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try the cooling, soothing relief of preparation h, because your derriere deserves expert care. preparation h. get comfortable with it. >> martha: so there will be winners and there will be losers in this impeachment gamble. at this point nobody knows who they will be but the president today in his press conference with ukraine president suggested that nancy pelosi may end up on the wrong end. >> people are really angry at democrats, they are really angry at the democrat party and things like -- as an example, drug prices and getting drugs down. things like gun safety, infrastructure, the democrats can't talk about that because they've been taken over by a radical group of people and nancy pelosi, as far as i'm concerned, unfortunately she is no longer the speaker of the house. >> martha: strong words from the president, so will the speaker be the champion of the movement that defeats president trump or will she be
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the face of the impeachment process that ends up hurting democrats? here is president obama's campaign manager and democratic strategist david axelrod. >> you could end up in fact invigorating the president's chances. you could end up losing many democrats in the house if people react poorly to this and you can end up with the president reelected an unbridled. >> martha: back in 1998 during the clinton impeachment, representative pelosi warned republicans that they were letting their emotions guide america into a dark place. watch this. >> today the republican majority is not judging the president with fairness, but impeaching him with a vengeance. we are here today because the republicans in the house are paralyzed with hatred of president clinton and until the republicans free themselves of this hatred, our country will suffer. >> martha: judiciary committee chairman, senator lindsey graham
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was there then and he joins us here now. tonight. when you look back at that, senator, it sounds quite familiar in the reverse. it what you make of nancy pelosi's move here? >> what i would ask her to do is allow the house to vote on whether or not there should be an impeachment inquiry. one month before the 1998 election, we had a vote in the house of representatives were 31 democrats voted with all the republicans to open an inquiry into the impeachment of president clinton. he was eventually denied law license for five years and fined by the court because of misconduct, but the one thing i do believe america deserves this for every member of the house to agree to vote as to whether or not they agree there should be an inquiry of impeachment based on this transcript. >> martha: obviously if you're going to make this kind of charge, it would be helpful if they were willing -- >> if i could just add this. i don't think she has the power to say we are going to open an impeachment inquiry by herself.
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i think every member of the house should do what we did in 1998, vote. i can tell you joe cunningham, who seems like a fine fellow, is represented in the congressional district in south carolina, the charleston area along the coast and i think you should be required to vote as to whether or not he believes the president has committed an impeachable offense. >> martha: but in terms of nancy pelosi, the president said that he doesn't think she's the speaker of the house anymore. he's suggesting that she's not in power, that she doesn't have the ability to control her caucus, that she's been overrun by this momentum this emotion, which he pointed out back in 1998 was happening, on she believes the republican side. >> i think it's true here that they wanted to impeach trump the day he got elected. there's been a lot of people in the democratic party who hate his guts and are just after him every minute, 24 hours a day, but she is kind of how those people at bay. here's what disappoints me so much. she's talking about articles of
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impeachment based on a phone call the transcript which he had not read. she had made up her mind because she's lost control. a whistle-blower complaint is hearsay here. the whistle-blower was not on the phone call. they heard about the phone call from somebody else and i want to know who informed the whistle-blower about the phone call, but the fact that nancy pelosi would argue for impeachment before she read the transcript tells me that she has lost control. >> martha: is interesting, because you say there were 30 some democrats -- >> 31. >> martha: 31 who voted with republicans for that impeachment move, the articles of impeachment and now some of your colleagues are saying that they believe there's that number of republicans in the senate who would do the same thing now. mitt romney spoke out about that he said it remains troubling in the extreme, it's deeply troubling about the transcripts, he told reporters on wednesday when he was asked about it. here's mike murphy. he says that if there were a
