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political side, they're digging a deeper divide, the president heading up to baltimore, to face a tough crowd, the president addresses the house republicans at their annual retreat, what will he say about jobs, will the two sides meet or will they? new details on what will go down today and more on that developmenting story in a minute. in the meantime, a new story, new word the obama administration is looking for another option to try the 9/11 terror suspects rather than in downtown new york city. as you likely know that trial will include the self-professed mastermind of the attacks that killed nearly 3000, khalid shaikh mohammed, on screen here, the trial supposed to be held in a federal court within walking distance of where the twin towers once stood. there has been a major public outcry in new york and now we hear it out of congress, both the house and senate side, and new york's once supportive mayor has second thoughts in addition to that. here's mike
bloomberg. >> it would be great if the federal government could find a site that didn't cost a billion dollars, which using downtown will, and it will also impact traffic and commerce and peoples' lifestyles downtown and it would be great if we didn't do it. my hope is that the attorney general and the president decide to change their mind, but if they don't, we will provide the security that will keep everybody safe. bill: in the meantime, looks like it's not going to happen. anyway, we think it's a reversal. good morning, that's where we start, i'm bill hemmer on a friday. martha: good morning, bill, and good morning, everybody, on friday morning, i'm martha maccallum, big news we've just been talking about, the justice department is now exploring other venue options for the trial for ksm and others in the 9/11 cases. the ultimate decision, though, really lies with congress in the end. bill: we're hearing from republicans, and now a
bipartisan chorus of sorts, opposition to that growing question, ultimately, where would you go? eric shawn, following developments live in new york. first from the beginning, what happened? >> reporter: bill, it could be a big blow to the obama administration, and a big win for the residents who live right next to the courthouse. by my accounting, just barely 30 feet from the corner of that courthouse is a major apartment building, the decision to hold the trial in that federal courthouse, you see on the left. if you look into the windows, this view is from that apartment building that we visited. so you can see exactly how close people live to the federal courthouse in lower manhattan. this is what happened. a firestorm after this decision by the administration to hold the trial of khalid shaikh mohammed and his alleged cohorts in the white house. the -- in the courthouse. the white house is asking the department of justice for an alternative site if it's kneed. a firestorm, not only residents, but mayor bloomberg, attorney general
eric holder demanding that the trial not be hold there and long island's peter king introducing a bill that could prevent department of justice funds from being used to fund the trial. that seemed to be one of the tipping points. here's what king said on fox news a few moments ago. >> the decision is a step in the right direction, because these terrorists belong in military tribunals, they belong in a military installation, guantanamo would be an ideal solution, but there's no place in this country to have this foisted upon them. i said then and i said now, the president's decision, the attorney general's decision, to hold these trials in the new york in november was the most irresponsible decision any president has ever made. >> reporter: it seems if the funding is potentially cut off by doj, that has forced the obama administration to consider other locations, bill. bill: we're working through this this morning. thank you, sean. in a moment, opinions certainly strong on this, a former justice department
official will react to this, moments away. martha: we want to know what you o'clock about this, should the obama administration move the 9/11 terror trials out of downtown manhattan. go to our fox news website, foxnews.com, and once you're which -- there, you can click on the you decide option and vote. you can also view the results and think about -- see what other people think about this hot issue. it's not a scientific survey, it's a chance to get out there and express your opinion on this story. it wasn't a long time ago that nobody thought that decision would be reversed and a lot of the victims' families were very upset about this. here's what you do, you can speak out. bill: what are you going to do now? if you've got two democratic members of the senate in new york saying not here, the mayor saying not here, the mayor of white plains in new york saying not here, where do you go? we'll put that question to victoria in a few minutes. in the meantime, a fox news alert, we about a little bit in the state of the union address, president obama set to impose tripling the loan guarantees for new
nuclear reactors, more than $54 billion, this goes along with his comment the other night that nuclear energy is something we should pursue in america, which has not always been the case on the left, but we're getting movement now from the white house on that, and we're watching. just crossing the wires right now. again, we'll see the president make his way to baltimore later today, and make sure you stay tuned to the fox news channel for that address, when he meets with house republican leaders. we'll cover that live today. martha: big big news this morning, a large number that came out for gdp that looks like the u.s. economy is seeing better days. you got to feel good about this green air oarks 5.7% in the gdp growth, this came in from the commerce department just a short time ago, and that's a faster than expected number that we're seeing here, economists were looking for a number not quite as strong as that, and it's also the quickest pace of growth in more than six years. but as is always the case with these kind of numbers you can look at both sides of this story. we want to get a little bit of a handle on this from
stuart varney, who is joining us now. stu, you know, this is a good number. >> oh, martha, this is a very good number. 5.7%, growth, best in six years, make no mistake, this is a very good number, and the obama administration is going to jump all over it and say look, our policies have dragged us out of recession, we're moving onwards and upwards, that will be the spin on the administration. justifyiable, 5.7% growth is good indeed but a couple of points, one, we lost jobs in each of the last three-months of last year, so even though we got growth, they were still -- we were still losing jobs, not good news politically. second, some of that growth, not a lot, but some of that growth came because they were restocking the warehouses, restocking shelves, after dragging down inventories in the early part of the year. that's not real solid growth that's going to be continued. so the word is 5.7% growth is an aberration, don't look for that to continue in the early part of 2010.
not at that pace. martha: but you know, stuart, when you look at t. it hasn't shown a difference in the jobs rate, which you point out. but it does prove that companies are getting a little bit more -- a little leaner, a little meaner, they're turning out more with fewer people employed, and in the end, if that helps them with their balance sheets and helps them tighten up what they're doing, won't they down the line be able to hire more people? >> yes, but that's some way down the line. what you're talking about is productivity. you can turn out more stuff with the same number of people. you don't need to hire more people. that's productivity. long term improves profitability, yes, long term sets the table for more hiring, but not right now. martha: all right, let's talk about the debt ceiling, which congress has now approved, this increase in the debt ceiling, $1.9 trillion. they raids -- they raised it. they will not have to go back to the table and do that before november. politically, this is a good move for them, they're not going to have to go back and say we want to borrow even
more and that will be sort of old news by the time november rolls around, right? >> that's very true. look, the size of our national debt is a political negative, nobody wants to see us $14 trillion in the hole and politicians don't want to vote it, but they have, but this means we won't have to go back to the well for permission to borrow more until probably 2011. then we'll need to extend the debt beyond the 14.3 trillion that we've got now. martha: yeah, interesting editorial this morning. the people of this country are concerned about the debt, and that the white house and congress haven't gotten that message yet. that could be a very important element as we head into the election. stuart varney, great to see you this morning, stu. >> thank you. martha: have a good day. bill as we mentioned earlier, president obama takes off soon for baltimore, maryland, addressing house republicans and reaching out to the other side, days after he described a worsening partisanship issue in washington during his state of the union address. listen here. >> washington may think that saying anything about the other side, no matter how
false, no matter how malicious, is just part of the game. but it's precisely such politics that has stopped either party from helping the american people. worse yet, worse yet, it's stalling -- forming further division among citizens, further distrust in our government. bill: house republican leaders are already saying they're skeptical. molly henneberg is live at the capitol with more. it's cold. >> reporter: it's cold, bill, there are 178 house republicans, and most of them will be here today in baltimore for the annual house gop retreat. congressman mike pence, who is chair of the house republican conference, is holding a bhng reporters this hour to give everybody the lay of the land, but the main event today as you've been talking about is the president will be speaking to house republicans today, and congressman pence says he hopes it's just not another speech, rather an exchange of ideas that maybe will encourage the president
to, quote, consider our agenda. republicans have a little bit of wind in their sails these days, after gubernatorial and senatorual wins in virginia and new jersey and recently massachusetts. bill: so that's a little bit of the reaction on the republican side. what do we expect the president to say, molly? >> reporter: well, he'll be speaking for ten minutes, and then he'll do a q and a with lawmakers and that q and a is closed to cameras, so they'll be able to ask him any questions and have what republicans will hope will be a frank discussion. the president suggested in his state of the union that he'd like to meet monthly with gop leaders, and the house republican leader john boehner said hey, i've never been won to refuse a meeting with the president but house republicans and the president have been pretty far apart on issues like health care and spending. bill: see what you can do about getting a camera inside for the q & a. that would be must-see tv. >> reporter: that would be good. martha: it's warmer inside, too. the accused 9/11 mastermind may not get the media circus
he was hoping for in downtown manhattan at his trial. the at managers put in a position to back pedal on this crontual decision. so what will they do about this trial now? bill: also, the president's new budget may deal a major blow to nasa. what's in, what's out, what's cut, what's the future? our science expert was none too pleased about this. he's live as well. stay tuned. back in a moment.
