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rocking haiti a bit earlier today, this is new video from a magnitude 6.1 tremor, a biggy, the largest aftershock to hit the troubled island nation since, well, the devastating quake of eight days ago, and as i mentioned, this was significant today. reports saying it sent horrified locals pour going the streets, as ca imagine, if they're still under cover at that moment. this comes after another quake at the same fault line in the cayman islands, in gat mala on monday. a geologist joins us in a moment about where this is headed and we're live on the ground in haiti in a few moments. stay tuned for that. another fox news alert, hope to go hear from america's newest senator this morning. here he is, senator-elect republican scott brown, at a victory party last night, the republican candidate for ted kennedy's senate seat,
pulling off the improbable, beating democrat martha coakley in last night's election. here is some of what he said last night at his rally. >> hope they're paying close attention because tonight the independent voice of massachusetts has spoken! >> and if anyone, it anyone, does that in this next election season that's about to begin, let mem take a look at what happened in massachusetts. because what happened here, what happened here in massachusetts, can happen all over america. we are all witnesses, you and i, to the truth and ideals, hard work, strength of heart can overcome the political machine.
and it all started with me, my truck, and a very few amount of dedicated volunteers. however, it ended with an air force one making an emergency run to logan. and i didn't mind when the president came here and criticized me and talked about, you know, some of the things that he disagreed with me on, but let me tell you, when he started to criticize my truck, that's where i draw the line! bill: that's a little bit of tape from scott brown last night, good morning, welcome to "america's newsroom", i'm bill hemmer, great to see you again. martha: good to have you back here and bill has been following everything that's been happen in haiti, of course, and good morning, i'm martha maccallum in for
megyn kelly, and the other huge story today, the gop upset, a stunning loss for democrats, and for the white house this morning. senator-elect scott brown, surging from behind in one of the most remarkable turnabouts that we've seen in recent political years. just over the last few weeks, he got 52 percent of the vote last night, a disappointed martha coakley saying this: >> i'm heart broken at the result and i know that you are also, but i know that we will get up together tomorrow and continue this fight, even with this result tonight, because there will be plenty of wednesday morning quarterbacking about what happened and what went right, what went wrong, and i know that everyone, including me, i am brutally honest on my own performances, we will be honest about the assessment of this race, and although i am very disappointed, i always respect the voters' choice, and that's what i
told to scott brown tonight, and again, we wish him luck in his public service. martha: scott brown and his supporters are ready to see him go to washington, right now. listen to this. >> [chanting] >> the people, as you know by the votes, have now filled the office themselves and i'm ready to go to washington, without delay. martha: all right, but that will not happen today. there are procedural hurdles that need to be cleared first. massachusetts state law allows ten days to certify the results. that's to make sure there aren't igregularity that is could alter the outcome, among them the certification of absentee ballots from servicemen overseas, as soon as that certification comes in, brown will be sworn in. bill: meantime, some interesting election poll numbers into fox done by telephone, 61 percent of brown voters say the decifit
reduction is more important than health care reform, that poll conducted by ras mussence reports and it surveyed about 1000 massachusetts voters who took part in the special senate election. we'll examine those can karl rove in a matter of moments. martha: brown's victory brings the number of republicans in the senate to 41. that's an important number, that gives the party the power to block legislation with filibusters. the democrats' total slips to 57, they have two independents that round out the 100 seat chamber. how will the new balance of power affect the way that both parties approach the now increasingly important november mid-term elections? shannon bream joins from us capitol hill. shannon, is there a feeling in washington that the scott brown victory could send a big signal for what we may expect in the big races this fall? >> reporter: well g. morning, martha. as you would imagine, so much of that depends as far as the reaction on whether you have an r or a d next to your name, two very
different takes on what happened last night and how it ex-rap laves to the fall. if it does. let's hear from the man who has an i by his name, independent senator joe lieberman. here's what he says. >> clearly, there was an expression of dissatisfaction with the status quo in washington, maybe some specific anxiety about a lack of attention to the economy and some concern about health care reform. so i think anybody who is up for election this november ought to take seriously what the people of massachusetts had to say in that special senate election. >> reporter: and even a bit of a difference in tone in reaction from some top democrats. tim crane, who heads -- tim cain who heads up the democratic election committee says let's take a look at what happened as we head towards the fall but bob menendez, who heads up the races on the senate side , says let's not look at that race and think it says too much about the fall. it was unique, there were
special circumstances. he's not willing to concede it will impact the fall elections in any way, martha. martha: thank you shan hon. bill: has republicans take the victory lap, democrats are pointing fingers after the massachusetts election, the party and the white house trying to figure out what went wrong with martha coakley's campaign. a top democratic official calling t. quote, the worst debacle in american political history. that's a mouthful. karl rove, former senior adviser, deputy chief of staff to former president bush and fox news contributor, good morning to you, want to talk to you specifically about health care in a couple of minutes, but let's talk about the political fallout, the blame game, it is ugly, it's public. your take on that is what, now? >> i think it's an attempt by some inside the democratic camp to divert attention from the real problem facing democrats in the obama administration. they're trying to say this is all the result of a bad candidate, but look, she was attorney general of the state, she beat her competition in the primary by over 100,000 votes, she's
won statewide, she's an political fixure in massachusetts, she knows how to win there and being a bad candidate has not kept democrats from winning massachusetts. michael dukakis was governor twice, for god's sake. so i think it's an attempt to divert attention from what is really hurtful to the democrats and particularly to the obama administration, and that is the fact that scott brown won in a deep blue state because he talked about the obama administration and democratic initiatives in the last year and put himself on the opposite side of it when it came to decifit spending, health care, terrorism policies, and even things like the recent attempt to say we're going to levy attacks on banks, he courageously came out in the closing days of the campaign and said i'm against this because consumers who have their chicking accounts at those banks and small businesses that get their loans from those banks are going to end up paying more because of this new tax on these banks. bill: painted with a broad brush there. you pretty much took in everything. if you and the white house
were selling tickets in the four walls, what does the president do now? >> it's interesting, because remember, they've got a big decision to make. on the 27th of january, it's the state of the union address, which is the president's biggest mega phone, it's the biggest occasion he has in any year to set the tone for the balance of the year. and they've now had this terrible loss dealt to them in massachusetts, and they have a week to frame up a major presidential address. i was interested this morning, i read axle rod's comments, he gave a telephone interview in the aftermath of last night's elections and what was interesting was first of all what he emphasized, he said we've got to get the economy moving again, get people back to work, lift up incomes to get people more economic security, in other words, we're going to focus on jobs. that's what the american people have said was their number one job a year ago and which they think they didn't pay attention to. the other thing was the tone of dismissiveness about massachusetts. he said, quote, we're familiar with the results. as if they really didn't matter. but he also then said we've
got -- it would be terrible mistake to walk away from health care. so the white house is deeply ambivalent. on that the one hand they get the message the american people want to focus on jobs and the economy, on the other hand, they continue to be dismissive of the attitude in the country, and they're schizophrenic, they've got to resolve this not within the next seven days or three or four days to shape up the president's speech for the state of the union address. they're going to -- are we going to focus on the economy and pivot from health care or try to stay pushing health care through? bill: quickly, karl, then i'll move to health care after the break here. round out the political equation, you've got a president that's campaigned in three different states and gone o for three in a political sense, what does that do to new. >> it makes it very difficult for the democrats to -- democrats are going to scurry away from he and his policies between now and november. the democrats entered 2009 with 60 members of the united states senate, they
