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to impeach congressional members for abuse of power and failure to act in the best interest of the u.s.? i'm sure this came in before tonight's "angle." good to see our reviewers are in alignment with me. that's all we have tonight. shannon bream and the "fox news @ night" team will take all of the new news from here. shannon, you are locked and loaded, ready to go. have a great show tonight. >> shannon: we are taking over new york city, laura, laura. >> laura: i know. we're going to have fun all week here. >> shannon: laura, thank you so much. we begin to met with a news alert. president trump rallying in a key battleground state, hours after house democrats unveiled a two articles of impeachment. as polls show, impeachment push is falling apart and states president needs to hold onto for reelection. highlights from tonight's rally, he was on fire, coming up. also tonight, starting words from the attorney general, not backing down at all from his assessment that the trump campaign was spied on, u.s. attorney d john durham's
investigation, bigger in scope, as is his authority to get testimony. trump campaign associate at the center of it all, carter page, is here live. and whiplash in washington, house democrats also giving president trump a huge political victory today. the big breakthrough on the usmca trade deal. when will congress pass it? the fight on that begins later. hello and welcome to "fox news @ night," i'm shannon bream in new york. gillian turner kicks us off with the latest from president trump and the attorney general, doj inspector general michael horowitz had to take the hot seat and testify publicly in the senate and just hours. good evening. >> good evening, shannon pick a big day tomorrow, but tonight, president trump going all in on his claim that the obama administration spied on his campaign, bolstered by evidence of the inspector general's report. he says incriminate his predecessor. now the gloves are off. >> the fbi also said multiple undercover human spies to
surveil and record people associated with our campaign. look at how they have heard people. their lives have been destroyed by scum. >> the president also getting a major boost from his attorney general bill barr today, weighing in with a scathing assessment of the obama administration's fbi. barr made no bones about hiding his belief the bureau's 2016 206 investigation into the trump campaign was bogus. >> i think our nation was turned on its head for three years. based on a completely bogus narrative that was largely fanned and typed by a year responsible press. >> barr also accused the bureau of abusing the highly sensitive fisa warrant process. >> the greatest danger to our free system is that the incumbent government use the apparatus of the state, principally the law enforcement agencies and the intelligence
agency, both to spy on political opponents, but also to use them in a way that could affect the outcome of the election. >> the inspector general reports 17 instances of major errors or omissions in the fbi's fisa warrant application that was on president trump's former aide, carter page. it also said we did not find testimonial evidence that political bias or improper motivation influence the fbi's decision to seek fisa authority on carter page. but attorney general barr says today, he's not buying it. >> all he said his people gave me an explanation, and i didn't find anything to contradict it, so i don't have a basis for saying that there was improper motive. but he hasn't decided the issue of improper motive. >> have you? >> ? >> no. >> now the next move is u.s. attorney john durham contact by
barr with investigating the origins of the russia probe, and empowered to drop criminal charges against suspects. tomorrow come inspector general michael horowitz gets a chance to defend his 434 page report and his findings over on capitol hill, where he will testify, shannon, in front of the senate judiciary committee, and really, the entire nation. shannon? >> shannon: will be watching. jillian, thank you. michael horowitz set to face bipartisan grilling and just hours, testifying before the senate on his 400 plus page report, detailing 17 significant errors in the fbi's fisa surveillance application. of former trump campaign associate carter page figure he's with us live. >> great to be with you shannon. >> shannon: legal analyst, former attorney on another network. busbar, fbi officials are 95% vindicated by this. carter page is 30% vindicated, and trump is not vindicated one iota.
