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whether he's subject to high are we going to hear anything crimes and misdemeanors under else from the white house? the constitution. >> it depends. if it were to be that some so, you know, barr may give it information comes out of this all up over the course of the report, we are likely going to hear from the white house. weekend and in subsequent days to members of congress, the however, white house officials do not expect that we are going to hear anything from the report ranking shares of the two judiciary committees, but if he until sometime this weekend. doesn't, you can be sure that it's unlikely that we are going to hear anything more from the house democrats in the majority in controlling the house are white house this evening, but going to demand to see all the there is a general sense here of evidence to see whether or not it rises to that level, particularly given the fact that the justice department by its relief, the daily questions of wind is the mueller report going to come out are finally over, regulations has decided it can indict a sitting president. this was >> bret: it 6:00 in the east. doesn't mean anybody else is it's usually the time you would going to move on because as you've been talking about the see "special report." last hour now, there are we are in the special coverage congressional investigations that the special counsel robert that are likely to continue all mueller has turned in its the way through the 2020 investigation report, specifically the rod down the collection. it's interesting to note, rosenstein and they'll make the attorney general who got it to though, the president almost the attorney general william barr. constantly that this was an unfair witch hunt and his made aware of that 4:45 of that campaign and he were unfairly targeted, it appears to have gotten some traction with the
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45 capitol hill notified the heads american people. of the senate and house we talked about a "usa today" judiciary committee's hearing poll that was released in recent they were not shown the report. the white house was not briefed days that 50% of americans on the report, just so that they believe that the president is have it. subject of a witch hunt. even as he was on his way out the door to mar-a-lago this now the decision of the attorney general to release how much not only to capitol hill morning, the president was continuing to beat that drum. but the american public. we heard the president's listen here. lawyers, they are happy, >> we are going to see what happens. it's going to be very official end of the russia interesting. but we are going to see what investigation for special counsel mueller. happens. there was no collusion! there is no obstruction! there are other investigations everybody knows it. still ongoing, and democrats it's all a big hoax. have launched a host of i call it a witch hunt. investigations that likely the president is going to say should stop. the attorney general highly we don't have the meat of what's respected will ultimately make a in this report as of this hour. decision. >> it is in the hands of william barr to decide what to do next. john roberts joins us now from next, statements from rudy the north lawn. we've been digesting as much as giuliani and jay sekulow, the we can. john, what's the feeling at the president's outside counsel who white house? have been on point on this. >> i think the feeling right now is that this is finally over. jay sekulow at least for a couple of years now and rudy day after day after day there's been speculation about when this giuliani since john dodd left a year ago. report will drop, what might be saying, we are pleased the
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in this report. office of special counsel has delivered its report to the i was speaking with rudy attorney general pursuant to the giuliani on the phone that they regulations. learned yesterday that they are attorney general barr will determine the appropriate next steps. i spoke with rudy giuliani on the phone after announced by not recognizing any further senior doj official that robert indictments which they see is mueller was not recommending good news. anymore indictments. you share this at the top of the he said, this marks the end of hour, but since we crossed the the investigation, talking about top of the hour, we have new the russia investigation they are. we await disclosure of the viewers joining us. talk to rudy giuliani about all facts. we are confident there are no of this, told this marks the end findings of collusion by the of the russia investigation. we await a disclosure of the president and this underscores what the president has been facts, because we don't have saying from the beginning that he did nothing wrong. anything in terms of facts just yet. giuliani also told me that it's unlikely we'll hear should we start to hear from anything more from giuliani unless some of the facts start barr as he has suggested that he to get out, in which case if may be able to tell congress they do come up before sunday some of what robert mueller morning, he will likely, i'm told, appear on the at least one reported, giuliani will go on if not more sunday morning some of the department shows. going on to tell me that we are shows. the white house weighing in on confident that there is no this, sarah sanders the press secretary saying, the next finding of collusion by the president and this underscores what the president has been saying from the beginning, that he did nothing wrong.