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secret vote, 30 g.o.p. senators would vote to impeach. watch this. >> one republican senator told me if it was a secret vote, 30 republican senators would vote to impeach trump. >> martha: ben sasse also speaking out just to put this together. republicans ought not to be circling the wagons to say there is no there there when there's office the life that's troubling. your thoughts? >> i like the senator a lot, but here's what i would say to anybody. this phone call was billed as an attempt by the president of the united states to shake ukraine down, to threaten to withhold military aid and assistance to the ukraine unless the president of the ukraine opened an investigation against his political opponent. if you read this transcript, that's the furthest thing from the truth. this is ridiculous. i read the phone call transcrip transcript. the president of the united states congratulated the ukrainian president on his won, said we've been very generous to the ukraine. germany and other people ought to pay more. that's one of the reasons we are
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withholding aid and he did say, corruption is a problem in your country. they fired this prosecutor, i heard he was a pretty good job at one of the reason he fired was because joe biden called for them to be fired and his son was sitting on the board of a company being investigated by the prosecutor. that timmy is is not a quid pro quo. there's nothing wrong with pointing out a conflict. joe biden threatened to cut off aid to the ukraine unless they fired a prosecutor who was looking cases involving a company's son was receiving $50,000 a month -- the point i'm trying to make here is there is no "there" there. you can be troubled all of you would like but if this is an impeachable offense, this phone call, god help the next person to be president of the united states. >> martha: just to be specific, with the president said in a call as biden stopped the prosecution and a lot of people want to find out about that, so whatever you can do with the attorney general would be great. biden went around bragging that
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he had stopped the prosecution, so if you can look into it, it sounds horrible to me. that does not trouble you? given the fact that -- very likely run against joe biden in a presidential election. >> it troubles me that joe biden, the vice president of the united states, threatened to cut off aid to the ukraine without disclosing a conflict. there was a letter sent by democratic senators in may 2018 threatening the ukraine to cut off aid if they did not investigate trump. you're going to hear a lot more about this conflict. a quid pro quo is if you do not do what i want, i'm going to punish you. read this transcript. no rational person would conclude that the president of the united states was threatening to cut off aid to the ukraine unless they did something against joe biden and his son. the truth of the matter is there was a conflict regarding the firing of the prosecutor and if it had been a republican who had done this, it would be front page news -- >> martha: what are you going to do about that? i know ron johnson -- are you going to open an investigation
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into joe biden and his son's international business activities? >> i like joe biden, he's a good friend of mine, i really honestly do like him, but somebody has to look at this conflict and i would like somebody outside of politics. i don't want to turn the senate into the circus with the house has become. remember when we were told that trump was colluding with the russians, schiff had him dead to rights. i can't believe they would talk about impeaching this president based on the transcript of this phone call. there is no "there" there. >> martha: what he meant someone on the outside to investigate? you want an independent investigator? independent prosecutor? what you talking about? >> i want somebody to look at whether or not there was a conflict of interest involved in joe biden asking for the ukraine and prosecutor to be fired. i want somebody to look at whether or not the 1.5 billion given to the hunter biden private equity account from china was on the up and up.
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>> martha: i got you, i'm just asking who you think that somebody should be. your committee, for example, should it be in the government? >> i don't want to turn my committee into a zoo like the house. i think these are serious problems -- i'm not accusing anybody of wrongdoing. i'm accusing the system of losing its way here. somebody needs to look at these allegations. trump has been looked at every way you can be looked at. he's been looked at for years by mueller. somebody needs to look at the conflict of interest here and at the end of the day, if you believe this is an impeachable offense or troubling, do something about it, to my house colleagues. you owe it to american people to vote as to whether or not you believe this is an impeachable offense. >> martha: we are going to speak to some of them right now and the other side of the aisle. senator, thank you very much, great to see you tonight, senator lindsey graham, chairman of the judiciary committee. let's bring in freshman house democrats and veterans who wrote this op-ed on monday explaining why they now favor and impeachment inquiry.