papadopoulos and negative ten, applying imprope obviously highy scientific vindication metrics >> if the government has a system of records about you, you should be able to review it and comment. i was never given that opportunity. a lot of those people that she is close with or given -- her fellow analysts, those other networks. it's unfortunate. >> shannon: the more that i read, it was so interesting to me that there was essentially, in many cases, what people would argue exculpatory information regarding you that was not included. if i'm a fisa judge, i'm curious i was given this information and awarded a warrant based on what was presented in front of me. with all of that outlined, this is the reaction from the former fbi director james comey, wrote an opinion piece. the truth finally outcome of the
carter page, former trump campaign advisor, a long relationship with russia and a history of contacts with russian intelligence. he went on to say the inspector general found 17 mistakes, things the fbi should have done differently or better. that's always unfortunate, but human beings make mistakes. doesn't sound like much of an apology. is that what you are hoping for from him? >> again, this is just the tip of the iceberg. there is so much in here, so much more. congressman nunes was on earlier, and he said every page has a bombshell. well, i agree with him, but all of those bombshells, you know, i see so much more beyond that. having actually lived this. it's unfortunate i had no input on this whatsoever, and it's all just an internal, hr-style document. i think we are just at the tip -- the tip of the iceberg here. >> shannon: what are your hopes moving forward? we wait for u.s. attorney john durham, who has completely different powers when it comes to forcing people to testify,
subpoenaed documents, all of these things that horowitz really couldn't do. are you getting your hopes up about that one? >> well, getting my hopes up, it's been such an outpouring of support on a nationwide, for people of both parties. i think they realize this was just based on nothing. i think there is no facts. it's just a made up story. i think there is a lot that needs to be done to fix our justice system, which had these severe irregularities, and i think things that happened to me -- you know, this could happen to anyone. we talked about bias. and let me tell you, there were definitely some severe biases. again, based on his portrayal of russia, right? i have a certain perspective on foreign policy in russia. there may not have been domestic political bias, but people come under the first amendment, are allowed to have their own opinion. i think, very similar to
president trump, who also has talked about exploring certain new possibilities on that front. >> shannon: any american, regardless of ideology or party, should be worried the government could have someone manipulating information a in order to get surveillance on them. i want to talk about this, a tweet yesterday, when does carter page drop a fully justified lawsuit against the fbi? all of the crop hacked to ruin his name and nearly destroyed his life because of their hatred for donald trump? i would help pay lawyers fees, who is with me? what are the plans? >> there is a very strong team -- i don't have an announcement yet, but suffice to say -- >> shannon: that's exhibit a. we will wait for exhibit b in the durham report. carter page, good to see you. >> thanks. >> shannon: congressional districts president trump won, floating the idea of censuring rather than impeaching president trump. further to the left, progressive is lamenting the democratic leadership didn't pile on more
articles of impeachment. >> abuse of power is, you know, it's a little fuzzy, sort of nebulous. but look, if this is a matter of strategy, i'm totally supportive of the chairman and the speaker, this is the way they want to go. >> they are impeaching me, and there are no crimes. this has to be a first in history. they are impeaching me. you know why? because they want to win election. >> shannon: chief breaking news correspondent trace gallagher is on the case for us. good evening, trace. >> with two articles of impeachment, some candidates in district president of won in 2016 are getting cold feet and are floating the idea of censure instead
of impeachment. that list includes new jersey congressman josh got high merrick, new york congressman anthony brindisi, utah representative ben mcadams, and oregon rep kurt schrader, who said, quoting here, "i think it is certainly appropriate and might be a little more bipartisan, who knows." the idea, of course, is to offer
an option that might attract at least some republican support. but for now, the centrist democrats are well short of the roughly 18 votes needed to block impeachment. more importantly, their suggestion has zero support from house speaker nancy pelosi. watch. >> why not censure, at this point? is that still alive? >> it's not alive, never had a life. >> and as we know, the house -- >> is that direct enough for you? >> it's great. >> but former democratic senator sam nunn wasn't laughing one bit, telling fox news chris wallace that censure might be the appropriate punishment. >> it seems to me that kind of behavior, at least, has to be condemned, but i think censure ought to be looked at very carefully
by everybody. may be the fact all parties are against it means it is the right way to go. >> while some moderates are trying to rein things in, the far left says too much is being left out of the articles. for example, the progressive group credo action says that president should also be
