tv Your World With Neil Cavuto FOX News August 18, 2009 4:00pm-5:00pm EDT
wear ties and makeup. good luck. i cannot wait to meet your daughter. >> i will miss you, too. >> do you want to buy this car, or not? >> we have to think about it. >> what do you mean you have to think about it? you asked me 10,000 questions, and i answered every one of them. what do you need to think about? >> we need time to consider it. >> consider it? why do not consider this? you have been breaking my [beep] -- do you want to buy the car, or not? >> not from you. neil: sometimes, you just cannot close the deal. maybe it is your salesman. the president, the health-care deal, did he just sign up a
better salesman? welcome, everybody. i am neil cavuto. barack obama it presumably talking about how bill clinton closed that north korean deal to rescue those two hostages. remember that? but is barack obama recruiting him for something else? his health-care jalopy. they are yelling in the showroom, they do not want to buy, and now, they are leaving the showroom. does barack obama need to bring in a manager? and as bill footed the bill? a used car salesman with u.s. auto limited says if the customers are gunning for the door, time to bring in the big gun. is it time to bring in the big gun? >> absolutely. bill looks great. he has got his pinkie ring on and his kaline suit, his hair slicked back. how much more could you ask for
-- his clean suit. neil: you were the big gun, right? and if the customer was wavering, you came in to try to make the deal happen, right? >> absolutely. that is what you try to do. you put the salesman out there, and he is the relationship. he is the regular guy. he has got his tie on, just trying to relate to the customer, and after that, you have to have someone like me, out, someone with a little more authority and shall work presents, and then you need to change the conversation. sell whatever you are selling, but did them to sign the papers. neil: that is all they have to do, the papers. what has been happening right now, kenny, the people are leaving the show room, and that is a major no-no for salespeople to let that happen, right, because once they leave, the
odds of them coming back, they are not coming back? >> we always say that when the customer leaves, the salesman should lead with them, and when they come back, they are not going to pay the money tree and when they leave the showrooms, we are not going to be buying into this plan, and there will be less and less plans that we will buy into. it is not going to happen. neil: where we know now is that bill clinton has arrived at the white house, so the meeting is. just a few steps through that door, you get to the oval office. we have no idea whether this is actually going to come up. we suspect, though, once you talk about how you got the rescue with the is a north korean hostages, then maybe you go over timber jong-il -- kim jong il's wardrobe and how healthy he looks, you have more minutes in the meeting, and we
assume that the former president is going to offer advice to the current president, on how to pitch that deal. let's say you are that guy, kenny. how do you urged the president to re-frame this sale how do you urge him? >> they were going to the town hall meetings and pitching the sale, and that did not work, so then barack was doing it, rolling up his sleeves, and that did not work. i would say he is going to have to tell him to make a step away from a little bit, and maybe they would just bring bill into duty close. -- bring in bill into d to do te close. the customers are leading the barn, the show were, and people are walking away from the health care program -- people are leaving the barn, the showroom.
he talked about health care related to his own family, which was relevant. neil: have you ever stuck somebody with a lemon? if it really did stink? i cannot imagine you doing this, but maybe in your young verdes -- in your younger days, did york artful salesmanship lead to a wrong set -- maybe in your younger days, it did your artful salesmanship do that? >> i would go in and say, "we have got to move this, and these people are getting this car today. we will deal with it on the other end." they call up and say, "hey, the car has got a dent," we said we will fix it for them then, so we are the zero. neil: kenny, always fun to have
you on, and we are just kind of joking. >> thanks, neil. >> the quality of workmanship, the taste will details. the luxury of seats available in soft leather. -- tasteful details. neil: remember that? even the best of advertisements do not necessarily help, especially when you do not change the pitch. look at bill clinton in the past. >> all of our efforts to strengthen the economy will fail. let me say this again. i feel so strongly about this. all of our efforts to strengthen the economy will fail unless we also take this year, not next year, not five years from now, but this year bold steps to reform our health-care system. [applause]
neil: that was then, this is president barack obama now. >> it is bankrupting families, and it is bankrupt and businesses, and we will fix it when we pass health-care reform this year. we are going to fix it. nadal, all right, same message, different messenger. tom, i always love having you on -- neil: all right, message. i think you are the one living on a fantasy islands. that is all i am saying. >> -- on the fantasy island -- on a fantasy island. >> he is not as good at connecting. there are a lot of similarities with what was happening in 1993, 1994, but one thing bill clinton understood is that it was always about the voter, feeling their
pain, connecting policies on a personal level, and so far, obama, that is one of his strategic mistakes. neil: it did not help bill clinton. i love those cordovas. he was salesman butter, but with that cordova, he could not push it. the corinthian leather, the whole 9 yards, it just did not work, so sometimes, as good as the salesman might be, and bill clinton was and is gifted, he could not hawk it then just like where cardenal obama -- ricarldo could not do it then. >> there was the 01 thousand- page bill, and hillary clinton became the face of it -- there was the 1000-page bill.