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congresswoman chrissy houlihan and gil cisneros join me now. thank you for being here. representative houlihan, let me start with you, what was your reaction when you read the actual transcript, and do you have any regrets about going forward with your decision in your editorial that you felt this is impeachable before you had actually seen it to >> actually would encourage every american to read the released notes on the conversation, because it's very short, only about three and a half pages, which represents a 20 minute conversation and what it would say is our editorial that we put together as a team of seven people who have served in the military and otherwise before, we didn't call for impeachment, we called for looking into this and finding out the truth, and i'm grateful that we have the very first step of that with the release of these notes from this conversation and i really would encourage every person to read it. it's not 400 something pages long. >> martha: it's an easy read.
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in detail, read it several times this morning and would recommend that everybody do that and make up their own mind. congressman cisneros, we just heard registered senator graham, he says take a vote, that's the way it happened in the past, that's the way it should happen now. to open this inquiry officially. >> like chrissy just said, in our op-ed, we encourage everybody that we needed to start investigations to get to the bottom of this and that was really what we said needed to be done. that's really what the speaker is about doing. this can hopefully be put in the hands of the intelligence committee. they will investigate and they will get to the bottom of this to find out what was the president did, how he enticed a foreign government to get involved in our elections by withholding funds and asking him to investigate one of his potential presidents in the upcoming presidential election. >> martha: the abodes to begin the official inquiry if you were to take a vote right now? >> right now it's not about
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starting an inquiry, about getting to the bottom of this. >> martha: nancy pelosi said yesterday were opening an official inquiry, was her words. i think a lot of people want to know, congressman houlihan, why not vote on it if there is such a strong feeling about this? >> so i think it's important for people to understand and senator graham is sort of model the conversation. there's a difference between an impeachment investigation and articles of impeachment and i am happy, would welcome the opportunity when and if that grave situation comes up and i would not look forward to that to take a vote, a personal vote on the floor of articles of impeachment, but first we need to understand what, if anything, happened and i think that we take our oath of office very, very seriously as members of service and congresspeople. this is a great, great information that, if true, we really need to get to the bottom of. >> martha: this is tulsi gabbard today on television, one of your colleagues, also a presidential candidate. here's what she said. >> when you step outside of the bubble here in washington and
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you get to where most folks in the country are, look, i'm not a lawyer but i think most people reading through that transcript are not going to find that extremely compelling because to throw out a president that won and election in 2016. >> martha: she sang when you get out there, and she goes on to criticize the president very dramatically after that, which she of course has done before, but she sang this is not going to resonate with the american people when they actually read this. congressman cisneros? >> first of all this isn't a transcript, it's a summary of the conversation the president had with the president of ukraine and it summarized. it we don't know what was left out of this conversation. we don't know -- you're right there when you read the memorandum, there's fine print in there saying that this is not transcript, this is just a summary of the conversation. this is why we are holding hearings, this is why the intelligence committee is going to look into this, so we can get
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to the bottom of this. the things that we do know is that the president withheld funds from an ally that is involved in combat against one of our adversaries, that being russia, and he asked them to do a favor for him and look into his potential political candidate in the upcoming general -- presidential general election. >> martha: your drawing a quid pro quo that it would be part of the investigation to figure out whether or not that was there in the department of justice looked at it and said that it did not rise to the level of quid pro quo. that's part of the investigation i would assume. it's not a done deal. >> right. that's not up to the department of justice. the law says that when sunday comes -- the whistle-blower reported this. it went to the inspector general. the inspector general thought it was involved enough that he needed to raise the level of this whistle-blower in that information needs to be turned over to the congress, and right now the administration -- >> martha: i think it has been tonight. the whistle-blower's complaint is viewed now by the intelligence committee this
