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♪ ♪ jedediah: we want to thank you all for joining us today and and you both for being here on the couch, it's been amazing. continuing coverage of tropical storm barry on the networked. ♪ ♪ charles: bracing for barry, fox on top of the gulf coast, on alert as life-threatening flooding is on the way. good morning, everyone, i'm charles payne in for neil cavuto. you're watching "cavuto live," and we are live with rob schmidtt in morgan city, louisiana. louisiana senator bill cassidy on how his state is preparing, and rick reichmuth on the latest. and katrina commander general russell ray on the rescue missions that are already happening. lauren simonetti on the costs that are mounting.
we begin with rob in morgan city. rob. >> reporter: hey, charles, if you can hear me there, i don't have isp, i hope you can hear me, but we're in morgan city, louisiana. i've lost my earpiece out here in this nasty storm we've got here. still barry is a tropical storm at this point here in southern louisiana. it could become a hurricane here at any minute. we're about 75 miles east of new orleans which is where a lot of the attention for this storm has been because it is a low-lying area, very populated area. but here just to west is where we're really getting hammered. we're not too far away from the storm which is making its way onshore. we're here on a lake which looks like the gulf, it's just getting pounded so hard. the waves are high, and this is usually just a flat lake that you can ride your boat around on. not today though. here in morgan city we've seen gusts at about 55 miles an hour, sustained winds a little lower than that and a lot of pounding rain as these outer bands and
now a little bit closer to center bands continue to move through. look behind me though, i did want to point out just as something to see, these ducks behind me just taking it, looking right into the wind. if you look over here, a lot of people put their houseboats over here, we saw a guy checking on his earlier. he said he wasn't too worried about it, they know how to handle these storms. the main concern with barry is going to be water. the wind is not a big concern here, it's a category one, and water is because it's such a slow-moving storm. you could walk about as fast as this storm has been moving. and if it dumps a couple inches of rain an hour for a couple of days, this could bring a couple feet of rain to areas that sit pretty much at sea level, a lot of areas sit below sea level. they're very worried about the levees, the army corps of engineers, the federal government has dumped billions of dollars trying to shore up these levees and make these areas safer so that we don't see what happened in 2005 with katrina happening again.
charles, back to you. charles: thank you very much. storm surge, river, rain, that's the triple threat that louisiana is bracing for because of massive flooding. to fox news meteorologist rick reichmuth. rick: hey, charles. yeah, flooding is the biggest story. the storm itself has looked over the last number of hours really organized. that is not good news for strengthening. it's up to a 70 mile-an-hour sustained storm. when it's organized, it can strengthen more quickly. it now is organized, just running out of real estate. somewhere offshore here, this is mostly just a fishing island, completely uninhabited. you have to get into interior sections of southern louisiana where you get some population. down to south here, this is where the worst of the storms are. however, go around 200 miles away, we've been seeing this persistent band of really strong storms towards the mobile, alabama, area. and we're likely going to see flooding out of that spot. this is abu by just -- abu by
just offshore. we've been seeing winds gusting well in excess of hurricane force for about the last three hours. that energy is going to move onshore, so we are certainly going to see some really strong winds from this, and we've been seeing 50-60 mile-an-hour gusts in this band around 200 miles away. this is the center of the storm right now very close towards the land, it's going to slowly move off towards the north and i think very slowly, in about two days, it's going to move towards southern arkansas. all of that moisture is going to fall across that exact same area, and because of that the department within the national weather service that handles flooding threat has issued a high warning for severe flooding across the southeastern part of louisiana. anywhere especially towards the river basin needs to be watching this. just want to point this out, these are two models we look at, both of them much more in agreement that to west of new orleans, baton rouge probably in the bull's eye of the heaviest of rain, going down towards morgan city. some spots in that 10-20 inch range. this is the official forecast
from noaa, some spots in that 15 plus range because of that flood concerns all the way here across the southern mississippi river valley. a rough few days, we probably won't see the pictures out of this for a couple of days to come, but get ready because there is a lot of flooding heading towards this area. charles? charles: thank you very much. republican louisiana senator bill cassidy staying on top of the emergency response, and he joins us on the phone now. sir, thanks for taking the time out. describe to us the preparations currently underway. >> hey, charles. it is a very -- i compliment my state and the federal partners and community leaders. it is a federal, state and local are response. i was communicating with the folks down in morgan city. the mayor sent me back pictures of these big, big box-type structures. e said, what are these? these are additional pumping stations. and then this morning he sent another picture of another pumping station being sent down. now, all of that is with federal resources employed by the state,
deployed to federal -- to local officials. it's a good, it's a good response. charles: right now everyone acknowledges that it won't be the winds, but the rains in the days to come afterwards. and, of course, that creates a tremendous amount of anxiety over whether or not these levees will be up to task. we know that up to $15 billion invested by the u.s. army corps of engineers alone. the state has done, obviously, things as well. how confident are you in these levees? >> you know, speaking to the army corps, they are confident, and that's where i have to place my confidence. they say that there's no scouring taking place where the currents undermine the levee, that the amount of -- that the top, there's still going to be 2-3 feet between the top of the levee and the top of the flood waters. they're restrict thing marine traffic. you may recall during katrina there was a barge that plunged through a levee that exacerbated
the flooding. in this case they are restricting the marine traffic so that that cannot occur. so those provisions have taken place, i am reserving my concerns for other areas. charles: well, two things on that. a, other lessons that were learned from katrina that are being implemented and, of course, the specific concerns that you have. >> so i will say there's been this kind of process where the federal government has learned from their experience in louisiana, and louisiana has learned from the that federal experience. and i was speaking to a local official, a mayor. his whole crew had gone to a seminar placed by fema on emergency operations centers. they have now stood up their emergency operations centers. obviously, the place that coordinates the response across the community. and so in this way, our local officials are learning from fema, who learns from our local officials. it's been, again, a good process. not to say that it's not
dangerous, it's not to be concerned, but there's a state of preparation that exceeds anything which has previously occurred. charles: and your personal concerns? >> my personal concerns are the rain event such as you were describing. we have something called the great flood of 2016 where there was an incredible amount of water dumped in south louisiana. i don't think the rain will be as much now as was then, but still when you've got 15 inches of rain coming down within a 12-hour period, no matter what you've done, you can overcome it s. and that's my concern right now. charles: earlier we started the show with a reporter down in morgan who said that the people of louisiana are tough, and everyone acknowledges that. but are they sometimes too tough for their own good? we hear that there's a lot of folks who have not heeded the evacuation warnings or demands, actually. >> yes and yes. yes, they're tough.