impeached for bigotry, corruption, inciting violence, and promoting hatred. then there are those, literally caught in the middle, namely regina congresswoman abigail spann berger, who was a reluctant supporter of the impeachment inquiry and last night found herself in a town hall replete with angry trump opponents and supporters. and as she tried to ask plane her position, she was drowned out by some screaming that he has been proven guilty, other screaming b.s. and lies. cut the congresswoman's representative scalded an example of engaging in important conversations. shannon? >> shannon: going to have more of those around the country, have a feeling. trace gallagher, always great to see you. within one hour on capitol hill today, house democrats unveiled up articles of impeachment and gave president trump a political victory on the new nafta. the president tilting the breakthrough tonight, saying congress will very soon be voting on the usmca. correspondent leland vittert has
the details. >> we'll get to the timing in a minute. what happened this morning. at 9:00 a.m., democrats in the house unveiled articles of impeachment. at 10:00 a.m., their leader, nancy pelosi, notes is a major bipartisan compromise of president trump, allowing him to fulfill his campaign promise of rewriting the north american free-trade agreement. confused? local, so are a lot of democrats. >> this is a day we have all been working to. it is better than what was initially proposed by the administration. >> pelosi says it was worth holding out for 13 months to get concessions on enforcement for workers rights, environmental protections, and stripping out intellectual property protections for prescription drugs. the white house and republicans say pelosi simply held up the nafta replacement as a political distraction. >> if you need any more evidence of how unpopular impeachment is, watch the two press conferences today. speak of agreement gives 30 when democrats are present in
congressional districts won by president trump the ability to say impeachment hasn't distracted them from the important issues. it makes no sense to dan pfeiffer, the former senior advisor to president obama, who tweeted, i have been semi retired from politics for a while now, but it seems like things that help us before win wisconsin, pennsylvania, and michigan should not be on the democratic to-do list. usmca updates the north american free trade agreement between the united states, canada, and mexico, and is designed to bring manufacturing back to the united states. for example, it requires 40% to 45% of cars to be made in countries that pay autoworkers at least $16 an hour. that is in the united states and canada, not in mexico. >> congress will soon vote on minute radio, the u.s.-mexico-canada agreement, or usmca. we've been waiting for a long time for nancy pelosi to
announce usmca. [boos] and she did it on the same day that they announced that they are going to impeach. >> the president says there is one to be a vote this year. senate majority leader mitch mcconnell says not so fast, they will not pick it up until next year after impeachment. again, shannon, bipartisan agreement here in washington between nancy pelosi and president trump on something they want to. they wanted past next week. >> shannon: it does happen occasionally. leland, thank you so much. new tonight, federal judge in texas blocking the trump in administration from diverting millions of dollars in military funds to build a border wall. this new ruling only involves one set of pentagon funds, but leaves in place the money the supreme court allowed to be used earlier this year. the administration is expected to appeal tonight's decision. president trump expected to sign an executive order tomorrow to fight anti-semitism on campus. the order is designed to target
the boycott, divest, and sanction in israel movement popular in many college campuses. the trump administration has long argued the bds movement is a form of anti-semitism akin to discrimination against racial minorities or women. colleges that fail to fight anti-semitism could lose federal funding. the left apparel he doesn't like the planned order. democratic senator brian schatz tweeting, we would like to argue about israel, even, especially about israel. the idea that a college campus would have its views on israel regulated by the federal department of education, oy gevalt. in afghanistan, the target of what is called a powerful suicide bombing, according to afghan officials. a car bomb hitting near bottom airbase north of kabul. fbi officials say they expect casualties, not confirming any at this time. peace talks between the u.s. and the taliban resumed over the weekend. a surprising twist in the senate impeachment trial saga. will schiff and the bidens be
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♪ >> shannon: republican leadership in the senate discussing the beginnings of the rule that would govern and impeachment trial. the one thing that might draw the ire of the president, the witnesses the senate will or won't call. joining me now, wyoming senator john barrasso. thanks for joining me, senator. >> dexter having become a shannon. >> shannon: how does this work? who decides folks like hunter biden or joe biden will be called to testify? >> today is the day the democrats impeachment car ran out of gas. you saw it. they don't have the evidence, and they don't have public support.