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evening and we expect that it will come out, so we will see that when it is forthcoming. great to have both of you with us tonight, members of congress houlihan and cisneros, thank you very much for being here. >> thank you for being there. >> martha: here now with more tonight, doug collins, top republican on the house judiciary committee, good to have you with us tonight congressman collins. your thoughts on all of this today having listened to this so far? >> i think the last 3 minutes summed it all up, they really don't know what they're doing. this is the problem we're having. you made it very clear -- the speaker came out and said she starting an impeachment inquiry. if senator graham that back with the clinton and the nixon task. an inquiry actually requires a vote. what they're trying to avoid here is actually going on the record. investigation -- how many more investigations do we need to do? have they not looked at the judiciary committee for the last nine months? this is all we are doing. they're trying to vote on inquiry but there's also another reason, if they actually went to an inquiry, then all of a sudden there's due process rights. this actually process for the
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president and is, there's actually equal subpoena powers in the previous inquiries for both the democrats and the republicans. it becomes a fair hearing. they don't want a fair hearing. they want the hearings for, they want to put their only ex parte one side and hearings. that's why they don't want to go for the inquiry and they also don't want to put themselves in the record is actually doing that. >> martha: what is your sense sort of after-the-fact? they called for this official impeachment inquiry, very dramatic moment. nancy pelosi comes out, stares into the camera, says this is it, it's beginning, and as you point out and as we discussed, there's no vote that appears to be forthcoming. is there any sense that having seen now that they have jumped the gun -- any of your colleagues on the other side, what feedback are you getting? >> i think it's been muted and i think what you just saw in your own interview is there's this roundabout let's discuss it, let's have an investigation. the president has provided at
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all. what nancy pelosi did yesterday was a disservice to the house. what she did yesterday hurt the institution not only of the house, but also of our nation when she went ahead with an attack of impeachment. knowing that what she was asking for was already being done. i think there's democrats that are concerned that they are ahead of their skis a little bit on this. what are we actually doing her? none of these, especially for -- actually came to congress on different agendas. tulsi gabbard has it right. when you look at this transcript, when you talk about with actually being done, this is something that i think the appeasement of her base, the speaker's face is all we are seeing here. other members driving the conversation but let's be specific, this is not about that. >> martha: there's no doubt that would be very difficult vote for twentysomething members of the house on the democrat side who were elected in districts that elected president trump to take that
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impeachment vote. they, i'm sure, are reluctant to take that vote. if they know that it would be difficult for them, so it becomes sort of justice exercise that keeps this going and going if they're not going to put their money where their mouth is and actually stand up for what they say. what they say is an egregious violation of the president meddling with a foreign country. they either think that or they don't think that very >> exactly, if this was egregious they would have us on the floor. miss pelosi is probably -- back in the 90s when she talked about this, she accused republicans of going forth on the motion. there cannot be anything more pure than a motion driven for someone who goes back to 2016 on the night of the election because hillary clinton was not president and all we have seen is just a debasing of the house, rules being not followed. nothing going right because all they want to do is investigate. i think honestly and what they want to do but could not answer the question that you asked them because they try to skip the
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words of impeachment and inquiry and investigations. we've been doing that. it showed clearly. >> martha: a transcript as outcome, the words are here. either they think that it is a violation or it's not a violation, that's impeachable. they will have to figure that out as they go forward. congressman collins, thank you very much. >> is good to be with you. >> martha: one of the outcomes of the impeachment pushes there are no calls to investigate joe biden and his son's international business dealings. this is absolutely going to become a big part of this story now. governor huckabee and robertson were men are here up next to talk about it. >> one biden's son walks away with millions of dollars in ukraine, their he does nothingd they are paying him millions of dollars, that's corruption. ♪ ♪ (dramatic orchestra) performance comes in lots of flavors.