may exit 2010, after the elections, with as few as 52 or 53 senators. in fact if i were betting today, i suspect to see 50 democrats and two independents after this election. bill: karl, thanks, in a couple of minutes we'll talk about what happens with the health care vote. karl rove is still with us after the break here. martha, in the meantime. martha: we want to know what you think about this, log on to our website and vote in the you decide poll, go to foxnews.com and click on the link that asks what does scott brown's victory mean. cast your vote and see up to the minute results on that. you can also post a comment in the fox forum as well. also ahead, breaking news on a horrific crime in virginia, a man now in custody, suspected of gunning down and killing eight people. we have new details on what happened after a dramatic police standoff. bill's we mentioned the hissic vote last night, we'll hear from a top democrat in the house on what he plans for his health
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>> [chanting] bill: that was the crowd last night cheering for scott brown, the man who miss haid campaign on stopping the health care overall, the "rasmussen poll" found that 92 percent that voted for brown opposed the reform in congress, only five in favor of it. back to contributor karl rove, and karl, was it all about health care across the board, or did it have to do
with government spending or taxes? how do you see it? >> yeah, i think health care is representative of a broader toxic mix for the democrats on this. the failed stimulus bill, all the spending, all the decifits, all the red ink, all of these things, then the expansion of government, all of these sort of get represented in the health care bill. bill, there's another interesting thing, andrew mccarthy wrote about this this morning that caught my eye, he said terrorism played a big role, too, so i got in touch with people inside the brown campaign and sure enough, terrorism was a huge driver for the vote for brown, which was sort of interesting to me, and this was ackennate dollars, they felt, in the polls data when during the de date, attorney general coakley said there were no terrorist necessary afghanistan, but the terrorism also played a role here. so that's why i think very rarely do elections actually turn on one thing. we try to simplify it to that. they turn on a bunch of things, some of which are
representative for a broader range of issues and i think that's what happened here, spending, decifits, all of it. bill: back on health care, though, massachusetts already has health care, so are they voting against their own system or suggesting they don't like what they've seen in washington or they don't want to pay for the other 49 states, or what is it? >> i think you touched on a couple of them. brown himself made this point in the interviews in recent days and then again today, that -- in massachusetts, they said we won't want to have a system imposed on us from washington that we're going to have to pay for that is going to upset our situation here, and look, he was behind by 30 points a month ago, and won by five points yesterday. and why? what happened in the intervening time? we had this horrific christmas eve vote with the corn husband cer kickback, the louisiana purchase, then we had the secret negotiations at the white house, then we had those negotiations produce a special interest payoff, if you will, by saying if you're in a union or work for state or local government, you don't way the cadillac tax for five
years, but if you have a cadillac plan and work in the private sector, you start paying it now. i think this all combined to cause people to say this is what we don't like about washington, we ought to be fair, it ought to apply to everybody and we don't want this imposed upon us because we in massachusetts have already worked out our issue. martha: karl, martha maccallum, good morning to you, good to have you here today. >> good morning. martha: i want to ask you a larger sort of question about the presidency. if you're president bin laden and you wake up this morning, and you're looking at what's out in front of you, you're either going to in my mind look at this one of two ways. 11245 -- one is that, you know, somebody is driving your agenda down, you have enemies out there that are trying to sort of push what you want to do off the map and you're going to fight harder to make sure that you get where you think the american people elected you to go, or you look at it and as willie brown said on fox, voters are not supporting, and i'm pir phrasing -- paraphrasing him, voters are not supporting this agenda and i need to get a new
agendas president of this country. which way do you see the thinking going here at the white house this morning? >> i think their instinct is to do the former. in fact we've seen that, i saw that in axle rod's comment, he said it would be a mistake to give up health care. where it's all going to play out is going to happen in the next five days, the president's state of the union is going to show where he comes down on this. my gut tells me he's going to try and do both, say pitch on thing to do something about the deficit and spending but on the other hand i'm not going to give up health care. this goes to the fundamental problem of president bin laden, he cannot set priorities. he tries to do too much and as a result, spreads himself too thin. martha: karl, does that come from him -- excuse me for interrupting, but david axle rod, rahm emanuel, the people around him who help set this agenda, is there any vulnerability for these people at this point? >> at the end of the day the president sets the tone. i wrote about this a year
ago, i said i thought they were outsourcing too much and skittering across the surface of these issues, sending too much to congress. think of congress as a funnel, it's like a pipe, there's only so much you can stuff into that pipe and they've been stuffing a lot into this pipe and the more you stuff into that pipe and the more you outsource what goes into that pipe to congress, as they did with the stimulus bill and health care, the worse it gets. presidential leadership is powerful, but only if used sparingly and focused, and this president has not been focused. martha: karl, thank you so much, good to see you. bill: in a moment here, we had two serious earthquakes in the last three days, all across that same fault line, just south of the u.s. coast, the danger does not end there. in a moment we'll look at the quake at the -- with an expert. martha: and in california, mudslide warnings there. we'll be back with more in "america's newsroom".
martha: fox news alert for you, major developments in haiti again this morning, if you can believe it, the country was hit by a new massive earthquake. scientists say it was 56.1 temblor, the quake shaking buildings and sending scores of people into the streets. let's go to jonathan hunt, streaming live from port-au-prince airport in haiti. jonathan, what did this feel like this morning? >> reporter: two words, martha, absolutely terrifying. we were just about to do a live shot here from the roof of the airport building in port port-au-prince when it began to shake and sway. john how far this building moved but it felt like a heck of a long way, and it felt like it went on for a heck of a long time, and think of us on one of the more stable buildings still left standing compared to the hundreds of thousands of haitians, living among the
rubble, living among buildings, that if they didn't already fallen down to are about to. there's no doubt this will have caused many more injuries, many more deaths today. huge amount of work now for the search and rescue teams that scurried from here, they were on the roof, they're out there now, they're continuing their heroic work. there will be many more victims today, martha. martha: jonathan, what's the latest on the aid that's going to the people there, is it improving, is it getting to them? >> reporter: yes, it is improving, thanks in very, very large part to the u.s. military. they are getting the aid out there. the marines, the 82nd airborne, landed symbolically on the front lawn of the ruins of the presidential palace yesterday, essentially send ago signal to the people of haiti, we are here, your government may have collapsed, but we the u.s. military are doing everything we can to get you the aid. it cannot get there quick enough but everybody is doing their very best, martha. martha: incredible pictures we're watching of them
carrying out that work and a great job they're doing, thank you very much, jonathan hunt from port-au-prince. bill: the u.s. military is about the only thing working in that country. man oh man. massachusetts, going from blue to red in the senate, in three minutes, hear what leaders in the house and senate are now saying about the prospects for health care reform. that's up in a moment. >> it's very very clear as i travel throughout the state, people do not want the trillion dollars health care plan that is being forced on the american people, and this bill is not being debated openly and fairly. it will raise taxes, it will raise taxes, it will hurt medicare, it will destroy jobs, and run our nation deeper into debt.
