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this sunday we will be at the smithsonian. thanks for watching the special edition of "the ingraham angle," and we will see you on monday. shannon bream and the "fox news @ night" team take it from here. if they are lucky, we will share this with them. ♪ >> shannon: hello, i'd welcome to "fox news @ night," i'm shannon bream in washington. we begin with a fox news alert. is the democratic establishment souring on 2020 front-runner joe biden? tonight, one of president obama's top advisors issues a searing criticism of the former vice president. and later, rescue and recovery efforts are underway in the bahamas. thousands are still missing, and officials expect the death toll to continue to rise. britain ramps up efforts with the royal navy. officials also keeping an eye on china using this tragedy as a back door. we'll explain, and we investigate here plus, nfl quarterback drew brees facing criticism from the lgbtq community thanks to a
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promotional video, critics call it hatred. the organization firing back tonight. coming up. we start with kristin fisher with our stop story tonight, searing criticism for joe biden from one of president obama's top advisors. good evening, kristen. >> good evening, shannon. we are staying busy key democrats saying that it goes beyond gaffes, david axelrod's, top advisor in the obama administration, tweeted this. "it's one thing to have a well-earned rep for goofy, harmless gaffes. it's another if you seriously distort your own record. he joe biden is in danger of damaging this." shredded bite in 's claim in an interview on npr that he was against the war in iraq, even though he voted to mobilize military force in iraq. >> immediately when it started, came out against the war at that moment. >> the problem is, it's just not
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true. biden is on the record supporting the invasion of iraq, though he later changed his mind and said his vote was a mistake. another mistake, remember just last week, "the washington post" accused biden of getting a most everything wrong, and a war story he likes to tell on the trail. i don't forget about these. >> i love this place. look, what's not to like? >> poor kids are just as talented and just as bright as white kids. we choose a science over traction. we choose truth over facts. >> now some democrats say that the media is just blowing this way out of proportion. >> we can talk about this all day long, but voters simply don't care. speak with the voters can forgive donald trump being corrupt, they can certainly forgive joe biden if he lapses memory. >> so far, the lapses of memories, mistakes, gaffes, whatever you want to call them,
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have not hurt biden in the polls. a new poll shows biden ahead by eight points in a critical battle both state of wisconsin. followed by bernie sanders and elizabeth warren. everyone else is in single digits. all eyes are always on the front-runner, but that will be especially true at this next debate, next week in houston, as voters tried to figure out if these are just more of biden's signature gaffes, or something more serious. >> shannon: i think it will be really interesting to have him. this smaller group, all of the stage together, see how he fares facing some of his toughest critics peered >> over three hours, not two peers to be on popcorn pit kristin, thank you. impeachment talks about to come storming back on monday because congress is returning from recess, and progressives demanding democratic leadership take on the president. tonight, senior capitol hill producer takes us deep inside the capitol building to the very room where the progressive caucus may challenge a speaker pelosi on immigration. chad?
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>> shannon, there will be talk about gun legislation, efforts to avoid a government shutdown, but the big issue will be impeachment. the number of house democrats who favor either impeaching president trump, or at least launching a formal impeachment inquiry continues to grow peered more than half of house democrats want action on impeachment. this room is deep in the of the u.s. capitol, where democrats usually meet, and where they will strategize about impeachment, or as they say in the broadway musical "hamilton," the room where it happens. it all comes down to one democrat, house speaker nancy pelosi. she has a balancing act, mindful of members of the squad like alexandria ocasio-cortez and rashida tlaib are pushing for impeachment. pelosi must protect moderate democrats who represent battleground districts, where the president is popular. pelosi has navigated treacherous waters many times in this room, on several occasions earlier this year, pelosi kept
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rank-and-file democrats in check, projectin rejecting the r impeachment in this room. she huddled with top democrats in late july following the hearing with robert mueller. jerry nadler wanted to forge ahead drafting articles of impeachment after the hearing, but pelosi rebuffed nadler in this very room. pelosi's two-pronged approach of exploring impeachment may satisfy liberals, but some simultaneously infuriate them, d it opens the door for republicans to blame all democrats as dabbling in impeachment. pelosi is sure to get an ear full on impeachment when they meet in the coming weeks. there are 540 rooms in the u.s. capitol, but when it comes to impeachment, none more important than this one. as they say in the broadway musical "hamilton," the room where it happens. >> shannon: hc five. chad pergram, thank you. it despite the mueller report finding no evidence of collusion between the president and the russians, prominent democrat
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still pushing for impeachment on various other grounds. including tonight, just minutes ago, freshman democrat congresswoman ilhan omar tweeting "this is insanely corrupt. there is so much of it since he has taken office that we don't need mueller report for impeachment." she is referring to a report that the house oversight committee is now investigating another lie, facial use of trump properties around the world. let's discuss it with democratic strategist zach friend and the editorial director of "the daily caller," vince: the minskleone's. this comes back to life on monday when everyone comes back from this very long, sort of recess that they have been under, and they are ready to go, number of democrats into the speaker, no time to waste. it's not just democrats. here is a republican, susan dell per seo, saying this. about impeachment for this president. >> i don't know if we can wait until 2020 to put him in his place, but hopefully nancy pelosi can.