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the president made that point again this morning as he was leaving the white house to get on the helicopter bound for mar-a-lago today that there is no collusion. now the president has been calling this a witch hunt because he feels he has been unfairly affronted by this whole thing and when you look at the genesis of the fisa warrants that led to this investigation, the president believes this is predicated on false information put together for political purposes in the for investigative purposes but we also got a statement from sarah sanders that says "the next apps are up to attorney general barr and we look forward to the process taking its course. the white house has not received or been briefed on the special counsel's report." it's possible, bret, sometime the next few days the white house may ask to see the report if it contains material that might be subject to executive privilege. we don't know anything about the contents of the report yet, so we do not know whether or not it'll be coming here first
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before it comes to congress or the public release. bret? >> bret: john, we'll head back to breaking details but just got a statement from senator chuck grassley, former head of the senate judiciary committee. released today. robert mueller between the justice department has been at it since before the 2016 election. we know the russians tried to meddle in our democratic processes to sew divisions, as they haven't so many other countries. but throughout this prolonged investigation which cost tens and millions in taxpayer dollars and included aggressive surveillance tools, we still haven't seen any evidence of collusion. republicans and democrats have loudly praised euler's thoroughness. now he's wrapped up his investigation, attorney general barr must provide congress and the american people with the findings to finally put an end to the speculation and innuendo that has loomed over this
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administration since its earliest days. senator chuck grassley from iowa. let's bring in our panel now. matthew continetti, editor in chief of "the washington free beacon," mollie hemingway, and white house correspond of for reuters. >> interesting conclusion to te lengthy investigation. you said it was one year, ten months, but it went on close to a year before that. the entire russian narrative was something that was prominent throughout the 2016 campaign. it's worth remembering how that started, that was a political operation, secretly bought and paid for by hillary clinton and the democratic national committee, which spread the story that donald trump was a russian agent. that led to fisa warrants, lead to targeting on the campaign with human informants, it led to, eventually, a special counsel. we have for the last three years frequently says we heard chris wallace say in the last hour that the fact that
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there were no more indictments coming doesn't necessarily mean much since the president can't be indicted, but it's also true that if that were true, that donald trump had colluded with russia to steal the 2016 election, you would not see one indictment, you'd see dozens, if not hundreds of the people who were involved who were operating with a foreign power to commit treason. the fact that there are no more indictments coming and the fact that all of the indictments we've seen thus far have been for process crimes are things unrelated to what we've been told by so many people in the media with treason, collusion to steal a 2016 election, i think it's very significant. we do have to wait and see what the report says and people on all sides want to know a lot. but if there is nothing there, that matches what we've heard from the media for many years, there needs to be a reckoning, and the people who spread this theory both inside and outside the government who were not critical and did not behave appropriately, need to be held accountable. >> bret: kamala harris, democrat, senator from
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california, says americans deserve to know the truth. attorney general barr must testify under oath about yesterday's finding spirit we need total transparency, that's a familiar theme. >> i think you'll hear more from it from democrats running for president and democrats who are in congress and others who have been pushing for full disclosure on what has happened. i think it's important as some have said, we are just speculating because we haven't seen the contents of that report. it is a key fact to know that the special counsel has decided he's not going to do more indictments, i will add when i first heard you say that earlier in the broadcast, the first name that came to my mind someone who's relieved as jared kushner. there's probably some relief going on in the white house, even though they haven't seen that report yet based on that knowledge. but all of that said, we don't
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know what's in there. we don't know what collusion is drawn, and it's too early to say what it means for others involved until we see the actual report. >> bret: right. matthew, your thoughts? >> this might be the greatest anticlimax in american history. once it emerges, it's going to be anti-climatic in two ways. one, as mueller suggestions, it may very well be the case that all of this is for nothing. this is an investigation without a crime. and secondly, the battle will continue. it's incumbent on the white house to think that this is over, they need to understand that it's not over. the arguments over transparency are about to begin, that the investigations that were kind of spohn donger from the mueller investigation would continue,
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and moreover, the house of representatives and the fishing investigations that scope been going on for several weeks. >> bret: i want to go back to you. you are right, we cannot get to the report and in the coming days, we'll figure out what the attorney general is going to put out publicly on capitol hill. but we can definitively say that special counsel mueller made it to the end of the russia investigation for all of the speculation and all of the worry that president trump was going to fire mueller and even an effort on capitol hill to have a bill to protect mueller, that never came to pass. >> that's absolutely right and that's a victory for some people concerned that that wasn't going to happen. there was some concern the president might intervene, something he was asked repeatedly, something he mused about occasionally, even in an interview with reuters, he talked about that. but it didn't happen, you are right. it finished. now we just need to see what's
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in the report. but the fact that there is a conclusion is a start. >> bret: mollie? >> i think about all the things that haven't happened over the course of the last several years, all of the things we were promised that were going to be very major. people being indicted, there would be evidence of this treason is collusion with russia. so many of the things we were told, for instance that bob mueller would be fired, certain people would be indicted, haven't come to be true. what i don't think you will have done is not about whether some of those criticisms of this investigation more to those concerns read you had voices in the white house complaining what was going on, if you lonely voices saying that this does not seem like a very appropriate thing. it was a very disruptive process to have a special counsel side lane incoming a administration to have these investigations undermining and administration. attorney general rendered completely impotent by the claim he was a russian agent, you might remember that one of the
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many people who were fired from the fbi or let go or otherwise gone who were involved in this russia story, andrew mccabe has set up an investigation of the attorney general, as if he were a russian agent. that's a ludicrous thing, and i do not think we had enough people in the media speaking truth to power in that sense. being a questioning agent of the fbi and how they were operating both before the special counsel and with the setting up of the special counsel. >> bret: let me ask another way. let's say that this special counsel report, essence clear president trump. what about the folks who went the other way and said mueller was a dirty cop or deep state? will there be a turnaround in his reputation? >> there was it really set up to investigate whether donald trump was a foreign agent or was it set up to protect the fbi for what it done in the campaign ane
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months leading to the appointment of that special counsel? there is a lot of questionable behavior, whether it was running human informants, what you might call spies against the campaign, wiretapping people close to trump with a pfizer warrant that was i think is under investigation right now. whether there were other wiretaps involved as well. if he comes out with the report and it shows that we have a sense of that there was not treasonous collusion to steal the election, but also sort of says that the agency was justified in taking some of these reckless actions, i think he will have done what may be people had hoped he would do, which is protect an agency that had behaved a bit recklessly prior to being launched, whether the whole thing is good though orders should be more questions. again, whether people should be held accountable, we do not want to see people taking political disputes and weaponizing them with law enforcement agencies or intelligence agencies. just because you disagree with some and politically, whether democrat or republican, doesn't mean you should use a full powers of the state to target them and destroy the lives of people who help them.