neil: this president does just the other way, and it has proven just as unsuccessful. >> that is right. i think he studied the mistakes a clinton aide and went so far in the other direction overcompensating that he made his own mistakes -- he studied the mistakes that clinton made. critics were pouncing on it and picking it apart, and so, obama has been out there. one of the problems with the obama plan his that he doesn't really have a plan. he just has a set of principles that he keeps repeating over and over again and leaving the door open for various options. neil: is it going to fail now as it did then? >> i think it might come actually. you have seen over the last couple of days, it looked like they floated this trial balloon, no public option, and now they are getting fired from the house. it will not pass if it does not have the public option, so i think the key now is -- chuck
grassley, if he signed on to something to give enough otheco, they may get something to sign, a half a loaf, but the whole thing they just fall apart at the scenes. it is all right, tom, thanks. >> you bet -- fall apart at the seams. neil: a health-care specialist joins us. she knows of what she speaks. you just do not like what either of these guys might be trying to sell. >> no. neil: why? >> because the people go online and look at this bill, they will be sick. it caters to non-citizens. you'll have to pay $2,500 if you do not want this plan. also, it does not benefit senior citizens. it does not benefit young people.
i heard a doctor said today that young people are going to have to wake up, because young people are going to have to pay $4,000. nothing is for free. neil: you hear that if we do not do something, it will get worse, and you just heard bill clinton say that in 1993, so what do you make of that argument, and are we being scared into doing something, or do you think there is legitimacy to it this time? >> first of all, the plan, if they pass it right now, why are they rushing? it is not going to go into effect until 2013. if you are going to do a plan, do it right. the people voted barack obama is and, and he is not listening to the people. the people are saying, "i do not want this plan. why are you intruding in my life?" neil: samaras say we are really going to be overwhelmed if this
comes to pass. what is meant by that? >> well, you go into the emergency room, you have to wait at least five or six hours, and no matter what your injury is, other than a heart attack. -- some are saying we are going to be overwhelming. two or three days. you will have to go on a waiting list. we see canada. in canada, people who are terminally ill, or who have cancer, they come here, or go to email clinic in arizona. neil: the argument for doing something -- or go to the mayo clinic in arizona. neil: the argument for doing something, the problems, you are pointing out, are getting worse, and we will come to a point where the government has got to do something. what do you say? >> well, in this plan, if you read it, it says that the government will have your records, your medical records, not your doctor, government will. do you what the government
telling you -- they will tell you what procedure you can have. do you want to government telling you? they cannot even rent cash for clunkers. they are going to run the health-care system. neil: they already have a lot of this. that is the argument, that they already have a lot of this stuff. it is going to get more personal. >> going bankrupt. should we not try to fix the system that we have now, instead of trying to just do an overhaul of the system? neil: you are a democrat, right? >> yes. neil: did you vote for the president? >> no, i did not. neil: why? this health-care thing? >> in general. i just thought he was a salesman. bill: thank you very much pre- empt -- neil: thank you very much.