>> after eight years of delay, those allegedly responsible for the attacks of september 11th will finally face justice, they will be brought to new york, to new york, to answer for their alleged crimes in a courthouse just blocks away from where the twin towers once stood. bill: that was recording of the attorney general, announcing the decision to come to new york for the terror suspect, that would include the prosecution of khalid shaikh mohammed, on screen now. and now there's word the obama administration is looking for other options. first a former new york marion a prediction this
week here on fox, and the current mayor in new york on this call. roll it. >> they're not going to try the people in new york. there's no question it won't happen. the cost of it is prohibitive, the risk factor that it creates is too much to really sustain. >> a quarter of a billion dollars, four years, do you think a trial may only go two years? nobody knows. some of these trials go on for years. bill talk about it with former deputy assistant attorney general, also former counsel in the senate intelligence committee and good morning to you. what do you think about this apparent reversal we're watching? >> well, let's not be too fast about a whole reversal. it may solve the security problem in downtown new york, but martha, i think there's still going to be a media circus because the judges and a federal judge is not just allowed to close a courtroom because being situated elsewhere. the courtroom will have to be opened. but more important than that, it's the evidentiary issues that are in criminal
trials for somebody that was captured on the battlefield. if i can just give you one example, we know about miranda and i assume the justice department is determined they don't need any of ksm's statements so miranda is probably not going to be an issue, but there are many more. let me give you one. it's a constitutional requirement that any defendant gets any evidence that could be helpful to him, and that means witnesses and documents. so all his defense attorneys will be doing is filing motions to be asking for all kinds of classified information and fellow terrorists who they can interview to determine how much they know about ksm, and i'm not making this up, because that's what moussauoi did for 3 1/2 years and the only reason we had a conviction is because he pleaded guilty. bill: your point is the procedures are -- >> over his lawyer's advice, still. bill: but your point is the venue is the only thing that
changes right now, correct, not the proceedings or what could come out in a especially trial. o in a civilian trial. >> that's correct, it's going to have an open courtroom, the press is still going to say we're entitled to be in there and they're going to have all these evidentiary issues, including blackmailing of the justice department, because the lawyers can ask all kinds of classified information and if they're not declassified the government then has to -- bill: but there's a political equation in this, $200 million a year in new york city, that did not set well in new york or in congress, either. but you have two democratic senators in new york, chuck schumer and kristin guillen brand that say take it out of here, the police commissioner, the mayor of white plains new york, when this was brought up he said it ain't gonna happen here, either. where do you go? >> well, of course, my statement is you go back to gitmo. i think this is all about gitmo, and it also related to why the christmas day bomber was put into the
regular criminal justice system. you're closing gitmo, you've got to figure out ways to get rid of them. i say take this into a military commission, just like representative king said earlier today on fox, and that's where you have your case. you don't have a regular criminal process here. bill pill that would be another reversal. i'm just wondering, six months down the road from now, this comes out in a trickling fashion, okay? you've got the ksm decision that may come down today, perhaps you change his status and you mentioned the christmas day bomber, will his status be changed too, do you believe? >> well, it should have been changed a month ago. we so failed in getting needed intelligence information from him. i am appalled and frightened when i hear the top person in the white house in charge of intelligence saying well, we interviewed him for about 15 minutes and got some good stuff. that shows that he has no kind of inkling about what good interrogation is. a good interrogation, you have to have the documents that we already had in our
possession to question him from it, you have to have followup, you have to have somebody who develops the rapport with the person. that kind of situation takes weeks, if not months, and here, we said okay, we're going to just give it all up and we didn't need to. bill: part of your point is that these stories change, it can change from the first 15 minutes to the next 15 minutes, and perhaps to the next day after that, or the week after that. victoria, thank you. martha: military commissions are perfectly constitutional. bill: thank you for sharing your thoughts today, good to have you in from washington, d.c. martha: watch out this weekend, folks, there's a wicked winter storm that has left sheets of ice and sleet, literally, across this whole section of our country, making conditions really, really dangerous in that entire area that you're looking at and in other places as well. janice dean is going to join us with the foxcast, next.
bill: there are new developments on that toyota news, japan's trade minister urging that company to act swiftly to regain consumer confidence, the auto giant battered by this massive recall that involves the possibility of a stuck gas pedal. toyota says it has a fix for the problem, dealers can receive reworked pedal assemblies in the next two weeks, the fix in response to reports of sudden acceleration and thousands of toyota drivers have said their cars sped up on their own. that's not cool. one consumer group reports at least 275 crashes related to that glitch, and at least 19 deaths along the way. that led toyota to stop production and sales of # of its most popular models, including the camra and corolla, that recall affecting millions of vehicles on the road today. they extended it into europe yesterday and china, too. so it is global with toyota. martha: all right.
that is the extreme weather alert, folks, and it is very serious out there. a lot of people probably wishing they could just stay home today, and make bread, because there is a big bitter winter storm moving across the country on this january day, and this icy system is bringing snow and sleet and freezing rain and all that good stuff to the area, and it is causing a lot of accidents and outages and janice dean is on top of all of this. you warned us, janice, that this one was coming, and tell us what kind of -- what it's wreaking on this area. >> reporter: the southern plains are in for it, unfortunately, martha, and then the mid atlantic region. this is going to last throughout the day today and tomorrow, and just a mess. we talk about snow, you can dig your way out of snow, and of course, the floods, flooding eventually recedes, but when we're talking about ice on the power lines, on the roads, it really threatens lives, and life lihoods. we have hundreds of thousands of people without power in parts of oklahoma,
and that is unfortunately going to be the scenario for parts of arkansas, into tennessee, kentucky, and also the carolinas. look at little rock now, pine bluff, into memphis, that pink indicating freezing rain and more sleet, which is just coating the roadways, people really literally cannot get out and do anything today. you are advised to stay indoors. there's knoxville, asheville, all of this mess is moving towards the mid atlantic and we haven't even touched on the severe threats, we had tornado warns in central texas. look at the line of potentially severe weather moving through eastern texas and louisiana. so flood advisories are up, we could even see a tornado warning. just going ahead in time, this is saturday, guys, as we head towards atlantic, raleigh, columbia, icing for you unfortunately into saturday. this is the big story, we'll be all over it today and tomorrow, making sure people are safe. back to you. martha: janice dean, thank you very much. bill: we have a 30-degree weather change.
martha: overnight! bill: back into the thick of it. president obama change any minds with his state of the union address wednesday night, did he make americans feel better about where he's heading today? we're seeing the first polling numbers that tell an interesting story. scott rasmussen has that. martha: we have more on the big, big story, folks, things have turned around in a very large way when it comes to the thinking about the 9/11 trial that was to happen in new york city. we have a lot of reaction to this big story. but during commercial break, go to our website, foxnews.com, you can click on the u.s. may move the 9/11 trial site, that's the headline on that story, and you can see what everybody is talking about here, we are back in three minutes from now.