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>> shannon: what do you make of that, vince? she's from across the aisle. >> the question of impeachment, for what? we are talking high crimes and misdemeanors. democrats often use impeachment without explanation. even jerry nadler, the guy who is being looked to as the person to push this, constantly says openly, pursuing an impeachment inquiry, we never actually that. and it's because he's trying to attempt the same dance that nancy pelosi is pure they know how democrats won the house in 2018, on the centrists in their party, and the last thing they want to do is lose power. in this way is a fool's errand. >> shannon: and zach, you know the speaker has spoken publicly and privately about this, "politico" reporting today that pelosi has frequently accused trump of violating his oath of office. one colleagues against impeachment proceedings and sing public opinion is not behind such an effort. it seems like house judiciary chairman jerry nadler is really ready to get this things going.
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are those two still in agreeme agreement? >> i don't think so, i think there are three things they were considering, political, practical, and since i need a third word that starts with p, i will say philosophical component. there is basically an oversight responsibility of congress. i think it's reasonable they do that. but on the political side, some of the districts support it, but to vince's point, most don't. from a practical standpoint, even if the house voted this way, it's doa at the senate, so you got to recognize an election coming up, can be a referendum on the president of united states, so we'll have a decision whether the american people care about this are not already in a couple of months. >> shannon: okay, i want to circle back to the former vice president joe biden, now getting criticism from david axelrod. one thing to have gaffes, another to change your record but here's a bit of a mashup of various media outlets talking about the treatment of the former vice president on the so-called gaffes. >> we can talk about this all day long, but voters simply
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don't care. >> i would go further. not only do they not care about joe biden's gaffes, their anger is directed at the media for covering them. >> even if you got some of the details of the story wrong, it shows the core character of the man. >> biden's heart is in the wrong place. >> shannon: vince, his heart is in the right place. >> holy cow, that's generous. are there this week, joe biden's of the details don't matter for public policymaking, when in fact, they do entirely. joe biden is off balance. he got a point in his career where he is definitely showing decline in his ability to sort of cognitively hold a coherent policy decision, but the few that he does are very radical, and poll very poorly, especially when it comes to the general election. look, he supports taxpayer funding for abortion. he just said this very week that coal plants across the country, coal plants across the country have to close down. remember, hillary clinton said that was her biggest regret from the last campaign, that she said coal miners would lose jobs under her administration. joe biden is doing it now. this is not serving him while.
