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as well as professor little bitman talks about the historic passage of the legislation through the senate on health care. courtney:st a great day, everyone. -- have a great day, everyone. [captioning made possible by fox news channel] bill: on a monday morning, good morning, everybody. we start this morning with new developments in the investigation of the attempted christmas day plane bombing. as authorities here in the u.s. pump up security at airports across the country, police in central london now searching the last known address of the suspect. 23 years old. and we're now getting new information about the nigerian now accused of trying to kill everyone onboard northwest flight 253. screen right. that scene will be depicted throughout the week this week and in weeks going forward, american airports across the country with the ramped up security. hope you had a good christmas. what a story this one breaking over the weekend. >> absolutely.
unbelievable news today. bill: good morning. i'm bill hemmer williaming um um. ume -- welcoming uma. uma: thank you. i'm uma. bill: a federal white house in michigan. >> good morning. bill: will we see the suspect in court today? >> he's not expected to attend the hearing behind up up here in the u.s. district courthouse this downtown detroit. he's being held at the u.s. marshal's detention facility. he weighs moved there yesterday after being treated at the university of michigan hospital in ann ashor for apparently second and third-degree burns christmas day and on saturday. a u.s. district judge was arraigned. one count of trying to destroy an aircraft. another count of bringing in an
explosive device onboard an aircraft, each carries up to 20 years in prison. bill: phil, is there evidence yet that we can confirm that this young man had help either getting onboard that plane or in help with his plot? >> there are anecdotal reports that he might have some assistance. some attorneys onboard that flight are saying a well-dressed man helped him get onboard that plane in amsterdam because he allegedly didn't have a passport at the time. the homeland security secretary janet napolitano said that is being investigated right now but says she doesn't see any indications so far of any widespread al qaeda terror plot here. however, clearly if in fact he did get hold of 80 grams of that highly explosive powder that he did get some assistance somewhere. but two key aspects of this case right now are being
investigated. the secretary saying this morning finally admitting that airport security screening measures did in fact fail. so they're finding out why he wasn't on the no-fly list even though he was on a broader terrorist watch list. and his parents told the u.s. embassy in recent weeks that they were concerned about terrorist links. they're looking into how he got through the security in amsterdam. bill: a cold day in detroit. thank you, my friend, there there. here is uma with more. uma: the white house orders a review of its terror watch list. as phil phil just mentioned, the suspect -- as phil keating just mentioned, his father told officials at the u.s. embassy
about an attack, telling them about his interest in radscal islam. they're suggesting that u.s. security could be using the wrong approach. >> the system broke down. this administration is more backward looking. you saw it yesterday from secretary napolitano. she said the system worked. why? because she views homeland security as being a bunch of first responders that once we identify a threat, the system kicks in. i think we need to be much more forward looking. success is stopping these attacks. not responding to them. uma: well, the stakes remain very high. robert is former director of the counterterrorism system and chairman of u.r.g. partners. welcome. nice to have you here this morning. >> good to be here. uma: some people are wondering in this post-9/11 world how could a someone on a terror watch list whose father warned officials about his terrorist connections, what depuzz this
say about shared intelligence between the u.s. and other nations? >> i any you put the finger on one of the weak points there. there's a great deal of information sharing mountain context of specific international counterterrorism investigations when we're dealing with known or strongly suspected terrorists. there is -- there are layers of much less specific information, however, that never get -- never do get shared internationally. all the information that was shared with regard to this young man was shared within the u.s. system. i think that's a weakness in the system even that low level of information probably should have been shared with dutch authorities who could have made their own judgments on whether this individual merited a secondary inspection before he got onboard that aircraft. uma: in your view could this be part of a larger terror plot in regards to the terror groups being trained in yemen where al qaeda has a much higher profile these days? >> well, in a sense we can say
this is part of a continuing al qaeda plot which dates all the way back to the plot of 1995. as we know al qaeda with varying degrees of success has been trying to take down airliners since that time. whether or not we have a current near and present danger, whether there are one or more additional bombers who are out there now as we speak is very difficult for us to say but obviously one of the things that people will be looking at very carefully. uma: some are saying begin the fact that we have taken greater measures in iraq and in afghanistan with the continuing offense that's going there that yemen has become the haven for these recruits to focus on al qaeda's mission. >> oh, clearly. yemen today is in the second tier of terrorist safe havens, if you will. and it's probably not an accident that the methodology that was used by this would-be terrorist bombers is very
similar to a technique that was used by a so you haddy terrorist who was dis-- saudi terrorist who nearly killed the deputy minister from saudi arabia. uma: the yemen government is considered quite weak. there are reports that u.s. special ons are training them in counterterrorism tactics. would this make a difference in a country that is considered quite lawless? >> well, the -- i think what we're seeing is an increased indication of will on the part of the government of yemen which is a very good thing and i suspect that given the heightened profile of the plot or rather the threat imnating from yemen -- emanating from yemen it will have greater cooperation. uma: thank you for your insights. >> thank you. bill: we get reaction from this young man from tennessee who had a seat near 169-a near the
suspect. 19-year-old daniel who was sitting in 17-g two rows in front, here's what he and his parents, his parents, by the way, first heard about the failed attack on the radio, what they had to say about the ordeal onboard. >> when i saw the fire and heard the screaming and smelled the smoke in the air i was at that moment sure he was going to die. he lit his blanket on fire and the flames, if i'm sitting here, the flames were leaping up at least this high. looking death right in the face, basically. but it was oddly peaceful at the same time. >> we turned the radio on and i heard the news that the flight from the t.w.a. flight from amsterdam to detroit, there was an -- you know -- there was an attempt and someone was injured. it's weird to know the name of the person that tried to kill
your son. >> i knew the whole time my son had a deep faith in god and he was in god's hands. bill: wow, that is one relief family. next hour we'll talk to a young american student who was onboard flight 253 when the attack failed. she was en route to detroit back to her home in ohio. she joins us next hour. uma: and this fox news alert on new video coming in from the deadly protests on the streets of iran. thousands of protesters back on the streets of tehran. they're battling with iranian police in some of the worst scenes there months. reports from opposition websites and witnesses on the ground are saying the police fired fare gas into those crowds. at least 15 people reported dead including the nephew of a
reform leader. the last protest peaked in june after the disputed presidential election. bill: watch that story, too. we might be only weeks away from the massive expansion of the u.s. government we've seen in four decades. is there anything that might derail the overhaul of health care in america? karl rove on that answer only three minutes from now. want to know how fast it took my stiff joints to feel better?