there are not 20 republican senators who would vote to remove the president. we are united. and you see it on the house side, as well. the best they could come up with were six words in terms of the articles of impeachment. it is astonishing that they have continued to obstruct legislation for over a year with this obsession with impeachment, and it's not going anywhere. >> shannon: i think you and i have talked about the whispers of ron washington, oh, there are republican senators were going to break and vote against the president. are you saying tonight you will think you will lose a single one? >> that's hard to say. they will make their case in the senate, and people want to listen to hear what they have to say, but we are united, and people are offended at the way this whole thing has played out, the lack of due process and fairness for the president, and basically, the lack of evidence. so the sun it will get together, convene, decide, as this goes t. lots of discussions of how long
it will take, but when the final jeopardy question is asked, i know the president will still be in office. >> shannon: okay, any democrats you think might cross over with you in the senate, vote against removing the president? >> there are a couple that may. we are also seeing that in the house. the house republicans are united. the house democrats are divided. some of them are talking about us and share because they don't want to vote for impeachment. but this has been a completely partisan exercise, shannon. this has been partisan from day one. the democrats have been after president trump from before he became president. they were talking about impeachment before he took the oath of office. >> shannon: something the senate trial is going to be a sham and partisan to the benefit of the president. here is chuck todd and his take on what he thinks you guys are cooking up. >> is looking clearer and clearer to me that we are not -- i think we are not going to have a real trial. because the white house is going to set up a strawman of what they think is fair.
that includes, you know, all the bidens testify. how -- i think it gets merrick garland. >> shannon: meaning, of course, president follows supreme court nominee who didn't get to a vote in the senate. what you think of that characterization of what you're planning? >> we will listen to the evidence the house house to present. they will make the presentation, the president will be able to make his defense, and i think at that point, will say, do people have enough information to vote in terms of impeaching and removing the president from office? i think, at that time, the majority of the senate will say yes, i'm ready to vote, so we don't need additional witnesses at that time. but we are united at what has been a completely partisan effort against this president, and if there has been any obstruction of justice, it's not been by the president. it's frightened by the democrats in the senate in terms of abuse of the powers that they have. because they have been using those to her to the president in their efforts to get the country
moved ahead. >> shannon: i want to ask quickly about usmca. has leadership saying today it is moving forward. senator mcconnell saying nope, probably not until the senate impeachment trial. one of the people in the press team for house speaker nancy pelosi called that nonsense, saying that should get moving. >> if they send impeachment over first, we have to deal with impeachment first, that is the way the system works. i'm ready to vote for usmca. look, the president has threaded the needle here on what is likely to be the largest bipartisan trade deal in history. this just adds to the good things that are happening in the economy. it builds on the 7 million jobs we have in this economy, new jobs, since president trump took office. we have the lowest unemployment rates right now. in 50 years, wages are up. people have more money. more money to spend, to save, to decide what to do with. usmca as a part of this strong, healthy, and a growing economy that is benefiting all
americans. >> shannon: democrats who argue that is why needs to move quickly. we will watch and see what gets to your table first for a vote in the senate. senator barrasso, good to see you. >> thanks for having become shannon. >> shannon: good news for the president on polling in key battleground states. coming up, kristin fisher in the swing state of pennsylvania and peter doocy in sin city with the scoop after this. a lot of folks ask me why their dishwasher doesn't get everything clean. i tell them, it may be your detergent... that's why more dishwasher brands recommend cascade platinum. it's specially-designed with the soaking, scrubbing and rinsing
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>> shannon: tonight, president trump rallying a key swing state hours after house democrats unveiled two articles of impeachment and handed him a victory on his new nafta deal. correspondent kristin fisher is there with tonight's highlights because that evening, kristin. >> shannon, tonight president trump called what house democrats are likely about to do to him "impeachment might." he called me two articles of impeachment announced today flimsy and pathetic. >> you saw their so-called articles of impeachment today? people are saying they are not even a crime. what happened? all of these horrible things,
remember? bribery, and this, and that, where are they? they have these two things, they are not even a crime. this is the lightest, weakest impeachment. this is impeachment might. this is the lightest impeachment in the history of our country, by far. it's not even come alike, and impeachment. >> president trump told his supporters tonight there is a silver lining to impeachment. he believes it has forced house democrats to cut a deal on the usmca. democrats did not give president trump credit during the press conferences today, but tonight, president trump called it my new trade deal. >> they announced impeachment, and then an hour later, she announced that she is going to do usmca. do you know why? it is a huge deal, to place down impeachment, because they are embarrassed. >> the big question is, how is impeachment playing in this
