what they are going to go through is pull all of that information and develop a flight profile and also listen to the flight recorder but we have a whole lot more information in a very short period of time. >> sandra: all right, congressman, thank you for come on tonight. >> thank you; >> sandra: nicholas sandmann just filed a monster lawsuit against cnn. plus, did joe biden just drop the biggest hint yet that he will run in 2020? at&t provides edge-to-edge intelligence, covering virtually every part of your finance business. and so if someone tries to breach your firewall in london & you start to panic... don't.
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♪ [chanting] [run joe run] >> i appreciate the energy you showed when i got up here. save it a little longer. i may need it in a few weeks. [applause] >> sandra: that was former vice president joe biden speaking to a union crowd earlier today. he has reportedly told colleagues he will make a run at the white house although his spokesman insist as final decision has not yet been made. tonight, there are new questions about whether biden can defeat trumpism and win back states like pennsylvania, wisconsin, and michigan where democrats lost in 2016. joining us now democratic senator chris coons from biden's home state of delaware. good evening to you, sir. and thank you for being here. can you tell us with 100 percent certainty that he is, indeed, making a run?
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>> sandra, i can tell you that the energy that you just showed in that clip where he was speaking to firefighters is the same energy and optimism that i heard when i met with him this past week. he is all but certain to run. and i am hopeful that he will. he has made all the important decisions in terms of his family, his values and priorities and he is just putting the final pieces in place. i would say he is 95% there. he and jill need some time to reflect on it, pray on it, but i'm hopeful he is going to run and i think in a few weeks we will see an announcement. >> sandra: once that question sought of the way we will know with certainty that he is running can he win? >> i'm hopeful that he can. joe biden is a fighter. he knows what it means to get knocked down by life and get back up. >> sandra: you know, without even entering the race yet, is he already leading the pack of democrats who have announced that they are running for president. but the "new york times" seems to point out that the big question is whether or not joe biden can beat
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trumpism. they write this the possibility of defeating trump without defeating trumpism looms over joe biden's possible run for the 2020 democratic nomination. the former vice president's not yet candidacy centers on his appeal to the blue collar workers who rejected hillary clinton in favor of donald trump. he believes he could have won them in 2016 and he thinks he can win them now. so, how does he do that, senator? >> well, i think joe looks forward. he think he is someone who when i have heard him, when i have been with him believes in the american people. he frankly rejects the idea that we need to make america great again. i think he recognizes the greatness in the millions of americans who get up, to go to work, who provide for their families, who keep our community safe. and i think he is someone who is going to get us working together again. he has got a long record. that's right. but i'm more optimistic about what he can still do in the future by listening to us. respecting us and bringing us together in the future.
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>> sandra: interesting to hear you use the current president's last campaign slogan there for the pitch for biden. here is the former vice president joe biden in his own words talking about the state of politics today. listen. >> today we seemed to be at each other's throats, mean pettiness has overtaken our politics. sometimes it seems like we can't governor ourselves or even talk to each other. you notice, i get criticized for saying anything nice about a republican. >> sandra: he referenced where he offered a compliment to mike pence and cynthia nixon went after him for saying such. and he apologized for it. the "wall street journal," i will just sum it up here. basically points out if he is going to run and apologize every time that he -- someone finds him
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insufficiently woke they write, the whole rationale for a biden run evaporates. what do you think about that? and we all did remember that moment in recent history with joe biden in responding to that criticism so quickly. >> well joe and i have something in common. having represented delaware he for 36 years me for just over 8 years. we are from a state where we respect each other and get along. where democrats and republicans think our job is to produce real results for the people who we serve. and so i do think joe is someone who doesn't walk in a room and assume that republicans are evil or crazy. and instead thinks how can i find a way to work across the aisle to deliver a solution that's actually going to matter for the american people. one of the other times he was recently criticized for saying something nice about a republican, he was in nebraska with former senator chuck hagel. someone with whom he served and who was, i think a real leader in national security policy. i don't think we should apologize for working across the aisle. but i do think we need to be