martha: fox news alert for you, we're awaiting a police conference in virginia following the arresting of a man suspected of gunning down eight people, the suspect eventually turned himself into the police early this morning after a horrific multiple shooting. these are from the scene in appomattox, 100 miles south of richmond, police believe that christopher speight spot and -- shotald killed eight people, investigators discovered three bodies inside a home, three more outside. we have a live report from
the scene of that horrific crime. bill: in the meantime lawmakers launching new investigations into the failed christmas day bombing plot of this passenger jet into detroit, several congressional committees holding meetings on that, among them, the homeland security committee, and secretary napolitano is scheduled to testify. look there, screen left. lawmakers looking into the security lapses that allowed a nigerian suspect to smuggle these explosives on board that flight into detroit. also coming up in 30 minutes , k.p. mcfarland on what we can do to fix this country. martha: the battle over the country's debt ceiling is heating up again, the senate set to open debate today on a plan to raise once again the nation's debt limit. on christmas eve a short-term increase was approved, raising the ceiling to nearly $12.4 trillion, if you can believe it, just enough to cover the treasury's borrowing needs through mid-february. this new push could boost that legal ceiling for
borrowing above $13 trillion since march of 1962, congress has enacted over 70 measures that have altered the limit on just how deeply ce can go into debt. bill: scott brown pulling off democrats' worst fears last night, that republican candidate putting the president's plan to pass an overhaul bill in jeopardy. so then we ask today what in the world is next? jim angle, live in d.c. i guess it's gotten pretty interesting, jim, good morning to you. democrats were worried about this, have been thinking about the possibilities of scott brown winning, what then. what then? >> well, that is the question that has consumed washington for days, bill, what would the democrats do to advance their version of health care reform if scott brown won. many democrats feared he would, and were already search fog plan b such as trying to get the house to swallow their concerns about the senate bill, and just to prove the senate bill as --
and just approve the senate bill as is. take a listen. >> john. if the odds are good or bad. if it turns out to be the only path to health care reform, i hope that we'll pursue it. but it is tough, because house members don't like the senate bill. >> another democratic -- other democratic leaders are holding out hope the house would agree to vote for the bill as is and make changes later. he conceded house members would be a little skeptical but that would clearly be the biggest and quickest option to get the bill through. bill: if it is the quickest and easiest, why not do it? >> there are a lot of things house democrats don't like about the senate bill, some are saying we need to start over, some want to higher subsidies and that would mean tax increase, another 40 house democrats want tougher restrictions for funding abortions, with those and other differences, as speaker nancy pelosi prepared to meet with her entire caucus last night,
she refused to talk about embracing the bill which she has been insisted. take a listen. >> regardless of what happens in massachusetts, we still have to resolve the differences between our two bills, we still have to communicate with our members about the direction they want us to go in certain particular issues. >> so they need to find out what democratic lawmakers want to do now as they begin an agonizing reappraisal on what to do next. bill the scott brown victory, what does it suggest in a broader sense about health care reform? he ran against it and won, handily. >> he did. this was clearly a referendum on health care, among other things. brown made that abundantly clear, he talked about it in the campaign, he talked about it again last night. there is fresh evidence of how uncollar the democratic plan is. a new "wall street journal" poll finds 46 percent think the current health care reforms are a bad idea, while only 33 percent think they're a good idea. so when scott brown proclaimed himself as the 41st vote in the senate again the democratic health
reform bill, his poll numbers soared, and he won in a very democratic state. now, democrats blame each other for not explaining the reforms well, because they can't believe the reform package is unpopular, but that's what one poll off another shows and scott brown's victory is the latest evidence, bill. bill: thank you for that, jim angle is live in washington for us this morning. martha that is more. martha: pollster frank luntz spoke with a focus group of voters following the senate race in massachusetts, a doctor voiced his frustrations with the proposals from congress. take a listen to what he had to say. >> i'm a physician in this state and ci tell you that many physicians are very angry too at what the obama health care has been doing. first of all there's no malpractice reform in there at all, there's nothing that changes the medicare fix for physicians and if he's going to have a public health option in there as well, that's modeled after the medicare model, we're in big trouble. martha: for more on the state of health care reform, let's talk to democratic congressman anthony weiner of new york.
congressman, good to have you here this morning. >> thank you. martha: i read that you said you think the house leadership is whiff ling past the grave yard and we quoted nancy pelosi saying regardless of what happens in massachusetts we need to get together and work this bill out. where does it stand on capitol hill where you are this morning, congressman? >> well, we've been talking for the last six months about the need to get 60 senators. now we're down to 59. it's just a matter of reality that our dynamics can change dramatically. look, i think the president is an exceptional leader but frankly on the issue of health care he needs to be leading more, explaining to people what we need to do, leading the senate to take some things that perhaps they might not like. but right now i think we have to take a big step back and we democrats have to say okay we get the message, we can't move on as if nothing happened in massachusetts. it might not have been only about health care but it's clear we have a problem on this that issue. martha: what do you think the message is, to you, what's the message from massachusetts, congress
snawn. >> well, it's a lot of different things. you guys have been covering it from post to post, we had a candidate that wasn't very good, there's a national sense of unease, the economy is problematic, but as it relates to health care, it's been my view for the longest time, we've got to keep it much more simple. i believe a program like medicare that works, that's very popular in the country, let's expand it to cover not just people over 65 but 55 and incrementally grow a program that works rather than trying to do so many things at once that people have lost sight of. martha: to your credit you've stuck by your beliefs on what you think health care should look like in this country from the beginning and it hasn't been easy for you, when there's been a lot of push to compromise. do you have any hope in scrapping what is out there right now and starting from scratch and maybe doing some, you know, coordinating with the republicans to get a true health care reform bill that would satisfy you and what you think people need and want? >> well, perhaps. i don't hold out any hope
for my republican colleagues, from almost the word go they've made it clear their strategy is to stop anything from happening. that's a given. what we do have to do, though, is democrats, is say you know what, we've lost sight as we've tried to negotiate to get olympia snowe, joe lieberman, to get ben nelson, to get 60 votes we've looked at this as the fact that the american people don't look at this as a voting exercise, they look at it as health care. we have to get costs under cor, have to provide health insurance for those that don't have it, we have to solve the problem, but we also have to do something else. if we simply keep going on and say everything is normal, we're not going to be addressing the concerns of the american people. martha: david axelrod is warning against dropping health care, he doesn't want to push at this point, and the message all along really from the white house is you know, everything was negotiable and you're talking moments ago about a lot of the negotiating that went on, and i know a lot of
that didn't sit well with you for a number of reasons that you feel strongly about. what do you want the president to come out in the state of the union, what do you think his message should be? >> well, i think you hit it right on the head, they've made it clear that everything is negotiable, they want to get a bill and they've always said we can't let the perfect be the enemy of the good. i agree with all of that. but we also have to realize that big issues like this never happen without clear, full-throated, muscular presidential leadership so i'd like him to stand up at the state of the union and say listen, we understand that some americans have lost sight about what we're trying to do and even ce in -- we in congress have lost sight of it and essentially recalibrate and say here's the basic things we're trying to do, contain costs, provide coverage for those that don't have it and protect people when they have insurance from being abused by the insurance companies and there's a lot of things we can do within that construct that gets us to where we want to be. martha: and you want to see that leadership come from the white house. >> i do. martha: congressman weiner, thank you very much for being with us today. >> thank you. bill: jonathan hunt was
standing at this building in port-au-prince, a 6. o quake hit haiti, this comes after another quake on the fault line in the cayman islands, and the same fault line in guatemala on monday. in only three minutes we'll talk with a u.s. geologist about what's happening with this fault and the serious quake threat, and the central part of the -- in the central part of the united states. that's up in minutes, right here.