and, yes, they are sometimes too tough. and if so if you're on a barrier island and you've not evacuated, you're not only placing yourself at risk, but you're placing the rescue crew that will come to rescue you at risk. and so if you're in those front-line, low-lying areas and you've been ordered to evacuate, i tell folks it's like first grade. your first grade teacher told you to do something, maybe you didn't understand it, but you did it. now, if your official tells you to evacuate, get the heck out because they know better than you. charles: sir, have you been in contact with the white house, and if so, what assurances have they been making, what extra precautions are -- or actions are they taking? >> yeah. let me compliment president trump. we, the federal delegation -- the senators, the members of congress and the governor -- all asked president trump to make an emergency declaration for communities, and the president
did that. and what this does, if you will, is preposition and gives access to federal resources. if there's pumps that can be deployed, financial resources that may be called upon, the president makes those available. and this president does that. as does every president when he sees a natural disaster that's coming. so hats off to president, the pumps i described going to morgan city, it's something that federal taxpayers may be helping. charles: senator bill cassidy, your line is breaking up. want to thank you very much. really worrisome period down there, we appreciate and know that all of us are praying for you, and we're watching. thanks for taking the time out. >> okay, charles. charles: well, the u.s. coast guard already getting to work. rescues are underway now. we've got those details next. with sofi, get your credit cards right-
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charles: we are hearing rescues are already underway in new orleans as tropical storm barry barrels toward the gulf coast. to fox's casey casey steagall is in new orleans where not all residents are leaving, but the risks are rising. >> reporter: hey, charles. yeah, actually, we've switched locations, now not in new orleans, but in sly dell which is not far, it's just on the other side of lake pontchartrain. we had to get over here because once the sun came up, we started getting a better sense of the water and in terms of how much it is coming up, because you can see in this neighborhood that you've got a whole lot of standing water already here collecting in this yard. you can see the sign there, north shore beach association community building. but further down you can't even access it really because this road is totally underwater. so, again, this is slydell,
louisiana. they were saying we were going to get a whole lot of rain in new orleans once barry made landfall. so where all of this water's coming from, charles, is straight back there. i don't know if you can see it real well since the rain's coming down really hard, but you have those giant white caps in the background. that is lake pontchartrain. and if you're watching us at home and you live in iowa or you live in michigan, this is not like a normal lake. i think you should pull it up on google maps and see just how large it is. so lake pontchartrain feeds into lake bourne, and then lake bourne is what is connected to gulf of mexico. so when we have hurricanes and tropical systems coming through, the storm surge pushes up into the mouth of the gulf, into lake
bourne and then pontchartrain gets really high as well. so the white caps back there just lapping against the shore. one thing that you probably notice when you've been walking around here and seeing, all of the houses for the most part, they're on stilts, right? because this is extremely low land, and it's right here next to lake. so a lot of the houses are at least up really, really high. so right now you can see there's no -- it's not even getting close to living quarters of the homes. as you drive through in those under portions, those are the garages under the stilts, and they have giant lifts that pull up their boats, and they get their atv. we saw one guy that had his camaro and jet ski raised up really high, and they almost hug the bottom of the house itself. so that's how people are protecting and defending their property. at this point we have heard about some to coast guard rescues happening down in a
southern parish. you've got a lot of sort of little fingers of land that stick out along the gulf coast down there where a lot of the fishing happens and kind of where the oil spill was. those areas always flood, and so there is a report of some people in a house, eight people in a house, and the coast guard is trying to get to them. we're told that they're okay, so we're going to stay on top of that. clearly now that barry is starting to show us what he's got, i think we could be in for the long haul here if it's going to be raining like this over a prolonged period of time like it is forecasted to do, charles. charles: yeah. i'm struck by the idea that we already are seeing rescue attempts. as you were speaking, i saw a couple of folks walking around, yet one of the streets, the street that you started on, had already completely flooded. so tell us about the people in these areas. i mean, they've been through a lot, you know? maybe some are confident they can ride this out.
>> reporter: yeah, it's an interesting group of people. they're so fun to talk to. it's kind of strange because, you know, we're here covering a very serious event, and then you get out and you talk to some of these folks, they've got smiles on their faces, none of them are kind of -- some of them are kind of making a party of it, if you will, kind of sitting on their lawn chairs under their homes and watching the water. one thing for sure, they know what to do. if you live down here and if you have property and this is your home or this is your beach house, well, you know what to do. the area is extremely low lying, and that's why the buildings are all raised. so, you know, you've got a mix of people who are, you know, taking this seriously, they are heeding the evacuation orders even if they're voluntary. we were live two days ago out in the lower ninth ward talking about the preparations underway, and one guy stopped by our camera position and told us that he was not in the mandatory
zone, but he was still going to take his four daughters -- or his four kids, and he was going to go as far north as he could. so you've got a mix of people that aren't playing with this. they went through katrina, and they just don't want to take any kind of chance. and then you have others who are, you know, saying that they have been through cat four, cat fives and, not to minimize this, but this relatively speaking isn't what they've gone through in the past. so they're not that worried. charles: what about plans, casey, to -- in case it does become worse than perhaps some think it might be, are there community plans, you know? if people say, okay, i've got a boat, i'll come by, you know, x -- these amount of houses and homes? i mean, some of these local communities, have they already devised their own ways of getting out if things get worse? >> reporter: absolutely. again, this is an area that is, you know, so used to these types of events. and as they stated at some of
those press conferences and those, you know, briefings with the press prior to barry making landfall in the last few days, they've been talking about how they have drills year round to prepare for this. so a lot of the parishes, the individual powerrishes have their own -- parishes have their own evacuation plans in place. everything is so unique that the other part about in the, when you drive all through here, it's so unique. we were just in downtown metro new orleans, it's the mayor metro -- major metro area, you know? 25 miles in that direction. now we're out here sort of, you know, in a more remote location right here along the water. so you've got just a variety of communities and various situations. you've got a lot of industrial down here as well, charles. you well know that, you've got the oil platforms and all that. so a lot of different scenarios. but they say they're ready. charles: casey steagall, thank you very, very much. appreciate it and be safe. >> reporter: you got it.
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charles: a team of volunteer rescuers are no stranger to storms. they are nobody as the cajun navy -- known as the cajun navy. their president, sean booth roe, joins me on the phone. thanks for taking the time. >> thank you guys for having me. charles: describe to audience just how many volunteers you've assembled, and what's the game plan here? >> gotcha. so right now we've got a crew together in iberia parish as
requested by their eoc, their emergency operations center. we meet the needs of what they ask for, but we have got many, many more, if not hundreds, who are on standby waiting for a call for us to say, hey, there's more going on than we have assets for, we need more help. so we haven't made a massive staging area outside of these smaller agreements that we have, but we have several small agreements across the state with boats in those areas to deploy and more on standby. charles: sean, during katrina a state senator put out a call on the radio, we need anyone with boats, and os tensing by, i think that was the genesis of your organization. you guys have saved literally thousands of lives through many storms and hurricanes, harvey, irma, florence, michael. your reputation is such that it seems you would be growing and maybe tell us about how many people you have now with the cajun navy. >> yeah. so i'll specify, you know, in
2005 what happened there was, you know, it was a terrible situation for everybody. the call for help brought out a lot of folks who really made a huge difference in hurricane katrina. they didn't formalize their existence in a way that lasted for, you know, in any way much longer than that. in 2016 we had a flood event in denham springs, louisiana, livingston parish, baton rouge, and that has been, i guess, facilitated by social media, created our car insurance existence as the -- current existence as the cajun navy. i can account for thousands of volunteers especially during harvey. i went to over 2500 in 72 hours. these are transient volunteers, they come in when they can. it's always a dynamic. charles: is there any kind of special, we know the primary mission is rescue. i did go to your web site, i saw where you guys distribute supplies also.