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uma: we are back with this fox news alert. pakistan, take a look, pakistani officials saying at least 20 people are dead, dozens more injured in karachi. according to the report, they were shiite muslims. the blast smashing windows and ripping apart cars. security has been increased across pakistan following that attack. bill: you think the news would
slow down a little bit. uma: not now. bill: 13 after the hour. only about a step or two left from the massive expansion of the federal government in about 40 years. the senate and house versions on health care reform has to be formed into a new bill. karl rove, fox news contributor, former senior advisor to george bush, good morning there, karl, down there in austin, texas. i know you have your white board. what is on your mind. >> there are dozens of issues but six big issues that is different from the house and senate bills. the first is the house has a public option, a government-run health care plan and the senate bill doesn't. there is a big issue about abortion. they have taxpayer funding of abortion. the senate bill doesn't. on the employer mandate, the house has very tough provisions penalizing employers who doesn't proceed advise coverage for their employees. the question is about the tax. in the house version they have
a 4.5% tax on wealthier individuals to pay for part of the plan. in the senate there is a high expense high cost america plan. there is a battle on medical devices. the senate has a -- the two bodies have different versions on that. and then a medicare board, reimbursements to doctors and hospitals. the house has a very powerful -- the senate has a very powerful board. the senate doesn't. the issues will be fought out in the background of one other battle, bill, the battle over all of these special provisions. there's going to be a big issue in the weeks ahead as american people finds out more about these sweetheart deals and bribes that was in the senate bill. bill: what do you know about the sweetheart deals, karl? >> there are lots of them. i was intrigued why michigan and nebraska blue cross blue shields have a levy? i understand nebraska.
senator bill nielson said we need to cross out blue cross blue shields in nebraska. why michigan? since october, 2009, the united auto workers has had blue cross blue shields for the working and retired auto workers in michigan. it provides them the insurance needs for the michigan education association, the teamsters in there, the construction trades union and the operating engineers union and nine members of the blue cross blue shields members are union officials. in fact, the staff of blue cross blue shields is unionized and they lost $145 million earlier this year. so what they've done is they put a provision in there that would penalize the president obama. blue bloss blue shields in other states will be hit by this onerous tax but in one
state because it's political allies. bill: the point is whether it's nebraska or michigan or florida is that all the other states will pay for those folks in the exemption that you point out in nebraska and michigan. just want to go back to the six points you laid out for us. what do you think happens? does the house rub remember stamp it? do they say, listen, man, we have to accept what the senate gives us? >> look, having been in the midst of house and senate negotiations, nobody, even if they're both republicans or democrats likes to give way to the other body. there will be big discussions and big battles and tempers will flair over all this stuff for weeks. this is not going to be done quickly because each one of these big issues and there are dozens of other issues as well but these big issues will require people to dig in and try to defend their -- trying to persuade the other body they need to go there.
the only certainty is the public option will be out. bill: i hear you. i don't know if you hear you correctly. you're not conceding this fight, are you? >> no. look, i think -- there's -- they're going to get something because democrats have such a big number. but let's not kid ourselves. there are some big issues yet to be determined and will lose votes on them. abortion. i find it hard to believe that congressman bart stupak, having undergone all of the pressure he's got from michigan is going to cave on the abortion restrictions he got written on the house bill. i think it's very difficult for them to pass a bill in the house if they have a watered-down version and have 40 democrats paired with republicans against taxpayer funding of abortion. it's very tough. there's lots of ends and outs. bill: even then, say you lose some democrats on this -- you may pick some others up on the house side who might not normally vote for it. >> abortion is pretty clear.
you got every pro-choice, pro-abortion democrat voted for the bill a lot of pro-life democrats voted for it once they got those restrictions in. if you start losing people on the house you might lose the bill. bill: oh, that's interesting. in a brudder sense if they get health care done, do they get anything else or is this the end of the legislative road? today you pick up the newspapers and say leading democrats urging the white house stop on cap and trade, don't go there now. >> well, the administration and liberals are going to push for a broad expensive agenda because they think it's essential for keeping liberal democrats wired up for the 2010 election. this has done big damage to the democrats. let's not kid ourselves. they've gone from being in a great position when this battled started to losing a battle over the opinion of the health care bill. republicans are poised for big gains in 2010 because this issue, the intensity is all with the opponents and it's a big -- all these arguments are
not going to change the underlying reality of the bill. it's costly. it's going to add to the deficit. it's going to take away people's choice. they are not going to keep the coverage they want. it's going to have big cuts in medicare. it's going to lead to premiums and half the people that are going to get coverage under this bill will not get coverage by expansion of private insurance. they will get dumped into medicaid which is second class health care. if you put on top of that a nice big thick cover of special interest provisions like we've seen starting to emerge in the depths of this bill it's going to be a real problem for democrats when it comes to 2010. bill: you mentioned this issue about nebraska. we are going to talk to the attorney general out of south carolina, believe it or not, who is questioning whether or not this is constitutional. that's coming up in our 10:00 a.m. hour. karl rove from austin, texas. uma. uma: the netherlands said they did everything right at the airport. we're live in five minutes to show what they're doing to
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bill: we have put reporters at various airports throughout the country. this is a look at denver international airport, that's d.i.a. where are we going right there? that's the garbage cam. that's what photographers do when they try to balance the color. i'll show you some videotape taken earlier today. that's a crowded airport. 165,000 passengers expected to go through d.i.a. alone. that's the second busiest travel day for christmas week. when you considered last wednesday to monday of this week, more than a million people flying throughout the country. that's an extraordinary amount of people. there again live picture from denver. and with the -- well, the
security that we're now considering, the way it's been ramped up, until you come home yesterday morning, the t.s.a. workers said we're not taking any chances what happened in amsterdam. uma: people trying to get checked in. bill: warning get there four hours in advance. if you're traveling, pack your patience. we'll get through this one way or another. live picture from denver right now on america's newsroom. uma: this morning controlled explosions over lack champlain between new york and vermont bringing to an end the 80-year-old champlain bridge. the bridge is set to be demolished at 10:00 a.m. it was ruland unsafe to use become knocked but even after the dust settled from the blast, there will be a lot of lingering agering from thousands of people severely affected since the bridge was shut counsel. david lee miller has our report. >> michael, row your boat ashore. it's not just a song but a way
of live for michael sweeney who rows to work because -- rose to -- who rows to work because the bridge has been declared unsafe. >> from day one my plan b right away was row across. >> following the opening day ceremony for the lake champlain bridge in 1929, a local newspaper described the occasion as a beginning of a greater era. 80 years later the bridge is again in the news. although this time for all the wrong reason. last october the bridge was condemned by inspectors after the piers rotted away. 4,000 drivers a day now have to detour around the lake or travel to a nearby overworked ferry. >> well, i'm upset but not the only one in the same boat. >> it's just turning into a big hassell. it's just a pain in the butt. >> to help ease the pain, new york state, which has been responsible for maintenance, is now setting up a ferry service in the shadow of the decaying
bridge. according to authorities, the bridge's deterioration was unpredictable and local merchants say they face financial ruin. at the bridge restaurant, which sits at the foot of the structure on the vermont side of the bridge, business is down 60%. the owner is dishing out more blame than food. >> gross negligence, poor maintenance and bad judgment. >> there are similar frustration and suffering on the new york side where some of the damage can be measured in dollars. stephanie says it took more than two hours to get her husband to a vermont hospital when he suffered a heart attack. >> there's no need for this. no need at all. sorry. i have tears. i'm still angry. still angry. i still have to -- my husband, i have to worry about him constantly. >> both states have offered financial assistance to regional businesses. just about everyone who lives
around here says the best help will be a new bridge. now, on the drawing board for completion in 2011. perhaps then michael, who rows his boat, can declare hallelujah. uma: or thanks to david lee miller reporting from the new york-vermont border. again, that reminder that bridge set to blow up around 10:00 a.m. eastern time. bill: how about that nifty riding there at the end? how would you like to live there? now your commute is 100 miles. uma: oh, no. bill: good luck in vermont. we'll check in at the 10:00 hour. we'll talk to a new jersey congressman who helped in david goldman's custody battle to regain his son out of brazil. the goldman deal might be over but those in similar cases might be beginning. we'll have that in three minutes. c
uma: we are back at half past the hour. one of the big questions of a failed terror plot aboard 253, how did umar farouk abdul mutallab get through security at amsterdam airport without a hitch? that's an airport home to some of the best high-tech security and sensors in the world. greg burke is screaming live from amsterdam with more. greg, what can you tell us? >> hi, uma. you know, that's right, this is
a huge european hub and not known for security lapses. what it's known is for long corridors because it's such a big airport. it has some 50 million people going through it every year. at first glance things look pretty normal when we got here today and looking at people going in. however, there's some 25 flights going out every day to the united states and security has already been tightened up on those. we understand that the dutch officials have answered a request from the u.s. government officials asking that there be 100% checks on all those flights meaning that everyone gets frisked and that all the carry-on luggage is checked by hand so that's already happening here. in addition they added some 50 security people for those united states flights. however, there are already more than 5,000 people working in security here in this airport. either for private firms or government officials, police and the rest and perhaps that's even going to be added up. we'll see what happens after that.