bill: want to get to our fox news alert, me mentioned this earlier a. powerful quake rat lick haiti -- rattling haiti, sending -- sending terrified people back into the streets, where they already were, one u.s. army sergeant said it felt like he was standing on a board, on top of a ball when it hit a. magnitude 6. o, that's significant, centered 35 miles from the capitol of
port-au-prince. they think the temblor started in haiti. one of the spots in the u.s. has been eerily quiet. it's the new madrid fault, it extends into missouri, tennessee, kentucky and the state of arkansas. could the two be related? on the phone is jerry paterson, memphis center for earthquake research. i want to talk to you about the new madrid but what is up with an earthquake, 6. o magnitude, eight days -- pitting port -- hitting port-au-prince # days later, is that normal in any sense? >> yes, bill, it is. after you have a large earthquake like the haitian earthquake, it's going to be followed by aftershocks that can continue for hours, days, months, even years after the main shock. bill: i can understand aftershocks but a rumbler of this size? >> you would expect it to step down in size related to
the main shock over time. the timing, how long that sequence lasts, is different for every earthquake sequence. bill: tell me what happened in the year 1811, in the part of the country where you are, near mem physical, tennessee. >> well, the u.s. isn't known for its earthquakes but certainly there's a history of large earthquakes that have occurred as sequences, at least over the last 1500 years, and their causes are enigmatic to the scientific community. we currently don't have a reason why the earth should have a large earthquake in a stable continental interior. there are a lot of good theories but we don't have a consensus. bill: specifically going back almost 200 years, that was quite a blast here, it rocked in mem physical, tennessee, people heard it and felt it in boston, massachusetts. is that how deep that fault line runs? >> well, that's part of the geological setting here. it's different than in california or near hispaniola, where the rocks
in the deep crust, ten, 20 miles deep are relatively hot and shattered in california and in haiti at depth, whereas compared to the central u.s., it's like a hard, cold, dense slab. we have cracks down there but energy travels great distances, some say ten to 20 times larger area than the same magnitude in california. bill: which makes that fault line in the central part of the country more precarious. the haitian quake was so shall oarks 6 miles into the earth and my understanding is in california, the quakes there happen at much greater depths, maybe three times as deep, maybe up to 20 miles. in the central part of the u.s., in the new madrid fault, is it deeper or more shallow? >> we don't really know. over the last 30 years, the deepest earthquake we have is about 18 miles. but certainly, the fault could go through the whole depth of the crust. we just haven't seen earthquakes do that. perhaps the larger earthquakes rupture more
deeply in the new madrid size mike zone. we're still trying to figure that out but certainly shallower quakes are closer to you to begin with, so the ground shakeing is usually going to be stronger in the central area. bill: i read that a 2008 study indicated that haiti's fault line was prime for a major quake. now, john how good we are at predicting this stuff. are we any good at it at all? >> in settings like california and hispaniola, these broken edges of the earth's crust, we can come up with differential rates, how fast the fault is moving. in california, it's about 36-millimeters per year, an inch and and 3/4, that's about how fast your fingernails grow, in hispaniola, it's about 7-millimeters, a few cent meters -- cent meters and much less than what we see in california. in the center of the united states, those rates don't seem to apply so we're trying to find a new tool kit to understand how energy builds up again. bill: one more thing here, why would it be so quiet in
mem physical, tennessee -- mem physical, tennessee, throughout missouri, while haiti has been rocking the past few days? >> the new madrid seismic zone, it will have short periods and you won't see anything for a period of weeks. over 30 years, the activity we're seeing in the last week is still in the characteristic behavior. we've had several earthquakes, small earthquakes this weekend, after a few days without any bill gary, you're a great guest, my friend, in memphis, tennessee, gary paterson by telephone. gary, thank you for your time today. >> you got it. martha: bill, we are waiting for a news conference out of central virginia, a deadly shooting rampage there, leaving eight people dead, the suspected gunman surrendered after an overnight man hunt. details are still sketchy on why all of this happened and how but police will
bill: we have this developing in california, evacuation orders underway where rain threatens hillside neighborhoods in and around los angeles. authorities have been going door to door telling hundreds of people to get out. yesterday a storm softened up the ground in that area and local leaders warn that significant rainfall could lead to devastating mudslides. frustration running high, because many folks have been asked to evacuate their homes a number of times due to the recent fires and the mudslide threats. here's one official. >> can't stress enough that this is not the time to stay. so that if you have been asked to leave and you have left, please don't be fatigued, please leave
again. >> the plan is to wait it out, because they've been crying wolf so long, maybe this might not be it. >> we'll get a live report out of california in our next hour here, so stay tuned for that for developments. martha: back now to virginia and the shootings there, police say that the suspect, his name is christopher speight, he surrendered this morning following a grizzly rage package in the town of appomattox, that's a town reut of richmond. molly line has the latest. what do we know so far and what do we expect to hear moments from now? >> reporter: hey martha. what happened this morning was police had been surrounding and circleing this remote wooded area where they believe that christopher speight had been hiding and this morning, he gave himself up to police. take a listen to what the sheriff said this morning. >> want everybody to know that at approximately 7:10, christopher speight was taken into custody without
incident. >> reporter: he's the sole suspect in the murder of those eight people. seven were found inside and outside a home, another one was found on a nearby road. police say speight knew his victims. martha? martha: what happens now? and what's the feeling of the community there about what the motivation was in all this? >> reporter: well, comments will be in ten minutes, we'll get an update of what's happening. police have said that speight is being interviewed this morning and 100 law officers have been pursuing him and tracking him over the course of the last day and night. now police are focusing on the motive, also identifying the victims and notifying the next of kin. as far as the feeling in this community, there's a little bit of relief that the man hunt is over, with no more loss of life or injury to anybody. but you know, a lot of big questions still remain, mainly why. martha: that's the biggest question of all. thank you very much, molly, we'll keep an eye on that news conference when it gets underway.
bill: in the meantime, talking about crooks, going to new line toss get your hard-earned money, the next thing to look out for the next time you hit an atm machine. we'll tell you about that. martha: and washington waking up to a new political war, a republican candidate most of the country never heard of a few weeks ago, and now massachusetts has changed the balance of power in washington. the toip adviser david akel rod moments ago talked about the road ahead now for the white house. we're going to tell you what he said, right after this. if anyone doubts that in this next election season that's about to begin, well, let them take a look at what happened in massachusetts. because what happened here in massachusetts can happen all over america.me of monopoly
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busy political morning, folks, just moments ago, white house advisor david axelrod saying the president will stick to his agenda. despite the political upset that we saw last night in massachusetts that has a lot of people wondering where we go from here and the republican winning the seat held by the democrats for more than 40 years. it is a huge upset, and welcome, everybody to a brand new hour of "america's newsroom." i'm martha maccallum in for megyn kelly. bill: i'm bill hemmer great to be back state side, a meteoric rise to the top, a few weeks back he was a relatively unknown senator out of massachusetts and today scott brown could be the key to rolling back america's health care overhaul in
washington. also, a sign, he is of what could be happening next november, listen here: >> throughout the race we had the machine scared and scrambling and for them it is just the beginning of an election year, filled with many, many surprises, i can tell you that. [cheers and applause]. >> they will be challenged, again and again across this great land. and, when there is trouble in massachusetts, rest assured, there is trouble everywhere and they know it. [cheers and applause]. bill: questions and issues to talk about this morning and stew on after the results last night, the wake of the stunning upset. how quickly will scott brown be seated? what does it say about the national political playing field? and one thing we know for sure, brown has a full agenda, especially on the home front. >> i want to thank my daughters for their help as well. [applause].