critical battleground state? most of the people in this room tonight agree with the president that it is a witch hunt, but there were also some protesters outside who tnk the exact opposite. >> he's got to be removed. one way or the other. this administration's criminal. >> you've got to have evidence to impeach him. he didn't do anything wrong. it's always show. the things they're combining about now, they complained against the republicans, during the clinton impeachment, it's all just politics, really. >> whether the state turns red or blue in 2020 mail hinge on the economy, and tonight, president trump received a lot of applause for the new jobs report, the low unemployment here in pennsylvania, and for saying that he loves her she chocolates. shannon, this arena is literally right next door to chocolate world. shannon? >> shannon: i got engaged there. kristin, thank you very much. impeachment on their minds, the democrats also preoccupied with taking out each other pick on the 2020 campaign trail, let's
check in with correspondent peter doocy live from las vegas. hey, peter. >> shannon: shannon, we caught up with joe biden in the nevada desert tonight and had a chance to ask him about a pair of national polls out today, one from quinnipiac, one from monmouth, showing him holding on the bloomberg ad blitz, for now. >> they both have you as the clear front-runner, and michael bloomberg, despite all of the ads and the millions of dollars, 5%. what does that tell you about what democrats are looking for? >> michael, keep spending. [laughs] look, i think democrats are looking for a number of things. first and foremost, for somebody who represents the basic values of the democratic party, historically. >> but michael bloomberg thinks if the choice is any leading democrat or trump, voters are going to go with trump. >> i think trump is getting stronger, and i think he would
just eat alive the candidates, because they don't have plans that i think are practical, that can be implemented. they don't have management experience. this is not a job where you take training wheels. this is the future of the world, the free world, maybe the whole world. you need people with experience. >> for most of the cycle so far, impeachment issues have taken a backseat to policy issues, but that is until now. just listen to nevadans at an elizabeth warren event tonight. >> for the most part, i think they are doing a good job trying to be thorough and not making this personal, just about the facts. i think it is unfortunate it is falling pretty partisan. >> i think it's an incredibly impeachable offense. in my opinion, he should have been impeached a long time ago. >> if you let this president get away with it, the next president will do the same thing, and it will get worse. it's not so much getting trump.
>> and as things are starting to take shape in iowa and new hampshire, the top tier is starting to focus more on first and the west, nevada, and proof of that would be today, the top three polling candidates, all here. shannon? >> shannon: they want to hang out with you. peter doocy out on the trail. thank you. late breaking details from new jersey, where a police officer and five others were killed today in an ambush and shoot out. we got details next. but first, realtors round up. professor once took donations from convicted sex offender jeffrey epstein telling cvs he is planning a dating app to pair people based on their genetic likelihood of producing children without hereditary diseases. critics say it sounds a whole lot like eugenics, or selective breeding. merriam-webster announcing the word of the year is "they," with searches for the word of 313% in 2019. merriam-webster added the use of the day as nonbinary pro down to its definition in september. virginia democratic governor
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officer, and removing guns from the streets. dozens and dozens of handguns. our hearts go out to him. we believe he was killed while trying to interdict these bad guys. >> 1 of 6 people killed in a gun battle that broke out midday, as engaged officers with high-power rifle fire, and hours long shoot out. gun fire broke out before 1:00 p.m. at a kosher grocery supermarket. at one point, one of the assailants shot and killed detective seals, who was in plainclothes at a nearby cemetery. federal and local officials sent to s.w.a.t. team members, helicopter drones, and bearcat armor vehicles, to pin down the two shooters around the grocery store. eventually, both shooters were shot and killed, but not before three other civilians were killed i in a gun battle. >> i can tell you their movement
was rapid, and continuous for four hours within that area. we have no inkling what the motive was yet. speak with a gun battle forcing all 43 schools in jersey city to be put on lockdown, including a private catholic school across the street from the gun fire. thousands of students unable to leave their schools until after 4:00 p.m. the bomb squad is investigating stolen u-haul truck that they say has some sort of device inside. meanwhile, two other officers were also shot, but have since been released from this hospital. president trump has tweeted his thoughts and prayers for all of the victims involved in this "horrific shoot out." shannon? >> shannon: still so many questions. brian, thank you. tonight, a fallen police officer on his way to its final resting place. fatally shot while responding to domestic violence calls days ago, the police chief placing some of the blame on senate majority leader mitch mcconnell.