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>> shannon: former spokeswoman for the clinton 2016 campaign said she doesn't have to worry about correcting statements and misstatements from biden because it makes it harder to take the argument to president trump, he's not accurate about things. >> i think that's fair. that's the point that acts as making, unforced errors don't do us any good. i have to say with some of the other speakers that said that it hasn't made much of a difference, i respectfully disagree with events. no polling has showed any impact, especially in key states that will decide the 2020 election. they know who he is, and they're not judging him in a negative way about it. >> wait until the trump campaign rolls all of these ads in the general, though. >> shannon: ed rendell saying this is big, people who love biden are going to love him anyway. zach and vince come have a great weekend. >> thanks, shannon. spin on the death in the bahamas rising, official saying that is
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just the beginning here at hundreds, maybe thousands, are still missing. we can hurricane dorian flooding homes at north carolina's outer banks. appeared to be trapped in their attics in one particular spot. dorian still sweeping the eastern seaboard, though fearing further offshore. in addition to rescue and recovery efforts and the devastated islands of the bahamas, the trump administration also reportedly also focusing on rebuilding, at least in part about worries of the presence of china, which is apparently looking to leverage this tragedy in order to get a toehold just miles from our shores. correspondent leland vittert has been investigating. >> just 50 miles from our shore, shannon. 1960 presidential campaign john kennedy often said in the chinese language, the word crisis is composed of two characters. one representing danger, the other opportunity. tonight, there are real worries about what opportunities the chinese a seat in the bahamas, from the former senior director of the national security council
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speaking to npr, he said there are certainly concerns about the chinese having full access to the region. you can imagine a situation where they would develop intelligence capabilities, intelligence gathering capabilities, and of course, they could potentially one day have a naval base or chinese military base. if the chinese and its government controlled businesses are spending tens of billions of dollars on the so-called belt and road project, building pipelines, and the rest, all around the globe. they've invested heavily in latin america, buying influence, moves that worry the united states. here is the vice president in iceland earlier this week. >> the united states is grateful for the stand iceland took, rejecting china's belt and road financial investment in iceland. >> with some of the bahamas virtually wiped clean by hurricane dorian, many of its islands will be rebuilt from the ground up. that means things like telecommunication.
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china is a long suspected of using huawei to supply cell phone equipment and put backdoors for spying, and ports will have to be rebuilt, as we well. even in 2012, the chinese showed an interest in spending money in the caribbean. lots of money, as a matter of fact. 30 billion in the virgin islands, 30 billion in the cayman islands, 136 million in cuba, 75 million in jamaica. axios reporting tonight, shannon, that already, the trump administration is trying to figure out a way to block and tackle on this, keep the chinese out of the bahamas, and also try to help the bahamas rebuild their infrastructure with help from the united states, and then the influence that comes with that. >> shannon: there's goin they're going to need plenty of it good leland vittert, thank you for digging into that. it appears that they and around integra has off-loaded its crude oil supply in syria, the department report of the offering millions of dollars to the captain of that ship not to
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give up its cargo. national security advisor john bolton tweeted satellite pictures of the tanker near syria, saying anyone who says it wasn't headed syria is in denial, goes on to tweet this, karen thinks it is more important to fund the murderous assad regime then supplier for its own people. not getting any sanctions released until it stopped lying and spreading terror. attacks on police officers ramping up across the country, but are they getting support from elected leaders in their communities? our law enforcement panel next. with my hepatitis c, i felt i couldn't be at my best for my family. in only 8 weeks with mavyret, i was cured and left those doubts behind. i faced reminders of my hep c every day. but in only 8 weeks with mavyret, i was cured. even hanging with friends i worried about my hep c. but in only 8 weeks with mavyret, i was cured. mavyret is the only 8-week cure for all common types of hep c.
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>> shannon: the senior administration official tells fox news tonight the white house is considering a significant cut in the number of refugees
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allowed into the u.s. for fiscal year 2020. we are told officials are focusing on asylum-seekers because of a massive backlog, and it is limiting how many refugees can actually be vetted. the official says the overwhelming crisis at the southern border is taking precedence over refugee claims. the debate over sanctuary laws reigniting tonight after a california sheriff said those types of policies allowed an eagle illegal immigrants to go free, and then lead cops on high-speed chase and allegedly t a deputy. our chief breaking news correspondent trace gallagher has more. good evening, trace. >> shannon, good evening. federal immigration agents have complained for years about california's sanctuary laws. now a local sheriff is fed up because the dog nearly got one of his deputies killed. merced county sheriff vern moore he says 51-year-old waterloo bay whole lopez ferrera is an illegal immigrant with a violent criminal record. when he threatened to kill his wife's family, deputies went to arrest him, but the suspect was
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hiding in the bushes and opened fired, hitting a deputy in the leg and his bulletproof vest. that led to a shoot out, but lopez herrera got away. i was later, he was spotted in a stolen truck, a chase ensued, and when police finally stopped the truck, lopez herrera again opened fired until he was stopped by a canine. here is the sheriff, watch. >> bottom line is our immigration policies need to be revamped, because we are going to continue to have more of this situation happen. if we knew ahead of time that to his potential for violence was there. >> lopez herrera should have been deported numerous times, but stayed in the country because local law enforcement can't report him to i.c.e. as a violent felon peered also in california this week, governor gavin newsom signed a bill repealing a 150-year-old law that required citizens to help police officers in need. now, if an officer in california is in trouble or needs help detaining someone, you can legally ignore them.