>> and, just to -- in case anybody who is watching, throughout the country, yes, they are both available -- [laughter]. >> no, no, no... no! >> only kidding, only kidding! [cheers and applause]. >> only kidding, only kidding. are rihanna is definitely not available. but aylor is. >> stop! bill: and there is that! carl cameron live in boston and late night for you, early morning as well and when does he get down to washington? >> we'll find out in about an hour-and-a-half, he has a news conference at the park plaza in a matter of moments and late last night the senator said he didn't think he'd need to get down to washington until the early part of next week and that is very much sliding, there is a great deal of work for him to do and obviously a tremendous
amount of preparation that needs to gets done in washington, and senators in d.c., on capitol hill would love to have scott brown there this afternoon, and they are going to make him the poster boy for republican change and as far as he is concerned last night's election is a shot that he thinks will be heard around the country. listen to this: >> if anyone, anyone doubts that in this next election season, that is about to begin, well, let them take' look at what happened in massachusetts. [cheers and applause]. >> because what happened here, what happened here, in massachusetts, can happen all over america. >> reporter: that is what republicans very much want to make happen and the reaction from democrats suggest that they at least have begun to hear the message and when scott brown comes down to washington they are suggesting he will be a vote
to kill health care, and that is misleading and he doesn't want to kill it but doesn't agree with what the democrats are doing and that is what republicans have been trying to say the better part of the last year in the health care debate and a new voice and will be a loud one, scott brown is coming to washington and we'll find out the next day or so exactly when. bill: terrific job last night, everybody from fox working on the story. >> reporter: thanks. bill: well done, martha. martha: new polls, inside the minds of massachusetts voters and a lot of people want to know what thinking went into the outcome and the rasmussen report says was your vote a vote for scott brown or against martha coakley and the question asked to those who supported scott brown and 7 6% were voting for brown, wanted to see him in the senate seat and 21% say a vote against the democrat, more than for brown and apparently, 3%, just not sure why they voted, but... they did. bill: still trying to figure out why, right? good luck with that, 3%.
get a clue! the outcome of the election in massachusetts, part of the bigger political picture, our pollster, frank luntz -- he's not our pollster, sat down with a group of voters, talking about the administration and the democrats' agenda and roll here and listen. >>... washington, sick and tired of the arrogance and sick and tired of them ignoring the will of the majority of american people. >> i don't think really everyone is upset with obama, i think it is the democratic congressional leaders, that are pushing him in the direction and he doesn't understand that that is not where the country wants to go. >> show of hands, who bothers you more, barack obama or nancy pelosi, who says barack obama, an who says nancy pelosi, it is a vote against nancy pelosi. >> thank you. martha: all right, and this is a "fox news alert," the democrats number 2 man in the house, steny hoyer moments ago staying democrats are this morning the -- discussing how to move forward on health care, just one of the issues that is now clearly hanging in the balance,
following the outcome of the massachusetts special election. joining us now is democratic congressman john yarmouth of kentucky from the house ways and means committee. good to have with you us this morning, welcome. >> thank you, martha, good to be with you. martha: there's a lot of reads on what happened last night and how do you interpret the vote in massachusetts that, you know, two weeks ago, nobody would have expected might happen? >> i think that is true. and i think what we have seen is, you know, emotion is always a part of the political equation and i think notice u.s., today, emotion has become the dominant equation. i think what we saw in massachusetts, was not that they want to return to a republican agenda. or that even scotts brown had an agenda. but, they are mad, understandably mad and frustrated and want somebody to show them a clear game plan forgetting the country back on speed and creating jobs and that is our obligation now -- martha: now -- >> as the party of power. martha: what do you do with that, a lot of americans are
disenchanted by the cornhusker deal and the unions deal where they wouldn't have to pay the extra tax on health care. and, i think a lot of folks, threw up their hands at that and said we thought things were going to be done differently now and they aren't and how do you combat that feeling among people? >> well, i think you are right, i think there was a great deal of frustration that mounted in the last few days, over the process. usually we say people don't care about the process, but the american people have been very directly and intimately engaged in this health care debate and have seen things that maybe have gone on for a long time and said, wow, this is horrible and we don't like the way it is being done and i guarantee you in the house, we didn't like the way it was being done as well and we have a bill we think approaches the health care reform dilemma in a very responsible way, and, i think what we are probably -- would be the best place for -- from my perspective for to us do the best thing on health care is to send pieces of the program, pass them here and send them to the
senate and let the american people digest it bit by bit or bite by bite because it is a full plate an complicated and all the surveys show people like the individual elements of what we in the house were trying to do. martha: i don't know, a lot of surveys say people don't like the plan at all. i mean, you do have to ask yourself, this morning, you know, what are we doing? and does it make any sense? and you are on the house ways and means committee, there are larger issues, big government, lots of spending that happened over the past year, and, you know, do you look in the mirror and say, this is not working? this agenda, this plan, may very well get us voted out of the majority in the house as well, perhaps? >> well, we know we have -- we have a challenge, no question about that. but, we also know that what we have had to do over the last few years with the t.a.r.p. bailout which again was part of the bush administration, and, then, the recovery act, these are things that nobody wanted to do, we were in a very serious emergency situation, the worst we have
faced in generations, and, so, we have had to do that and now it is our responsibility, as the party of power and the administration's, to, again, demonstrate that we have a clear game plan for job creation and economic growth. and that is the number one issue. health care is a part of that, clearly, but, i understand the american people, believe me, i talk to constituents every day, and they are frustrated but don't want us to back out of the game and want the government very much involved in the game but want a better sense of what we are doing. martha: what you said taps into something we'll hear more of probably from the white house as well, the health care takes second place, to jobs. in terms of -- >> i believe so. martha: the talking points and what we hear more about, congressman yarmuth, thanks for weighing in, we appreciate it. and fair and balanced, here's what the g.o.p. can take away from last night's victory with texas senator jon cornyn, chairman of the republican senatorial committee. senator cornyn, welcome, good morning, good to sey today. >> good morning. martha: when we watch the focus group, a moment ago, frank luntz
was speaking to, they -- their outrage is leveled more at congress and what is happening in washington than president obama, who remains personally popular. you know, i'm sure there is a lot of joy today on the republican side of the fence, in -- and capitol hill but there has to be a big message that is being sent. and what do you think republicans need to do with that message today? >> well, clearly the american people have been shut out of the process by which health care reform has been negotiated through sweetheart deals, behind closed doors, here in washington. and, clearly this is a referendum against that kind of deal-making that the american people felt shut them out and which they found, frankly, repulsive. but i think, the point you also raised earlier, that this is a matter also of misplaced priorities and the number one issue the american people care about is getting america back to work. and the misplaced stimulus bill, which was supposed to keep unemployment at 8%, is
unemployment is at 10% and we know that that is the most urgent matter on the agenda, of the american people. and first and foremost i think scott brown is entitled to the credit for running a great campaign and sensing the mood of the people of his state in a way that allowed him incredible victory. so, congratulations to scott brown. bill: i thought it was interesting... martha: i thought it was interesting, barney frank said our respect for democratic procedures must rule out any effort to pass a health care bill as if the massachusetts election had not happened. there seems to be two camps now in washington. and, what we are hearing from the white house is from david axelrod is, you know, damn the torpedoes and straight ahead and that, stick to the agenda, and stick to the mission, he said. is what he wants to do and then you hear other sides, saying, look, we need to recalibrate and rethink the way we are doing this, which side do you think will win? >> well, the problem here in washington is, the arrogance that you see demonstrated by the