they may have to add to those numbers, add to the checks. finally, i spoke recently to the head of the pilots association. he said they got to use the new technologies, that there's privacy questions here. they got to get into body scans and that kind of thing if they are going to make these flights safe. uma. uma: i think we'll hear a lot more about using that new technology now that we have so much on the line. thank you so much, greg. bill: hear a lot more about body bombs which was the case on christmas day. want to get to a story you may not have heard over the holidays. amidst the christmas eve package of the health care package, they are trying to increase the federal debt ceiling by $290 billion. check this out. the total outstanding u.s. debt is just over $12.1 trillion. with that increase, the government is now free to borrow up to $12.4 trillion. combiffing the u.s. treasury just enough lee way to pay the government's bills for the next -- giving the u.s. treasury just enough leeway to pay
government's bills for the next six weeks. we're not stopping here, folks. there is one governor and possible presidential contender trying to drag this behavior into the light. this is minnesota republican governor tim pawlenty. he's calling for a constitutional amendment that would require the government to balance its budget. stu varney, good morning to you, stu. can pawlenty succeed? who is listening to him? >> what he's doing is laying counsel a political marker. it's a statement of intent. it's a statement that the republicans do not like this national debt ceiling and the extension of borrowing and spending. the constitutional amendment is not going to happen anytime soon, obviously. you need a vote of 2/3 both in the house and the senate and you need 3/4 of allstate legislatures to amend the constitution. we have not done it since 1972 when we lowered the voting age. what governor pawlenty is doing
is highlighting the unpopularity of this massive extension of debt. the democrats don't like it. you only get six weeks with $290 billion? the voters hate it because it constantly pops up in polls as a major source of anxiety for the voters and the republicans are capitalizing on that. here's a quick example of just how much we're borrowing and spending right now. this week, bill, we will borrow, uncle sam will borrow, will try to pull in $118 billion. that is just this week. bill: happy new year. >> yes, sir. bill: in an economic sense, what does this debt do to us? >> you have to pull the money in, you see. two things. you got to pull the money in so you got to entice lenders to give you the money. probably means interest rates go up. secondly, with this outstanding massive national debt you have to pay interest on it. pretty soon, in fact, right now we're paying about a half
trillion dollars each and every year in interest and that goes up from here, bill. bill: we're the only country doing that, right? >> no. bill: who competes with us, japan? >> japan is much higher than us. much, much higher than us. most of western europe is much higher than us but we're catching up. bill: stu varney, see you next hour. uma: new developments in the case of daflede goldman who had a five-year battle of a custody case for his son. he's urging lawmakers to help other parents not endure a similar fate. chris smith introduced a new measure to try to help solve this growing problem. how are the goldmans since the reunion? >> very well, uma. i spoke to them on christmas day for the better part of an hour. i could mare laughter in the background where shawn was playing with his same-age
cousins and paternal grandparents and david was in absolutely seventh heaven as he was talking about this reunification after five long years of forced separation because of the abduction. and david -- go ahead. uma: both father and son are doing great? they're bonding really well? >> very well. and i saw it last february when depaved got to see his son for the first time in 4 1/2 years at that time for a visit, court ordered and that had been denied previously by the abductors. there was a bond there. a strong bond and now that bond can grow and go deeper as it ought to be with father and son. david has endorsed my bill, the international child abduction prevention act which has three major laments. a new ambassador -- plments. a new ambassador at large. a single focused unit within the department of state to really like a laser beam hone in on niece 2,800 american
children who have been abducted worldwide. and i borrowed this from a law i wrote in trois called the trafficking victims protection act and that is a bill that says modern day slavery, human trafficking, especially sex trafficking, needs sanctions, withholding of certain u.s. foreign aid, except humanitarian aid, to those countries that are either inkirch or -- indifferent or complicite in this. this is something that's worked on religious freedom, on international human trafficking and now it needs to apply to human abduction. uma: there's no doubt about it. i think what's alarming about it the u.s. state department said 1,000 new abductions from parents or legal guardians. >> uma, it's skyrocketed in the
number of cases. some might be better at reporting but i think most of it this is a human rights phenomenon that has to be combated very seriously. there is an international treaty first crafted back in 1980. we joined it in 1988. it is a nice series of noble steps but no enforcement capability. we need to say to the rest of the world, we're serious about fighting for the human rights of our children who have been abducted and their left behind parents. david and -- patrick brayden has been fighting to get his child back, melissa, from japan and has failed because the japanese government has been so indifferent if not complicit in human abduction, child abduction. and that has to change. uma: it does indeed. it's great that you're out there with this new legislation. hopefully it will get some legs
and has some traction and move forward in a very positive way. our thanks to you. it's good to know that the goldmans are doing well and had a fabulous christmas. bill: what a battle it's been for them. uma: heartbreaking. bill: 21 minutes before the top of the hour. videotape on christmas day. a family bleeding for his release. what he says on the tape that might give the u.s. military the best clue yet to where he's being held. [ female announcer ] there's sick... and then there's the flu. and when you have it, everything hurts. for fevers and body aches from the flu, doctors recommend tylenol more than any other brand of pain reliever,
uma: welcome back, everybody. well, we're waiting for the bridge to go boom. take a look. demolition crews set to take down the champlain bridge down. taking a two-year process expanding connecticut and vermont. it was used until inspectors deemed it unsafe back in october forcing some to take a 100-mile detour or take crowded ferries to get to work. it is taking a heavy toll on local businesses that rely on the bridge traffic. of course, we'll keep a close eye on the pictures and show you when it happens. about 10:00. bill: smart to own a boat across the river. save yourself 14u7bd miles. the family of a u.s. soldier captured in afghanistan pleading for his release after a videotape was released on christmas day. the first sign of life for this young man in nearly six months.