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opponents of the repeal say the law was outdated, critics say this is california continuing to drive a wedge between the public and police. in boston last weekend, hundreds of people, including far left antifa members, showed up to protest the strait pride parade. many of them vowed to use violence, whom he did, injuring four police officers. but now the police department says it will review the officer's use of force. for the record, democratic congress members alexandria ocasio-cortez and ayanna pressley tried to help the protesters raise money to help pay their bail if they got arrested. and 34 of them did. finally, after yet another video emerged of an nypd officer getting doused with liquid, new york police commissioner james o'neill says there should be consequences for people who disrespect police. shannon? >> shannon: trace gallagher on the west coast, thank you.
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so our elected leaders turning their backs on law enforcement? joining me now, second vice president of the chicago fraternal order of police, martin pride, and form nypd dr. darrin porcher p thank you both for being with us. >> thanks for having us. >> shannon: trace touch on the situation in boston, the street pride parade, heavy police presidents. if there wasn't that police president someone got hurt or killed, as we saw in charlottesville, he is very fearful there would be enormous criticism. one of the city councilors tweeted, why do we need to have so many loss law enforcement officers in general? my take away from the videos is that this reinforces my militarization of police is harmful, especially with protests and large crowd situations. darren? >> let's let the professionals in law enforcement deal with law enforcement issues. this is a symptom of a systemic failure in government. we need to focus on not just protecting our police, but
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protecting our citizens. police, what they are doing, they are basically asking with a social contract and protecting the public, so when we look at a lot of these epic failures amongst government, it goes back to, we need the right people in play, and ultimately law enforcement is our first line of defense. in protecting the citizens of this great country. >> shannon: we have heard from a lot of police officers who have been willing to go public and speak out, especially in places like portland, where there have been very violent demonstrations and suggestions that police have been limited in what they can do in responding to those various situations. some of these officers will say, their hands or being tied by policies at city hall or elsewhere. >> yeah, police, particularly big cities that are run by the democratic party, there is an intense antipolice movement. there is a sentiment, all kinds
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of policies and laws and media attacks and decrees from the obama administration that are handcuffing the police. it when they take action and that is completely reasonable and legitimate, and appropriate, they are still being vilified. it is a dire situation in the country, and i think it's going to get worse. i fear for civil unrest, to be honest with you. >> shannon: i want to read something and get you both to quickly react here this is from, talking about what happened in boston, where there was violence back and forth. while i don't want to ignore what the police feel when they are forced to play referee when technical groups of people are itching to get physical, de-escalation is part of the job. they need to get out of the mind-set that if they just bust a few more heads, these problems will go away. quick response from you both, is that a fair assessment? >> i'm a strong proponent of de-escalation, meaning using your mind is your most powerful
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weapon on the street. that should always be your first recourse. but unfortunately, we have times where force may be -- may need to be employed as a result for the average police officer does not want to use force. they want to bring people into custody using a minimum amount of force necessary, and bigger than that, we don't want to arrest our way out of a situation. we prefer to use verbal dialogue, so when i look at writing such as this, it's troublesome to me, because the average officer is out on the street, and they want to maintain a peaceful presence. >> shannon: quickly, martin? >> de-escalation is the buzzword. every cop already uses de-escalation, but just like they paint the antipolice movement on the false rhetoric of social justice, they second-guess and attack the police actions, which are generally appropriate, by saying, well though, you could have the escalated. it's just another way to attack the police officers. >> shannon: martin and darren,