majority that says we don't care what the american people think when clearly they were trying to jam through a health care bill that the american people did not want. that had very low approval ratings. but didn't seem to make any difference, well, i think what everyone, in public office, needs to do is to listen. and, i think the american people, through the voters of massachusetts, were trying to tell us something and that is, we need to stop this terrible health care bill and start over, as scott brown said, and do something that will help bring down the costs and make it more affordable and make sense. martha: senator, i have a minute to ask you about your role as chairman of the senatorial committee you look at the race, some people have said that your committee, you know, was kind of out to lunch on this issue in massachusetts for too long, and others say, hey maybe that was a good thing, scott brown proved himself an independent thinker and actor, how involved should your committee be in all of these races that you see coming up over the next 11 months? >> martha, we were very involved and there's a great story in politico that talks about our
involvement but we didn't want to point the attention to ourselves. we thought it was more important to keep the attention on scott brown. and the voters in massachusetts. rather than to bring it -- points the finger at people in washington, or people from texas, like me. so, i think it obviously worked very well, the money we put into this race was well spent, thank goodness scott brown ran a great campaign, and that he had more money than he knew what to do with when it came to combating negative ads, against him, so, i think it worked well, as evidenced by the outcome last night. martha: a lot of months ahead, in all of this, thank you, very much, senator cornyn, always good to see you. >> thank you. bill: we want to know what you think, log onto our web site, voting today's "you decide" poll at foxbusiness.com and click on the link that asks, what does brown's victory mean? and otherwise, known as what can brown do for you and cast your votes and see up-to-the-minute results and post a comment on our fox forum on-line now at foxnews.com.
martha: so much going on right now in washington and there are two different, very important senate hearings underway as we speak. each is trying to get answers on how to head off another possible terror attack like the one we saw on christmas day. trying to fix the system. we'll tell you what is on the table to do that in a couple of minutes. bill: also, on the ground word out of l.a., sheriffs deputies heading out to pull people from their homes, if need be, as these dangerous mudslides threaten entire communities, we're on the story, too, live, here in "america's newsroom." út@@@
bill: we know on capitol hill, hearings are happening now, congress demanding ansdz on the security failure that occurred in detroit on christmas day. and you will see screen left, homeland security, screen right, senate judiciary, both asking questions about how a man was able to board an american jetliner bound for detroit, michigan from amsterdam with explosives strapped to his body and k. t. mcfarland, former deputy assistant secretary of defense under president reagan, how are you today, nice to see you. you say in a weird way the
christmas day body bomber may have done us a favor. how do you figure that. >> eight years later, billions of dollars later the system is broke en and doesn't work and we have to reinvent the system and we're still sic taking our shoes off and they have moved onto underwear. bill: how do we make it better. >> stop looking for ingredients and start looking for terrorists, we are still treating granny from grand rapids the same way we are treating a muslim youth, come -- >> isn't that profiling. >> it's not racial profiling but behavioral, it is terrorist profiling. there are certain characteristics we need to look for, because, the problem is if we focus on everybody we are not focusing on anybody. bill: you don't screen the 70-year-old woman. >> right. bill: the israelis would say, well, the terrorists will figure out a way eventually to get the -- they'll find a 70-year-old woman to carry out their duties. >> but we have a much bigger system than el al for example has, the israelis have and we
need to do what they are doing and when we pat persons down, they are looking for stuff and they are looking in the person's eyes as they are patting him down and maybe there is something, he is trying to hide, it is behavioral. bill: it is apples and oranges when you compare the system and they deem with far fewer people. >> and fewer people and fewer flights... bill: and to that degree can train people better and need fewer people and you know, we will not do that in detroit and minneapolis. and columbus. and every other airport in the country. >> we have to get practical and the problem, the system as we now have it, we are always a step behind and looking for this last incident and not forward to the next incident. and, the second thing we need to do, is you know, when we get people who we think are terrorists, we shouldn't let them remain silent, we should interrogate them, the christmas day bomber got off felony and according to the former attorney general he was babbling like a brooke. bragging there were another 30 yemeni trained terrorists.
bill: and gets a lawyer -- >> louder up and clams up. bill: and that is an excellent point and karl rove made the point last hour and i don't know how you feel. but he was reflecting on the massachusetts election, and one of scott brown's platforms for winning was apparently how we are dealing with terrorism today. do you agree. >> absolutely. absolutely. bill: in what way. >> scott brown went into the topic and he said, we're treating citizens like terrorists, and treating terrorists like citizens and we have to profile them, not racial profile, but profile them and we -- >> and massachusetts, he was running on -- >> internal polling indicated it was a serious problem in massachusettses. they did not -- >> interesting. >> not confident the president is keeping us safe with the new sales. bill: thanks, foxnews.com, hosting a show. >> defcom-3, 10:00 on foxnews.com. bill: go navy. >> state army! bill: every time. here's martha with more now. martha: a new warning on what is expected to be a popular financial crime this year.
bill: "fox news alert" from washington, and this concerns the -- the couple accused of crashing the white house party a few months back, the sahalis, face-to-face with the homeland security committee and made a brief opening statement and said they would plead the 5th amendment and -- in response to questions. these are live pictures, now, of the couple, as they sit side by side and congress demanding answers how they slipped past white house security. and, hobnobbing with the vice president, joe biden and a gaggle of other washington bigwigs, not just joe biden, everybody there that night,
right? and the salahis refused to testify and they were subpoenaed to testify today and that is why they are there and they took the 5th, and we'll have their comments in a few motor and the hearing continues in some manner or fashion in washington on capitol hill. martha: quite a picture, isn't it? all these things going on in the world... anyway, "fox news alert," one of the most pressing matters in the world in haiti, the country, hit by another powerful aftershock this morning. this one measured 6.1 on the rick richter scale, and jonathan serrie is live on the ground in leogane, and tell us what is happening where you are. >> reporter: yeah, martha, we felt that aftershock here in the cow pasture where we slept with the marines of the 22nd marine expeditionary unit, they are staying here because they are securing the field to land helicopters with humanitarian
supplies. as we were sleeping here overnight, many of us felt this slight rumble, just a minor tremor, one marine tells me that he actually felt two separate tremors and then, this morning, just after sunrise, i was standing up, and just felt the ground shaking, back and forth. you looked at the palm trees and they were swaying, back and forth. rustling of the palm fronds and it must have lasted only five seconds and nevertheless, created quite a commotion and all of the livestock made a lot of noises and the local residents were coming out and trying to figure out what was going on and now, this is video from yesterday, as some of the humanitarian helicopter missions are coming in with supplies, right now, the focus is on food and water, and we are told that water, especially is in high demand. now, the marines here ordinarily load up the supplies, onto u.n. trucks, which take them to staging areas, but, yesterday,
they got one shipment, after the last u.n. convoy arrived, the crowds have been pretty orderly, so the marines made the call, to start passing out the food rations and the water themselves. and, the great. crowd remained very well-behaved and in fact this morning, some of them came back, slicing coconuts, handing them to the marines. back to you, martha. martha: much appreciated, their hard work, jonathan serrie reporting from haiti. >> so many people need help you wonder about the tent cities that can be erected. there is no shelter for hundreds of thousands of people and maybe the u.n. can manage that in a matter of weeks, they are good at that. martha: literally from everything you say, it needs to be completely rebuilt. bill: and the u.n. has done that well in a lot of third-world countries and can do it well in haiti, but who keeps the peace? inside the tents, if you don't have haitian police and haitian army, up and running it might fall on the u.s. military and could be the next wrinkle in the the story. martha: you said it was remarkable what an amazing job
they did. bill: outstanding and we have been at war for fine yeanine ye the members of the military, air force, marines, and they have been trained nine years and when they come into the port, everybody else looks like they're in the minor league and it is massively impressive and a big shottout to the air force who gave us a ride out of there, monday afternoon and state side, the senate debating a massive increase in the government's debt cereal, the limit on how much money we can spend and many tell pollsters they are up in arms about government spending and the top republican on the senate finance committee, weighs in, his take, in only three minutes.