we'll show you in a moment images taken from a videotape. in is pictures released from the family. he was last seen in june in eastern afghanistan. captain chuck nash is with me. a retired u.s. navy captain and fox news mifrlt analyst. good morning. >> good morning, bill. bill: we'll show you the last videotape that was released. there was one picture about five or six months old. we'll show you the sunglasses that the young man is hearing. i listened to his cadens. he's halting in his speech wearing sunglasses almost if he's reading and the sunglasses were used to reveal his eyes moving across the screen. your observations are what, captain? >> i think the reason for the sunglasses is what the taliban are trying to do is to eliminate any possible method for him to signal or to encode.
as a matter of fact, there's precedence for this in -- back in vietnam. one of the p.o.w.'s actually blinked the words in morris code, torture, and got the word out to the u.s. intelligence folks that in fact the p.o.w.'s in vietnam were being tortured. bill: do you think taliban-al qaeda are aware of that? >> i think they are. this is a very sophisticated enemy. now, whether this young man would do that i don't know. that may not be. he may not know code unless he's an amateur radioist as a child. what they're trying to do is cover him up as much as possible. your point is that his speech was halting and that he was probably reading i would almost guarantee they were not going to allow this guy to get on there and free form a statement. and send it. the intel folks are going to have to comb over that also to find out how many times that
pape was edited so they can figure out what was redacted out of there and try to piece that thing together. bill: you know, captain, and if it was edited that makes it more difficult because you don't know the time frame but it was released on christmas day. it's a cruel hoax on the family, frankly, to be released on a day like that. >> well, it is. you know, everybody beats up the u.s. military. we need to respect the geneva convention and we do. we're treating these captives with most of the gentlemen neevea convention -- geneva convention. we don't let them play soccer. you show what the taliban are doing. this is not a sprint. in is an endurance race. we are going to be fighting these people for a long time so we better get our act together on how we want to do this going forward. bill: from a military
standpoint, talk about the survival of asian techniques that our soldiers and marines are taught? >> there is a joint agencies right down about 12 miles from where i'm sitting called the joint personnel recovery agency. they are responsible for teaching and the course curriculum for teaching survival of asian resistance and escape. there is a course that a lot of people are aware of. i don't know if this young soldier was sent through the full sear course. i can tell you as part of his military training he was given instruction on how to behave if you're captured. and right now his number one job is to stay alive. they're going to use him. he's of no tactical military value or stra t.j.cal military value to them. the only value he holds to them is that he's alive. as long as he's alive he's of value. it's in their best interest to keep him alive.
bill: the other is propaganda. he makes references to guantanamo bay and that's propaganda. >> neck continue to use him in that manner. the fact that he's reading these statements, you can disregard because obviously he's under duress. bill: i was thinking about the family in idaho. how does the military keep in contact with them? what is that process all like? >> they are i am sure there is a single individual who's like a case officer, if you will, who maintains contact with the family from the unit where this young man was sfationed. they are probably given updates. not very frequently because quite frankly i don't think we know a lot about where he is. they have the contact information so that the army and national guard -- they know
who to call and when those updates are probably going to occur. bill: you mentioned we don't know where he is. could be in afghanistan or pakistan. we think about "the new york times" reporter who was captured in afghanistan and held for months in pakistan before he escaped on his own. quickly, the taliban wants a prisoner swap. would we ever do that? >> i don't know. i just don't know what our policy would be in that regard because we don't negotiate with terrorists but if offered a prisoner swap that could be something different. so i'm just not sure what u.s. policy is in that regard, but it's a very interesting question. bill: all right, captain, thank you for your time. our best to the family too. uma. uma: new details breaking on the attempted downing of a u.s. jet pipeliner. catherine herridge has new information on the suspect. in this case possible connections from someone from another high-profile attack on u.s. soil. stay tuned for that. rrrrrrrrrrrr
bill: we heard from the ranking republican on the house homeland security committee, peter king out of new york. the obama administration is drawing a, quote, iron curtain regarding the attempted christmas day terrorist attack in new york. quoting from king now. "it's very hard even for me being on the homeland security committee and intelligence committee to get any information out of thised a mfrlings." he continued by saying, questioner' trying to find out what happened in fort hood, texas." that happened on "fox & friends" earlier today. he criticized officials not speaking out on last friday's incident just yet. we're hearing from white house officials with the president on vacation in hawaii that the president will make a statement on video today. we are standing by for that
about five hours behind new york. just a tick before 5:00 a.m. hawaii time. we're standing by here in new york. uma: in the seattle area a popular prepaid car lets you travel on all city buses and rails. if it is purchased through your employer you get a huge discount. it comes with a new controversial. it lets your boss know your every move, believe it or not. dan springer is standing by live from seattle. what kind of information can your employer actually get his hands on? >> well, almost every move, uma, certainly. this is the orca card, it looks like a credit card and there are 250,000 in circulation with a lot more coming because it offers great savings for people on public transportation if you get it through your employer, if you sign up for it online you can save about $1,000 a year. so far some of the biggest employers in the region are
offering this as a perk to their employees. boeing, microsoft, king county in the city of seattle, just to name a few. and what this does is allow people to go on public transportation from light rail, buses to ferries. 95,000 have registered online but what that does is allows for tracking of every trip, time, day, locations. let's say you call in sick and you use this card to go shopping or go to a ballgame. well, your employer can look up that information on a database that's being kept by orca, the folks that run the public transportation and see you did not stay at home that day and were in fact on public transportation. uma. uma: you can check in on the folks playing hooky. what's the reaction from the bus and train riders? >> well, the aclu doesn't like it. they're supporting a bill that would prohibits employers from tack -- accessing information only when suspected of fraud.
and the university would promise not to access the information. and the city of seattle has on its websites when the employees sign up for the card that the information on the card can be used for disciplinary reasons and that set off a firestorm among steelt employees. so you can imagine that employees say none of the employer's business what i do on my offtime because usually this card is being used by people on their off hours. uma: wow. what a controversial there taking place. -- what a controversy there taking place. bill: some breaking news in a moment here. the foiled terror attack on the flight to detroit, so much to be learned. we learned some of the details. we may see the suspect in court today in detroit. we have a new description of the moments just before and after a nigerian man tried to blow up that jetliner on christmas day. one eyewitness speaks out about the frightening ordeal in a moment and one piece of steel and concrete is about to drop into lake champlain. the team scheduled to blow it
bill: good morning. we have of the tendered -- we have uncovered says -- information on suspected terrorists, umar farouk abdulmatallab. he was accused of trying to blow up and northwest airlines flight into detroit on christmas day. we're learning a new details on exit with who he is in on the slipped through the cracks. apparently the cracks were white. welcome. i am bill hemmer. will be had a great christmas holiday. too short for me. uma: too short for me, too. nice to see you again. i am in for megyn kelly. he was banned from britain and placed on the u.s. terror watch list, and now washington is investigating possible ties
between the taliban and al qaeda. catherine herridge as more from washington. we hear that you have some new information on the search is taking place. >> sources have confirmed that investigators continue to do searches of what are described to us as apartment and flights of interest associated with the suspect and others. we have been told that cell phone related materials have been recovered from the apartment. this includes sim cards which are important because investigators can use the numbers to identify the contacts between umar farouk abdulmatallab and others and extremists overseas. is a uma: corrected the suspect actual travel to yemen? >> sources have confirmed to fox that the suspect, umar farouk abdulmatallab, traveled to yemen. sources say he was in that country late last year, early this year. the lobbies is a bit about the length of time, but we're told it was at least weeks, perhaps months. i have been told by one source said they believe that umar farouk abdulmatallab was
radicalize before he went to yemen and he was looking for trouble. and he founded. i was told that he was elevated by individuals in that country for the mission. what is not clear to investigators is to vetted him and whether he was supplied with materials for the attempted attack in the yemen as well. >uma: do we know more about the radical cleric in yemen? >> this is one of the most significant and broad developments in this story. we have confirmation that the suspect was a big fan of this radical cleric. you see him here. he is described by counter- terrorism officials as the dear abby of the radical islamic world. he is like a rock star and has thousands of followers. he was the very clear that major nadal hasan, the alleged shooter in the fort hood attacks, was seeking spiritual guidance from prior to that incident.