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an overloaded circuit, bad wiring, overheated battery exploding, they don't know. >> there is a lot of wiring and electrical systems. there may have been -- and we don't know this yet, there may have been gear charging. >> all the recovered remains have suffered varying degrees of fire damage, what requires dna analysis to reconfirm the indictment east of the victims appeared >> the owner of the dive boat is defending the crew, but also filed a limited liability claim thursday in federal court, denying any responsibility for the incident, and then damages to the family. forcing them to prove the owner knew or should have known the boat was dangerous. >> captain jerry remained on the boat as long as he possibly could, trying to get those radio calls in. within minutes, they would have been consumed. so they did their best. >> based on crew accounts, officials say passengers had no chance to survive. one because the layout and design of the boat, no one heard a smoke alarm, and they did not
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have a night watchman, as code requires. this is nearly identical to the boat that sank. according to a crew member telling investigators come he went to bed at 2:00 a.m. in the top area behind the wheelhouse. an hour later, they noticed flames. they can't get into the top of that, the back, or the front. they also said the passengers were trapped beneath and couldn't get out onto the second deck. >> they had went to the double doors of the galley to try and get in, but it was engulfed in flames. at that point, due to heat, flames, and smoke, the crew had to jump from the boat. >> and looking at this video, the small piece of wood is the exit for the emergency hatch. another angle shows you the full size person struggling to get out of the hole. officials trying to get down the main stairway appeared so steep, the first guy goes down backwards. ntsb has repeatedly said it
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could issue an interim finding that all overnight guidebooks here forward, no matter when they were built, have adequate and safe entry and exit. in a memorial is planned to remember those who died. in santa barbara, william la jeunesse, fox news. >> shannon: the tables have turned on california, where the trump administration is going after the state over car gas mileage standards. the federal government wants to implement a nationwide standard, but california does not plan to get with that program. here's corresponded gillian turner to explain. >> president trump has his sights set on rolling back fuel emission standards set by president obama, more than seven years ago. behind the scenes, the white house has been working with government regulators for weeks on new rules for automakers they plan to roll out any day now. >> we want to make it good for the consumer appeared in california, they have a standard with the cars will have to be much more expensive and won't be as good. >> unhappy about these nitro
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rollbacks, the state of california recently struck a deal with several major automakers, saying it's better for the environment and its customers. the volkswagen, honda, bmw, and florida come have all pledged to stick to the 2012 obama requirement to double the fuel economy of new cars and light duty trucks by 2025. but today, the epa and transportation department officially put california and the four automakers on notice. in a letter, they write this framework agreement appears to be inconsistent with federal l law. president trump's acting budget director agrees, saying california is trying to impose its failed policies on the rest of the country by making new cars significantly more expensive and less safe. according to automakers, the justice department has opened an anti-trump probe, experts warn could become a lawsuit. >> the trump administration is trying to restore the rule of law and take away the ability of california to set fuel economy
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standards for the entire country. >> california lawmakers say the trump proposal got the pollution standards set by president obama in 2012. the biggest single u.s. policy to reduce emissions bid senator feinstein saying i expect the administration's effort, like so many other bad ideas, will be taken to court and overturned. both ford and honda say they will cooperate with the justice department's probe. car companies have been lobbing president trump since his first week in office, though. now it seems at least some of them are changing their tune. shannon? >> and gillian turner, thank you. they are calling him a bigot and a hypocrite, after saints quarterback drew brees made a video encouraging kids to take their bibles to schools, should he apologize? we will ask an nfl legend, next. (vo) this is the averys. this is the averys trying the hottest new bistro. wait...and the hottest taqueria? and the hottest...what are those? oh, pierogis? and this is the averys wondering if eating out
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respect all. that is exactly how i live my life, that's what i try to do with my family, with my teammates, with people in my community, with my friends. all people. the fact that these rumors have been spread about me are completely untrue. >> shannon: drew brees defending himself against claims that he is a bigot, and anti-lgbtq pair the new orleans saints cute quarterback is sparg outrage for encouraging students to bring their bibles to school. turn to former nfl player burgess owens to talk about the professional sports ward. good happy with us. >> looking forward to it. >> shannon: it seems like the objection from folks on the left as it is about the group that is sponsoring the bible event, not as much as the bible issue. one of the headline says drew brees is the biggest hypocrite in sports. they say plenty of professional football players are open about their strong religious beliefs. what's unusual here is how ham-fisted brees is trying to have it both ways, refusing to