is there any kind of additional training like volunteer fire people might take? >> absolutely. we do a search and rescue training usually in the spring that's just to familiarize our administrative staff with the process of set-up, you know, mobilization, demobilization, setting up our mobile everything oc. -- eoc. we invite volunteers to come and participate. we also do technical rescue training. we've got a group of guys who are going to be usar certified which, in essence, we're looking to grow that to include swift water and other surf as the opportunity comes. so that all involves anybody in the professional rescue industry. charles: right. >> if you want to volunteer with us, we gladly take you on to augment what we're doing. charles: shawn, i salute you, civilian volunteers saving lives, there's nothing better than that. thank you and good luck. >> thank you all very much. please check out our web site, cajun navy relief.com. charles: we sure will. so are we measuring storms all
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11:00 from the national hurricane center. meanwhile, from oil rigs being evacuated to flight cancellations mounting, want to go to fox business network's lauren simonetti on how barry is hitting business. >> reporter: hey, charles. 257 oil platforms in the wonderful of mexico evacuated, that's about 60% of the region's production. 1.1 million barrels of oil a day offline now. it is affecting gas prices across the country. so the price of gasoline, the average is $2.78 today, three cents higher this week, but very likely to go up in the aftermath of this storm. i do want to point out that natural gas prices are also jumping. production from those operations in the gulf of mexico. something to watch for here is the potential refinery outageses because of all of this rain that could continue to bump up gas prices nationwide. look, this is a nightmare for local residents, they're worried about their lives and families, homes and businesses. and for those tries to get to,
from or through the area, a nightmare as well. take a look at this, 840 flights canceled within the u.s. in the past two days. almost 6,000 flights have been delayed between yesterday and today. it doesn't look much better for tomorrow, charles. i do have good news. airlines are waiving those change fees for affected passengers. but make sure to contact your carrier asap, because there's often deadlines on when you need to rebook your travel by. the residents and the first responders, they're dealing with the process of power throughout the -- the loss of power throughout the state of louisiana, more than 60,000 without power. and to put a number on the damage expected with all of in the, accu weather estimates between $8-10 billion, that's mostly from the water, right? storm surge, the flooding and the rain that comes with this slow-moving system, charles. charles: lauren, thank you very much. well, as barry batters the gulf, the biggest threat is not from wind, but rather from water. so my next guest says we need a
new model for storm warnings that include looking at flood potential. lieutenant general russell ray is the former joint task force katrina commander, and he joins us now. general, thanks for joining us. >> well, it's good to be with you. charles: we have learned over the last several years that it's the water, in many cases the rain, the flooding that has created the most halve only for -- havoc for humans. so how would you change the system? >> well, charles, i think we need to create the language that can be underon the breakfast table -- understood on the breakfast table. for a few days this week, charles, they were talking about a cyclone. that's not a language we've normally used in and around the gulf. we talk hurricanes and tropical storms. but what has happened in this weather pattern as we see presented to us today is that most of us have grown up with more attention since katrina paying attention to category of
storms. can -- and what we have learned is that even a hard thunderstorm, as was the case in baton rouge in 2016, flooded the city. 60,000 homes were underwater, and people are just getting back in their homes. we had another storm here in new orleans on wednesday. we need language and to work with the national weather service and with local governments to be able to give people warning of the prediction of where we might get the flooding, because people here are conditioned to talk about category of storm. whereas the thing that caused the most damage in the storm is the water in the hurricanes. and for people to pay more attention, if you tell people a category three is coming, they'll leave, charles. charles: right. >> but if you tell them 20 inches of rain might come, they say, well, it's not a category three, we're not leaving.
charles: right. >> and we have very little evacuation that's been conducted because they pay more attention to wind than they do to effects of the water. and water causes more damage than the wind. charles: and to your point, i think a lot of people hear tropical storm, and, you know, it sounds, okay, it's threatening, but not necessarily life-threatening. and often some of these events become much more powerful as they hit land, and then it's too late for some people to evacuate. >> absolutely. and, you know, we're in a critical -- the heartbeat of converging industries down here. the port of new orleans if between new orleans and baton rouge we have over a hundred petrochemical plants that we're concerned about. so the integrity of the river, the language we use to give people early warning, i think we need to relook at that because the category of storm is not getting it, it's not meeting the needs to provide people sufficient information to look at just at the impact of water.
particularly when the mississippi river is at flood stage. it's going to have a significant economic impact on america. charles: we should point out to audience, new orleans itself continues to sink even deeper. so, you know, just, you know, the amount of water that came through with katrina, with the storm surges and the broken levees, it may not even have to be that much water if the town itself is taking even lower below sea level. >> absolutely, sir. katrina -- it wasn't the rain water that got us, it was the levees breaking that caused the city to flood. as is the case, we have the threat we have today which is still a tropical storm, up to 20 inches of rain many some areas. charles: right. >> that is going to flood several parishes because as the water flows, it flows back toward the gulf and toward the mississippi river, and those parishes will flood twice. first from rain water, then from runoff from the parish north of
them. it's a dilemma we have, but it speaks, charles, and we've spoke many times about we need to update our infrastructure to match these weather events we're having. charles: there's absolutely no doubt. we continue to salute you as a hero of katrina, and your warning right now should be heeded. general honore, thank you very much. >> be safe. charles: more next on where the storm is headed, but first, i.c.e. raids are imminent, and mayors of some of the biggest cities remain defiant. retired acting i.c.e. director ron visit yellow is on with us next. oh, now, he's on with us -- oh, no, he's on with us now. sorry, ron. manage your diabetes. with the freestyle libre 14 day system, a continuous glucose monitor, you can check your glucose levels any time, without fingersticks. ask your doctor to write a prescription for the freestyle libre 14 day system. you can do it without fingersticks.
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york city next month. i.c.e. preparing to -- [inaudible] beginning tomorrow. fox news correspondent garrett tenney is in washington with the latest. garrett? >> reporter: well, charles, administration officials tell us this operation will target roughly 2,000 individuals and families who have ignored orders from federal judges to leave the country. sources also tell fox news these raids will take place in ten of the largest cities in the country including new york, baltimore, atlanta, miami, houston, chicago, denver, san francisco, l.a. and new orleans. the raids in new orleans may be delayed due to storm. protests are taking place in many of those cities ahead of these immigration sweeps. several democratic city leaders have instructed local police not to assist i.c.e. in any way while other lawmakers are vowing to fight the administration's efforts any way they can. >> we're all here to say we stand with our families, we stand with our communities. mr. trump and to the department
that is coming after our families, if you want to come after them, you're going to have to come through all of us. >> reporter: it is highly unusual for the government to publicize these kinds of raids ahead of time, but in this case mark morgan, the head of customs and border protection, is said these are designed to provide deterrence to those in central america who are maybe deciding to come to u.s. and last month when president trump decided to delay the raids, on friday the commander in chief said this time he won't be stepping in. >> it starts on sunday, and they're going to take people out, and they're going to bring them back to their countries, or they're going to take criminals out, put them in prison or put them in prison in the countries they came from. we're focused on criminals as much as we can. >> reporter: there the president is speaking to one of the big concerns from democrats and activists that these raids will result in a lot of folks who are not criminals being deported and lead to more cases of family separation.