newsroom", the obama administration says they are exploring other venues other than manhattan to try the 9/11 terror suspects, including the self-professed mastermind of september september 11th, khalid shaikh mohammed. state leaders are adding pressure on the white house to look for another place to do this. now, here is new york senior senator on the matter. >> i called the white house and told them that i thought it would be a very good idea that they look for alternative sites. martha: well, we're continuing to get reaction. it's shaping up to be a possible major reversal from the administration on this. they had expressed the importance of doing it in new york, now we're hearing a different tune. coming up next hour we'll hear from someone who has been a vocal opponent of this whole thing, having the trial in lower manhattan, from the very beginning. bill: in a related matter, breaking news, a message believed to frb -- to be
from osama bin laden, blaming the united states and other western countries for climate change. the message, the world should boycott american goods and the u.s. dollar to stop global warming and at the same time destroy america's economy. that aired on alisyn: today -- onal gentleman zera today. whether true or not the first reference to global warming. take it from the source, osama bin laden. martha: well, we are getting a look at the new approval ratings for the president, this survey was done over the past several days and the latest rasmussen tracking poll shows 46 percent of the people that they've spoken to approve of the job that the president is doing, 54 percent in the disapproval column. joining us is independent pollster scott rasmussen. scott, good morning to you, great to have you here. >> always great to be with you and i got to point out the numbers you referenced were taken over the last
three nights, so two-thirds of the interviews were done before the president's speech, the sample that we have for after the speech shows that democrats appear to be more enthusiastic than before, not much change among republicans and independents, but you don't want to read too much into it. martha: 46 percent approve, 54 percent disapprove. with that as backup scott, talk about spending, if you can pull this up, it is -- let's see, do you favor president obama's proposal for a freeze on discretionary spending, which of course he announced just as they were heading into the state of the union address, 56 percent say yeah, that's a good idea, 24 percent say they're opposed to it, 20 percent just not sure. >> and this is something that voters appear to be saying yeah, it's a good idea, it's a good first step. in fact we asked what about overall spending, what would you like to see done, 57 percent say they want to see a cut in all spending, 23 percent want to see a freeze in the entire budget, and 12 percent would like to see an increase in federal
spending. martha: that's the message to people seem to be sending pretty loud and clear, they're very concerned about this decifit. the next line about congress, approval numbers for congress, boy, i mean, look at these numbers. oh no, i'm sorry. yes, there we go. this year, has congress passed any legislation that will improve the united states? 60 percent say no. if you're in congress right now, you've got to look at this number and say maybe retirement is not such a bad idea. >> look, there is so much skepticism, the president mentioned it the other night, the trust -- the decifit of trust that's out there, people don't think congress is doing a good job, they don't think congress has a clue about the economy and they're frustrated with the amount of time that's been spent on health care at the expense of the economy and other focuses. it is a tough time to be in washington, it's going to be a very difficult environment for all incumbents come november. martha: yeah, and you know, that brings us to our next line, let's pull this up and look at what's going on in illinois. this is the former senator
barack obama's senate seat. look at this, mark kirk, 53 percent, the illinois republican primary for senate. how is that race looking to you now, scott? >> look, the election is next week, it would be a shock if anybody other than kirk is the republican nominee. when you get to the general election, our last polling show the race to be very competitive, normally you'd say that's ridiculous, this is illinois, but in this year, we have found that republicans and conservatives, much more enthusiastic about voting, we saw that happen in massachusetts just over a week ago, and it's looking like, you know, possibly kef, but this would be a longer shot for the republicans. martha: well, anybody who is in congress right now has got to look at these numbers and think seriously about what the american people want and what they should be telling them they're going to do on capitol hill if they get reelected. scott rasmussen, thank you very much, sir, always good to see you. >> thank you g. to see you, martha. bill: we are on the job hunt at the fox news channel and for temporary workers the
hunt might not be as tough as it once was, we're hearing. during the worst of the great recession as some call it now, temps were among the first to be let go and businesses are bringing some of those workers back, about 166,000 to the payroll since last july, but there's a lot of ground to make up here. in december we had about 1.9 million temporary workers, down from a high of 2.6 million before the recession hit. nearly half said to be under the age of 35, and most working in manufacturing, professional and business services, and david lee miller has the take object that -- take on that this morning, at the my len number personnel corporation in new york city. what's the demand for temps now? >> reporter: well, here in millennium, they say it is actually surging, up 75 percent over the last year. let me take you on a quick tour of the employment agency here, you can see that half a dozen people who have arrived this morning, they are filling out applications, many of them hoping to get temporary employment. but in many instances, more than half the time, bill, we
are told that these temporary jobs turn out to be full-time employment. joining us right now is laneie bennett, president of the millennium agency. laneie, tell now -- tell me how that transition works, you said you have a program in place to help temporary workers become full-time workers. >> absolutely, it's the temp program and it's wonderful, companies get a chance to try out the employees for three-months before they make a commitment to hire them permanently and it works out beautifully because they get a chance to show off their skill set on the job and they actually have the opportunity to meet and interact with the company officials and hopefully it will be to something permanent. >> reporter: lainie bennett, thank you very much. and while it's a good deal for the applicants it serves companies well in these difficult economic times, often times they don't want to commit to a permanent worker and this is a good way to employ someone without making that financial commitment, and interestingly, bill, we see applicants coming from all
across the board, students, actors, white collar professionals, temporary work is one way to turn around this economy and it is in the best interest of employees, as well as employers. bill: if you're looking for a job, man, you'll take it. david lee miller, thank you, live in new york city. you can find out more about the the job hunt sear eerks head to foxnews.com, top of the page, click on the link that says on the job hunt, see that red areao there, that takes you to our interactive map of all the stories we've been watching from all of our correspondents across the country, tracking what's hot and what is not right now in the u.s. thank you david lee. martha: it's hot at -- hot at the white house are the cdc numbers. we're hearing from the white house and council of economic advisers, saying these are the strongest signs we've seen yet for the u.s. economy, also that the gdp figures were fueled by tax cuts and stimulus spending, but some also coming from increased private sector demand, and
that's the area where you really want to look for future and lasting growth. she feels that we are starting to see some of that reflected in the internals of this report. she says do not read too much, though, into a single economic report, and she does see further bumps in the road. a little bit of qualifying there, just in case next month doesn't look quite as good as this month, but the dow jones industrial average is up 33 points, as the market seems to be reacting positively. bill: for now, right? martha: everybody likes a green arrow. bill: better than last year, or last week, huh? three days, it was like man, are we going there again? martha: it's been up a lot. bill: that's an uplifting site, and three-months ago, the test of of a rocket off cape canaveral, supposed to be a testing to return to the moon and from there we would go deeper into space. all this could be in jeopardy after a decision expected soon from the white house. what is the future for nasa and what do the scientists think about that? we'll talk to our favorite
breathing again. thanks a lot. >> that's one small step for man. martha: i don't think you can hear that without having chills. it was an incredible, incredible moment, neil armstrong's first step on the moon, a high moment of american ingenuity, nasa's constellation program was supposed to return men to the moon by 2020, that was the goal of the services, a spring board for a future mission to mars from there, but president obama's upcoming budget, we are being told, out monday, is not going to include money for that program and that means for landing, in the future, no moon bases and at least not any, at this point, with a u.s. flag. other countries may have that live. chris gutierrez is live from the houston center with more. >> reporter: it all does boil down to money and essentially everything does. let's be honest, over the