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>> i want somebody to look at whether or not there was a conflict of interest involved in joe biden asking for the ukrainian prosecutor to be fired. i want somebody to look at whether or not the 1.5 billion given to the hunter biden private equity account from china was on the up and up. >> martha: senator lindsey graham just moments ago. republicans are talking about opening an investigation into joe biden and his family for stress international business dealings. "the new york times" reports the democratic front runner has been on it "ferocious offensive" in public, but behind scenes that has been "in reaching and uncertain time for biden, the campaign, and for mr. biden himself." here now, mike huckabee, fox news contributor, and robert zimmerman, democratic strategist and dnc member. robert, let me start with you, is this, bring it on for joe biden, or is it behind the scenes a little bit of concern that no matter what is this conversation continues, it's
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going to turn time and time again to these business dealings in china, which we haven't even heard that much about yet, and ukraine, is this good for the campaign? >> the reality is that the republican message that's coming out, chris -- frankly i need drama mean go without spin. if they're going to gossip about hunter biden. as you saw from lindsey graham, they're going to make up facts about him. they're going to make up false rumors about him. they want to talk about hunter biden. donald trump is our president. according to the memorandum the white house released today, was on the phone with a foreign government, the president of ukraine, and asking him to do him a favor and interfere in our american election and try to dig up dirt on his political opponents. they are going to talk about hunter biden, we are going to talk about the independent special -- the independent special counsel that in fact got the whistle-blower support, a trump appointee, no less, and came out and said this is urgent and threatens national security.
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there are substantive issues here about the president abusing his power, about once again welcoming foreign government, attacking our democracy, and undermining our american electoral system for his own benefits. that's what is going to be the result of the election. >> martha: there's no doubt there will be a lot of digging into these business dealings. it goes with the territory here, governor huckabee, but as you hear from robert zimmerman, he thinks it's going to be not great for both sides. >> i'm sure nobody is to enjoy this. i will say it's too bad the mas are over, robert, we would give you in any for the performance, you are very convincing. but here's the fact that you got a look at. donald trump released the transcript, why? because there was nothing that he had to worry about. he didn't put any pressure, there was no quid pro quo. now we see the democrats in congress aren't congresspeople, they are clairvoyance, because they already, in advance of the release of the transcript, decided what was in it. that was amazing and this is the same group of people, including
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adam schiff who said we've got the evidence on russia. it turned out he didn't. today he came out and said it's worse than i ever thought. i laughed out loud. i was in the car lift and stomach listening to that. i laughed out loud and i said as we are sitting here today, we are talking and there are people having dinner all across america. martha, i assure you that only the people who hate donald trump are in a froth over this. >> the governor hogan of the constitution. spector constitutional process want to see the facts come forward and they were to ask the questions, the transcript of the memorandum the president but are revealed. he's holding a $400 million from ukraine they're trying to defend themselves from russia. holding up military assistance and he's asking them to do him a favor. they're asking him to help them politically. if you ever watch an episode of "the sopranos," you would know what a shakedown is. this is nothing more than an old-fashioned shakedown and a gross abuse of presidential power. >> martha: the quid pro quo is
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what a lot of people think when i look at this, is actually not there. we listen to the president of ukraine to say he didn't feel like this was a shakedown. just telling them that's what he said. >> he needs the united states to defend him. clearly the money was being held up until the democrats started inquiring about it, that it was released. you do the math on that one. >> martha: also in the transcript, expanding in great detail before any of us came out that he's really not happy with the fact that other european countries are not doing their part, which is why he says he was holding back the money, because he wanted them all to rally on the president of ukraine said so do i. i think that's a big problem too. that corroborates what he said about his reasoning for not putting out that money. >> given three different explanations as to why -- first he denied ever it happening, --