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as you know, she was for a single-payer system. steve moore, are we witnessing history repeating itself? >> well, i certainly do not want any of the democrats to vote for the obama health-care plan to have their heads guillotined off, but what are they not listening to their constituents, neil? and as you know, many have canceled their town hall meetings. they do not want to hear what the constituents have to say. they know that they are angry. we have a representative form of government, and he can vote any way he wants. he was properly elected. that is the way we have elections. the way they could figure tivoli have their heads cut off is in
the next election, when voters have a chance to strike back. -- the way they could figure actively have their heads cut off. -- figuratively have their heads cut off. neil: even prior to the pearl harbor, some were sitting in we have a duty and obligation to be there, fighting these guys -- some were saying we had a duty. >> you're exactly right. there are many times when members of congress take a conscientious approach, even when it is against the wishes of their constituents, but the point is, neil, they have to be proven right over time, and the problem for democrats is if they vote against the wishes of their constituents, they set up a health-care plan that is wildly unpopular, it does not work, has cost overruns, all of the things people are afraid about, then they really run the risk of
losing their jobs. that is what happened in 1994, when a lot of democrats lost after the bill clinton agenda. neil: some have told me off the air that there is a great silent majority out there, sort of what spiro agnew was talking about in the early 1970's that we are not hearing from, and they are for this reform, and this sign the majority wants to see some reform, and that is the crowd that is going to matter. what do you make of that? >> well, i am not a pollster, so i do not know what the real attitude of those silent americans are, and you are right. if there are a lot of people who have not gone to town hall meetings and so on, but i get a sense, neil, because i have been around the country quite a bit in the last the several months, but i get the idea that there is not just loud opposition about this, but the crowds have gotten
bigger, and the anger has risen, so if i am a democrat, going to vote for this, i am not confident this is a popular vote with my constituents. if anything, i think the trend here is much more against this, especially in the last four or five days where they are changing their opinion. one day, the public option is in, and i do not think that the democrats and president obama have done a good job explaining what this is about. how is this going to save money? how do you spend $1 trillion on the health-care plan and save money to provide think they have done a very poor job explaining this to americans. neil: i think what did not get through was that maria antoinette was for the public option, but sadly, it did not go through. the conjecture at the start of the show, when bill clinton and barack obama meeting at the white house that besides wanting to know how the north korean and
went down, maybe the former president is advising him on how to get that health-care thing down. should he be recruited? that is bill clinton, to try to close the deal? >> i do not think he would be such a good salesman. look, bill clinton is popular, but on the issue of health care, let's not forget hillary care. i would not think he would be especially good as a spokesman for this issue. i mean, the only way this is going to be resurrected, it is pretty clear, neil, the man who holds all of the cards is chuck grassley, who you had on your show. the democrats have to have to cut a deal. if that does not happen -- neil: and now, the liberals hate him. if we were playing some of these clips from bill clinton back in 1993. -- and we were playing some of those clips. we now know in retrospect,
whether you give him credit, or republicans like to take credit, without health-care reform efforts, the economy went up. i think that will come to the floor here. >> before i was a journalist, i worked for dick armey back in 1993 when that health-care plan came out, and do you remember that the diagram that dick armey came up with all of the agencies, this huge, bureaucratic charge -- this reminds me of this system, too. this system that barack obama wants to set up is a labyrinth of agencies and bureaus that will be in charge of this or that, so there are a lot of similarities between obama care and hillary care. neil: i do want you to finish that thought, but we just wanted to assure you, what was that? bill clinton leading or writing? ok. that was bill clinton arriving at the white house -- bill clinton leaving or writing?