past few years nasa has not received the funding it expected and as a result the constellation program has really suffered. recovery, constellation was set to be the future of space exploration here in the united states, a new system of rockets and vehicles to take astronauts back to the moon and eventually mars. the president's advisory board, the augustine commission, noted in its review of our space program that nasa needs $3 billion more a year in its budget over the next five years to get constellation off the ground but white house officials are reporting the president plans to increase nasa's budget by just over $1 billion a year, which means constellation, as we know it, is in effect dead. >> that isa's budget is more or less going to be flat for the next few years. then we cannot sustain what's been going on. so the constellation program will have to be adjusted, something will have to change. >> reporter: so what is going to change? we know the shuttle program is set to retire later this year, officials say the president could replace the constellation program with commercial rockets, known
more commonly as space tactics, essentially profit businesses would design and build new rockets instead of the government to ferry astronauts to and from the international space station. it's an idea that does not sit well with everyone. >> if we go to commerce at suppliers, who have never made a man-rated rocket before, and let them start taking our people to the international space station, supposedly they're going to do this faster. not going to happen. they have no idea what problems they're going to encounter. >> reporter: the president 's proposed budget has not been released, it comes out monday as you mentioned, and already the debate is heating up, martha. martha: chris gutierrez, thank you very much. bill: let's get reaction to that, how big a blow is this to nasa, michio kaku, nice to see you, michio. how are you reacting to this? i think this is kind of a
gut shot to people like you. >> well, the yanks aren't coming! the moon, mars, forget about it. nasa is going to get out of the astronaut program, almost entirely. you saw act one, landing on the moon. there's no act two. bill: you think this is good policy? >> no, i think it's not just cutting into the muscle and reaching the bone, it's cutting off an arm, cutting off a leg, you're talking about no replacement for the space shuttle. this means that the immediate benefit factors are the russians. we're going to be pleading with the russians to get access to place until finally the private sector kicks in, god knows when. bill: let me talk about the private sector for a moment. you would need to rely on the russians for a decade, right, up to 2020, right? that's substantial. >> that's substantialal. remember we spent $9 billion on the booster rocket, all out the window, 4600 jobs for the space shuttle, out the window. bill: again, i come back to my issue, is this good policy, do you like this,
can the private sector pick up where nasa left off? >> all of us know we have hard times with budget cuts, all of us know that, everyone is suffering, but we thought there would be a downsizing, a slowing down of the moon program. yes, pitch it out, 2020 is artificial, make it 2025, 2030. now the whole thing is out the window. $9 billion out the window. bill: here's what you get, you get this heavy lift rockets that one day could take humans and robots to explore below the earth's orbit. what's a heavy lift rocket? >> we already have the area's booster rocket. it's been tested already, it was supposed to replace the shuttle in five years, in 2015, out the window. the orine module to go to the moon, that's out the window, mars program out the window, and this is still a pie in the sky. we don't know what this heavy lift rocket is going to look like. bill: that's a good point, how does this affect our ability as the country to be competitive with other nations around the world who are trying to do what we've done, and frankly, we've got a pretty good head start
when it comes to space. >> right, well, it means we're going to be at a disadvantage. remember, all countries are hurting right now, but the russians have a flourishing booster rocket business because they have access to space, they've got booster roberts. we're not going to have a booster rocket into the next generation. this is going to affect the space program, not just for one year, two years, it's for the next generation. we're talking about a generational spoof taking place with no act two. bill: what would you say to people, look, times are tough, you referenced it yourself, you know money is tough to come but. >> but think of the fact that the stimulus money, a lot of it is projects to nowhere, and remember a lot of the money is being wasted while the space, we knee space generates revenue, it generates commerce, communication. this transmission right now is compplements of satellite, weather satellites, space technology, that has given america an edge over other countries. bill: one more point, the international space station will have its life extended
to the year 2020, perhaps even beyond that. i would imagine with the improvements made to the i iss, this is a good thing. >> in general it's okay but the space station is nowhere, it doesn't do anything. single rockets -- bill: doesn't it help with our ability to experiment and do testing and live up there and understand how humans react to space? >> that could be done with single rockets. $100 billion went into the international space station mainly as a guessure to othero gesture to other countries to cooperate with the united states. for its scientific value, we get almost no scientific value from the space station. bill: if you could put a module on the moon, would that be of benefit? >> well, in the long term, it's more than just putting a flag on the moon, because people have already done that. it means laying the ground work for act two, that is, the next phase of space exploration, and there's not going to be an act two now because the private sector is not ready to pick up the space shuttle. bill bin laden as chris
gutierrez was describing it, they're space taxis. there is money to be paid in -- to be made in space, the question is which country will emerge. toaks like you and the folks at nasa, michio, thank you, and good luck with the series, too, by the way. tremendous success there. got a question you want answered, something about space? hemmer.com is the e-mail. march that, what's coming up? martha: bill, the story of the day isn't about space. it's on the 9/11 new york trials, the plan to try khalid sheikh mohammed in new york hearing outcries from politicians to residents. coming up, reports that the trial may be moving. >> the attorney general and the president decide to change their mind, but if
bill: we have a followup on an even happier ending we reported a week ago, the heroic rescue of a dog during flooding in l.a., firefighters went above and beyond the call of duty to save this here german shepherd. check that out, what a ride, stranded in the middle of the l.a. river, turns out a 70-year-old grandmother had no idea it was her missing dog. spikey. maria medina hat sent other grandkids out to try to find spikey, her family and neighbors saw the rescue on the news and called maria up. her other dog that was missing was found by animal control officers on a bridge by the river, so she has both of them back, and spikey had one heck of a day
martha: how do people hold that dog. you know how hard it is to pick up a dog that's squirming, he's holding over that body of water? oh my god. bill: nicely un. spikey is home for the weekend. martha: that's so good. here's a hot story for you, the democratic primary for the u.s. senate seat -- you know what? that isn't what we're going to do. it's a very hot fight going on in illinois and steve is following that from our chicago bureau and joins you now live. steve, fill us in. >> reporter: well, off the top, the frontrunner in the democratic primary is a man by the name of goui -- giannoulias. the bank has been losing money, the fdic has come down and slapped it with a
consent order saying hi, you're going to nix and recapitalize this bank because you took too much money out in stock dividends. this has been dogging giannoulias in the last 36 hours and giannoulias tried to explain it way -- explain it away, saying this is something that happened at his old job. >> i haven't been there for four years, i'm not involved in the management or operation of the bank and when i left there, we had capital above our peer group, it was a highly performing financial institution. but again, it's easy for me to look like, four, five years ago, and say, you know, i was there during the better days. >> reporter: and while giannoulias has not worked at the bank for three plus years, he is a stockholder in the bank, and the question has been raised over and over again about the dividends paid out to he and other family members versus the current state of affairs at the bank, which is in the red. martha. martha: well, primary day is
four days away. can this change anything about this race, do you think? >> time is running out, but it is possible, and the potential beneficiary is david hoffman, he is the inspector general for the city of chicago, which essentially means he is the corruption cop on the payroll in the city of chicago, if you can imagine that job. he has done it well, he has received a huge number of newspaper endorsements, including the chicago tribune and sun times, the endorsements were glowing, but he has been trailing in this race. he's been hammering away at this particular issue but does seem to have gotten traction recently on that. martha: all right, steve brown, reporting from chicago, thank you steve. bill: one intriguing year, isn't it? politics, man oh man. martha: one right after the other. bill: for months the republicans were saying the white house has cut them out of the process in washington. does that change today? president obama in a few moments here will address house republicans in baltimore, what will he say, what will they say?