we were told that mutallab was a big fan of the cleric. he was a frequent visitor to his blog and website. the component that is missing now is whether there was direct contact between the two. i was told that investigators have yet to find evidence that there was direct e-mail contact, phone contacts, our person to person contact between them. but this is ongoing. that is the information as they have it now. uma: you describe him as a rock star, like a dear abby. >> i am trying to put it in simple terms because most people are not familiar with this individual. the cleric is an american citizen who was born in new mexico. it was a fairly central figure in the 9/11 plot and the 9/11 commission report. he was an e mall in san diego and also virginia and at mosques which are connected to some of the hijackers.
he fled after 9/11 and has taken up residence in yemen. he has been very prolific on the internet. he has his own website and his own blog. and thousands of people seek spiritual guidance from him. one official described him to me as a rock starlight dear abby. people want spiritual advice from him. in many ways, i believe one of the leading parts of this story will be the rise of this cleric. he was unfamiliar to americans a year ago and is taking on greater significance as we see how this has become more of the global jihad, which was ultimately osama bin laden's 0 about a decade ago. >> he is attracting a lot of attention and is very popular with these recruits and people drawn to his message. thank you so much for those fascinating details. imagine sitting in your seat for a 10-hour flight across the atlantic.
you are finally preparing to land in the man next to you lights himself on fire. unbelievable. it was a nightmare during reality of passengers aboard flight to 253. just ahead, a passenger who watched it happen. bill: i think it is fascinating what catherine herridge was reported. the cleric is the lighthouse in the harbor for radicals all over the world. you can make a tie-dye into the fort hood massacre. now this man is on the internet. how many people are logging onto watch them? we should be watching this website and figuring out who is listening to his message and who is not. this tie back to yemen will be fascinating. we open our show talking about the number of angles that have yet to be uncovered on this story. that is one of the many. in the meantime, and developing story in iran today. in the capital city of tehran there is chaos. an anti-government rally turned deadly. here is part of it now.
we are hearing at least eight protesters have been killed during a fiery demonstration on the streets of tehran. this is part of that. including reportedly the nephew of the highly renowned opposition leader mir hussein mousavi. this makes for the bloodiest confrontation since the violence in the weeks after the election in june, six months ago. amy kellogg has been due to iran and number of times and is live in london. you have iranian contacts inside viewing this latest round of violence. how do they see it? >> they're calling it a fight to the end. that is what it appears to be. an important distinction to make is that the early protest we saw when millions came out right after the june elections were very peaceful. you could hear a pin drop on the street. but these have turned violent. there's a lot of concern that it is becoming a mob scene, the mob
really is kind of thing, if you will. we saw people turning against the security forces yesterday, beating up the basij. the fact that mir hussein mousavi's nephew was killed is likely to be another flash point. people in the mousavi camp says the body has been moved from the hospital morgue where it was, and there's speculation that is because the authorities are concerned that a funeral for the nephew of mousavi could turn into a huge scene of martyrdom and further protests. bill: we're often interested in numbers on stories like these. it is difficult to ascertain how many people are truly on the street. over the summer when you compare what we saw a few months ago to now, is there comparison? is this greater or less or the same? >> obviously the protest has become more violent. we have heard numbers run to tens of thousands as today. some of their early demonstrations right after the
elections were larger, but there were less violent. there were peaceful. i think you are seeing an opposition movement which has no leader. and there are a lot of angry young people who have simply had with the regime and are coming out onto the streets for whatever opportunity they can. yesterday it was ashoura, vitiate holiday that recalled murdered them and oppression. the thing is that has been used as a political event for people to protest, but the result with the understanding that because it was a religious holiday that the police would not turn on any protesters. that was not the case yesterday. that is likely to inflame tensions. eight people killed. a lot of people arrested. and one person, a high-profile figure who was arrested at 3:00 a.m. in the morning was the firstborn minister of the islamic republic. you was arrested at 3:00 a.m., and he is well into his 70's. he has six children who all live in the u.s., but he stayed in
iraq to work within the opposition to try to make iran a better place, in his view. bill: is back on in tehran. thank you. so how should and how could the u.s. of the iranian dissidents? tell us what you think at foxnews.com. on our homepage, click on the you decide link. it will take you to our unscientific survey regarding u.s. involvement in iran. uma: now to health care reform. an uproar over the sweetheart deal the one senate democrat, the 60th vote needed to pass their bill. senator ben nelson agreed to support the bill after compromise measure freed his state from ever having to pay for its share of medicaid expansion. the expected cost to the rest of the country, $100 million, just over the first 10 years.
note the republican state attorney general's across the country are asking if it is even constitutional. the man leading the effort joins us now, south carolina state attorney general. let's talk for a moment about what is at play right now. i know that you are very angry about what has happened right now. you and other attorney-general across the country. what is it that you believe it is unconstitutional in this bill? >> we are concerned about it. under the constitution congress as the great power to spend the people's money, but it has to be based on good reason. when you start spending money across the nation on what is supposed to be a uniform program, there has to be good reasons for the distinctions that you might make in one place or another. is where is reno, the only distinction made from nebraska and was centered nelson was to buy his vote. we think that represents corruption. we're concerned about it. it will cost 49 states money to have to pay nebraska's share.