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clear-eyed about where we have differences in values. what i believe in and trust about joe is his heart. his commitment to the american people, and his belief that together we really can all do better. >> sandra: you filled biden's vacated senate seat when he left to go join barack obama's team. does this say anything in the way we hear you talking about him indicate anything but potentially running along with him? >> well, i would be stunned in there were a delaware, delaware ticket. >> sandra: i hear you, senator. and i don't know that that means yes or no. you might be running along with him we will see, i guess what about a debate on fox news and where do you fall on that and where do you think the vice president would fall? i hear you talking about the importance of him reaching across the aisle and spreading his message not just to those in his party but to the entire country? what about that? >> as you know i'm someone who comes to fox news regularly. i appreciate the opportunity. i think it's important for us to speak to everyone we
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represent and a whole lot of fox news watchers in my state of delaware. i don't speak for former vice president biden so i don't know what his views oon who ought to be hosting presidential debates. >> sandra: where do you fall in that category. >> it's why i'm on with you right now. i think it's important that we engage in the american people across every platform we can. >> sandra: got it senator chris coons we appreciate your time. >> thank you, sandra. >> sandra: breaking news right now in the covington catholic story. a monster lawsuit just filed against cnn. even bigger than the lawsuit filed against "the washington post." the attorney who filed it joins me exclusively next. (vo) this is the avery's. this is the avery's trying the hottest new bistro. wait...and the hottest taqueria? and the hottest...what are those? oh, pierogis? and this is the avery's wondering if eating out
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♪ >> sandra: fox news alert. they warned it was coming and now it is official. attorneys for covington catholic student nicholas
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sandmann filed a bombshell lawsuit against cnn for a whopping $275 million. they allege vicious and direct attacks on their client. seeing this viral encounter with nathan american nathan phillips. comes a month after the same attorney sued "the washington post" for $250 million. here now exclusively is todd co-counsel for nicholas sandmann. todd, thank you for coming on the program tonight. first off. >> thank you. >> sandra: this is breaking news. we are just now bringing this to our audience, what can you tell us? >> we just filed the lawsuit today in the federal district court in kentucky, the eastern district. and as you said earlier, it is a significant lawsuit seeking $75 million in compensatory damages and $200 million in punitive damages from cnn. >> sandra: what specifically does this lawsuit highlight about what we are seeing in that video and what happened in the minutes and hours that followed? >> well, what cnn's tag line
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is facts first. and what we believe their reporting was in this circumstance was lies first, coverup second and facts not yet determined by that organization. so the difference between this lawsuit and the other lawsuit that we have filed is that cnn is a very significant media organization with a much broader reach than say "the washington post." it has a twitter followers of 41 million people. it published four videos, non-online articles that were tweeted out so that's millions and millions and millions of repetitions of the lies and falsehoods that cnn spread. >> what was the impact on nicholas sandmann this high school student? >> well, we have talked the impact on nicholas sandmann a number of times it is significant. nicholas sandmann was a 16-year-old young man who had a perfect reputation. he was loved by his parents, respected at his school, and had many good friends at covington catholic high
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school. so he was a person that was doing very well in life and due to his strong character he still is. but, nevertheless, his character has now been determined by the lies issued by cnn. so the facts were not first. the lies were. >> sandra: this of course wasn't just what went out on television that day. it wasn't just what went out in print media. it was also about a social media impact that we all witnessed. and i know that you were talking about this in this lawsuit online twitter 7:00 a.m. the network walls retweeting the short snippet that so many got to know when this story was starting to unfold. >> correct. sending a short snippet at 7:00 a.m. after the event happens is totally irresponsible completely negligent and in our view subject to punitive damages. they did this without any reasonable investigation. they took something straight off twitter that had been in essence manipulated so that