charles: how will i.c.e. go about conducting these raids, is the big question. former acting i.c.e. director ron vitiello joins us now. ron, we saw the hearings just yesterday on capitol hill, very emotional, a lot of heart-wrenching stories told. the men and women of i.c.e. under a lot of pressure. how do you anticipate it being rolled out? >> well, very carefully. the professional men and women of i.c.e. will methodically plan these operations to target the people that they know have been ordered by a judge to be removed. they were subsequently noticed about their immigration proceedings as being ordered can deported by the judge. so they'll methodically go through and find these targets and do it in the safest way possible, and our heart goes out to them. we want them to be safe while they conduct these operations. it's an important thing to do. the president's remarks also talked about the criminals that are in the country, and so if you want to have an immigration system that has integrity, this is a way for the government to respond in closing the loop.
what happened -- who are these people? they crossed the border illegally, they were released by the border patrol and/or by i.c.e., they were noticed to go to a court hearing for their immigration proceedings, they refused to do that. they were subsequently noticed by i.c.e. to do that again, and they didn't. and so now they've become, you know, this is a way for the administration, i.c.e. and these officers to close the loop. so we want them to do it safely. they're professionals, i'm sure they will. charles: ron, yesterday nancy pelosi at a press conference sent the message out to illegal immigrants who may be part of this sweep telling them how to avoid i.c.e. agents, telling them what warrants to respond to and what not to respond to. i saw several videos that show people how to avoid or how to push back against i.c.e. on this. does this create a danger when people try to, you know, become lawyers, people refuse to adhere to these warrants? have the democrats actually increased the chances of
something bad going wrong? >> this is very disappointing. you have the third in line of succession to the presidency, the speaker of the house, telling people to yet again flout the law. they crossed the border illegally, they had an opportunity to get right with the immigration law and have a hearing, they refused to take it. they were noticed again by i.c.e., and now the speaker of the house -- who could do more to fix this problem than anybody in government right now, she could put legislation on the floor to fix what's going on at the border. she fuses to do -- refused to do that. she's asking people to flout the law yet again. charles: these major cities where you have some mayors and police department chiefs saying they're not going to adhere, they're not going to help i.c.e., they're going to rally around the potential folks who might be picked up, how much more difficult is that going to make the job? >> it makes it imminently more difficult. our agents, the officers have to find these people, and any barrier that's put up in front of them like telling them what
to do when they show up, that's not a good thing. these jurisdictions now, it might feel good to protect these folks but, in fact, crossing the border and coming in illegally is a crime. and for them to flout that or for other leadership in government to flout it, it's a mistake. i hope we don't find out like some of these families out there that have lost loved ones to people who can released, criminals in the country because they were here illegally, jurisdictions didn't call i.c.e., this is a mistake. i hope they don't find out the wrong way. charles: ron, i want to get back to yesterday, i brought it up a moment ago, but what we heard about the detention tenters there. even -- centers there. even vice president pence saying many of the centers are overcrowded. everyone acknowledges it's a crisis. what do you make of the way that border patrol was portrayed by members of congress yesterday? many alluded to, perhaps, racial animosity and other factors for the fact that they're having
trouble containing this avalanche of human beings that no one was prepared for. >> these are brave men and women in the border patrol who are in a is situation they can't get themselves out of. it's an overwhelming crush in surge at the border, and it's going to cause these facilities to be overwhelmed. they weren't built for what they're being used for, and they weren't built for this kind of population. and so if congress is upset about that, they're the ones that could fix this. the president, the administration, i.c.e., cbp, they're doing everything they can to make conditions better. but if you don't reduce the flow -- and that's going to require a legislative change -- then it's going to continue. and the house of representatives and the democrats in congress are the ones that have the pen to get us out from under this problem. you cannot improve those conditions if you don't reduce the flow. the only way to do that is with legislation. charles: real quick, have you ever articulated to some of these folks opposed to what i.c.e. is doing about the idea that maybe some of these criminals, maybe the ms-13 members who are living in these cities are actually preying upon the very men, women and children
that the democratic leaders said they're trying to protect themselves? >> yeah, this is a big problem. a third of the i.c.e. arrests that were made on long island when they cracked down on ms-13 a few years ago, a third of those were people who came to border illegally as children. so they fled their home country because of the violence and the gang activity in their homes, and then they came to united states, and they got recruited by these very same gangs. it's not a good situation at the border, and it's not good in the interior of the country where people are saying just because, you know, i.c.e. is coming that we're going to protect folks. some of these folks come to border, they're criminals, and it's not good for jurisdictions not to cooperate with us. charles: rob vitiello, thank you very much. appreciate it. >> thank you. charles: now video footage from louisiana. maybe this is why the parish president is urging his residents to stay off the roads. we'll talk to him next. ♪ ♪ this is the couple who wanted to get away
charles: at the top of the show, rick reichmuth told us winds gusting at 90 miles an hour. take a look at this. check out this new video. it's from la forge parish, louisiana, the south levee there. it ises no wonder the president of that parish has been telling people to stay off the roads. on the phone with us now is the president of the parish, james cantrell. james, thanks for joining us. >> thank you very much. charles: i'm sorry, thank you very much. these photos, these videos that are becoming more ominous by the moment, tell us from your point of view what we're looking at here. >> well, looking at our levee
system, we're looking at probably -- this may be outside our levee system, it's hard to tell. behind our lee see system we are, so far -- levee system, we are so far pretty good. we don't have intrusion of water. we get sporadic rain, and the wind gusts up, the worst is probably going to come when the storm hits, because there's a train of rain that comes along with it. and it's just -- we're just like in the middle of it at this point. the worst, i'm sure, is going to come today and tomorrow and tonight. so we're still asking people to stay off the roads. it's very dangerous. we sure don't want you to drive into any water. we don't know how deep it is, and we're still -- we want you to be safe. so stay at home or don't go anywhere you're not supposed to go. hopefully, everybody is east of this and makes themself safe. we want you to be safe. and if you get in the trouble,
right now we may not be able to get to you so, please, don't go somewhere you're not supposed to go. charles: did you have any sort of evacuation notice, whether mandatory or just voluntary? >> no, sir. we had a mandatory evacuation of the low-lying areas that's beyond our levee system. we cannot reach these people because all the roads are flooded by now. because of the high tide. so we asked them to, please, move to a safer area. we opened up a couple -- one center to accept people that are not, that are in the flood zone, okay? charles: you mentioned that you won't be able to get to some of these folks. what kind of emergency preparations are there potentially if the people are stranded? >> well, we have people that will handle that for us. the coast guard is the one that
handles most of those things. and, hopefully, we had in a neighboring parish they had to rescue 10 or 12 people on an island that they were asked to move off, they thought it wouldn't be that bad, but it is bad. please, i wish everybody would just heed what we tell them, because it makes it a lot easier on us. charles: officially, the national hurricane center has changed tropical storm barry to hurricane barry. again, everyone has warned that this was a possibility. james, how does that change things for you? >> not too much for me. i mean, close to land right now. hopefully, it doesn't get of much over that 75 mile-an-hour wind. the biggest part right now is a train of, that brings in the rain. charles: right. >> just hope it doesn't sit over us and give us 6, 8, 9 inches of rain -- charles: gotta go.
james cantrell, thank you very much. folks, again, the national hurricane center's now calling this a life-threatening event. what scares the director the most, well, we're going to help him track it minute to minute. again, this is now hurricane barry you're looking at. 's not ! (burke) hit and drone. seen it, covered it. at farmers, we know a thing or two because we've seen a thing or two. ♪ we are farmers. bum-pa-dum, bum-bum-bum-bum ♪ i get to select my room from the floor plan... when i book at hilton.com free wi-fi... ...and the price match guarantee. so with hilton there is no catch. yeah the only catch is i'm never leaving. no i'm serious, i live here now. book at hilton.com and get the hilton price match guarantee. 0...