a preview at the white house on that coming up. also check this out, martha. martha: it is shaping up, bill, to be a very messy and potentially dangerous weekend out there, folks. janice dean was telling us why folks in some areas might just want to stock up on the old dvds and make some popcorn and not go anywhere this weekend. anywhere this weekend. we'll fill you in.an anybody hear me? ♪ ♪ i know i know i know i shoulda gone to ♪ ♪ free credit report dot com! ♪ that's where i shoulda gone! coulda got my knowledge on! ♪ ♪ vo: free credit score and report with enrollment in triple advantage. n:don: ...no matter where you walmart's $live.-day generic prescriptions... don: plus get free shipping on over 3,000 other prescriptions. don: call 1-800-2-refill for your free home delivery. save money. live better. walmart.
martha: some are saying today the leader of the free world is heading into hostile waters now, right in his own backyard. there is a live look this morning at the white house and president obama is set to make a quick little trip today, over to baltimore. and, some call this running the gauntlet, because he's speaking at the republican house issues conference and with that, good morning we have a brand new hour of "america's newsroom," all lined up for you. i'm martha maccallum. bill: i'm bill hermmmehemmer, to bridge the massive gap between the left and this right in the capitol and he said both parties have to move forward in the middle if we get anything done in washington, d.c. and that is our starting point, martha. martha: so he is entering maybe a little bit of enemy territory venturing into what the g.o.p. calls a winning-back america conference is what they are calling that and wendell goler is live with what the president has in store today when he heads into the room that includes john
boehner and other. what do we expect to hear today, wendell? >> reporter: martha, before the president visits with republicans, he's going to a small business in baltimore, and announcing a new tax proposal aimed at encouraging small businesses to hire new workers. a $5,000 credit for every new worker they hire this year and the break on social security taxes. for giving existing workers a raise or additional hours, this year. it is a $30 billion program, to be paid for by savings, out of a t.a.r.p. program, that turned out to be cheaper than expected. and, it is the kind of job-creating program that republicans say should have dominated the stimulus package instead of government spending. now, yesterday, in tampa, florida, the president sid aid wants republicans off the sidelines and the tax plan at the g.o.p. retreat is one move towards doing that and expects
the to the do more listening than talking today and he'll only talk 10 minutes to republicans and will hear from them for the better part of an hour and, the president is willing to hear from republicans for a good while and republicans say if not the white house, certainly democratic crai congressional leaders that have frozen them out of the process of helping them climb out of e the current recession. martha: and one thing that is raised at the state of the union is whether that will change now and some proposals the president is making in the jobs proposal would appear on the face to have to have ideas conservatives might really like, right. >> reporter: the tax cut proposal is certainly the kind of thing that republicans say should have dominated the stimulus program but tax cuts were really a fraction of the $787 billion program, and, this jobs proposal is only for one year. former president george w. bush used to say that businesses need permanent tax cuts to help them make long term planning but mr. bush, of course, his tax
cuts were only temporary because he couldn't come up with the votes to make them permanent and the strategy was to then, put political pressure on congress to extend the tax cuts by saying the lawmakers -- to lawmakers if they didn't do so were effectively voting for a tax increase and i should point out we got a report today that fourth quarter gdp actually went up 5.7%, and the president's council on economic advisors, christina romer says that is an indication the recovery is proceeding in a normal fashion. she says that that is going to let businesses be more comfortable about hiring more workers, and, this tax proposal is an attempt to get them to do it now, instead of waiting 6 to 12 months to do so. martha: let's hope that that is going to be a sign of recovery, for the u.s. economy, everybody will be glad to hear that, wendell goler thank you very much.
bill: major developments concerning the planned new york city trial of the 9/11 trial, the white house and justice department are looking into other options for the trial and the plan to try khalid sheikh mohammed and four others steps from ground zero and has been controversial from the start and the chorus of opposition growing louder in recent days and james hanson was in the us army special forces and now senior director of communication for the warrior legacy foundation, a vocal opponent of having the trial in new york city and sir, good morning to you, you are in washington and why are you so concerned about new york and this trial. >> it shows the mentality of the administration -- has taken in our fight against terrorism and the question is, al qaeda is at war with us and will we be at war with them or fight them with the law system and that is a system of the mentality and it is a great step in the right direction to not hold it in new york city and they need to go ahead and try him by military tribunal in guantanamo bay. bill: if that doesn't happen -- and we talked to a great guest about the legal implications in
all of this and she contends as of now it is just a venue change, and the trial will continue and you'll run into all of the issues about what evidence you make public and your view on that is what? >> the problem with this is during discovery, we'll have to give his lawyers all of the information that leads us to believe he was a senior al qaeda operative and that is a mistake and will come out in public and will be able to use that at trial against us and will give him a platform to go ahead and put the united states and our counterterrorism tactics on trial. bill: do you remember the blind sheikh tried in the u.s., remember that case? >> absolutely. bill: tell me about the issues the prosecutor had then. >> andy mccarthy who tried him wrote a book about it and, noted that he had to give the names of over 200 intelligence sources and people we've identified as part of the al qaeda network, to his lawyers, the blind sheikh's lawyers and that blew intelligence operations and actually harmed our ability to
conduct counter terror operations and is a disgrace that we are considering doing that again, when we have the legal option given to us by congress to go ahead and try him by tribunal and keep those secret. bill: your concern is if you did this, with khalid sheikh mohammed you'll see a repeat of the trial you laid out there and i know what you say about military try buns and john mccain is on the record -- tribunals and we have heard other experts saying, do it en gitmo and i don't know if that will happen and would be a significant reversal and, can you tell if washington is moving toward that. >> the christmas bomber shows the administration does not have a plan for high-value target terrorists and the question comes down to, if we capture someone in the field should we send navy s.e.a.l.s after them or csi to gather evidence, we need to return to the mentality al qaeda holds against us, they are at war and we ought to act like we are with them as well, and stop this idea that we can have a law enforcement attitude, towards what used to be the war
on terror. bill: that may be well and good but the president's position has been on this and you know what eric holder's position has been, do you think it is reversing itself in that sense, where you go away from the civilian trial to a military tribunal. >> there is a lot of pressure on them now to make the choice. i don't know if they will. they have been adamantly opposed from the start and i believe they have been wrong on the issue and the question is will they listen to the combined wisdom of the rest of the counterterrorism, you know, groups that do that for a living, and, go back to what was the correct answer, and that is, treating terrorists as enemies of the u.s.a., not as common criminals. bill: james hanson thank you for your time and at this point we cannot answer that question and we'll see in time if that changes, thank you sir from washington. we'd like to know what our viewers think, should the obama administration move the terror trial out of downtown manhattan, head to our web site, foxnews.com and click on the "you decide" option to vote and view the results and see what
others think, with a comment left behind, reminder, not a scientific survey, just a chance to express your opinion on-line at foxnews.com. all right. martha: guns blazing during a fierce firefight in afghanistan. a hail of bullets in the southern city and taliban rebels targeting the united nations and government building in afghanistan and it started when militants wearing suicide bomb vests tried to attack a u.n. guest house. many of them failed. afghan forces trapping them on the roof. amazingly reports say no one was killed. in the fighting. and that report came before the gunbattle was over and we'll see how it ends. bill: lots of bullet and new videotape out of russia, the newest weapon in the arsenal is called the sokoy-2, key 50. and moscow taking it out for a
test drive and to match the stealth jet fighter and that would be a challenge and russian officials have spent two decades trying to build the jet and hoping it can take on the u.s. counterpart and planning to center service in five years time and moscow has been trying to modernize the aging arsenal and would be the first aircraft built in post-soviet russia. martha: the crisis in haiti. the u.n. says there is grave need for medicine now. all over haiti. it seems that basic medical supplies like antibiotics and painkillers are running right now at dangerously low levels at some of the hospitals and clinics there and doctors are struggling to save lives and help the injured and certainly help people deal with their pain and one doctor in a coastal town said her team is treating 500 people, each day. the aid workers there say the medicine need falls third in their minds.
behind water and tents for shelter and all of this goes to point out they are still in so much need in haiti. as the days go by. and, they should not be forgotten there, it's not possible, at this point, though, to get those supplies into haiti, fast enough. or distribute them in a country that has a collapsed infrastructure. bill: a great apiece of -- in the "wall street journal," and did you read how the convoy tried to get to port-au-prince and where it had to park for the night to figure out where to keep the aides safe. there was no -- the aid safe, called a convoy to nowhere and an amazing read. martha: frustrating having it there and close by and not able to get it where it is needed. >> you are right about that. in a moment we'll breathe new life into the ailing economy, folks, a top priority for the white house, especially today, president obama will meet with republicans on the house side, a bit later this morning, what will he say and what will they ask him. martha: like to be a fly on the wall. bill: also... >> okay. guys we need to get the car out, get him out, pull him out!