and texas republicans. let's bring in fox news contributor jessica tarlov, and former cia analyst, buck sexton. good have you both with us. i think any time we these stories were there is an law-enforcement official involved, they volunteered to do this, so it's obviously very painful. i want to play what the police chief in houston had to say, in response to lawmakers not doing more on guns. >> make up your minds. whose side are you on? gun manufacturers? the gun lobby? for the children getting gunned down in this country every single day? >> shannon: your reaction? >> look, i understand he is upset and he should be, he lost one of his own. this is a reminder of the threat law-enforcement faces every day, knowing there is a terror incident, a mass shooting happens, people pay a lot of attention to that, rightfully so. law enforcement is faced with
and that is why you see it is handguns that are the biggest issue of violence, but which doesn't get a lot of play because there is not as much of a political focus on them these days, but if you talk specifically about the violence against women act, reauthorization, and fortunately, for his argument here, in the state of texas, i believe the shooter in this case would have been a prohibited possessor. he's already someone who was illegally possessing a gun. i understand he is upset. he works in law enforcement. i respect that. but putting this on mitch mcconnell is, unfortunately, just incorrect and unhelpful. i wish there would be more of a focus after these incidents, if you want to take action, make sure it is action that would actually, one, be legally what needs to happen, and two, constructive instead of passing blame around. >> shannon: ted cruz, republican senator from texas, says it's unfortunate the police in houston seems more focused on trying to advance his political ambitions than supporting the brave men and women of hpd. the fact is, this killer was a criminal who federal law already
prohibited from having a gun. jessica, so often in any of these cases that get headlines to get attention, it really goes to the debate about gun control. >> absolutely. i don't think that's unfortunate, i think it is something that people like this police chief should be pushing forward, because those are the people in the light a fire most often, those are the people losing police officers. it reminded me, actually, what happened after the tragic shooting in dayton, ohio, where the police said if the shooter had had a less powerful weapon, we wouldn't have lost so many lives. we lost nine people that night that could have been avoided if we had stricter gun control measures. i applaud this police chief, and also think it is important for lawmakers like ted cruz to work with organizations that are trying to reform laws and make sure that even if one person, who shouldn't have had that gun, even if they had passed a background check, or had been cleared, some other way miss, mental health evaluation or whatever it is, might have not ended up with a gun. >> shannon: what do we do with
this guy, who is already prohibited from having a gun? >> problem with the gun control debate that happens after these incidents, the people that want more gun control often forget there are tremendous amount of laws, federal, state, local, that are on the books, and some of them, by the way, are laws in bad faith, like in new york city with had to pull in law because it realized it was unconstitutional, and they also admitted it wouldn't keep anybody safe. they essentially wanted to agitate gun owners. this has become a wedge issue, where it is not just about keeping people safe, because everybody wants to keep people safe. the idea that mitch mcconnell somehow doesn't care about violence against women, this is insidious. it doesn't help move the discussion in any helpful direction. so that's why, when you look at an incident like this, and he says take action, well, he works in law enforcement. what action would have liked to be taken? just saying my political opponents are responsible for violence in america, there's over 300 million guns in the country, lest they go for mass confiscation, this is when we get back -- australia -- it's
not going to happen, so all of these proposals, they are adding more onto a mountain of existing federal and local and state firearms laws. telling them to do something is infringing on a constitutional right. >> he referred, by the way, to ted cruz as mitch mcconnell as the police chief's political opponents. we have no idea how the police chief votes, or any of that. but that doesn't matter here, and i think that is part of the problem, this gets put into a partisan bucket right out of the gate. we don't know about his partisan affiliation. we know he is grieving because he lost someone on his force, and yes, that guy should not have had a gun in the first place, but that doesn't mean we can't make changes to ensure this doesn't happen again. someone else he name checked was the nra, and the outside influence that they have on the republican party -- >> i would like to know he's affiliation -- >> he could have ticked a box for president obama, anything that matters less? >> they want to solve a gun violence issue by pointing out
political opponents every time this happens when we don't actually know what laws should be changed, or even with the laws are, apparently. that doesn't help -- >> how many times is the present going to say he is going to change the gun laws, and then he gets called -- >> shannon: come back to that, that will be part two. it is a hard question in washington right now: who will house democrats pick to prosecute president trump in the senate? arkansas governor asa hutchinson, who filled that key role in president clinton's proceedings, he understands it. he joins us live next. -excuse me. uh... do you mind...being a mo-tour? -what could be better than being a mo-tour? the real question is... do you mind not being a mo-tour?