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there are a lot of people who are going to prison or have had been found guilty of things that are a result of this special counsel investigation that have nothing to do with what was sold as, process crimes, lying to the fbi. that whole thing happened right after you had a very different situation with a hillary clinton campaign which was -- you saw a lot of people let go with what they were doing for nobody brought up in process crimes, even though they had people on false statements even including hillary clinton. you want to see and even this on how they handle campaigns, don't want to see them being friendly with one side and the not with another. if bob mueller has somehow help clean up the reputation by handling this part of the process well placement that would be good. >> bret, i'd like to take a stab. i think the question is good when you think about there was a very concerted effort by some, including at the white house, including the president of the united states, to undermine robert mueller's credibility.
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if he does come out with a report that says there was no collusion, there will have to be a backtracking by people who did that, including at the highest levels of the white house, and that includes president trump. >> a good example might be with the amtrak situation where the fbi came out with an anthrax report that didn't charge the wrong person with a crime, but that went through years of problems with wrong people being accused of the crime. it's a long story. >> bret: yes. and the club located one. the senate intelligence committee did its own report. you remember richard burr saying that they had not found any evidence of collusion in their efforts in looking into this. he has released a statement, very brief, saying i trust special counsel mueller has conducted a fair and thorough investigation and i look forward to reviewing his report. that's about all that he said to the letter. catherine herridge joins again with some new details.
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catherine? >> some of the information i was able to gather, bret, over the last two years came from contacts that were subject of the special counsel investigation but i was not able to report it on the promise that i will wait until the report was concluded, and what they described as the special counsel's approach was it was very forensic and the investigators took the big events, so the june 2016 trump tower meeting as well as the republican convention and the platform in the way it was described to me, they said that the approach was like a crime scene. everybody was a suspect in this. and every record was attained, reviewed, and the witnesses were then challenged with the recollections of those records. i think that gives you a flavor of how the special counsel approach the investigation. i want just a focus for a moment with indictments that may have
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grown out of the special counsel investigation, but what i would describe as a parallel track of investigations that have been running with the inspector general at the justice department. my contacts report that those investigations are well progressed and they focus on these allegations of fisa abuse, that abuse of the surveillance warrants process, one surveillance warrant was granted in the 2016 election, whether lines were crossed in the application, pardon me, and hopefully that's not going to be someone super important. i will turn that off right there. the next thing, the leaking of classified information. that has also been an ongoing investigation by the inspector general and it relates specifically to the sharing of the comey memos, the memos he provided to a reporter to kick start this special counsel investigation, at least one of the memos was found to have classified them information as well as a series of leaks that had been well documented by the
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attorney general by the fbi to reporters, including the taking of gifts by senior fbi officials by members of the media and others. we have the mueller track which comes to a close with this recommendation of no further indictments in this lane of russia. there may be indictments in other jurisdictions that have grown out of mueller. i would get people to start to focus on the second track, the inspector general, fisa, the leaking of classified information, bret. >> bret: that's quite a ringtone. do sources know they have the mallard? they are a duck when they call you. >> always hoping for something important there. >> bret: if they quacked, let us know. donald trump has been president for almost a hundred days. he's been president for 800 days paid 675 of those included special counsel mueller's investigation as mollie pointed out. there were stories and
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allegations prior to that about this russia investigation. no matter how you look at it, this is a consequential moment for this presidency, for this nation. and the matter what happens from this report, and it's important to point out that we don't know the details inside but we do know from senior department officials that the special counsel is not recommending any indictments tied to this report. joining us again, dana perino, one williams, chris wallace. chris? >> we don't want to rush to judgment and i think because this report has come out, since no one has seen it, that somehow this clears the president, seems like the height of rushing to judgment. you know, people talk about the appointment of the special counsel. the fact is the reason the special counsel was appointed, the fact that the president
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fired james comey, >> bret: 8 was allowed to finish his investigation, there would be no special counsel. i'm surprised about the talk of process crimes. process crimes are not parking tickets. process crimes are lying to federal prosecutors, this is the very basis of which justice is administered to the degree that you commit perjury, that's a very serious crime, but they will hide important facts, investigators want to know. we should also point out that the special prosecutor, the special counselor resulted in the indictment and guilty pleas and serious and convictions of michael flynn, the former national security advisor to the president, paul manafort, the former campaign chairman for the president for several months, and michael cohen, the