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in his own defense, a live look inside the courtroom now as he sits there, and as his family listened yesterday, he openly confessed to killing the well-known doctor and here's part of what was said on the stand. >> i felt that if someone did not do something he was going to continue aborting children. so act. and quickly, for those children. i... i did what i thought was needed to be done to protect the children. i shot him. bill: he is charged with premeditated, first degree murder, his defense team is hoping the judge would allow the jurors to consider a lesser charge but the judge nixed that idea and we're live outside the courthouse in a few moments that's trial gets underway, live.
martha: all right, setting a new course on the road to fixing the nation's economy, and it looks like we went a bit of that way this morning with a nice gdp number and has to make them happy at the white house and there is a live shot and the president is set to speak again today on job creation, an hour from now and there is new ways they went to boost small business growth. they are pushing a $5,000 small business tax credit, for each employee hired in 2010, and a number of other things that we wanted to talk about with doug schoen, democratic pollster and fox news contributor and author of "the political fix" and joins us from davos, switzerland, hey, there, doug, happy to have you with us today. >> happy to be here. martha: when you look at these and i'll rattle them off for everybody at home, the benefits small businesses -- the president is proposing a $5,000 tax credit for each new worker they hire in 2010 and also, that businesses that increase wages or hours for existing workers will be reimbursed for the extra
social security payroll taxes they pay, they also are throwing in a tax incentive for businesses that invest in new plants and equipment and also, elimination of the capital gains tax for small business investment. good idea? >> absolutely, martha. step in the right direction. long overdue and is good the president apparently is now turning his focus to business and job creation, away from health care. i think this is the right step now, hopefully, he'll get some bipartisan support and move in a broader way towards initiatives like payroll tax reduction that can really stimulate the economy, in one fell swoop. martha: what i am hearing from some is in order to hire new people you have to be convinced your business is already starting to grow. and in order to do that, it would be more beneficial to start of cut the current income -- current tax rates for these small businesses, so they are no spending these huge -- sending
huge checks out to washington and then having to sort of borrow money in other places to expand their businesses. do you follow me? >> i not only follow you, i couldn't agree more. i think we need to provide tax relief not only to small businesses, but to all americans and one of the things i say that democrats and republicans might consider supporting is an extension of the bush tax cuts, at least on a year by year basis, if not to 2012, to stimulate the economy. because you are absolutely right. if people don't go out to spend money, and patronize small business it doesn't matter how many people you hire there will not be real economic growth, and real economic activity. martha: that is an idea that you hear about a lot in terms of extending those bush tax cuts. i would imagine that politically that is a pretty tough thing for the president and the administration and democrats in washington to get behind. you know? is there a way to sort of repackage that? that would make it palatable and everybody could meet on it? >> i think it has to be offered
in the context of stimulating economic growth. i know that the numbers now are somewhat encouraging but we're still dealing with fairly tepid numbers and unless and until we get growth in the three, 3.5, 4% range consistently you have to make the argument on a bipartisan basis that holding tax rates where they are, is the only way to go. you raise tax rates, you will choke off even the anemic economic growth and activity we have now. martha: why do you think the administration is not doing what seems like the easier, first thing to do which would be to cut taxes to the small businesses and not giving them a tax credit yet on new hires because it feels like it is still down the road and loosen up the capital they have on hand immediately and why not go that route? >> well, i think that that is the step they can and probably should take. i think it has been discouraging, martha, the republicans have been unduly negative to these first steps, the obama administration is taking but you are raising a
la large point well, need a bipartisan approach to job creation an economic activity and promotion and small business development and we are not seeing it and the american people are losing as a result. martha: in a couple second, how do you think the meeting will go in baltimore when the president sits down today with the republican house leaders? >> i'm not encouraged by what i see, and hear, martha. i don't think he'll get the kind of positive response that he is seeking. i think that that will be disappointing. but, hopefully i'll be wrong and we'll get a package of initiatives that all americans can support in both parties -- and both parties will embrace. martha: we hope you are wrong, too, for once, doug schoen joining us from davos. bill: best gig of the week, isn't it, the alps there... there are organization lobbying washington, d.c. and raking in big money and are doing it using your tax dollars and we are tracking your tax figuring out whether or not that is right. martha: my favorite story of the day. it can cripple an entire city
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martha: time to do i -- a man tried to do a tune-up in his grant and turned into a dramatic rescue in new mexico, caught on the police dashcam, check it out. >> get him out, pull him out, pull him out. martha: adrenaline was pumping for all of these people trying to rescue him, three men lifted a 3500 pound chevy camaro, off
of the chest of the owner. minutes earlier, he was working on the car and it fell on him while he was doing that and he said the cell phone was nearby, and he reached over and called 911, and while the car was on top of him! the officers arrived and they were able to help and the men pulled him out of the car. listen: >> it felt like forever, i thought i would lose my life. >> we knew immediately after the incident if we tried to pick up the car again we wouldn't be able to do it. martha: what a story. he had a scrape on his back and gratitude and happy he charged the battery on his phone the night before. bill: he looked great. make sure and charge your battery. martha: do you believe it. bill: lifted up the car. martha: supermen! bill: we are tracking what is happening and the public universities, nonprofit groups, even cities across the country are using your tax dollars to pay for lobbyists in washington. to essentially get even more
money from thursday wallet. wow. william lajeunesse is on the story live in l.a. and how does it work, william? >> reporter: bill you might call this a vicious circle and we're not talking about an aide to the governor calling the congressional delegation to basically loosen up money from washington that the state is already owed. we're talking about cities, states, universities, using tax money to hire a lobbyist to get more tax money for a specific project. a gang deterrence and oyster rehab, a teen zone, these are projects that fail to qualify for funding on their own merits. more than a million dollars to save alaska's salmon and 850 grand to study wind at iowa state, and all most a half million to stop copper wire theft in las vegas. pork-barrel projects that would never have gotten off the ground, if you hadn't paid to lobby for them. in essence you have a situation where taxpayer money is being spent, to get more taxpayer money. >> reporter: public
universities, nonprofits, even cities and states, spend thousands of dollars of your money, on lobbyists and campaign contributions. for the sole purpose of getting millions more, out of your pocket. the university of alabama, spent $360,000, on lobbyists and got more than $40 million in earmarks. the city of philadelphia got $2 million worth of brotherly love from washington. after selling out 300 -- shelling out 300 grand for lobbyists and drug treatment center the phoenix house shelled out 100 grand for a return of almost 3 million. >> the one school of thought says it is ridiculous, it is unfair that taxpayers should be having their hard earned money used by their local government to try to get more taxpayer money. >> not everyone who plays is' winner and the city of santa rosa, california spent 1 20 grand on a lobbyist and got one earmark for ten grand and washington state university spent $260,000 and giet single
ear mack -- got a single earmark for methamphetemine research, got 10,000. bill: thanks for that, on our web site at foxnews.com we track your taxes, and head there and click on the link that says, "tracking your taxes." martha: a good idea. bill: and you'll -- martha: why does it say that! bill: self-evident! check it out, right now on foxnews.com. martha: one of the big buzz topics is whether or not health care reform is dead, or is it simply -- on life support? ask the speaker of the house and she has interesting thoughts on that and you'll hear what she has to say and two doctors talk about that development in a fair and balanced debate, you don't want to miss, right after this. fir one. i'm looking for some fiber. this bar is an excellent source of fiber. there's no fiber in this. it tastes too good. there is fiber. (chuckle) no.