we think that is unconstitutional. uma: you have said that you believe this was a vote buying of the taxpayers' expense. >> well, that is what it amounts to. it is wrong. it is -- under the constitution, money cannot be spent arbitrarily. there has to be a reason for it. nobody can give any reason -- in fact, this is the first time we have seen where no one has even attempted to give a reason other than it was to buy a particular senators vote to help move the bill forward. that is not the kind of constitution -- not the kind of reason the constitution allows. that is why we have to instead attorney-general snout, and there may be more later. we're very concerned about it, not only when a means for this particular bill or process but what it may mean for the states in the future. >> of this is approved and moves forward, from your point of view, it opens up the door to have other situations or other
deals can be cut and asked other states to bear the burden of it. >> that is right. the 10th amendment means nothing. congress can pass and a thing for any reason and for no reason of all. it is a bad problem for all the states and the country. somebody has got to do something about this. that is why so far 10 attorneys general have decided that we want to study it and see what, if anything, the state can do odinga appropriate action if it is necessary. >> a lot of people say this is a political stunt by the republicans. >> well, the political stunts are going on in washington. this is a matter of law for the state's attorney general. we have banned together many times to address issues like this, but this was off the scale. nobody has seen as blatant vote-
buying, using the people's money to said an extreme with no excuse at all and no rational basis for it, just saying that it was necessary to give the man's vote. that is not the kind of reason the constitution allows. uma: thank you for joining us today. >> you are welcome. thank you. bill: she watched the man tried to deter and 277 fellow passengers to their death. on board flight 253, and i witnessed joins us live with her in -- experience.
widen cracks. engineers decided the bridge was becoming increasingly vulnerable to collapse. construction on a new bridge is set to begin in the spring. but what a picture. bill: and what a cold day is there. that is the vermont in the wintertime. so you are on board flight 253, some eight hours into your flight into detroit, michigan, and expecting a smooth landing on christmas day. suddenly, watching in horror as another passenger tries to take down your airplane. that is what this man is accused of. umar farouk abdulmatallab is charged with smuggling explosives on to their plan and trying to ignite it on board. jasmine is an american student. she is on the telephone now back in her home state of ohio. good morning to you. >> good morning. bill: thank you for you time today. i want you to take us back to what you were thinking -- you
are 10 minutes from landing. he is in seat 19a. or in 14j, about five rows ahead of them. where were you? >> he is, i was fibers in front on the offices side of the airplane. rose said the other window seat. about 10 to 11 minutes before landing in detroit we were descended into the area and preparing for a landing, i heard a pop sound. it was as if a plastic bag had been filled in air and popped. at first i was shocked because it is not normal for an airplane. i looked back and the flight attendant in my i'll was two miles away from where the suspect was and she said, what are you doing? she looked around to see -- i looked around to see who she was talking to but did not see anything. so i thought it was under control. turn back around and within a minute or two there was a lot of commotion behind us.
we looked back again and there was smoke in the cabin. i look on the opposite side of their plan and there was is orange glow on the side panelling of their plan which was the reflection of the fire that started. at first we did not understand what was going on. we thought there was just a fire on the airplane. bill: wasn't the part of the flight when the flight attendants were in their seeds are were they still moving up and down the aisle? >> they were all supposed to be seated, but i think one flight attendant was helping with something. bill: did she go after the manner was it the passengers? >> from what i saw, there were people standing up and trying to get away from the situation and some people were going towards him to stop them. as of the immediate reaction to the fire. people were asking for water and fire extinguishers. for me, this year is part was not the fire, but saying that there was a fire not being taken
care of. bill: how long did this last? >> it was brief moments. the only problem was that as people were trying to get out of the area, others are going towards it, so there were clogging the aisles. it made it difficult for the flight attendants to do their job. there were trying as best they could, but it was almost as if the passengers were making the situation more complicated. once the fire was put out with extinguishers finally, i saw a fellow passenger with the suspect in a chokehold. he took him up through the use front of the airplane. at that moment, it kind of song in what happened for us. bill: that was the passenger, jasper, and we have heard him. did you get a good look of the suspect? >> yes, a jasper was taking him to the front of the airplane and he was facing me. it look like a young man. very quiet. he seemed calm.
he did not seem to be struggling that much. he was taken to the front of the airplane. we knew he started the fire, but we did not really know what had happened. bill: was he saying anything as he was in this so-called? >> no, he was not. he was very quiet from what i saw. bill: are you studying in ethiopia or working there? >> i got accepted to medical school last year but declined admissions so i could be part of the services for humanities. bill: and you are going back? >> yes, i am going back in about a week and a half. bill: thank you for sharing your story. >> you are welcome. you are a wonderful young lady. my best to you. be safe in ethiopia. i am certain my family cares -- your family cares more than ever about the trip you're taking back to africa. my best. >> thank you uma:. of the holidays uma
bill: after the christmas day tears care, no one is taking chances on board u.s. airliners. the fed is a two men were acting suspiciously on board usair is flight bound for san diego. they were removed from the airplane and questioned in phoenix, arizona. the flight crew were alerted when one of the men got up from his seat when the warning sign was still lit. they are said to be of middle eastern descent and were met by police and tsa officials at the airport gate and were interviewed by the fbi later. no further incidents is on board
that flight. uma: retailers making some much- needed gains this holiday season. mastercard spending reporting its 3.6% increase in sales over last year. this covers the time between november 1 and christmas eve, but some analysts say those gains are less than stellar. considering how dismal the numbers were last year, they had almost no where to go but up. stuart varney is joining us now. welcome. nice to see you. the sales were up a bit. is it going to be enough to lift spirits among retailers before the year is over? >> well, there is a lot of positive spending put on this, but let's not get carried away. between thanksgiving and christmas this year, there was one extra shopping day, and that makes a big difference. one extra day this year. if you adjust the numbers, because of that one extra day, it works out as sales were only up 1% compared to the holiday
season of last year. that is not spectacular. that is not a blowout holiday selling season by any means. but let's not obscure one big positive, and that was for the online retailers. they wind up 50% in the week of workers this. amazon sold an awful lot of those kindles. it became the best-selling amazon product of all time in the christmas holiday season. but to sum it all up, get carried away, it was not a blowout holiday season by any means. uma: a lot of online retailers of probably the weather to thank for the uptick in the sales because people were stuck at home with nothing else to do but to shop, obviously. >> there was a big snowstorm right before christmas which helped the online sellers. uma: retailers have to give up a lot in terms of the margins and offer deeper discounts like they did last year? >> actually, i am still waiting for that. there was a lot of discounting
right before christmas but not the super discounting that a lot of people had predicted. in the two weekends before christmas, there were not that many 60%, 70%, 80% of sales as you have seen in 2008. i am going to say that the retailers protected their margins better this year than they did last year, but after christmas, right now, anecdotally i hear that those big discounts are in and the shoppers are shopping. >> making use of year in sales. looking ahead for 2010, what will you be looking for to see if there is any type of a trend where we are going to see better news for retailers in the early part of the year? >> it is all about unemployment. if you can get employment up, more people in jobs, then you have a strong chance of consumer spending in retail sales growing at more. absent an improvement of the and employment picture, it is not going to be that good.
we're not beg to the good old days like 2007. uma: stuart varney is keeping a close watch of the business center. thank you so much. electron bill: excels were up. guess what else was up, a jewelry sales. uma: that is music to my years. bill: we are up about 3.6% from last year, but last year was awful. in a moment, some recommend getting to the airport four hours before departure. you can watch the entire film "avatar" in fewer than four hours. airports are rampant of security. we will check in with the transportation hubs around the country.