>> it is the greatest concern when we have these sort of storms that as they approach land, they become more powerful and more organized and this is exactly what's happening all morning long. we talked about tropical storm barry and now we're told by the national hurricane center that we are looking at and dealing with hurricane barry. this makes it a much more intense situation. in fact, we're going to go and listen to the national hurricane --. >> welcome back to the national hurricane center, this is ken graham here in our operations area, where everybody has been watching this storm so closely and really, we have an update from the aircraft and some of the observations on the ground. we now have hurricane barry as
of 10:00 eastern time. located about 40 miles south of lafayette. moving northwest 6 miles per hour. so we still have the slow movement so the maximum sustained winds 75 miles per hour. 993 millibars on the pressure and there it is. it's an interesting structure because it's different from what we normally expect. when you look up in a textbook what it should look like, around marsh island, there's some little spins. coming off the actual center. that spin is actually wrapping around the center of the rotation. know the a whole lot of rain educated there, but you've got to be careful because there's not rain in the area doesn't mean there's not hurricane force winds. so a very dangerous situation associated with this. a lot of the rain associated with this south and towards the southeast, but look at those rain bands continuing over the same area, which is incredibly dangerous, we've had tornado warnings go out and a lot of warnings associated with the rain as well. if you look at it, we've mentioned it before and it's worth mentioning again, the
storms look like they're moving fast. they are moving very fast. the overall area of the rain isn't moving very fast so that means prolonged rain, flooding, dangerous situation, again, 100 miles or so away. 150 miles away from the center you're getting that flooding rain. moisture is still to come, a big message i want to get across that's real important that this is kind of a lopsided type storm, but it doesn't mean it's not dangerous. it's a huge storm over the gulf of mexico, because it's not raining in portions of louisiana doesn't mean it won't. with time it's headed northward. all of that moisture is headed north and increased levels of rainfall and look at the track. this is the latest. look at the tropical storm force winds, and also the hurricane force winds in that location, right around the center. so not a large area, but at the same time, very powerful winds here, so that's the track. inland we are going to have issues as we move northward into arkansas and missouri at times,
those tropical rains will move along with it as we see with the rainfall. look at the rainfall associated with it, right on the coast. and you've got to get the large totals, 10 to 15 inches of rain, some places more, but with time that spreads northward. even if you're not on the coast you get the big-time rainfall amounts and dangerous at times. the rain mainly along the track, to the east of the track in the rain bands. we've talked about this, the water levels and we've seen some pictures of the roads underwater. a dangerous situation when it comes to the storm surge. look at the values, three to six feet in along the plaquemines, and lafourche and the terrebonne parish. harrison ton hancock county, three to five feet. as we look at this, it may not look like your typical hurricane. we have hurricane force winds, but all the moisture is headed that way, rain bands dangerous and all is moving north so we
have to be prepared. this has been ken graham here at the national hurricane center. >> the national hurricane center, of course, just now updating the latest on barry, which is now a hurricane. jeff paul is in baton rouge, louisiana with the latest from there. jeff. >> yeah, charles, the wind gusts are really starting to pick up here in baton rouge as the ran begins to pour down. it hasn't been raining and hasn't been windy all morning, but as they updated barry into a hurricane, things have started to pick up in baton rouge. we're looking at what folks call the new bridge in the background. you can kind of see the rain starting to move in. this is the mississippi river and this is what folks here in baton rouge are really concerned about, that once this hurricane starts to make landfall ap starts to move through the area, that they're going to get a lot of rain that they really can't handle. one of the things i want to show you as we walk over here off into the distance, this gives you an idea how the wind are out here. if you take a look over here,
you can see the flags moving at a pretty good tick. most of the locals here are referencing what happened in 2016, in fact, we talked with a local a little while ago about this, about this flood that happened a few years ago and here is what he had to say. >> i was in hurricanes and tropical weather for as long as we've been here, so, it's kind of a way of life. we deal with severe weather every year, a hurricane will it hit us, not hit us, how about the rain or it's part of a daily life in louisiana. >> the difference, the folks we talked to between 2016 and now they're actually ready for this. they're told they'll get 10 to 20 inches and we've been talking about rain in feet. in 2016 they had no idea that was coming. this here, strong wind gusts pick up and this is happening as the storm gets closer and closer. we walk over here a little bit,
charles, this is possibly going to be a spot that they will have people seeking refuge if this storm does impact this area greatly. so, they are-- they're in place, they're getting ready for hurricane barry, charles. >> thank you very much. well, of course, louisiana not the only state getting battered by barry. so is mississippi. what is a safe plan of action once barry makes landfall? joining us on the phone, the governor of mississippi, governor, thank you for joining us. >> thank you for having me. >> i'm sure you heard moments ago, now it's official, it's hurricane barry and we've heard the warnings about this huge storm, the rain, the moisture, the rain bands, and storm surges. the storm surges created a lot of the havoc and trouble, obviously, with katrina and subsequent weather events. how is your state preparing? >> well, as you heard just a few moments ago, and just said this now, a cat 1 hurricane so we have been preparing for the past week as a matter of fact and our
trouble is, this storm has been lingering. we're getting water and we'll get more water and it's still off shore. we'll wait it may be 6 to 12 hours, depending on the speed, 3 to 5 miles per hour moving now. i'm in harrison county and just moving over to hancock county in a few moments, but it's the rain that troubles us, particularly as it moves up the mississippi river to the mississippi delta, the yazoo has been underwater, and the acres have been flooded since then and receive another, perhaps 6 to 12 inches so we're preparing all that we can do here for flooding. we've got swift boat rescue teams standing by, 24 persons there. we've issued 80,000 sand bags. we've got three centers open just now with another ten waiting as people need an area to go to if they're flooded. so we're standing by to see what will happen and preparing for the worst and hoping for the best. >> we've heard before you came
on a resident of baton rouge saying it's a way of life, part of daily life in those areas for some folks. so, in that regard, some people believe that you can ride all of these things out. how satisfied are you with evacuations that have gone on? >> that's the trouble you have. we've had, for example, in the yazoo backwater, a mandatory evacuation notices since march so we hope no one is there. we always warn everyone stay off the beaches, for example. don't think you can go out there and have fun because the waves are high and the wind is blowing on the beach. stay off the beach. don't travel if you don't have to. for certain do not go into standing water, turn around and don't drown as we like to tell people, to remember that. so, yeah, it is-- we've lived through katrina. we've lived through hurricanes before. we are probably as best prepared as any state could be for this. we're looking to the west at our neighbors in louisiana, i talked to the governor the day before yesterday, john bell edwards there and let him know whatever
assets we have, to share we would. i've talked to the governor of florida. all of us in the southeast are prepared for this. we've hardened this target here on the mississippi gulf coast, much of the structures are 20 feet off the beach in the air so if we get a 6 to 8 foot surge we will be able to manage that, and we will continue life as it is on the beautiful mississippi gulf coast as soon as this storm passes. >> governor, when we think of the katrina, we think about the broken levees and the controversy and efforts that have been made since then. what are some of the changes that have gone on in your state since katrina and some of the lessons through all of these storms that you've learned and now are applying? >> well, of course building codes is one of the first things to look at. how could we make sure we raise those structures up so that surge goes under and not through these structures. making sure that you-- whatever is on the beach is moved off. so any recreational activities
going on, any light structures, get them off the beaches so they don't blow across the road. move the sand blowing and covering highway 90 on one side so people who do motor, even the police officers that are travelling there can see the surface that they're travelling on. making sure that we've got rescue teams standing by in the event that we do get high water rescue calls, we will be able to respond with boats or high vehicles. opening shelters so that people, particularly those that may be homebound might be able to get relatives to move them to shelters to keep them safe during this troubling time. we've been through this time and time again. we've done everything possible to make sure that people are safe and there's no-- >> good morning, our thoughts and prayers are with you. thank you for taking the time with us. >> thank you, charles. >> our own steve harrigan is reporting on the rescue mission in mississippi. his crew has video.