martha: there are two very important senate hearings into the attempted christmas day bombing of flight 253 that are now underway. with another one scheduled to begin this afternoon. all aimed at figuring out who dropped the ball in the lead-up to that attack so we can prevent similar intelligence breakdowns in the future, very important stuff and catherine herridge is on it live in washington. what is the bottom line in these hearings and can we expect any real change? >> reporter: well, martha, these hearings today are really a post-mortem on flight 253 and specifically on the effectiveness of the institutions that were created
since 9/11, to help with connect the dot. and the director of national intelligence, who overcease the oversees the intelligence agencies and the national terrorism center whose job it is to collect the disparate pieces of information, i have to say the chairman of the senate homeland security commission joe lieberman said those in the government who dropped the ball ought to be disciplined or removed and specifically the ranking republican on the committee, susan collins, pointed to the state department, and she said, given what we knew at the time, about be a abdul mutt tab leb, the state department should have revoked his visa and we learned new information about the suspect in the case, umar farouk abdulmutallab, and the terrorism center said they knew about his extremist ties from his father and had a partial name but no one was able to take all of the information and connect it to prevent the kid from getting on the plane. martha: it raises questions about exactly the areas that you
talked about, and the dni is supposed to oversee all of the agencies and the joint task force which is supposed to put them together and what is said about that? >> reporter: well, i think one of the mosts important moments in the hearing, came from the director of national intelligence, and the head of the nctc, and when they said, in effect, analysts are busy sharing information, after 9/11, the culture became one to share information so everyone had actions to all of it, but, no one was taking ownership of important piece of information, in effect, taking responsibility and saying, hey, this is important pieces of information and i need to run it down and i need to see if something is there and they say that was the case, with the bits and pieces of information they had about the 23-year-old nigerian, and everyone is sharing, but no one is taking the lead and taking responsibility. for important pieces of intelligence. martha: disturbing and hopefully they'll get somewhere with that. thank you very much. catherine -- catherine herridge.
bill: and a sex and money case involving senator ensign, who admitted to an extramarital affair with a former campaign aide in june, and he also acknowledged arranging a payment of $100,000, to the aide and her husband and helping her husband gain employment at a lobbying firm and the fbi nd declining comments on the case and he's also being investigated by the senate ethics committee. on that case. martha: the fox news alert, tareq and makala salahi, the white house party crashers face-to-face with the homeland security committee and a live look on capitol hill as they are being questioned and the hearing is dubbed, secret service and present tension protection and -- an examination of a system failure. and congress demanding answers on how they managed to slip past white house security, hobnobbing with the vice president and a gaggle of other washington bigwigs and trying to figure out how that could happen.
>> how a state dinner hailed on november 24, 2009, as part of a reality tv stunt. >> mr. chairman... i am under a nondisclosure agreement and should not discuss matters related to the television matter. >> well, that is not the answer. let me give you another chance to -- >> well... mr. chairman, on advice of counsel i respectfully assert my rights to decline to answer your questions. martha: doesn't look like they are getting too far and they originally asked them to testify and they refused, and the committee subpoenaed them to appear today and that does not seem to be getting them very far, either, they are taking the 5th. bill: and a "fox news alert," getting reports the white house is on the brink of an agreement to raise the debt ceiling 1.8
trillion dollars, between 13 and 14 in the end and not expected to get the necessary votes in necessity and all signs pointing to an executive order to get it done and new hampshire republican senator judd gregg, ranking member of the senate budget committee, my guest from the hill. senator, good morning, how high will we go here? >> well, not very well, i'm afraid. you know, you can't do this with an executive order, for a variety of reasons, first, it is a partisan order and the commission has to be bipartisan and to be bipartisan you have to have a vote and have a republican -- republicans supporting it as well as democratses and secondly, executive order does not bind the congress, and the purpose of course is to make sure the commissions report on the proposals that i put forward in the -- to senator conrad comes to a vote, up-or-down vote on the proposal of the commission, without amendments, after it has been reported by the commission, by super majority, so, that it is bipartisan and fair. and, that can't be accomplished by executive order and there can
be protestations if there will be a vote by the senator reid or speaker proposal but senator reid's case he can't control the senate because as we know, the senate is made up of 100 individuals and we have significant rights and if we want to hold votes up or force other votes, basically, you can do that under the rules of the senate, as a practical matter unless you have a statutory structure, you cannot accomplish the goal which is to put in place a group of folks who are committed to trying to do something about the out year fiscal in solvency of the country and get their proposal to -- proposals voted on and i see -- >> to be honest -- i'm sorry. >> your point. bill: to be honest, i see this as a cynical act on the part of the white house. because, basically -- the senate bill, what they are doing is essentially undermining the capacity to do it the right way which is by statute, and rather coming out and saying they support the conrad satter to approa-- statutory approach they give themselves political cover and
democratic members political cover to vote against the statutory approach, the only way to do this. bill: are you predicting the moderate democrats will bolt on this idea, are you aware what evan byah said last night, lose massachusetts and that is a "wake-up call," you -- if that is not a "wake-up call" you cannot wake up. and the senator from indiana. >> evan is a very hard -- hard over on this issue and has been very aggressive in taking the position that there needs to be a statutory commission, and he is -- even voted against it, the last time around, i believe, and evan is clearly going to stay with the issue. but as a practical matter the reason the white house is doing this, and setting up this executive order is to give people political cover especially in this house, i suspect, if not the senate. bill: on health care, harry reid apparently was on the florida -- floor of the senate and said democrats will press ahead on the agenda for health care reform, how do you react to this? >> well, he doesn't win in massachusetts. you know, i mean, i think the
message is clear the american people would like us to step back and do -- take another look at this effort and sure, there needs to be health reform but what the american people are saying is you cannot explode the size of the government the way it's being exploded under the health care bill, and some of the other things that have been passed here recently, and pass all of this spending onto our kids, and huge government onto our kids and debt onto our kids and not expect they -- that we will not end up undermining the quality of life of our children and passing less opportunity onto them, than we received to our parents is not an acceptable approach and americans, it is pure common sense, the american people, you cannot continue to run up these huge government programs, and expect us to be a fiscally responsible country, and have our kids live -- have a better life. and, so, the message is pretty strong, delivered with unequivocalcally in one of the most liberal states in the country, by the voters. of massachusetts. and i would hope that the leadership of the sentence, and the democratic leadership of the house, speaker pelosi, would