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president's personal lawyer and fixer. when you look at this in kind of a big picture way, there's no question the president has been under a cloud for his entire presidency on the question of this investigations suspicions and a formal investigation as to whether or not he colluded with the russians and whether he obstructed justice. the fact that that investigation is over is a big milestone even if we do not know what the final conclusion of the special counsel was. we will have to wait and see, and i do think that if, and repeat it, it should be that the president is cleared of the basic fundamental charges of the special counsel, whether it was one collusion or two obstruction of justice, that is a major victory for the president. yes, congress and the six committees will continue to investigate. but if he's basically cleared of those charges, then it seems to me that it's going to be relatively little patience on the part of the public for a
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continuing investigation and they'll be seen simply by an effort by democrats to try and find ways to cut up the president after the election. but on the basic charge, the cloud he's been under, if the evidence shows that, it'll be a tremendous victory for the president and he'll be largely in the clear in terms of these investigations. >> bret: to you, dana, we are making clear this is a consequential moment. the big moment no matter what's in the report and the caveats all over the place, the politics are front and center. >> one thing that could be very interesting is because this has been so secretive in many ways, you think about robert mueller, there have been no leaks, no grandstanding, he's run a very tight ship and that's a good example on how to keep the integrity of an investigation, and i think he ends this with his reputation that was already stellar, he leaves with that
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completely intact, and now he can go back to doing whatever he was trying to do before he was called back into service to do this report. in addition though, bret, think about all of the people that have had to hire lawyers, had to be interviewed by the special counsel. it is very stressful. it's something you have to keep very quiet, between you and your attorney and your family, that's it. we might start to hear a little more about that. i do not know what we'll learn with the extent of it, but of course we know that there are some people in the white house that had to submit to those interviews so we might hear a little bit about how they were treated and -- however, that said, when you ask about the politics, i think there will be as chris said very little patience and congress decide that they want to go ahead and just go back over this entire report. you just said it was a two-year report?ion, $25 million total? the american people, yes, they want to know what was in it,
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they want to see the democrats rehash this for her to go more years? the democrats, do they want to show that they can govern, do they want to go back on issues that matter? 2020 is really not that far awa away. >> bret: one thing to point out before i get to you, one, not one person is getting indicted in conspiring with russia, and that's a fact from officials from the justice department, report or no report as we learned whatever's in it. some experts who know this very well say this. there could be a secret grand jury, information known as six ce, that's not supposed to be released publicly since witnesses do not have lawyers presence in those grand jury proceedings, and it's not technically a court proceeding for there could be secret intelligent information in the report, which could damage national security in some way, shape, or form for there could
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be unproven or provocative statements or claims in the report, but tested by a court process that are over the top. the attorney general is not just a clerk in this process, he has significant constitutional and statutory role, special counsel mueller reports to him. and attorney general barr exercising his judgment in this case. just adding that to this conversation. >> that's an important point. you got to get in you keep in mind after a two-year long process what we've learned from robert mueller on the record, if you will, what's in the public at this moment is that he has charged 34 people with crimes, bret, six people who were intimate with president trump. mike flynn, for example, paul manafort. apparently manafort was providing polling information. all of this is known because of the indictments that were filed
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by robert mueller. in addition, you have 24 people of the 34 in total that have been charged with crimes who are russians, who in fact are russians that he has charged with interfering in the 2016 election. we will never see those people because they cannot be extradited from russia to come and face a trial here in the united states. so that, in a sense, gives you the universe that is on the record of what we know from mueller's work. when it comes to the politics of it, you can imagine that the democrats are already chomping at the bit to say why didn't mueller go further, specifically in regards to mueller trump's relationships to some of the oligarchs, deutsche bank specifically has come to great attention in recent days, loans made to, alleged lies told in terms of trump's wealth. much of this laid out by another
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trump intimate michael cohen when he was brought before congress and testified and said that there were people in the trump organization who knew about these things. that is the kind of line of breadcrumbs that leads to so much of the activity that's going to take place in the southern district prosecutors office here in new york, but also give ammunition to democrats who already, it seems to me, readying for the 2020 campaign saying, we want to know more and we are willing to put more out there on the record to keep this flame going as we begin the political process for the 2020 election. >> bret: chris, to mark this moment, march 22nd 2019 turns out the date that'll go under the history books. just noting that the report is in. two to juan's point, not understanding all that's under
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this report, but if the president is largely cleared in the report and using it to say, see, i told you so, is there a decision for democrats to make on the investigations that they have launched already as we head into this next election that, as governor rendell told us on election night in midterms, you have to decide whether to legislate, legislate, legislate, or investigate, investigate, investigate? >> it gets very hard. take for instance the week that michael cohen testified, we forget if it's the gun reform bill, or the election reform bill, but the fact that the cohen hearings sucked up the ox again. i think the democrats will have to be very careful about this. we are all tired of this investigation and it's been a strain on the president especially on people who have