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communications, ready to go should any of the impacted states rekier it. gillian: so far no word from the president on barry. he's currently in washington at his golf course with senator lindsey graham. but vp made assurances from mcallen, texas. >> we hope that this simply remains a storm. we're praying that this storm goes through without any loss of life or significant damage, but all of our hearts, all of our hearts are in louisiana. gillian: president trump issued an emergency declaration of the state of louisiana wednesday authorizing fema to save lives, protect property, public health and safety and to lessen or avert the threat of catastrophe in those designated areas. the trump administration is keenly aware of the risks associated with this tropical storm. the city of new orleans in particular is of concern due to its low elevation and s
susceptibilitlility to flooding there's a state wide public health emergency in anticipation of barry's aftermath. charles. >> gillian, thank you very, very much. charles: jefferson parish, one of the areas in louisiana that's in barry's path. on the phone with me now is the president of the jefferson parish, louisiana. michael, thanks for joining us. >> yes, thank you, charles. thank you for having me. charles: barry is now a hurricane. we've heard from the national hurricane center, the risks have been heightened particularly the ring, we know it's slow moving. what's happening in the parish right now and what's underway, again, to help save lives and prevent any excess is seive damage. >> just so you know, jefferson parish is one of the largest in louisiana, over 400,000 residents. from lake ponchartrain to where the barrier island is located, which is a populated island. and tidal surge is one of the
things, especially now that this is a hurricane, winds will increase and push more water into our lower lying areas. we do have mandatory evacuations in place for the town of jean laffit. and others have been through this before and what we've done to be preventative with the amount of rainfall that we've gotten, we have 400 public works employers out draining our catch basins. we have 80,400 catch basins throughout the jefferson parish over the past 24 to 36 hours we've cleaned over 8,000 catch basins. since january 21, we've cleaned them and helps the water get to the drainage system and pumped out to lake ponchartrain or mississippi river or out-falls. and we've worked hard to improve
drainage in jefferson parish and brought on three new pump stations to help better drain us. just on wednesday we received almost eight inches of rain, not even connected to this event, and basically with us at full pump capacity and actually at 99.3% capacity, we could fill up the louisiana super dome in 41 minutes from turf to the top of the dome in 41 minutes. charles: so at what point, mike, as enhanced as your systems have become, would you be overwhelmed? is there a certain amount of rain you think you would be overwhelmed? a certain storm is youring-- surge that you would be overwhelmed. there has to be a tipping point where you have to be worried. >> there is. the storm surge is overtopping some of the lower lying levels i mentioneded earlier where we called for evacuations. all of those homes in there are raised camps and homes that have
water pass beneath them. they've experienced those problems before. obviously our pump system can only handle one inch of rain water the first hour and a half inch every hour after that. so i like to say our streets are designed as retention ponds. fortunately in jefferson parish we haven't had much structure flooding even with eight inches we received the other day. if we have isolated events of 15 inches of rain or 12 inches of rain, yes, we are going to have structure flooding. they're telling us now for jefferson parish we may only receive four to six inches of rain. that's better for us. and a lot of these winds are certainly going to take our power system down and our company has 421 crews in jefferson parish working to restore power as quickly as possible. we only have about 6,000 customers out right now. charles: mike yenni, we appreciate you coming on in this tough period and we're praying
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to do this. there's no need for us to overcrowd and to detain and underresource. there's no need for us to arrest innocent people and treat them no differently than criminals when they are pursuing their basic human rights. charles: that was democratic congresswoman alexandria ocasio-cortez during a heated hearing friday over migrant detention centers. many democrats are condemning the conditions of the facilities. so what will come of all of this? joining me is the national border patrol brandon judge. i'm sure you watched this with interest. was there an accurate portrayal of what the men and women of the border patrol, what they've been doing and how they've been doing their job? >> absolutely not. when you listen to congressman conley saying they have no soap, they have no toothpaste, toothbrushes and those different things. he is absolutely incorrect. there are very, very isolated few cases in which that might
happen, but the fact remains, it's because of mr. conley that we don't have those resources to provide the soap in those very few instances, but what's also very interesting and what the general public doesn't understand is mr. conley wasn't even there for the entire hearing. he came in, he gave his, if you will, diatribe and he got up and left so he didn't even listen to all of the witnesses, he didn't even take into account and that's why to answer your first question do i think anything is going to change? no, i don't. because these individuals they don't care. they come in, they make their statements, they ask their questions and they get up and they leave. sometimes in these hearings you'll only have three or four congressman even there at a time. they come in at their time to make their statements and then they leave. charles: so but the statements that we hear are damning, there were awful accusations named. women called names and forced to drink out of toilets, alexandria ocasio-cortez how she was
treated and fellow members of congress. so, you don't believe any of that stuff actually happened? >> so there was one point she made she was correct on. when she says that women should not be held in these facilities for 60 days, she's absolutely right. these facilities were meant to hold people for 72 hours. if we're holding them for 60 days, that shouldn't happen, but the other things that she said, forced to drink out of toilets, being called all of these names, we have video surveillance throughout all of these facilities, and if that were true, that video surveillance would show it. so, yeah, there's no way in the world that those accusations and allegations are true and that's can be in fact proven false. charles: for me the most powerful reasons for the wrong reasons, talk about political grandstanding. i'll play it. >> do you not care? is it because these children
don't look like children that are around you? have you ever held a deceased child in your arms? >> first of all, your comments are disgusting. i've served my country with 34 years and yes, i held a five-year-old boy in my arm in a tractor-trailer and knelt down and said a prayer for him and i knew his last 30 minutes of his life. i had a five-year-old son at that time. for you to insult my love of my country and for children, that's why this whole thing needs to be fixed. charles: the suggestion there was that border patrol allowing bad things to happen to these children because they're simply not white children. how does that make you feel? >> i want to explode just like mr. holman. i have two children who are adopted considered unadoptable from the state of arizona when they were 7 and 12 years old. i have personally given my own
money to aliens that i arrested for food. i have personally spent hours upon hours tracking individuals that were in distress to save their life. i have personally seen people die in front of me. this is an inaccurate portrayal and frankly, it's wrong to say that about border patrol agents. we do this as best we can. james epling lost his life going into the colorado river trying to save individuals that were in distress we do this all the time and for mr. garcia to say that to try to make this a race issue when 52% of our agents, we're the only federal law enforcement agency in the federal government that has more minorities than it does whites and then he's going to try to make this a racist issue. that is wrong and grand standing and that's politicizing federal law enforcement. charles: brandon judd, we appreciate it. >> thank you, charles. charles: we've got new video from plaquemines parish,
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themselves. and this is what a looks like in one of the neighborhoods in bay st. louis, mississippi. then one or two feet deep. this is chapman street. if you have a high water vehicle, he can go. he can go. if you have a high water vehicle like this truck you can get through it, but most of the neighborhoods are one way in or out and this is the one way, this truck is going to make it. that man up on his porch there, there's no sense of anxiety or fear that people are going to have to leave this storm. that man told me he's 16 feet off the ground and no worries about a four or five foot surge which is about as bad as things can get. wheel people are prepared here, they are not letting down their guard. we're with fire officials today riding around in a high water vehicle and looking in neighborhoods for anyone who might have needed help.