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rasmussen took a poll after the votes were tallied and he has some interesting thoughts about this and it might not be a health care election, after all. see you on "happening now." martha: listen to this, a troubling report, this week suggesting a growing number of crooks are trying to take advantage of you when you go to your bank account and least expect it. and it can happen after you leave the atm. the national security experts say atm skimming is what they call it and suspected to be one of the most prevalent types of fraud in banking that customers face this year. but there are ways that you can keep your money safe, and an identity fraud prevention expert and ceo of e-identify incorporated joins you, good to have you here and how are they getting your information, i go to the atm and punch in my pin number. >> they -- on the front they take a device called the card skipper and put it on this -- skimmer and when you put your card in it reads the information off of it and in addition to
capturing your card information, there is also a camera nearby, watching your key strokes and now they gathered -- martha: they are getting the camera already in the bank -- >> no, installing. martha: installing it. >> next to a brochure holder and possibly a mirror that is next to it, and it is -- martha: whose responsibility is the bank or the person who runs the machine, tor making sure they keep the area safe. >> the banks should be securing the area the same way they secure their lobby and secure every other part and should be looking at these devices and making sure they are safe for their customerses to use and the fact is, though, a lot of banks don't. martha: how do they get the number and i put my card in and punch in the number and they are going in right after i leave and putting the skim card in there. >> no, the skimmer takes the numbers off and stores it as if you went into a restaurant and you see a waiter coming and they skim your card there, that is a card skimmer. martha: and they have it. it is insane to me that there isn't -- you are saying that the
best way to protect yourself is to do your transactions in a very public place, right. >> choose your locations very carefully. it is just like anything else, when you are trying to protect yourself, the first thing is, know the vulnerability is there. and you are susceptible to this crime. it is the same way as if you walk in to a particular neighborhood at night, pick your area but the first thing is education, knowing that it is there and the second thing is, look at the atm before you actually stick your card in there. you -- martha: what am i looking for no they are cleverly hidden but you can see anything that is an extension of the existing atm you should be wary of. martha: the skimmer, they attach it to where i put my card. >> it looks like a natural attachment to the atm machine. martha: who are these people and where are they lurking and what is their past.
>> i wouldn't say there is necessarily a standard profile. but they are your every day criminal, and a -- in a lot of cases like -- martha: organized crime. >> absolutely. and we are talking about, you know, credit card fraud representses $89.6 billion a year in losses, so, it is a significant number, so, just another, a new way of perpetrating an old crime. megyn: you have to keep a close eye on answer traction, to tip off, if something is happening. >> you do, there are a couple of things, obviously, education, being aware, exposing the fact that it's a problem and number 2, choose your atms carefully and know the vulnerability is there and one in your bank's lobby will be safer than one that may exist on the street, or in a mom and pop store. and continue to monitor your accounts, absolutely, and, one other thing that is really helpful is if you are going to use either a debit card as a credit card, or an atm, one way
to limit your exposure is actually setting up two accounts, one where you keep your general funds and the other one where you actually do those transactions. and limiting your own liability. martha: look for anything that might be attached and the cameras, should i hide when i punch my numbers. >> absolutely. martha: okay. all right. thank you very much. bill: good to know. bill: well done, 12 minutes before the hour and mudslide fears prompting evacuations and william lajeunesse is standing by. good morning, what do you have. >> reporter: good morning, bill, as you said the evacuations are underway. already. but the big fear is mudslides, and flooding, inn in those areas, ravaged by wildfires this summer and the story is coming up from southern california. body lotion wraps and seals hydration deep inside, improving skin's condition 2x more than eucerin original. heal on a deeper level.
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bill: back now, with developing stories outs of california, the golden state battered by a string of storms, over the last several days and the most powerful one yet, expected to move in today, the l.a. fire and police departments ordering a mandatory evacuation of numerous areas and the risk of mudslides after a wildfire last year stripped nearly all of the hillside of their protective vegetation and they need it to take rooted and will lodgeness is live in kenyatta, california and where is that relative to l.a. and what are the conditions now? good morning. >> reporter: good morning, bill, we have got about 5 inches of rain, so far, and we are expecting 8 more today and tomorrow. now, it's not that california doesn't need the rain, reservoirs are less than 50% capacity, but, not all at once, now, the primary area of concern is as you talked about, are these wildfire areas, we had 7 wildfires over the summer including the station fire, 250
square miles and right now we are in the foothills and one of these communities, basically, on the back side, the south side, of the san gabriel mountains and what is happening? you can't see it because of a lot of the fog up there. but, they have been working all night, bringing out over 12 dump trucks of mud, out of the drainage, and when we expect rain, 11:00 this morning, you will see a river of mud and debris, and it hayes consistency of wet concrete, not like water and can literally knock over buildings and 16 people were killed the last time we had a major one and they've installed not only sandbags but also the k-rails, they call them to channel the mud out so it doesn't destroy homes and video we had med, mainly flooding around the 710 freeway, waist high water and traffic nightmare, four waterspouts and a tornado, very high winds, knocked over a building, and we are having major traffic
problems this morning as belle well, bill. bill: you heard the warning, too, william, about officials urging people to get out in case they were in precarious areas? are people listening to that and how many people have evacuated? >> reporter: well, they are looking -- put out the word last night and had the reverse 911 system and i wanted to show you the vehicle, pointed outwards and it's happening in this neighborhood as well as others in the the san gabriel mountains, car pointed out 9:00 this morning, expecting 500 people, to be under a mandatory evacuation, all the way until monday. because again we expect significant rain today and even more tomorrow. back to you. bill: and william lajeunesse on that story and he'll be on it all day today, thank you and the days to come, william, thanks. martha: we are awaiting a news conference with massachusetts senator-elect scott brown who pulled off a huge surprise election victory last night turning politics in his state and perhaps around the country, on its head. what does it mean for the future
bill: -- >> i want to thank adriana for their help as well. and just in case anybody who's watching throughout the country, yes, they're both available! [laughter] >> no, no, no. no, -- [laughing] >> only kidding! only kidding! only kidding! only kidding! arianna definitely is not available, but ayla is! [laughter]
martha: he's digging that hole. they're like dad! how could you! bill the whole country is watching and his wife is trying to get him to shut up, too. martha: she's like honey, honey, this is your moment. bill: that was one heck of a vote last night. martha: it sure was. bill: and the the tentacles are reaching out, not only just in washington but the policies considered, so these are issues we're chewing on throughout the day. martha: interesting to watch the family. the doctor, standing next to him, she was a runner up on american idol, the wife is a news anchor. they're ready for the big time. bill: scott brown will have his first live reaction, we'll keep an eye on that. that podium, there out of boston, massachusetts. martha, great to be back. martha: nice to have you back and thank you for bringing us that story in the best way possible. it was an incredible story. "happening now" starts now. jon: we begin with the fox