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first he denied it, then he said he wouldn't comment on it. rudy giuliani lied about whether he asked the ukrainian government to infect investigate joe biden's son, so lots of ex-clinicians they put forward -- >> martha: i want to get back to the governor, but the governor may be right about the fact that most people around the table are not paying a whole lot of attention to this tonight. maybe that's true, maybe it isn't buried in the polls show that people do not want the president impeached, governor huckabee. >> robert has got the talking points down but let's just be real clear, if the democrats want to impeach donald trump, i say go for it. get out there and go for it. if you think it's a constitutional crisis, and you just said you did, then you have every obligation to go impeach them, so quit talking about it and do it. just go for it and see how the american people respond to the democrats not doing anything about border security, not doing anything about taxpayer-funded late-term abortion, not doing anything about taxes and regulations, and instead going after donald trump to impeach him. good luck with that. i say go for it, you've got a
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constitutional crisis, you're convinced you do, so pull the rope, start the motor, let's make it happen, and see what happens a year and two months from now. >> governor, the democrats in the house have passed over 400 pieces of legislation, the republican senate has only looked at 50 of them. we've done our homework. if >> martha: would you insist that this both be taken in the house? >> absolutely not. with the first get our facts, first have hearings. >> martha: wait a minute, yesterday nancy pelosi stood in front of a camera wide-eyed and said today is the day, it is official, we are now opening this inquiry. >> absolutely. >> martha: typically as we've seen a pass, that that means that everybody is ready to vote on a procedure beginning for the investigation. >> you can't vote articles of impeachment we have a congressional hearing. >> come investigative work, which governor huckabee doesn't want to get near, after the investigation, then you have -- >> martha: you know they don't
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want to vote on this. >> that's what we are going to have investigations. stand up for our constitutional problems. >> martha: months and months and months. >> it's all about the constitution. >> martha: thank you very much, always a pleasure, governor huckabee, always a pleasure. with joe biden fielding attacks on his family's business dealings, is the trump campaign worried about warren waiting in the wings as she rises in the polls? 2020 campaign advisor lara trump coming up next. ♪ i get it all the time. "have you lost weight?" of course i have- ever since i started renting from national. because national lets me lose the wait at the counter... ...and choose any car in the aisle. and i don't wait when i return, thanks to drop & go. at national, i can lose the wait...and keep it off. looking good, patrick. i know. (vo) go national. go like a pro.
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♪ >> martha: iranian president hassan rouhani closing the door in negotiations with states, accusing the u.s. of economic terrorism and issuing a chilling warning to foreign adversaries who dare interfere in his
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country. >> i hail from a country that has resisted the most merciless economic terrorism and will never negotiate with an enemy that seeks to make iran surrender with a weapon of property, pressure, and sanctions. we shall not tolerate provocative intervention of foreigners. we shall respond decisively and strongly to any sort of transgression. >> martha: training, u.s. ambassador. he has made it very clear he wants of her body out of this region. >> this is a guy who is saying that israel supports isis. i'm not sure that we can really -- >> martha: he said that in his interview with chris wallace. >> we can't really take them seriously. they are on twitter, there on social media, but the people of iran are not. and it's crazy to me that we are
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allowing them to have this platform. i've actually written doj and said you've got to really look at this because we consistently have people like the foreign minister, who is out there pushing messages on social media, un-american platforms, and get his own people are not allowed to be on those platforms. that hypocrisy, to me, it is too much, especially when we have sanctions on the country. >> martha: with regard to the deal, the jcpoa, it looks to me like president trump is not put himself squarely in the center of a possible renegotiation of that deal with these intense sanctions. >> through diplomacy. through diplomacy. and this is a huge win for the president and for secretary pompeo. they have painstakingly over the last year pushed the europeans on every level to say look at the facts and remind them that we actually share the same goal.
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look at the european statements, whether it's when they pulled out of the jcpoa or even now, they always say we share the same goal with the americans. we want to deny iran a nuclear weapon. we just have a different tactic, so what we've been able to do through diplomacy is proof to the europeans that there tactic is working to reach us to the goal, so this is a big win that people are talking about. >> martha: there are a lot of iranians were glad we are putting the sanction squeeze on his leadership because they're not giving them any room to breathe and you've been trying to work on trying to get these german companies to leave iran, to put their money where their mouth is on this issue, how is that going? >> we have a u.s. policy that is sanctions on iran and all i'm trying to do is articulate to european businesses and german businesses that they have a choice. they can either do business with united states, or they can do business with iran, but you can't do both. >> martha: quickly on the ukraine, john kerry sort of popped his head up on us today and said the investigation will flush more rats from the sewers, rudy!