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rockies and now, kettleman city, california, has sadly a cluster of children with birth defects, and the county just approved an expansion of that facility and now environmental activists are up in arms, trying to intervene on behalf of the mostly immigrant population there. anita vogel is bringing us this story today live from los angeles, welcome. >> reporter: hi there, mar this. this is really a medical mystery, parents in kettleman city are beside themselves over the fact that their children are being born with birth defects, and some of them have even died. and a lot of the residents there are pointing their finger at the landfill which does contain cancer-causing chemicals. >> as a new mother i hope for a normal, healthy baby but when he was born i was surprised he was born with a cleft palate. >> reporter: one in 700 american children is born with a cleft palate but in kettleman city, california in '08 the number was
one in 12, 58 times higher than the national average. >> translator: and we need and we ask you... for there to be an investigation as to why the children are being born this way. >> reporter: statistically, birth defects in kettleman city are off the charts. and experts pointed fingers at everything from pesticides used by local farms, to pollution from the interstate and environmental act cysts and some residents blame this landfill three miles outside of town. >> we we have on our hands in kettleman city is a toxic time bomb, we have babies dying, for some reason, and don't know why and we have environmental pollution. >> reporter: the landfill is the largest toxic waste facility west of the rockies and company officials say the site is strictly regulated and there is no evidence of groundwater contamination. >> we've got a record of 30 years doing business here and we
have a clean record, which we stand by. >> reporter: now the environmental protection agency is conducting an investigation of the landfill, but they are not taking any soil samples. also, the california department of health is conducting a complete medical analysis of illness in the area. but, they are not taking any soil samples, either. as you can imagine, residents are up in arms about this. and many of them now are teaming together with environmental groups to sue king's county to stop the expansion of the landfill and martha, we'll update you on that. back to you. martha: you can imagine -- i can't imagine why they wouldn't need a soil sample of what is going on there. anita vogel, thank you very much. >> the gates, gates close, go over intense, the fence is too high, pole vault in and if that doesn't work, we'll parachute in but we'll get health care reform passed for the american people.
bill: will america be -- with a pole vault or parachute, are there votes left to get it done, let's debate it with fox news contributor dr. marc siegel, welcome back, doctor and kathleen london out of boston, a family practice physician and dr. london, welcome to you as well, and i know you guys are doctors and not politician, will it get done or get dead. >> wilt not get done as long as the president keeps on the same tired lines and he's not learning from any of his critics and keeps saying anyone that disagrees with him is misinform people and doing the state of the union speech he said our approach would preserve the right of americans who have insurance to keep their doctor and their plans and americans have been going to their doctors since it started and doctors are saying, we may be dropping out. 50% of the physicians are not taking medicaid and the people know, most bills will not allow them to keep their current plan and include clauses of exactly the kind of plan you can have
and the president said it will be affordable and premiums will not go up and in massachusetts, when they passed universal health comfortable, guess what? premiums went up and just as many people use the emergency room, unnecessarily, even after health reform passed in massachusetts, why do you think senator brown has won? i mean, i think the president is not getting the message. you have to look at for the reform and he has to look at portability of insurance and john mccain has been saying for a long time we want portability of insurance and let's get competition among insurance companies by not allowing them to cut it off across state lines. bill: you said a lot and let me slow you down and give me a one-word answer, 50/50 now, more or less. >> it's not going to pass, in its current form unless there are significant changes and republicans are brought to the table. bill: let me get to that in a moment but i want to get dr. london here, is health care reform dead, doctor? >> i think it is right now, it's on life support. it's not in a good space and honestly the bill has had so
many deals made and has gone so far from where it started from, you know, before president obama was elected, he was very much for single payor system and a system that would save $400 billion annually and now, we are choke holded by insurance companies, and, by mandating insurance coverage and people have to purchase insurance will give them more power and that is a little bit frightening. bill: does that mean 50/50 or less than that in your view, dr. london. >> less than that. bill: wow. okay, here's what i'm trying to figure out. we have been up and down the issue almost ten months now. and i respect what you are saying, dr. london and marc you said a lot, too. find the common ground. if you were able to get a piece of legislation through congress, now, marc, what would it looks like. >> you know, here's what i would say, bill, first of all, i said all along the problem is with insurance itself. we're not looking at the issue, insurance itself is too expensive and just extending the coverage, of low deductible insurance, and --
>> including preexisting conditions, all of that under the umbrella. >> sure, that is a great idea but it's too expensive and my solution is high deductible insurance, health savings account and you know what? i want to throw something to dr. london's way and see more primary care doctors trained and paid for by the federal government, let them go out into rotc-type situations and go out and take care of the under served population of 65 million people in the u.s. and never mind insurance, get to people who need the care. bill: what about that. >> that is actually one of the mandates that has been put forward, is to increase education for primary care physicians and increase the funding to that and that is in there as is, that preexisting conditions cannot be something that can be excluded. so, some of the most egregious practices of the insurance companies are in the bill. and we need to start somewhere, i mean, i think, the majority of people want a single payor system and unfortunately, the insurance lobby is too big to see that happen now though it would save enough money. bill: with respect the polling
doesn't show that. based on the single payor system. >> which poll are you talk about, the polls i have seen do show that. bill: people are afraid of the cost and don't want low deductible insurance, it is too expensive and intern people realizes you will not have the doctors to pull the cart if you extend insurance and cut reimbursements to physicians. bill: you need the doctors, dr. london the last word on this, now. >> so, you know, right now we spend the most per capita on health care and yet don't have outcomes to support inteend that, we're the lowest of every industrialized nation by the guidelines and we need to change something. bill: i hope we didn't waste a year, either, dr. london thank you and dr. marc siegel i know you see patients every day, thank you, both. >> thank you. bill: to be continued as has been the case for most of a year. martha: a big legal moment in wichita, kansas, now, closing arguments are expected today in the scott roeder trial the man accused of killing the well-known abortion provider dr. george tiller.
yesterday, he repeated his confession on the stand and claimed that the murder was an attempt to save unborn in children, alicia acuna is outside the courthouse in wichita and the jury is expected to get the case and how soon do you think it could happen. >> it could come quite quickly, the jury received instructions from the judge and closing arguments are underway. the judge dealt the defense quite a blow yesterday when he ruled the jury may only consider a first degree murder conviction and not a lesser charge of voluntary manslaughter as the defense had requestd. now, it came after chilling testimony by scott roader himself, under -- scott roeder, and he detailed the reece why he shot and killed dr. george tiller. and he expressed his frustration over the fact that dr. tiller was able to continue to work even after his clinic was bombed in 1986, he was shot in 1993, and the law had protected him from being convicted of any kind.