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disavow focus on the family, the group they don't like, but also claiming that "i do not support any groups that discriminate" -- if you're professionally familiar with thegroup, they haa hate group. what you make of the controversy? >> it's important for people to recognize, the greatest country in the history of mankind, and it's because of judeo-christian values we adhere to. those same values allow us to be open to all faith or no faith. here, a religious belief, a christian belief, very strong at what they believe in. at the end of the day, we also have the anti--god leftist who is against anything that the christian faith is all about. in this case, i think it'll be a big mistake on their part to go after someone that americans know. 19 years. his teammates he has played with, peers, fans, and we know
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he is a good man who loves his family, his wife, his country, and a god, and he stands for those things, and has the audacity to say he is a christian and jesus christ, that's what he does the good things he does bear the anti-god left does not like that, and they will continue to attack and bully those of us who stand strong in our beliefs. >> shannon: i want to play part of a segment from jim daly, present a focus on the family, talking about this controversy. >> and his pluralistic society and culture, we've got to get to the point where we can live together, even in disagreement. i can understand the other perspectives, i just wish they understood ours. >> shannon: do you understand the groups who are pro-lgbtq, and why they are very supportive of that, and they worry these groups will send a message to young people that equates to bullying, or is hateful in some way? do you understand their characterization of that position? >> no, what i understand is there's a tendency tendency of
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being very intolerant to a faith that is very strong. we can agree to disagree. we can agree we can still work together. i would love to see how many of the anti-god leftist groups would be with tens of thousands of christians volunteering to help these folks across the country going through tornadoes and fires, those kind of things. so we should agree that we should help each other, and also be tolerant of each other's feelings, and no americans are not going to be bullied out of our belief in god's. and the tendency has given us to live with. we have to recognize that is who we are, and if we want to work, to allow people to be who they are, which they expect for them, then i think we can make the same work out. >> shannon: that is the question, whether there will be tolerance that flows in all directions and people can feel like they are accepted, whether it is about religious beliefs or any other part of their life that they feel is under attack, so we'll see. this conversation will continue. burgess owens, great happy with
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us. >> thank you, shannon. all the best. >> shannon: you too. tonight, 2020 candidate senator elizabeth warren tweeting big plans, should she win next november appeared on day one, she will sign an executive order that puts a total moratorium on all new fossil fuel leases for drilling offshore and on public lands. and she will ban fracking -- everywhere. while the u.s. chamber of commerce sees things differently, saying since 2012 fracking has created millions of jobs with a total of 3.5 million jobs projected by 2035. unless, of course, it's banned. mayor pete buttigieg telling the breakfast club radio show that the republican party is on the wrong side of history when it comes to religion, and that social conservatives are wrong to assert that life begins at conception, or at least, the first fetal heartbeat. it appears he is suggesting late-term abortion may be acceptable under biblical guidelines. listen. >> right now, they hold everybody in line with this one,
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kind of piece of doctrine about abortion. right? which is obviously a tough issue for a lot of people of faith. again, you know, there's a lot of parts of the bible that talk about how life begins with breath. and so even that is something that we can interpret differently. >> shannon: on the other side of the aisle, republican parties in four key states support to cancel caucuses and primaries, giving a boost to president trump's renomination and hampering any primary challengers he might face. we are told south carolina, nevada, arizona, kansas expected to finalize the cancellations in meetings this weekend good night court convened next, jussie smollett's attorney say they shouldn't have to pay for police investigations, and ariana grande says, no thank you, next, to forever 21. our legal eagles argue, you are the jury, you decide. y for what you need. i wish i could shake your hand. granted.