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but don't get lost in the weeds of quid pro quo. the president abused his power to bowling alley into becoming his campaign opposition research arm. if it wasn't already a constitutional crisis, it is now. if you were in ukraine last wee week. >> to announce the first corporate sponsor for the decriminalization of homosexuality, the campaign that president trump talked about at the u.n. it was to be very clear for why i was there. by the way, nobody covered that. nobody talked about it in the media. i don't think we even had one publication talk about how important that step was thanks to president trump's commitment on this issue. >> martha: that's exactly what i wanted to ask you in my last question, had they been concrete steps, because we heard the president bring this issue up at the end of his address and you feel that there are concrete steps? >> absolutely, we are making a lot of progress. i will say that we just found out that beirut pride in lebanon has canceled its opening concert because the government of
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lebanon could not guarantee the safety of people going to the concert, so i think we've got more work to do. it we've got to try to do everything that we can. 71 countries criminalize homosexuality. six countries will kill you for it. that's unacceptable. it is against the u.n. declaration of human rights. i don't think you can be a member of the u.n. in good standing if you're not upholding the u.n. declaration of human rights. >> martha: it would be great to hear more outcry from people in the united states about this issue who are aggrieved at much smaller things -- not that you're not allowed to be agreed, but this is a very serious international issue. thank you for bringing it to our attention today. ambassador to germany, good to see you. we are getting fresh reactions might end from intelligence committee members who have not reviewed the whistle-blower complaint that everybody wanted to get their hands on and see. what's in there? breaking details on that next. ♪ nt customer service, every time. our 18 year old was in an accident.
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>> martha: brandon tonight a short time ago the director of national intelligence, the office of dni that you've heard so much about over the past couple of days, has not deliver that whistle-blower's complaint at the center of all of this against president trump and tonight that document has been reviewed by members of congress who serve on our intelligence committees. correspondent gillian turner has been working her sources in washington and she joins us now with the details. hi, what did you find out? >> the house and senate intel committees are both looking at copies of the complaint and they began reviewing the document in separate closed door sessions about 4:30 and they are now starting to weigh in with their reaction. senator schumer tells fox news, "having read the documents in there, i'm even more worried about what happened than it was when i read the memorandum of the conversation. there are so many facts that have to be examined, it's very troubling." he also says it should be released to the public immediately. senator warner, vice chair of the intel committee, says "i'm
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still processing this." it will make all the more important to get some questions cleared up tomorrow. president trump meanwhile insists the white house was always going to release this complaint to congress as the administration is required to do by law. >> i've spoken with leader kevin mccarthy and the republicans, many of them, and we were going to do this anyway, but i informed them, all of the house members, that i fully support transparency on the so-called whistle-blower information, even though it was supposedly secondhand information. >> sources explain the reason whistle-blower complaints are often held close to the vest is to protect the identity of the person let's filing them. as of this hour, we know whatever is in my complaint was enough to compel the inspector general of the intel community to determine that it
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was urgent. we don't know, martha, a whole lot about the whistle-blower themselves, but insiders say it's likely they work in intelligence and they weren't a first-hand source, meaning they didn't actually hear that phone call between presidents trump and president zelensky of ukraine. >> martha: on the hill tomorrow in this committee is about that with all of them, we don't know if any of that will be open. it isn't generally, but we will see what happens there, thank you very much. >> you bet. >> martha: 2020 campaign senior advisor lara trump response to critics who claim the present was wrong to offer justice department helped to investigate joe biden. she's here next. ♪ hmm. exactly. liberty mutual customizes your car insurance, so you only pay for what you need. nice. but, uh... what's up with your... partner? not again. limu that's your reflection. only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty, liberty, liberty, liberty ♪ walking a dog can add thousands walking this many?day. that can be rough on pam's feet,
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♪ >> this is not a matter of politics, this is a matter of constitutional responsibility. nobody is above the law, not even the president of the united states. if congress does not hold this man accountable, then he will break the law again and again and again, it is time for impeachment now. >> martha: elizabeth warren a short time ago at a town hall in new hampshire. a new national poll puts her with a slight lead now over joe biden and there are new reports tonight that trump insiders are worried about her