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had to hire lawyers, i know what i lawyers hourly fee in d.c. is, substantial. but the country at large is suffering mueller fatigue. the bottom line, and if the bottom line has been cleared of the major charges, obstruction of justice, collusion, a lot more hope high-profile hearings, they will pursue for a while, energizes their bays, there will be a large percentage of the country that regardless of what is shown here is going to oppose the president and want to see him brought down, whether in the election or impeachment. but i do think there is a danger for democrats if they continue to pursue this too along the it sucks up the oxygen, and if they are legislating, people won't be paying attention to that. they will think that these, the
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house democrats, that's the chamber because they control that the chamber, that they are just duty-bound and doing everything they can to carve out the duly elected president of the united states, i think that will be very tricky for them as to how far they go on that. >> bret: dana, it's worth pointing out that you had john brennan, the former cia director on another channel predicting just recently that when the mueller report comes down that there will be multiple indictments of people very familiar, significant names, quite familiar to the average americans, going to the top, predicting that this would be all wrapped up in a rush of conspiracy collusion and indictments from this report. that, even though we do not know the report, we know that is not true. >> he might have egg on his face, right? of course, partisans might say it's not the first time. however there were these -- there is the possibility of sealed indictments. that might mean there are no
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more indictments coming, but they were sealed indictments, perhaps those aren't going to go anywhere. spewing tangential to russia? >> if they are sealed, do we know that, bret? >> bret: they could be. there are no indictments tied to this reports on special counsel mueller's russia investigation. >> may be those sealed indictments, maybe we'll never know. the other thing, this report could take time to parse out, i do think the attorney general will make a good on his claim that this weekend he'll be able to release something to the people and there is pent-up demand for it. i think he'll be able to do that. but as you know, bret baier down that, it's not going to satisfy, looking at the 2020 democratic candidates, all demanding that s report be released, they wanted in full to it one of the things i have to ask them though, let's say the president is totally
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exonerated. let's say that mueller found that yes, russia was trying to interfere in our election, but the trump campaign wasn't doing anything. wouldn't that actually be good news for the country are quick to make setting aside the politics, they aren't necessarily going to win on this politically diploma but wouldn't that be a great thing, if we find out there was no problem? good, how do we get to the business of preventing russia from interfering in the future? >> bret: juan, final word here. noticing the time here, friday afternoon. usually friday late afternoon is when bad news is dubbed by administration left and right heading into the weekend for this friday is even more so under the radar. you have the ncaa tournament playing on other channels as teams are fighting it out in their brackets. what about the timing of this as we head into the weekend?
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is there any thought behind that? >> well, i do not think robert mueller is paying too much attention to that. i think the pressure here, the political pressure is so intense, that for the people who were at the epicenter of this, i think the effort was to get it done as quickly as possible, that they did not want this to drag on. you go back to the clinton-lewinsky affair, go back to whitewater, go back to watergate. these things all took much longer than the almost two year period we are attached to the mueller report. i think for mueller, the emphasis was to do it quickly and maintain credibility. i can't emphasize -- i think everybody that you to talk to here this evening has said that robert mueller to this point has come out of this with his integrity intact, that people expect that he would have done a thorough job and the polls show this. the american people think he has
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been fair. the fact that he has been silent, there have not been leaks out of his office, has helped to a sort that he has been conducting a fair investigation, not using the media to his advantage, he wanted to get done quickly so people what entire of it. i agree you with the special "the special report," you have to deal with late friday night dumps. this is about simply getting us to the point where you can take some of the pressure off the president, good or bad to come or leave that up to the partisans to the side, and secondly to say this is what we've been able to find in the limited investigation.e north l. riefed on the
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special counsel's report. i said earlier that there is a chance at the white house may request to see this report before it goes to congress, and that would be in the event that there is material contained in the report that is subject to executive privilege, i imagine, and i'm told that pat cipollone, the white house counsel, would
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like to review that material to see if they waive executive privilege or aspirate actions >> bret: standby. we are going to go to the senate minority leader chuck schumer who's talking in new york. let's listen in. >> the underlying documentation and finding to congress. >> reporter: [indistinct question] >> is this better? now that special counsel mueller has submitted his report to the attorney general, it's imperative for mr. barr to make the full report public and provide its underlying documentation and findings to congress. attorney general barr must not give president trump, his lawyers, or his staff and a sneak of special counsel mueller's findings or evidence, and the white house must not be allowed to interfere in decisions and what should be made public.