-- any crime. >> there was no... that you believed occurred. >> yes. >> and the only person that could do the mission and be successful in your opinion, you'd have town take that yourself? is that a yes or no. >> if he was going to be stopped. >> you were going to be the one to do it. >> somebody needed to do it. >> reporter: now, the jury may not consider scott roeder's reasoning behind the crime, only, if in fact he did commit it. which, martha, he has admitted. back to you mis. martha: given all they know, is it possible we might get a very quick answer from the jury on this? >> reporter: a lot of court observers say it could come quickly and we could be wrapped unby the weekend and it is limited in scope what the jar is allowed to consider and they have to decide whether or not this in fact happened on may 31, 2009. that has been shown and the scott -- scott roeder said
himself, that he did it and he has shown no emotion that he has any regret, back to you. martha: and if you want to check -- thank you, if you want to check out the trial go to the fox news web site, foxnews.com and see "watch live" and click on the tiller murder trial you can watch live coverage and we expect it to move quickly over the course of the afternoon, tap into that on foxnews.com. bill: and in the meantime you mentioned about 30 minutes ago, martha, growing fears about a cyber attack. a new survey of businesses is providing stunning numbers. a closer look at the threat and why it could affect every one of us, if and when the attack comes. what if you could capture the fresh taste of broccoli in a luscious soup? v8 garden broccoli.
>> good morning, i'm jane skinner, jon and i will see you at the top of the hour, guess her the president is going at lunch time today, not to the lion's den exactly but to a roomful of republicans and you'll see it all play out live and they get a chance to ask him questions, you'll see on "happening now." martha: we're going to be tuned in for that. at noon today, don't want to miss that, in the meantime, you may have heard about the wave of cyber attacks that recently targeted google. get this, a survey finds there is a real concern that is growing among technology experts that internet attacks could target companies and critical infrastructure in this country in a way that people really didn't understand before. now, the number of cyber incidents reported by federal agencies has been soaring. back in 2006, there were 5500 of
these and by 2008 the number more than tripled to 17,000, jessica herera flannagan joins us, she served as a staff director and general council for the house homeland security committee, good to have you with us today, welcome. >> thank you. martha: what caught my eye in this story is of the survey they did of these business leaders, most of them believed that within a year there would be a significant cyber attack that would lead to one of three things: every the failure, complete failure of a company, or a shut down of a significant section of, you know, some part of the economy for 24 hours, or even death and that will happen within the next 12 months, do you believe that. >> it is very possible and the experts that were talked to, were people and companies that do i.t. services, those are people who are watching the networks and seeing increased
activity and seeing increased attacks, and are also seeing more of their employees going on-line. you know, we all have mobile devices and more computers and more laptops and there is more opportunities to attack the system. martha: we are talking about the water supply and a number of critical -- you think of terrorist attacks and this is a form of terrorist attack, if somebody pulled it off in a huge way. and what is your biggest fear? what is the worst case scenario that you see? >> you have a number of -- as you mentioned a number of critical infrastructures linked to the networks and becoming more and more linked to a global network and you could see an attack on an electric grid creating a blackout in a city and say it happened in the middle of the winter or middle of the summer and could create significant problems and an attack on our oil pipeline that stops the pipeline, increases gas prices, and decreases the amount of gas available at gas stations and there are a number of scenarios that are out there, that could happen. you also just have people stealing information, on how our
electric grid works and pipelines work and they can do different types of attacks on the system and these are all real threats. martha: there have been a number of stories under the radar over the past year that i've kept an eye on that came up and suspicions about china or russia, hacking into certain systems, that may link to some of our systems. and, it raises a lot of concerns and according to this research, china they said is way ahead of us in terms of preventing these and in terms of having a handle on how people are getting into their systems. >> china has more of a centralized approach to cyber security than we do. their government obviously has a lot more over the computer networks and who gets on and have a lot more censorship and is easier to have more control over their systems. martha: will it take a serious event maybe for the country to wake up to what we need to do to protect the systems. >> i think definitely. there has been a lot of chatter, a lot of conversation on how we
need to protect the systems, but, quite frankly when you look at a number of companies, unless they see the threat in front of them they will not respond even to their i.t. experts, and, with the recession and times being hard a lot of those budgets are being cut, for technology security. so they are asking i.t. experts to basically take a garden hose and fight a five alarm fire when it comes out. martha: it could be a scary situation, and we need to keep an eye on it, jessica, thank you very much. bill: 11 minutes before the hour, martha, feeling generous. martha: absolutely. bill: bill gates is giving away a fortune, who is on the receiving end of this cash. martha: i can't be quite as generous as he is! bill: and why are protesters on the streets of london? we'll take you there, live. one pack. 6 days. that's elations. new elations. clinically proven to improve joint comfort...
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bill: a navy base for half a century. roll this, that is the navy... [cheers and applause]. bill: taking down a 12 story, 125-foot water tower. martha: a large alien... >> that is wine country, sonoma value, skaggs island, california. martha: a little prettier now. bill: the two front legs were cut short and cables were cut and more than 150 buildings now are also being torn down in that same area. martha: bill gates is feeling awfully generous these days and he's been generous, for the past many years and he and his wife just announced their foundation, bill, listening to this... bill: i am. martha: will donate $10 billion over the next decade to research
vaccines which have been the heart of their work they have been doing to vaccinate, really -- would like to vaccinate the children of the world and are trying to do just that in the poorest countries of the world and they are calling on government and businesses to contribute as well, and they say the money will produce higher immunization rates and their goal is to ensure 90% of children in the world are vaccinated against dangerous diseases and when they got together that was their message to help him spend his money in the best way possible to help people in the world and they've done an amazing job. bill: gone a long way, too, wish them the best of luck! and also, from london now, check this scene out, martha. these are protesters on the streets of london as former british prime minister tony blair faces a war investigating panel investigation the british involvement in the iraq war and blair's decision to back the u.s.-led invasion. and greg palkot is on the story on the sidewalk how, back in our bureau, he. megyn: what is blair saying at this inquiry about the reason
britain went to war. >> reporter: remarkable, bill, former u.k. prime minister, tony blair, on the hot seat for events happening years ago. it's a government backed inquiry into u.k. involvement in the iraq war and that war still very unpopular, as you saw from those scenes on the streets. and a hot button issue with the public and blair has been on the stand all day, and he remains unrepentant and defiant and says basically 9/11 changed his perspective about iraq and saddam hussein. and about the alleged weapons of mass destruction. in iraq and the wmd could not be refused and then the regime should be removed and the u.k. would fall in with the united states and here's a little bit of his six hours worth of testimony. take a listen: >> the primary consideration for me was to send an absolutely powerful, clear and unright
mitting message -- unremitting message that after sileneptembee 11th, if you were a regime engaged in wmd you have to stop. >> reporter: he says if there is no alternative to war then war it is, with the u.s. bill: as that continues, greg palkot is on it for us. martha: on a completely different note, having trouble in the bedroom these days? don't have to see your doctor. fire up the grill and down sizzling pork! there's your answer! what the president of argentina, that is the president of argentina, what she says about sex and swine that will have you begin' for bacon! bill: we'll make the decision after we hear the story!
improves sexual activity, it's much more gratifying than taking viagra! i guess she knows. martha: love that story. and you know, her husband used to be the president of argentina, and she says that it works for them. bill: imagine that! go for it. martha: a good note to end on. bill: hey, have a great weekend. twenty-four again i hear? martha: absolutely. bill: happy birth yai -- happy birthday, martha. martha: thank you so much, "happening now" starts right now. jane: good morning, everybody, i'm jane skinner, along with jon scott, happening now, president obama about to be met face to face with a roomful of republicans, he's the guest speaker at their retreat at lunch time today. will he find bipartisanship? you're going to find out with us, you're carrying it live. jon: a federal official comes a plea deal may be in the works for the alleged christmas day airplane bomber, just what kind of deal is on