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slow and steady rise. joining me now, lara trump, senior advisor to the trump 2020 campaign. are you one of them, are you worried about elizabeth warren? >> we are not worried about elizabeth warren. i told you many times -- >> martha: i know you're not anybody, but as she starts to rise and one of the g.o.p. consultants was quoted as saying she's had a populist streak to match trump and i think it would make her tougher to beat and a lot of people realize. >> i said always that we were never worried about joe biden. you see that he is sort of slipping behind, for many reasons i think, in the polls. the thing with elizabeth moore and they have to keep in mind if she is very far left. i think a lot of folks who may have considered voting for someone like joe biden are going to be very turned off by ideas like universal health care, which would essentially force 200 million americans off of private health insurance. you look at the fact that she wants open borders, health care for immigrants, champion's ideas that are so far left and really so far out of touch with so many things that people in this country agree with, i don't know
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that many people could stand to vote for her. >> martha: with regard to joe biden, what is the campaign's aggressiveness level on this issues of ukraine and china? is rudy giuliani going to be the face of that? because he has had there's videos coming out on china. see going to be the person we see digging into joe biden's past? >> as far as rudy giuliani is concerned, that's between mr. giuliani and the president. at the campaign, we are still focused on why people are going to reelect donald trump. it's because their life is so much better now. our focus has always been on the results that this president has produced. it has nothing to do with ukraine, although it doesn't look very good for joe biden and his son, what we have seen possibly happen there, but that's not a focus of ours. we are still focused on making sure that the american people are reminded why they need for more years of donald trump. because he's been so great for this country. >> martha: let me ask you about this ukraine issue because i'm sure the campaign emma and i would imagine at the white house, when the mueller thing was over, it was like
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okay, that's done, two and a half years of that. right? so then, the next day the president is on the phone with the president of ukraine and he says this. "so whatever you can do with the attorney general would be great. it biden went around bragging that he stopped the prosecution so if you can look into it, it sounds horrible to me." why would the president, given what he had just gotten through, ever bring up his potential political rival in 2020 on a phone call with a foreign leade leader? >> well nothing he said was illegal, nothing he said was wrong and obviously he is very happy to share the transcript of this call with the american people, because nothing he says -- >> martha: but why would he have the opposition this big piece of juicy steak that they are going to chew on for months and months? white -- i just think a lot of people look at that and say why on earth with the president bring that up in this phone call, why give your opposition
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that material? >> you see now what has happen. you see that even before seeing what was in that phone call, the democrats pounced on this and called for impeachment inquiries. listen, i think that that looks really bad for the democrats. the majority of americans do not want impeachment of any president, so maybe it's to their demise. it may be he is smarter than all of us, martha, maybe he thought one day somebody would try to say that he did the wrong thing. i don't know. nothing he did was wrong and out of the bottom line here and people can try and spin it anyway they want, and of the democrats are having a field day with it, but at the end of the day, they have not back themselves into a corner trying to say that this is why they should impeach this president. they've been trying to impeach him since day one because they are still not over the fact that donald trump won in 2020. >> martha: i've got to leave it there, thank you very much, good to see you tonight. more of "the story" coming up next after this. oh delicious. or delicious...
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>> martha: more than 20 students graduated from the fire academy this tuesday. it is the largest group of legacy graduates, ever, and we thank them for their service to this great city of new york. thank you, guys. that's "the story." we will see you tomorrow. ♪ ♪ >> tucker: good evening and welcome to "tucker carlson tonight." one of the most bewilderrerring moments how quickly moves. the "new york times" hit piece on brett kavanaugh. brand new accusation of sexual misconduct but then later had to admit that it was all a sham. when did that happen? feels like a year ago. actually, no, it was just last week. that is the trump era news cycle four. scandals that used to go on for months now seem to end in hours. nothing illustrates that better than this bizarre ukraine story that we are all living through. a week ago no one even heard of it. last night we are on the


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