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the special counsel's investigation, focused on questions that go to the integrity of our democracy itself, whether that foreign powers interfere with our elections, or whether unlawful means were used to hinder investigation. the american people have a right to the truth. the watchword is "transparency." in conclusion, the president himself has called without qualification for the report to be made public. there is no reason on god's green earth why attorney general barr should do any less. we are only going to take one question or two. >> reporter: any indications of no new indictments, do you think that that's the case? >> i think we should wait for the full report to be issued before jumping to any
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conclusions. i should say that again. i think we should wait for the full report to be made public before jumping to any conclusions. >> reporter: senator schumer, how confident are you that we'll get the full depth of that report? >> i think the demand of the public is overwhelming to see the report when it's on such a serious matter and it will be made public. public pressure will force it to be. >> reporter: any timetable you can for see? >> no. thank you, everybody. last question. >> reporter: [indistinct question] >> look, i'm not going to draw any conclusions until not only the whole report, but the underlying findings and documentation. thank you, everybody. >> bret: senator chuck schumer, senate minority leader again calling for transparency, echoing members on his side of the aisle who are saying the same thing. his colleague, the senate
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majority leader mitch mcconnell, also called for transparency, saying that attorney general william barr will make that decision. worth noting that this investigation comes to an end, the russia investigation, the special counsel's investigation, without the president of the united states sitting for a formal interview with special counsel robert mueller. there wasn't a lot of back-and-forth whether he was going to, there were weeks of coverage about that decision, whether it's going to happen or not. he didn't. he submitted written answers. and robert mueller, the special counsel, never broached this issue of subpoenaing the president, that would've been a battle if they came to be. it has wrapped up. the mueller probe on the russia part is over. there was no threat, it turns out, that the president was going to fire him. he made it to the end. joining us now, alan dershowitz, noted attorney, author as well.
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alan, your thoughts as we get to the end of this investigation? >> i don't think anybody should come to final conclusions even after they read the whole report. we have to wait and see what the response is not only from the white house but from president trump's legal team. remember, this is an adversarial report, it's one-sided. it's only evidence that's exculpatory. special counsel, prosecutors don't look at all the evidence, they don't invite witnesses favorable to the president. or evidence that's favorable to the presidents. my preference would be not to release the report until the trump team had the opportunity to release a 10-15 page response, but pressure from the media and congress is such, the report will be released first. i urge americans, democrats or republicans, to withhold final judgment until they hear the other side of the story. that's what our adversary system is all about. listen to both sides before you
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come to any conclusions. remember, this is one-sided during the matter how fair the investigation was, and it seems like it might've been a very fair investigation, no leaks, it is a prosecutorial document presenting only one side. we have to wait and see what the trump defense team comes up with in terms of documents, evidence, witnesses. remember too the witnesses against president trump or against the administration have not been subject to cross-examination. that's why we have trials for this is more like an indictment than like a conclusion based on hearing all the evidence. >> bret: just seeing that senior department justice officials, alan dershowitz around for 30 to thank him for his work. we told the white house had landed at 4:45, and in congress soon thereafter. when you hear a senior department official told reporters this report does not recommend any more indictments,
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what do you take from that? >> well, i take from that we may still see indictments coming from the southern district of new york, washington, virginia. we may see in this report a road map for other and further investigations by u.s. attorneys offices and congress. what we see is there are no more for their indictments, unless there are skilled ones, from the special counsel itself. i think that's very significant, but that doesn't mean the president's problems are over. i do think if the report concludes there is no obstruction of justice, it will take the wind out of the attack on the president himself, though many of his colleagues are still now facing indictments, sending saying that, imprisonments. so i think we'll see some more in continuation of investigations, particularly by congress. but even that may come to an end because there will be court cases challenging the authority
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of congress to conduct investigation after investigation as it doesn't relate to any legislative purpose. >> bret: what about this argument about process crimes, understanding they are crimes and that the indictments we've seen and the people who have been brought forward, michael flynn, george papadopoulos, we haven't seen in the end to the michael flynn situation. that they were not hiding crimes. in other words, they lied to investigators about what we understand, there were not crimes behind it. what about that for people to digest? >> what i've seen, again i haven't read the report, the only indictments that have come out our category one crimes that allegedly occurred before this administration, manafort, crimes are related to things unrelated to the administration, cohen, one indictment involving russia, but they'll never get those
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people to trial so that's a show indictment in some ways but finally the process crimes. every investigation produces process crimes. people lie, they obstruct witnesses, they do all of these things. these are crimes that are generated, not caused, generated by the investigation itself. they are serious crimes, but you do not appoint a special counsel in order to prosecute process crimes but you appoint a special counsel to prosecute or investigate substantive crimes relating to collusion. on that, unless we see something dramatic in this report, this special counsel has not come up with very much. >> bret: and explain to people the thought process about obstruction of justice at the executive level and how the attorney general barr has written about this before? >> well, he's right. barr is right, and barr as i've said heavily and written over the years that you can't have obstruction of justice when the president simply exercises