-- or are arriving -- or arr iving? that was bill clinton arriving. >> this goes back to the eisenhower administration. he was so great to me even as a young punk of college, and i miss him already. we have something at the end of the show on his very sad passing. thank you, steve, very much a. all right, the public option, it is on, it is off, it is essential, is not essential -- it has changed. >> the president has said repeatedly that he is open to many options, but that his preferred option is the public plan. neil: so what is going on? a woman who used to stand at that exact same podium. former white house spokeswoman
dana perino, now it's fox news contributor. >> -- now a fox news contributor. >> i understand what robert is trying to do, and he is trying to keep options open for the president, but at the same time, he is trying to do this. it is a very tough line for a press secretary to walk. neil: do not tell me you never did it. come on. i am telling you. i think when kathleen sebelius said the public option was not the be all, and all, what she was trying to say is, look. we can try to strike a deal, and this is not the end of, be all. i am sure on the sunday circuits, they trotted back out as a problem, and it was not well-received, and they had to go back. >> it was not just at secretary sebelius said it. president obama it is debated that -- intimated that.
it is very hard to understand, and is logical to conclude that they do send out these trial balloons, because just two ago on the sunday shows when secretary geithner and larry summers had supposedly been debated that they were going to be for a tax hike -- they had supposedly intimated they were for a tax hike, i said i would give them about 30 hours before the white house, and knocks that back. -- before the white house comes and knocks that back. >> it does not smell right. -- neil: it does not smell right. >> they wanted to have some details to be able to provide to the people that were coming to the people at the town halls, and now, there are not able to answer, will i be able to keep my doctor? how is the care going to be rations?
is it going to be rationed at all? how are people going to deal with things at the end of their life? so now, they could not answer these things, and the democrats are tied up, and the republicans are trying to give them enough rope. neil: we mentioned earlier the bill clinton health-care fiasco. the argument before falling apart is that they dumped it on congress, and everyone got their nose out of joint. letting congress handle it so it did not look like they were big brothering them. >> we tried it both ways, too, on efforts we did not accomplish, and one was social security reform. we provided broad-based guidelines for congress, and they could not do it. it did not work. in addition, we tried a different tactic when it came to immigration reform. we wrote the bill, went up there, hands on, and it still did not pass. these big efforts are hard to
pass. if you look at what happened in 1993, look at what is going to happen this time around. if we all agree we need to have helped us care reform, let's consider some market-based options. neil: we showed the clip from bill clinton in 1993, warning if you do not do something very fast, there is going to be held to pick, and we learned that that was not the case -- there was going to be hell to pay. we're going to have him on a leap, because we just chose one or a couple, and we could've gone on the whole show running these clips and dire warnings. people can say 1993 did not happen, did not happen, did not happen. 2009, and they are crying wolf again. >> people have a lot of anxiety about what happens to my health
insurance if i lose my job, but they are more worried about what happens if the government takes over my health care, and as it was said in its "the times" today, it is ill-defined. neil: for those of you who missed in the beginning, what bill clinton was arguing about 16 years ago, take a listen. >> all of our efforts to strengthen the economy will fail -- let me say this again. i feel so strongly about this. all of our efforts to strengthen the economy will fail unless we also take this year, not next year, not five years from now, but this year bold steps to reform our health-care system. [applause] neil: did not happen. >> well, i had no doubt in my mind that he truly believed that what happened, and that is what his economic advisers were
telling him. it did not happen. so now, why the rush? neil: you guys were stupid enough to know that there is something we had to do about medicare, -- you guys were student enough. punt, punt, punt. >> congress is extremely risk averse, and that is why it wanted that deadline. when you get into september, the start to think about the next november. neil: -- they start to think about the next november, their election. neil: the two sides heats each other, do they not? daiichi. -- thank you. why are aarp members dropping aarp by the thousands? and the grab for michael jackson's famous glove. ( chirp ) team three, boathouse?