uma: welcome back. treacherous air travel in the wake of the foiled northwest terror plot. new security measures are in place for all inbound flights. we have busy airports around the country. they're guaranteed to be long airline as security checkpoints coast to coast. we're live in chicago o'hare international in just a few minutes. bill: search is on in arkansas. two men shot and killed a salvation army worker in front of its own children on christmas eve. police say fellow wise was killed on a botched robbery to a downside the organization's community center of north little
rock. his three children, four, six, and 8, saw that happen. wise and his wife, who is also a major in the salvation army, adopted the siblings from an abusive home about a year ago. the suspects only said to be african-american men. police offered a $3,000 reward for information leading to their arrest. that is an ongoing story of what rock, arkansas. uma: police investigating a string of fires in western massachusetts. nine separate fires breaking out within a half mile radius early sunday morning in the town of northampton. five of them were buildings while the other four were car fires. two people killed inside one of the buildings that went up in flames. investigators called the fire suspicion good are treating them as crimes. bill: there are two years companies already on the hook to taxpayers for $200 billion. that comes out to roughly $3,800 for each american household.
that is $3,800 for you and your neighbor. those same companies are getting a green light to borrow even more money from on goal sam, as much as they want and there is nothing congress can do about it. a good idea? we have a senior economics writer for the "wall street journal" with us live. this is annie mae and freddie mac. in many ways now, they hold the keys to the kingdom of getting the economy starting again because of the mortgages are directly to that. >> first, i want to tell you that i was at chicago o'hare airport this morning. i never saw it easier to get your security in my life. i was on a 6:00 a.m. flight, but nonetheless, i got there plenty berlin had to sit around for an hour and a half because i was worried. bill: i did the same thing in cincinnati at 7:00 a.m., and it was easy getting through. i have a lot of pity for those people later in the day. >> if you look to the evidence
for the financial crisis, one of the agencies that really caused this was fannie mae and freddie mac. we gave them an unlimited credit card with the federal taxpayer guarantees. there is no question that a lot of the housing bubble was the result of those guarantees which fannie mae and freddie mac were providing. members of congress including bardee frank and chris dodd of said we want to continue to throw money at these agencies and they would never file, and they did fail. we send $200 billion to each of these agencies. it leads to the question, why are we repeating this mistake again? the federal housing administration has essentially said let's give fannie mae and freddie mac as much money as they need to go forward. bill: it is a blank check. what is the risk in keeping these into these closed? >> i have always been in favor privatizing them. they take mortgages and
securitized them so the book and by securitized mortgages. they also provide 100% taxpayer guarantee on repayment of those mortgages. it puts the taxpayers on and then look for major losses when you have a new downturn in the housing market as we saw in 2008. bill: so what is the risk if we do not keep supporting them? is there greater risk to the greater economy if we do not? >> know, a lot of people say we have to do this to keep the housing market going. my opinion is that we encourage over investment in housing precisely because agencies like this. let's not forget that we're not talking about an agency that helps small and low-income homeowners. we're talking about people buying $600,000 houses. and they're buying them 100% guaranteed, and i think it is a recipe for disaster. congress can intervene. use it congress does not have
any say over, and that is true, but they can stop the federal agencies from doing this. bill: i said that because the treasury acted without going to congress. >> that is right. this is rational oversight which we need to see. we ran into this train wreck 18 months ago, so let's not repeat the mistakes again. we already know about four thousand dollars per person. bill: it is mind-boggling. if you allow treasury to take it to congress, do we heard the markets even more by letting congress at the crack of this? >> i say congress should have oversight over these things. they should make sure that mistakes that were made it created this crisis in the first place are not repeated. for good $3,800 amount of subsidies because it could double if we continue to give them a credit card with no cash limit. bill: how do we reverse this? can we even into this thing on a
positive note? >> i think the housing market is recovering. i think we should learn the lessons. when you provide 100% guarantees and mortgages, it is their recipe for all sorts of fraud. people buying houses they cannot afford. ultimately we should repair these agencies before we give them a new line of credit. that is what this housing bill was supposed to do. that is why i am frustrated by this move by the treasury department to say give fannie mae and freddie mac whenever they need. bill:. taken. thank you. uma: guilfoyle northwest airlines terror plots impacting security was airports coast-to- coast. we have our wfld affiliate's joining us from o'hare international a reporter in chicago. what is the situation out there at this hour? how are people coping? >> welcome back passengers fall into one of three categories. domestic travelers are not seeing anything that different. outbound international travelers may see little more screening.
but the inbound, international travelers, people coming to o'hare from foreign lands, they are seeing the heaviest new security procedures including full body pat downs before the and the airplane, hand searches of carry-on luggage. some carriers resting travelers to not bring a carry-on luggage on the flight of possible to help speed them through security checkpoints. the biggest thing people are talking about though this for one hour before international flights land here in the u.s., passengers are not allowed to get out of their seats. that means no bathroom breaks, nothing. you have to stay in your seat for the full hour before their plane touches down. again, domestic travelers are not going to see many inconvenience and security factors that play today, but if you're traveling to and from a foreign country, definitely put extra time into your travel plans. uma: are people being understanding about the extra steps being taken, given the fact that we had this scare recently?
>> yes, eight years since 9/11, and passengers that are road warriors seem to have adjusted pretty well to changes in security. first it was the national guard walking around the airports with automatic weapons. you cannot bring beverages on the airplane. they seem to be doing fine with increased pat down searches and rifling through their carry-on luggage. one person actually told me he was thinking about bringing your carry-on items on his return trip. uma: the key word is patience. thank you. bill: pack your patience, definitely. let's move to health care reform. the action on capitol hill has a lot of attention, but what about america's doctors and their patients? we went to the front lines of the nation's health-care system to find out those answers. good morning. where did you go and what did you learn? >> hello. everyday americans are still trying to figure this out.
it is not like members of congress are knocking on doors and saying this is what we pass in the senate. we spoke to a number of doctors and informed patient up and down the west coast. first, the doctors. some believe this is nothing short of a government takeover and that it is a recipe for disaster. there are others to believe the opposite and that this bill is a cop out and does not go far enough. listen to part of the debate. >> this bill puts the government in turd of all aspects of health care. and in a bad way. the government is going to be with you when you're in your doctor's office. they will be with you at the pharmacy. they will be with you when you get a cat scan. it will be with you at a hospital. >> it is tinkering with of fundamentally flawed system. a fatally flawed system as opposed to any sweeping fun middle change. i think this is just declaring victory and going home. >> unlike the house bill, the senate bill does not contain the
public option. members of congress are still talking about this. they're hoping to come up with a compromise. under this senate bill, eventually americans would be required to carry their own health insurance or pay fines of up to $750 a year. bill: whether you hearing as they learn more and more about the bill, the pros and cons? >> yeah, there's still some confusion out there. some people do not like the idea of the government taking over the health-care system. they are concerned about what they consider a rush to have this vote. people are asking why the rush to have this historic vote on christmas eve, but others do not understand what is in the bill but believe that this country does need health care reform. let's listen to the way one woman summed it up. >> certainly know we will have to spend more money as a nation and as individuals in order to have coverage. i hope in the long run that that
pays off. there is no price that you can pay for your own health. >> the next step is for the house and senate to come up with some kind of compromise on a number of questions still out there like the public option and like funding for public abortions. congress is now back in session until next year. we understand there will be heavy duty negotiating over the phone probably beginning this week. the president is hoping to sign a bill by the state of the union address in late january. we are all watching. bill: we are. thank you. there is an interesting take over the weekend on the health care reform process from the new york mayor, michael bloomberg. he was a democrat and ran as a republican to win the mayor's office. he is now listed as an independent of the billionaire businessman has forged a strong working relationship with the white house and is largely supported the idea of health care support -- health care reform. here's what he said sunday morning. >> if you really want to object
to something in this bill, number one, i have asked congressperson after congress person and not one can explain to me what is in the bill, even in the house version. for them to vote on a bill that they do not understand a whatsoever really, you have to question what kind of government we have. bill: among the mayor's concerns, a possible reduction in federal medicaid funds for clinics serving some of the poor americans. uma: consider this, your spouse is sick. your friend got hurt, or maybe your co-worker is a split -- complaining about their bad day at the office. what do you say? i feel your pain. did you know you might actually be feeling their pain for real?