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constitutional authority to fire, which he did of comey, or even to pardon. what you need is nixon type, he paid hush money, told his subordinates to light at the fbi, erase a tape, those are the obstruction of justice that are charged for president nixon could not be properly charged with obstruction for firing attorney general elliot richardson. so i think that barr has absolutely cut the issue in the right place, indicating where obstruction could occur. no president is above the law, but the law is what guarantees that a president can't be convicted for firing or pardoning or conducting any other constitutionally protected act, just like george bush wasn't prosecuted for pardoning caspar weinberger and five other people, which ended the investigation of iran-contra and infuriated the special prosecutor in that case, but no indictments ensued because a president cannot be charged with
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obstruction for simply carrying out his constitutional authorit authority. >> bret: alan dershowitz, we appreciate your time. thank you. peter doocy joins us now with a look at how the 2020 democratic candidates are responding. peter? >> this is the end of a recess week on capitol hill, so none of the lawmakers running for president are actually in the hallways for us to go track down, but we are hearing from their campaigns. first of all, we've got bernie sanders pretty released a statement that says this. as donald trump said, let it come out. i call on the trump administration to make special counsel muller's full report public as soon as possible. no one, including the president, is above the law. former lawmaker here beto o'rourke just said this, released the newly report to the american people. that's all he has said. and kamala harris, who sits on the judiciary committee is suggestion what might be coming next, she said this. a declassified report must be
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made public immediately and attorney general barr must publicly testify under oath about the investigation and its findings and provide all underlying material to the appropriate congressional committees. most of the top-tier democratic candidates do have events this weekend in early states, iowa, new hampshire, south carolina. but -- we should expect to see some additional reactions, but not a ton because of all the events i've been to, special counsel robert mueller's investigation into russia collusion has not been high on the list of concerns for people dealing with issues like health care and jobs. >> bret: washington is a leaky place. usually you get leaks, you know, from capitol hill, from sources all over washington. only place that doesn't really leak is the supreme court.
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robert mueller's investigation has not leaked throughout these 675 days. it has been pretty tight. shannon bream joins us now. shannon, there are calls for complete transparency and attorney general barr will make that decision and give congress to the american people but there are issues here with that decision. >> there are limits. people saying that we want to see everything, we want to see everything that mueller decided his report, the interviews, documents, everything? well, the special counsel statute prohibits that. he just can't release all this material. mueller cans. it has to go through the attorney general. there are no real hard-and-fast rules about how much to whom he has to release this information. certainly to congress, but it had down they can be bare-bones. these democrats might not get what they want. we heard the attorney general may testify, try to force the
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release of these documents, and noted if they decide, documents, they want all these they'll make this information, they could issue subpoenas. if that happens, he could direct the doj not to comply with that. that sends it to the supreme court. it's interesting because this is an contrast back to 1998 as a friend of mine points out, ken starr then released his whole 55 page document and findings to congress. he was under a different statute. he was under the independent counsel statute. democrats then who were very upset with the underlying information that was salacious about the president, then president clinton should not have been released. they wanted nothing to do with that because they raised a big stink about the underlying information being so easily and publicly available. so now we have this different statute, the special counsel statute, it limits what can be released, so people who were upset about the full release
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than are going to have to live with the parameters this time. it's a different statute, there are limits. everything is really up to attorney general barr. bret? >> bret: thank you, shannon. steve scalise out with a statement whose more forward leaning even though we do not know the report, the reports are there will be no new indictments, says scalise, confirms what we've known all along. there was never collusion with russia. the only collusion was between democrats and many in the media who pedaled this lie because they continue to refuse to accept the results of the 2016 election. he goes on to say that he's glad that attorney general barr is now in charge. mike emanuel now is with us -- standby, we are going to go back to our panel. chris wallace, dana perino, and juan williams for final thoughts. juan? >> at this point, i was taken from what we heard from the
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senate minority leader chuck schumer. i think he's speaking for a lot of people who are not trump fans when he said he not only wants the report, he wants the underlying documents. i think what you are going to see here is an emphasis on whether or not the white house does get a look at the report before the general public and is the white house allowed to comment on any of this before the public is allowed to make their own decisions. what we heard in just a moment ago on alan dershowitz, it's an adversarial process and the prosecutor in evidence of guilt, the public pressure, the politics of this at any suggestion that the white house, rudy giuliani, jay sekulow, have their hands on this before the public, is going to be a cause for alarm. >> bret: dana? >> dana don't make eye points to the institutions of our great county
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have held up. robert mueller was able to finish his job. congress going to get a report from the attorney general, the newly confirmed attorney general. we'll see this process play out. and i think that's -- there's something to be said about the system we have in supporting that. a lot of nasty things were said about bob mueller, and terrible things were said about the president. terrible things were said about the democrats. i don't think anybody's going to get an apology for this could be the turning point that america learns about russia's involvement, how to deal with it in the future, and moving on, to the many other important issue areas that the country really needs to start dealing with. >> bret: chris, this tells you how much this plays in the 2020 race. cory booker sent out an email sending dominic raising money on the mueller report. >> we been talking about the 675