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but i find that they have increasingly liberal leanings, and that is not representing my interests, and, apparently, not the interests of some 60,000 members who have canceled their interests since the first of july. neil: what specific liberal leanings? >> well, i think what is happening is that i feel we are getting something of a slight of hand. for example, a few days ago, when the president said that aarp is on board with the health-care reform, and he said it was good for the seniors, and then ate our peak came on after words -- and then a rpj munn afterwards -- aarp came on afterwards, and they were urging people to contact their
congressmen and give their support to the bill. neil: i am sorry. you think they were giving mixed messages. you're seeing these advertisements in favor of it, you do not think the president was wrong when he assumed that the aarp was behind it, right? >> well, i think what was happening is that the aarp was telling the membership one and and doing another thing and really not keeping us abreast of what they were actually doing. neil: i got you. i apologize for jumping on you, but i am pitched four times. the a r p may be looking at all of these town hall meetings and rallies -- the aarp may be looking at all of these. these are their bread and butter, the aarp members themselves, and they have pulled back. is it too late -- i in pinched for time -- i am pitched for
time -- pinched for time. >> there are a lot of, number one, unanswered questions, and other things that are not going to be necessarily very helpful for seniors. neil: so you are not going back to a arky? >> i am not going back to aarp. -- you are not going back to a ararp? i think it is too little, too late, and they have over 40 million members, and apparently they have not really been paying a lot of attention to the small slice of their population who have cut up their cards, so what i did, in addition to cutting of my cards, as a symbolic gesture, but i also decided to take it one step forward and write an
article about it and let my voice be heard. neil: deep, you did. mary anne, thank you very much -- indeed, you did. who is the guy who made no -- 6:00 p.m. on fbn. if you do not get fbn -- for your own health. all right, coming up, next, you get your hands on michael jackson's glove. and then a massive identity case. is this a 911 for health care? (announcer) illness doesn't care where you live...
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about michael jackson's death and life. the glove. that glove, the glove, it is huge, it is worth a fortune, and it is here. it is up for sale along with many of his other possessions. the ceo of an auction house joins us. this is famous for a number of reasons. a, this is the one he wore during the special. >> yes, during the moonwalk, and this was the only left-hand glove. it is the holy grail of michael jackson memorabilia, because when you think of michael jackson, you think of the glove, and this motown performance was his most famous. very few can you identify to a specific performance, and this when you can. because it is different, you can match it up to the photographs, exactly.
neil: all of the others on the right-hand side, this one special for that event, and also special for the auction. >> yes, one of the founders of the commodores, walter, they were opening for the jackson 5, and when michael was a little kid, walter would ask him for his autograph, and michael would say, "walter, i am not going to give you my autograph because you are more famous than 8," and after his performance, walter went up to michael and said, "michael, after that performance, and you have to give me your autograph," and michael said, "i will not give you my autograph, but i will give you this glove." we can estimated to bring $40,000 to $60,000, but that is very low.
we have interests around $300,000, so we think it could sell for up to $500,000. neil: that is $100,000 a thinker. >> it is really a museum piece. -- $100,000 a finger. there are museums that could bid on it. in asia. there are many people who will flock to this. neil: i can imagine that this member deal yet has gone way up after his death. >> we had 21 items that we estimate it would bring $80,000 to $12,000. -- $8,000 to at $12,000, and those items all sold for over 200 thousand dollars. neil: we had you on earlier, and there is controversy about an
option, and he wanted you to pull it, because he did not want to sell it. what happens? >> you know, we worked everything out. we were hired by michael jackson and his manager -- neil: he did not want to let go of it? >> he had a change of heart, which celebrities tend to do. neil: all of those things that you were showing, and i guess that is a right-handed blue glove. >> it went right back to michael. we work everything out. neil: so what is your relationship with his family -- we worked everything out. >> good. neil: when the show to meet the jacket last time, one of the jackets, he was a tiny guy to when you show me the jacket. >> i do not know exactly what his size was -- when you showed me the jackets last time, one of the jackets, he was a tiny guy.
neil: what do they do with this stuff? they put them in a glass case? >> it is typically museums or investors, people who want to have the items may be on display in their office and then sell them later for profit. these items appreciate very quickly. neil: ok, he is going to be buried on his birthday, august 29, not and never land, because that would hurt the appeal of neverland as a mecca for all things michael jackson. would it? >> vis a vis does not want it to happen. i think no matter where michael is buried, i think he will ellisalways be an icon. neil: while you are here, you have another item. >> this is a mickey mouse.