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it told one story and reported it as the truth. >> sandra: is there anything -- any choice that you are giving the network at this point to respond to limit potential damages? >> we have issued an opportunity for cnn to retract. they did not retract within the timeline provided for by kentucky law. so their opportunity to retract has now passed. so we will proceed for our lawsuit for both compensatory and punitive damages. >> sandra: there is no opportunity still for them to respond? >> no. not under the law. if they try to do it now under the law it's too late. they can certainly do that if they choose to on their own accord, but it does not -- it would not effect the lawsuit from a legal standpoint. >> sandra: of course it was "the washington post" and now you are outlining an even bigger sum of money in this particular lawsuit against cnn. are there others that will follow here? >> certainly. we are looking at other
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potential defendants. we plan to file a suit every few weeks or months. we probably have 10, at least 10 top targets in the media and individuals, some of whom were people that were involved in twitter attacks. but certainly there are defendants to come. others that will be given an opportunity to retract those statements and we will give them that opportunity first so they will have an opportunity to retract. >> sandra: so, do those outlets already know about this? i mean, are you naming names? can you tell us tonight? >> as to whom we are looking at, who we think crossed the line. >> sandra: yeah. >> certainly we are looking at very closely at nbc. we are looking very closely at ap. we are looking very closely at hbo for the conduct of bill maher. we are looking at some of the people who like kathy griffin who sent out these horrible tweets that are called doxxing, you know, where you like to say to
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somebody go get their name and address with the idea being that somebody is going to show up and possibly do physical harm to them. >> sandra: how do those lawsuits compare and we will wrap it up here. how do those lawsuits compare to the ones we have seen so far? >> we think that we have identified "the washington post" first because it was first out of the gate. and cnn second because of the scope and the significant things that it said that were false. so we do feel that we have hit the top two first. but the others are very close in line. this is a group that did very much -- the group of defendants and potential defendants did very much the same thing. >> sandra: ed to mthing.todd we appreciate you coming on "the story" tonight. >> thank you, sandra. >> sandra: ronald reagan's official biographer who says the late president was not racist as alexandria ocasio-cortez would like to you believe. >> let us not only recall dr. king, but rededicate
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>> sandra: what was your reaction when you heard the freshman member of congress make those comments. >> i was appalled and angry and reagan would have been angry, too. >> sandra: why? >> because it isn't true. there couldn't be more untrue and it took a lot to get reagan angry but this charge was one that would have made him so. he was raised from being a little boy to treat people equally and not to look at people on the basis of color and for anyone to suggest otherwise is wrong, is dishonest and is just not true. >> sandra: she had quite a crowd there watching her deliver that interview on the stage. and a lot of people heard those words. what do you want to tell about someone you game to know so well. >> in i did. i talked to craig shirley his boggographer written four books about this and the two of us couldn't believe it that this myth is still in existence. i would want people to know that ronald reagan never looked at people on the baferls of their skin color
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he appointed the first african-american security advisor in history. the first hispanic in the country was a reagan appointee and he didn't evaluate people on that way. it isn't fair to say so. it's an old worn out false myth. >> sandra: you said he would have quite a reaction in his days in office when he was called a racist? >> he was. this was something that came up from time to time. articles suggested he was a racist made him mad. in private he would have some sal at this words about those stories. never in public, of course, that would make him angry because it wasn't true and he felt it in his heart. it was something that was just essential to his personality. >> sandra: when you see what's happening in politics today and coming off a weekend where we saw comments like she made, what do you think that -- what do you think that we would hear the former president ronald reagan say about politics as we know them now? >> well, he would be very disappointed and he would tell people to do their homework and check their
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designer, the husband of full house star lori loughlin can also be released on $1 million bond. that's the latest there. that's "the story" for tonighten this tuesday night. i will see you again tomorrow. tucker is up next. ♪ ♪ >> tucker: good evening and welcome to "tucker carlson tonight." ever notice how certain people have started to disappear not i have a grants or runaways the usual missing persons but fairly prominent well-educated people with dissenting political opinions. one day you are watching them or reading them online or next time you check gone. can't find their videos they are not showing up on facebook feed. suddenly you can't buy their books on amazon. you google them to find out what happened and discover they have been band. they are being called dangerous extremists nazis. for the public good they have been shut down disappeared. you are a little surprised


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