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days of the mueller investigation. in fact, really donald trump in the final days of his candidacy for president and his entire presidency, has been under a cloud. the cloud isn't removed, but it's beginning to lift. there's clearly going to be -- she saw that in the statement from senate minority leader chuck schumer that democrats, especially in the house where they have some control are going to demand the full report, they are going to want to go through that, they are going to want to see whether or not there are other things. there are six separate committees investigating other areas involving the trump organization in tax returns and all of that. but you do get the feeling that the cloud is beginning to left a bit. in terms of the cloud they are under, there are a lot of recriminations, the investigation never should have been held. one of the bad decisions that donald trump made was to fire james comey. he probably should've fired him before he became president during the transition for various things that comey had
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done but to fire him in the middle of the investigation led to this special counsel and i think that turns out to be a huge missed calculation on the part of the president. finally, i'm going to take a line which i heard when she said it and i thought it was so smart, of dana perino. if the president is cleared, that's good news. we should hope that's the result of this is. if the president is removed from any suspicion of collusion within the enemy, if he is removed from any suspicion of obstruction of justice in the investigation, that would be the best outcome should be. that's what we should hope for, exactly as dana said. it would be great if we could go back not to investigations of criminality but to debates over policy. i mean, it's kind of taken a backseat over these last months whether it was health care or the environment or the economy or all of that and wouldn't it be great if that took the front seat and that's what we focused
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on between now and the very consequential election in november of 2020. >> bret: just a process thing here. a security official from special counsel mueller's office delivered hard copies of the special counsel's report by hand to the deputy attorney general rod rosenstein's office this afternoon. also officials tell fox that only a few people at doj have copies of the mueller report. obviously attorney general barr, deputy attorney general rosenstein are the very small group who have copies and are reading the report as mentioned in his letter to congress. there could be some information that he comes forward with to the committees, to the judiciary committees, as soon as this weekend. there will be a lot of effort to try and get details inside. dana, as we go forward here, the president is in mar-a-lago. we are not going to hear from him. just called, as you know, a lid
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for the night. >> but does a lid mean anything anymore? >> bret: he could pop up any time. but your talks as we wrap up this day? >> i would go >> thank you for pointing that out. if outcome here is if there is no collusion, and the report says there was none and we get to move on from this, there are big issues to deal with. last week on the show secretary nielsen was here talking about the homeland security issues and the cyber security that we are not prepared. we have infrastructure problems. all of those things, that would be a good outcome. we'll see. there is a lot we don't know. >> bret: the term, dana, juan, chris, thank you. final word from molly hemingway and we wrap up the coverage that will continue through the weekend, through the night and through the weekend. molly? >> it will be good to see more about the report and everything that comes out of it. one thing that is important is not just that we move on, this might be closing out a major part of an investigation that has been going on for several
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years. but we already knew there was no collusion. we had the house report and we had the senate report. what we don't really understand is what went on within the government to allow this type of thing to happen. there are a lot of questions about senior officials and the f.b.i. and the department of justice. there they were thinking of wearing a wire to target the president again because of the crazy theory. or what other things going on. a lot to know about that. this report might resolve the issue whether trump is an agent of putin but it doesn't resolve if we can trust the f.b.i. and the department of justice to not turn political things to law enforcement issues. that is important for the future of the country, the health of the country. we need the media to hold them accountable and not just fall for the type of conspiracy theories in the future. >> bret: mollie, last thing. i bounce about the country and i talk to people left, right, center. they get frustrated that the investigations never come to a
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con lution and it goes to theer this in washington. do we real -- that it goes to the ether in washington. is there an end? >> even if we find out if trump is not an agent of putin we won't be at the end to find out how it was we all fell for this. many people in the country fell for this. that needs further investigation and it should happen soon. >> bret: we're going to stay on it. we will have you covered here on fox news channel. panel, thank you very much. it's been quite two hours as special counsel robert mueller delivered his report to the attorney general who will now will make the decision what goes public, what goes to capitol hill. we have your covered on all sides. it's been a busy hour. thank you for covering and staying with us. for breaking news. "special report" will be back monday at 6:00 p.m. eastern time. we've got you covered. fair, balanced, still unafraid. harris faulkner sitting in for my friend martha maccallum in new york with continuing
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live coverage. >> harris: we begin with the fox news alert with the wait that is finally over. tonight special counsel mueller maul submits his -- robert mueller submits the final report on russian interference, what many called collusion in the 2016 election. after nearly two years the mueller report is now in the hands of tern general william barr. a question at this hour? what will barr do with it? the attorney general has been clear about his intentions to release the report findings. but some lawmakers doubt it. in primetime, i'm harris faulkner in tonight for martha maccallum. who is on assignment. "the story" tonight is to conclusion of 675 days of


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