and we talked to the chief and they haven't rescued anybody yet, but sometimes people get caught by surprised. >> every now and then you get the elderly person that's not able to and that's what we're there for. we'll come down and get them out. >> a light rain is falling here now. of course, the storm is far from over and the here is what that rain is going to bring. if it brings 10 to 20 inches we could see potentially catastrophic floods. if you have a jeep, you're in good shape here in bay st. louis. if you don't you've probably prepared for this man, he said he's had foot and water for several days, he doesn't plan on leaving anytime soon. back to you. charles: joining me is meteorologist joe bastardi. you call these so well and you understand it so much better than anyone else, but it still seems to catch the general
public or i should say our government officials off guard. >> it depends who you're listening to. in the private sector, my company weather bell has to get out and alert huge or oil companies a week away. so july third we started looking at the weather pattern and past patterns with are storms like this actually come off land, believe it or not, they're little upper air disturbances and the pattern is ripe to develop. so you get out in front of it. the end game like this, it's usually beyond what i do. i try to get people prepared before. and you know, what happens is, charles, if it happens, great. if it's not, it's hype. so there's a-- there's sort of like a competition that goes on here where you have to try to be right. you know. >> and we had general henri, a katrina commander who did such great work there. and one of the issues, the weather business, the forecasters probably should find
a different way to articulate the risk. in other words, we've seen-- even in new jersey, right? i live in jersey, storm sandy, they called it super storm sandy, it was never called a hurricane. it created more damage. >> well, yeah. charles: what can be done to articulate the risk and the dangers more so than-- because people don't believe a tropical storm is as threatening as a hurricane, but those can change as we saw in the last hour? >> my opinion is people have to listen better. i've been watching the national hurricane center since i was a little kid and their messaging is getting better and better and better and it's good, but unless you go look for something. unless you actually dig under the surface, you won't see that. so, what are you supposed to do? >> more recently though, the flooding has been much more of a problem than the winds themselves. so, can we maybe think of something that will articulate, hey, you know, the winds aren't necessarily as bad, but the
flooding is going to be life threatening, it will kill people if you don't get out of there? >> well, i've had a power and impact scale out since 2009. we have a weather bell where it describes these storms that don't have the focus fury at the center, but they're spread out like that and the slow movement of the storm and the sea level pressure is incorporated in and for instance, this is a category 1 hurricane at landfall arguably, right? but the total damage from the flooding is liable to be as big, it's not harvey or anything like that. it's huge. >> it will be big and the real problem starts with the mississippi being up so high, from the brutally cold weather and the late snow melt and the rain, the water in nebraska and iowa, that's now downstream and so the mississippi is up higher than normal and you get a three, four foot surge and this is what happens. you have to put those things together and the big thing what i try to do, to whoever wants to listen, try to get out in front
as fast as we can. >> the earlier the better. >> the earlier the better because you can make contingency plans. let's say you're an oil company and say that bastardi is right and we have to evacuate the oil rigs, we'll make reservations here and here, get out a day early and get back in early. charles: you know, we saw a somewhat politicalization by katrina where we were told that was the new normal and we'd get those sorts of events all the time. are we in a new normal now or these are historic storms that mankind always dealt with. gillian: you looked at harvey. it stalled over texas because of a cold trough. heavy rain set up over one area. i'm saying no, this is not anything new. there's nothing new under the sun. go back and look at what happened before. charles: the national service is calling this a life threatening event. the center's director is here.
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>> look at the read from ken graham, national hurricane center. what can you tell us right now? >> well, right now we have a hurricane, hurricane barry, but the reality is that's only a one mile an hour difference from being a hurricane. and look at the portion of mississippi coast all the way to alabama. interesting enough, the center around marsh island in louisiana there's not a lot of rain there we need to communicate because because there's not a lot of rain, the wind is there. the rain and 150 miles away with the impact from barry. charles: you're talking with your update to the hurricane you mentioned the storm surge and emphasized this is now very dangerous. what are the key dangers that you're concerned about? >> well, the key dangers aside from the rainfall without a doubt it's about the water.
you go back to history i falt -- the fatalities. the storm surge, three to five foot in lake ponchartrain to the mississippi coast. and three to six feet at louisiana coast. it's not just as landfall. as we move slowly to the north, the wind switch around and some people can see the peak water, maybe 12 to even 24 hours after landfall. charles: ken, the idea that this is a slow-moving system and you continue to talk about the moisture and rain bands, you said flooding is coming, there's no doubt about it, flooding is going to be a major, major issue. is that exacerbated by the fact that it's moving so slow? >> that's what happens. the slow movement. slow and large is our nemesis. and that's the case here. these are the forecasts sunday, monday, even into tuesday, look at the slow movement.