jon: good morning. we will see you in about 15 minutes. when we do, the future of your health care. we're not talk about the big bill that the house and senate have to reconcile. we're talking about some of the amazing medical the devices on the horizon. we will share some with the. >> the u.s. is already sent in cia of double the charges and special forces for the last to yemen. we will have more coming up. uma: we have all said the saying i feel your pain, trying to sympathize with someone going through a tough time. but now a study shows you might
be more sincere than you thought. some people have heightened activity in the pain sensing area of the brain when a witness others feeling pain. we have a neurologist from nyu medical center. thank you for joining us. what are talking about when we say we can actually feel someone else's pain? what is happening in the brain? >> odinga the original theory is that it is mostly an emotional reaction. there is a study using functional mri that maps out brain areas. they show that there might be physical responses the match was someone is talking about when they say i feel your pain. uma: what is causing that? >> there have been a lot of theories about chronic pain. we have a lot of patients with normal exams. they're testing is fine. one of the biases is to dismiss this is purely psychological when there may be some objective evidence that this pain
sensation is truly generated by impulses from the patient's brain directly. there is a law uma: of thought up the when you do the quantum physics and the thought about everything being energy, so could this be tied to that thought? >> i think our technology is getting very sixth -- sophisticated. the mri is an amazing machine. we're now looking at actual brain activity. it shows you that we are at the tip of the iceberg. there is so much going on that we do not even know about. this is just a way of starting to get into pathways mib present that we did not understand before. uma: were you surprised by the study's findings? >> said the bid is a very clever. the function mri technique is being applied to many situations. there has often been a disconnect between the ecology and neurology, but now you're seeing the two fields come together. the idea of neurosciences part of what we're talking about here. it is the emotional aspect translating into a real
physical at -- -- for the patient. the picture might show the languages unbelievable. some of uma: this study shows that the response showed greater activity in praying related brain regions when they actually were showing painful images, and the non-responders showed activity in emotional centers. " both cases, the emotional centers were activated. but the will to plan the fell seven had additional brain areas that link up to feeling pain in the same areas as to what the witness. i think should see the people process things differently. we may have some explanation now here for how people experience pain without any objective evidence. it is the with the process it, not just emotionally but there might be physical connections on the run the trigger the same reaction in them. uma: where do go from here with this information? what will this lead to down the road in terms of some of the theories out there that have yet to be proven? >> the field of pain management
is a very complex. there are millions of people who see paying physicians for various specialties. it is hard to sort out who is having its release ecological issue versus someone who might be having one of these types of situations. there is the issue for shoddy medicine. would you prescribe medicine for someone. do you need pain medication or anti-depressant? there may be implications for treatments. there might be a way of screening people with chronic pain. uma: it is a fascinating report. thank you so much for sharing your insights and expanding on what this all reveals is removed forward in the field of neurology. >> thank you. bill: that is interesting. uma: yeah, i feel your pain. bill: new information on who might have been influenced a the the christmas day body bomber. who was listening to and what was he learned from him? details minutes away. are you receiving a payout from a legal settlement
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bill: catherine herridge has been working this story on the christmas day bomber. investigators are still searching apartments of interest in the central london area. this is a 23-year-old man who rented an apartment that was millions of dollars. age 23. cell phone related material including the sim with all your contact information and information about calls are being analyzed. investigators believe that the suspect was radicalized that time before he went to the country of yemen. the time forever that traveled to yemen was approximately the end of last year to earlier this year 2009. they also believe he was vetted by those in yemen for the
mission, the mission referring to what took place aboard that flight. this is important. there's also -- she is said to be a big fan of radical imam cleric. this is the american-born imam now living in yemen who was followed by an has been followed by radicals throughout the world including apparently this 23- year-old from nigeria. you might remember the name because he was tied to the fort hood shooting. the american went on his killing spree and had apparently had some contact online and by way of the internet with this man on the screen. there is also traffic showing the 23-year-old nigerian, now arrested and possibly appearing in federal court today in detroit, was a big fan of the cleric's blog in a follower of this website. we're trying to put all this
together for you. good reporting at washington on this developing story throughout the day. uma: the snowstorm that pummeled the midwest and christmas is now making its last stand over new england. that region could get around half a foot of snow. sneaking up behind the storm is another system or the great lakes which could up more than a foot of snow on the surrounding area. janice dean has been tracking it and this year to break it all down. >> hello. i want to talk to bill because i know he has a big show coming up on new year's eve on a thursday. do you have a backup plan? bill: i do not know what is going on. is it rain or snow? >> that is 80s. we will have to wait and see. there is a storm system that could be a mix of rain, wind, and snow across the eastern seaboard on new year's eve. you'll have to stay tune.
maybe we can do the weather from the green screen that night. bill: we would be lucky. >> we will have to wait and see. this is what is left of the christmas storm swirling across the great lakes. it could bring half a foot to even 1 foot of snow, especially downwind of erie and ontario. look at all this snow falling over portions of upstate new york into new england. that will continue throughout the day today. then the low pressure will start off shore and will be very bothersome to anyone. we will sees no accumulation of the next 48 hours. we could see six to 12 inches easily. there is the developing system across the west that will move into the southwest over the next 24 to 48 hours and bring rain, even sleep, ice, snow to portions of taxexas and then across the southeast and moving
up the eastern seaboard. pretty chilly, especially across the upper midwest. you can see the temperatures. 55 in phoenix. you factor in what it feels like with the wind, it is the bitter with the wind chill. it feels like 14 in rapid city. not much of a wind chill in provo. chicago, 14. six in cleveland. 26 it feels like in atlanta. the cold air is in place. we will have to watch this next system. it could be very interesting, especially a lot of people want to know what is going to have the new year's eve for their outdoor festivities. like bill hemmer. bill: the thing is, cold weather, no problem. snow, no problem. but it is the rain. umbrellas are not allowed. it is security in times square. uma: it will be a pain if that happens.
uma: we're still buzzing about what you may be expecting on new year's eve. if you get some of that went remix, it could be some of that snow. you will be feeling very cold. bill: snow is ok. you expect the cold weather. it is the rain that could be an issue. uma: but how are you going to handle it if it does rain? thousands of people will show up anyway. bill: how about 1 million people in times square? in times square?