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>> shannon: it is a conversation and topic in washington tonight. who will house democrats have to be impeachment managers? the high-profile assignment where lawmakers act as prosecutors in this case of a senate trial. let's bring arkansas a republican governor asa hutchinson, who was an impeachment manager during president clinton's trial. governor, good to have you with us. >> great to be with you this evening. >> shannon: let's talk a little bit about the procedure here, and how this comes together. i want to play something from senator dick durbin, obviously democrats, about how he visions things going forward in this trial, if it happens. >> the articles of impeachment are set over by the house, we will do what was done 20 years ago, almost 20 years ago in the clinton impeachment. where there was a meeting of the leadership on a bipartisan basis
to come to a conclusion about how to move forward. >> shannon: okay, so governor, given the current environment on the hill, do you think bipartisan agreement will be possible to set some guardrails on this thing? >> i think they will try very hard to come to a bipartisan agreement. i know that 20 years ago, they actually had a closed session in the old senate chamber, with only senators without staff, ant that was bipartisan, that was frustrating to the house managers, as we tried to present the case, but i think they will try to do something similar this time. i hope that they do. but whenever you have two sides that are diametrically opposed, compromises have to be made to reach that agreement. one final question is, how long is this trial going to be? if you have witnesses -- which they did not have 20 years ago -- that will prolong the trial. are you going to do it based upon a motion to dismiss? are you going to do it based
upon summary witnesses, like they did in the house judiciary committee? or is it going to be like the house intelligence committee, in which you actually heard by witnesses? those are fundamental questions that they will have to iron out in the senate, and i -- we will have to wait and see, because we are all very curious about it. >> shannon: vanity fair writing about this, both bipartisan and partisan negotiations, if they fail to figure out the trial procedure, the task would fall to supreme court chief justice john roberts, who will be presiding over the trial. obviously, when you were there last time around, it was chief justice rehnquist, and obviously he and chief justice roberts have a lot of similarities, probably a do or don't want to get involved in this, what are your take on how much the chief justice may get involved in these tough decisions? >> i think he will resist mightily getting involved in process questions on how the senate trial is conducted. obviously, whenever a motion is made, he has to rule upon it. if there is an objection made,
he has to rule upon it. but in terms of the process itself, great latitude is given to the senate, and i don't believe that they will give that up to the presiding officer, which is the chief justice. let me just add real quick, shannon, if i might. that second article of impeachment is as weak as they come. the second, which is on contempt of congress, because it really surprises me that they are trying to say they obstructed congress, or they obstructed congress because they didn't comply with subpoenas. the remedy is to go into court to enforce the subpoenas, and they didn't take advantage of that. so i really question whether that is going to survive over in the senate. >> shannon: yeah, okay. quickly want to ask you, one former federal prosecutor writing a piece about nancy pelosi, she must go bold because the democrats are in trouble and need a game changer. nancy pelosi should choose herself to leave the house impeachment managers in the senate pick what you think there is a chance that happens? >> i don't think there's any
chance of that happening. clearly she is the orchestra conductor in this, but she knows that she needs to get somebody who can present a strong case in the senate. by senate tradition, it has to be house members. they can't have a council that does it. it has to be house members. the ordinarily, that is judiciary committee, but there is a lot of latitude there. that is really a serious question, as to whether adam schiff will be called to be one of the lead prosecutors, or whether they can find themselves to the judiciary committee. >> shannon: we will all be watching, and we know you will, as well, governor, thanks for sharing your insights and experience. >> thank you, shannon. >> shannon: check this out. clifford hampson earned his high school degree at the age of 91. as a young boy in the 1930s of minnesota, he had to stay home to help with the family farm. he caught himself to read, became a certified welder. he always wanted to finish his education, so after hearing his story, benson high school
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♪ >> tucker: good evening and welcome to "tucker carlson tonight." the president is rallying supporters in hershey, pennsylvania. we will have highlights and newsworthy moments from his h speech just ahead, but first tonight at 11:59 a.m. on january 20, 2017, donald trump took the oath of office to become the president of the united states, like 12:05 that someday democrats were calling for his impeachment. that is barely an exaggeration if at all, literally for years the left howling that trump must be removed without the consent of voters. every day. finally, today, this day through