that slow movement doesn't help at all. that's more time for more rain and more flooding in a lot of the areas. slow is not good and that's what we have here. charles: ken graham, thank you very much, we appreciate it. >> you bet. charles: i want to go back to morgan city, louisiana and rob schmidt in the middle of hurricane barry. rob. >> hey, charles, yeah, it's a hurricane now certainly feels like it. we're getting spanked here in morgan city. the wind has gotten a lot stronger. the last time we were able to check we were getting gusts about 55. this has got to be at least 20 miles per hour faster than that in the gust department. i'm not sure if we're feeling sustained hurricane force winds, but hurricane gusts, but the sustained wind is pretty heart. the rain hurts the side of your face the first time it's been painful all day if i jump up, i'd probably end up in the water here. you can see the boats are docked here keeping them here and hoping everything will be okay
and confident it will be if this is all the worse it gets. it's close to landfall, and the wind makes for the most interesting stuff to watch on television and there's a good one. this is really going to be a water event. when the water comes in, and we see how high these rivers swell, when we see the storm surge, all of that moving together at the same time, that's really going to make the story and that's going to be the danger for all of these people living in these swampy bayou, low lying areas, and people at or below sea level. it's going to be a water story and that's going to be the concern. the wind will come, the wind will go, but this thing could linger for a couple of days. we could see the same storm producing rain even into morn and when it's over you, that's when the danger becomes the water. charles: rob, thank you very much. be safe, my friend. and also joining me now via skype in morgan city, louisiana is storm chaser, aaron, what's going on from your vantage point
there? >> how is it going, guys? i'm sitting here on the levee and the flood gates in morgan city, they're shut there and doing their job. that water is up against the flood gate and i found a flood gate that's open and normally people pick up a ferry here and the water is creeping its way up to the wall here, not quite up to the flood gate itself, but we're definitely getting hurricane force gusts here and the wind is getting stronger with the gusts through the morning. charles: your sense from your knowledge of how these things evolve, where this might go, what we might be looking at over the next 24 to 48 hours? >> yeah, you know, so i set up shop, i've got a hotel in morgan city and i'm expecting this to be a big rain event. i've been cruising around up and down the coast and trying to find where the strongest winds are and i just, i didn't want to get caught outside of morgan city because i expect that morgan city is kind of like a
bowl with the flood gates and if there's enough rain with slow mover and over morgan city long enough, that bowl is going to fill up with water. charles: that's the danger, isn't it, aaron? the inherent danger that everyone has been warning about. >> absolutely. i'm sure you've heard of cajun navy, i wouldn't be surprised if the cajun navy deployed themselves. maybe further up to arkansas and missouri if it sets up there and dumping rain. charles: are you seeing a lot of people out there? the evacuation notices have gone out, but we continue to hear that people have rode these out so many times that they're confident they can do it again. >> yeah, you know, i was-- yesterday i was down further on the coast in grand isle and i talked to a police officer there and i was asking him if people were evaluating because it was a mandatory evacuation, and his response, knowing the people of
grand isle they're probably riding it out. and sure enough, i saw most people looked like they were going about their normal day with water going over the road. kind of weird to see that, but they didn't look like they were worried or anything like that. and i asked talked to some folks who have ridden out several storms in a boat in a marina and they rode through katrina and other multiple strong storms with big waves. other than that they've got a big boat and as long as they keep that anchored down and pointed into the wind, they're fine. charles: how are you going to ride it out, aaron? . as of right now i like to stay mobile with the storms and like to follow the storms and i've got my vehicle here and play it by ear. it looks like the flooding is going to get real bad, then i may stay down in morgan city at the hotel, it's high ground there and shouldn't have any flooding there. up on the fourth floor there as well so i'm definitely not worried about any kind of flood threat there as long as i play it smart.
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>> life threatening flooding is expected in louisiana as hurricane barry is expected make landfall soon. what will the federal response look like. fema's response and recovery, thanks for joining us. >> thank you for having us today, thanks for what you did. >> yes, and fema is going to be on the front lines yet again. and now, everyone's bracing for this to be one of these events where there's constant rain, slow moving, flooding issues,
levee issues, what's the game plan for your organization? >> right, that's a great question, and i have to say, again, thank you for what you do, for what the media does for us to get the word out, get the, you know, this is a dangerous storm as you well know. so, right now, our game plan is to make sure that the citizen's impacted are doing everything they can to keep themselves safe, keep their family safe. let this storm pass and we will focus on the long road of recovery. charles: we understand on thursday, president trump issued the declaration, an emergency declaration and apparently, does that give fema additional resources and cooperation with other government agencies? >> it does. what it does for us, you know, as far as the game plan. every model and emergency management is best when it's locally executed which is happening right now. the parishes and local governments in louisiana are doing what they need to be doing to save their citizens and protect their infrastructure.
it is state managed so the state of louisiana has a great network through the emergency management and state resources. if we come in behind and that support that, the declaration, the emergency declaration moves the resources at that the state may need to alleviate suffering and those are in the state now as well as equipment teams and everything we feel we need to fill any gaps that may arrive. >> what's the communication like? of course you have different parishes down there, louisiana and mississippi, both on the front line. what's the communication process like to have been to make sure there are no bureaucrat particular snaf snafus? >> we deal with multiple levels of government and one of the most important is the private
sector, so you have to have good solid communications and the way we operate it's fairly simple. you know, we want to push the decision making and resources down to the lowest level possible so those professionals on the ground and those professionals that have the need, have tools they need to have good positive outcomes for the survivors. what you see behind me is more of a coordination role to get resources down to the lowest level down there. that level of government and decision making that's closest to the need. charles: fema has become synonymous with rescue in this country. i don't know, maybe the american public expects too much, but obviously you guys are now seen as the ones who have to come in on the days after the natural disasters. how does that change the way you apartment? >> we have to understand, a natural disaster, a disaster of
any magnitude, it takes all of government and it takes our citizens as i alluded to. we have one team, one fight and fema, obviously, we bring a big piece of that team together. we have a lot of resources, but it's not just fema we draw from our federal partners, the army core of engineers. as you know, the coast guard is on the scene now. they're doing what they do best, business save lives. we have part of our federal search and rescue assets on the scene now doing what they do best. most importantly we have a lot of law enforcement, fire, we have the louisiana natural guard and a lot of great teamwork is doing what they do. charles: right. >> so, fema, we're proud to be a part of that team and where we have to leave the effort we lead the effort. but when the states take the lead, we're supporting that.
charles: jeff, thank you very much. >> thank you so much. charles: thank you for joining us today as we've been watching this coverage. hurricane barry was a tropical storm and now it's a hurricane. we are watching this closely, so, please, make sure you keep it right here on fox. make a few waves, and memories to last a lifetime. so come to bass pro shops and cabela's during our new family summer event featuring free weekly skills workshops-- with crafts and backpack clips, games and activities. plus great deals on great gear during our summer sale and clearance. bass pro shops and cabela's-- your adventure starts here.
>> hurricane barry inching towards landfall sweeping parts of the gulf coast. experts warning the worst is yet to come as the system makes its way towards the mainland. welcome to america's news headquarters from washington, i'm kristin fisher and leland, this is our first hurricane of 2019 in the atlantic or the gulf. leland: the first of the season in 2019, you made a good point when you said inches. because it's moving so slowly, it means the rainfall totals in places that are already saturated goes up. the flooding risk goes up and on top of that you add the storm surge and the wind. right now it's off the coast of louisiana and a lot of residents have evacuated. there have already been