neil: can you show that? >> we sold a painting of mickey mouse, and it sold for $25,000, that michael jackson did, so we estimate $2,000, and it should sell somewhere around $10,000. he drew it, and he signed it. he was very much a prolific artist. neil: all right, fascinating stuff. >> the auction takes place on november 21 here at the hard rock cafe. neil: all right, thank you very much. when we come back, is this a 911 for health care?
have gotten on the biggest identity case, ever. 130 million credit cards were hacked. customers at several retailers, including 7-eleven, were affected. if the slurpee guys were hacked, how are they going to handle this? robert, it does make you worry. >> like you said, if we cannot protect credit cards at 7- eleven, where it makes people think we can protect 700 million medical records? >> what happens here that it got to be so widespread? >> we are a good decade behind other countries that are beefing up all and we really are under attack right now as we speak.
you know, just a few weeks ago, north korea attacked, or, supposedly, they attacked, and as a result, if we do not put together a coordinated plan of attack to respond to 14-year- old's from romania that are packing our critical infrastructures, where are we? neil: your fear is that this would go beyond getting credit information, that if the government has our help desk here intermission, there is a lot more with the cybersecurity threat. in other words, a lot more to steal? >> absolutely. there is a lot more information on as out there, but as we put more information, like our medical records, all of that information will probably be up for grabs, and they are assigning a cybersecurity czar, and they're back is going to be up against what already, and there is a battle going on 24
hours a day between the good guys and the bad guys, he criminal hackers, the good guys fighting them off, he to do not have the backing to protect us, and if government things that they're going to move forward, move ahead, with the health-care plan, with medical records online, and not have sufficient cybersecurity in place, we have got some serious problems on our hands. neil: can we do anything in the meantime to protect this from happening to us? >> well, in the meantime, it is important individually, and mean, you do everything you can to protect yourself, checking credit card statements, paying attention to what government officials are doing with our personal information, making sure that all of those in charge are doing everything and anything that they are supposed to. just do not sit back and think that the government is going to protect you, because they are not protecting themselves, let alone us right now. neil: all right, robert, thank
you. at this juncture, we know at least 130 million whose credit records were hacked into, and we do not know how many had their credit cards abuse, in other words, purchases to keep an eye on. thank you very much. meanwhile, many are lamenting what this man pontificated. i am remembering what this man predicted. the other side of robert novak on the other side of this break. . . medicare. it doesn't cover everything. and what it doesn't cover can cost you some money.
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neil: you know, by now you probably heard the news that robert novak has died. now you know the story, most quoted with his passing, the column that triggered an investigation into the valerie plame leak that resulted in the 2007 conviction of scooter libby, and the column who prompted journalists who weren't in his league to say he was too cozy in league with the government retribution campaign against her husband, ambassador
joe wilson. never mind that novak called the u.s. invasion of iraq unjustified, his colleagues had little time for details. fortunately, novak did have time for details, painstakingly uncovered details. it is why and how we broke so many stories. bottom line on this show like so many other shows, bob novak stood out, because in the hot air universe of t.v. pundits, this prince of darkness had a way of shedding light like no other, even eerily predicting things like no other. take a look. >> it's going to be a very nervous time for republicans. they are going to lose seats in both the house and senate. will they lose enough to lose control for the first time since 1994? that's entirely possible. >> senator clinton coming out absolutely left field, out of nowhere with his false accusations and it shows his true nature, like a couple of weeks ago she asked the question, what would jesus
christ think about the house-passed immigration bill. that worries democrats that i talked to about the possibility of this woman being the nominee for president. interestingly enough, you also point out, bob, that this time if democrats gain even more in the senate as they are expected to with the republican resignations, they could have pretty much their way, a filibuster-proof majority that could ram through any legislation. >> that's right. they will get that in this congress and may get some little things but what i believe they are aiming for in 2009 is a democratic president and filibuster democratic-proof senate and you may have an entire different tax system after the next auction. >> from hearing your reports and reading your columns, you have a way of knowing what is going on down the way. thank you, robert. neil: he predicted the makeup of congress almost to the exact number, the presidency we would see, the initiatives that he