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>> shannon: "fox news @ night" delivers the news before everybody else, so a sneak peek at the first televised interview with supreme court justice neil gorsuch. >> shannon: different to show up here, i think, as a clerk, versus walking the halls of a justice. do you feel the same? >> i feel very similar. we are just about to past know
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my past justice chambers, which is where i started. and then my chambers, right next door. byron white was my old boss here, and when i was his law clerk, he retired, and an artist came in to make this bust, and i remember very vividly the day he came in with clay mold, and the artist was so nervous, and the justice finally came in, and he grunted and said something like "my nose hasn't been that street since 1938," and he went over to it with his thumb, and he pressed his nose on the soft clay, i thought the artist was going to have a heart attack, and you can see there is still a bit of a bump. the artist may have made it better, but it was a reminder to me to keep it real. >> shannon: be sure to tune in september 8th, that is sunday, 8:00 p.m., and again at 11:00 p.m. eastern, right here in fox news were unprecedented access to supreme court justice neil gorsuch's life on and off
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the bench, including the only tv interview his wife has ever do done. ♪ time now for a night court. on the docket tonight, two celebrity cases. "empire" actor jussie smollett lawyers arguing he should not have to pay the cost of the police investigation because he didn't know how much time and money the officers would actually spend investigating. and singer ariana grande suing retail giant forever 21 for using look-alike models, close, and accessories in ads. let's bring intimate legal eagles, david bruno and former baltimore prosecutor debbie hines. good to have you both with us tonight. >> thank you. >> shannon: exhibit a and jussie smollett case. they contend the city is wrong, suing for $130,000, the cost of the investigation pay the filing of a police report in and of itself does not necessitate a sprawling investigation, nor does it come as a practical matter, usually result in an
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investigation is expecte extenss the one they chose to undertake their their fault for spending so much money. >> i cannot believe jussie smollett is arguing this point. i mean, he should pay the money. it's $130,000 for overtime, to go away and prevent this from coming out again. because this case is going to open up all of the facts again. there is a surveillance video, gps, text messages -- everything to support the fact that this is a staged, and i cannot believe, because the city is going to be victorious on this complaint. >> shannon: "chicago tribune," under the headline "b23 gets weirder," they say if he had the police report with something along with "fyi, everything aboui'mabout to tell you is made up." absent such a statement, themes police did what they were supposed to do when presented with allegations of a hate crime: investigate the allegations. debbie, how do you respond to
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exhibit b? >> the police did not do it they would normally do in every case, i can tell you as a former prosecutor. someone had said they were attacked on the streets, they did not know who they were, they had on masks, maga hats, the police would have said, okay, we're taking a complaint number, call us later for other information. they spent all that money because he was a celebrity, and the fact of the matter is, no, you don't get the money back that you spent on the investigation. just because you spent the money, he doe was not fallen for guilty of filing a false report for that will be the prerequisite for them to be able to claim any money. the case was dismissed, the charges were dropped against him. a city that has hundreds of unsolved homicides, it's the police that should be embarrassed at what happened, not jussie smollett. so yes, his attorneys are absolutely correct. >> shannon: okay, we will see how that plays out. let's get to celebrity case number two. this is exhibit b, these are the images ariana grande says look, it looks like the person is
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exactly, you know, mocking -- or trying to monopolize on my videos and my images for forever 21 to have these ads that look so much like me. her lawsuits as the resemblance is uncanny and forever 21's intent was clear, to suggest to the viewing public and that she endorsed forever 21's products and was affiliated with forever 21. how do you defend that? >> the fact that there is a lo model that just happens to look like ariana grande does not mean they were trying to say that ariana grande is endorsing the ad. that's not what they were really trying to do, and there is no way they can actually prove with the intent, the fact that some people may assume that is what the purpose of the ads were, that is clearly not the intent of what forever 21. they were in negotiations, they fell through, in the past they have licensed photographs and paid the licensing fee. there is no reason to believe they would not have done it in this case if they had felt it was necessary to do it.
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>> shannon: all right, david, forever 21 has a statement. allegations from the supporters of ariana grande that have worked over the last couple of years. it's a coincidence the ads look so much like her video. >> there's more to it, shannon, than just the resemblance vide videos. they actually used 30 unauthorized videos and pictures of her themselves. i mean, in the instagram post, they use it for commercial reasons. they have #forever21. they tag ariana grande, and the user videos. that is a problem right there. i don't know about the reason once pictures, but actually using her is a problem. >> shannon: david and debbie, thank you very much, we put the celebrity cases to our jury. be sure to tune in again, 8:00 p.m. eastern, or 11:00 p.m. eastern on sunday night for my one hour, behind-the-scenes interview with justice neil gorsuch and his wife from colorado, going inside the chambers, exclusive access. 8:00, 11:00 eastern sunday
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