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>> gretchen: here is the beautiful christmas tree that's on our set. we want to thank marlene's designs. what i really like are these balls behind us here. they sit so nice right up here. >> brian: this is the best we've ever had. the number to call is on your screen. >> steve: it's beginning to look a lot like christmas right here on "fox & friends." tomorrow we'll have the great irish tenor ronan tynan live on our big show. on our final tuesday before christmas. >> gretchen: log on for our after the show show. have a great day, everyone. news alert and a major sweep only days before the christmas holiday, british police arresting men in custody between the ages of 17-28. good monday morning here, i'm bill heller. how you doing martha?
martha: doing well, good morning, bill, good morning, everybody. the details on the terror plots and who these people are is not yet public but the bust comes days after u.s. agencies already on high alert for possible christmas terror attacking on our soil. bill: last we're, abdulmutallab attempting a christmas day bombing on u.s.-bound airliner in detroit, trying to detonate a bomb in his underwear. we're working on a live report out of london, the latest on these arrests, only moments away. fox news weather alert now and the hard hit west coast bracing for more punishing weather, check out marvista, california, wow, heavy rain, high wind, tearing down these large trees right from their roots, some even collapsing on homes and cars. you talk about rain, heavy flooding prompting an emergency in kern county, that's all southern california, some areas literally under water. washington state, look at this, cars sliding all over that road, smashing into one
another and it just kept going, it was like a rolling alley. watch that red car get out of the way. janice dean tracking it, j.d., how much snow is there? >> reporter: more, if you can believe it, more than this, 108 inches, that's 9 feet of snow, guys. this is the southern end, mammoth lake, california, and 9 feet of snow and we're going to be dealing with this, wave upon wave of low pressure, all of this is a tropical connection, they call this the pine apple express because there's a sub trop cat component to this. look at the satellite radar, southern california, central california, northern california, up towards the pacific northwest, heavy rain, bakersfield, where we saw the flooding pictures a few minutes ago, and the rain it is to come. inches of rain, feet of snow. let's take a look at the next 48 hours, again, as more of that moisture moves
in, 3-4 inches, around the los angeles area, and the mountains, and then feet upon feet of snow. and this is not the only area of the u.s. getting socked, of course, with bad weather, but let's go across the pond to the u.k. where we've got these incredible pictures. i don't know if you've seen this yet. snow, freezing rain, causing just chaos on the roads n. air, on rail, after a weekend of destruction, airports stopping -- heathrow stopped receiving arrivals, today they're expecting a limited number of flights and arrivals and departures out of london's heathrow. people are on mats, they've got blankets. we think we've got it bad but folks that are trying to get out may not get out. bill: you have temperatures below zero and half a million travelers stranded. janice, nice to see you moon, okay? see you j.d. martha. martha: we've got the winter weather sending slivers across much of the country but inside the stocks it's
warm and toasty folks! and holiday sales are warming up the u.s. economy. that is some very good news. let's bring in stuart varney, always the bearer of good news! good morning to you stuart, varney & company. great to see you. i was out there over the weekend, it's pretty busy in those stores. >> reporter: yeah, i'm telling you this holiday season is a return to the good old days of 20 07. these days we've got a very good dater -- indicator, a mastercard pulse, and it checks credit card purchases and even cash, it shows between halloween and saturday, prime time holiday selling season, things like clothing, up nearly 10 percent over the year before, if you go online, sales, up 12 percent from the year before, and that great big mall of america out there, 200,000 people were in that mall, just on saturday alone. martha: wow. >> reporter: that's huge numbers. martha: my mastercard set a
pulse! i can tell you that right now. there are many sales, a lot of markdowns, free shipping. i guess it remains to be seen how the profits will be for these stores. >> that's the department stores, that's for the retailers themselves. one of -- what do their margins look like. wall street will take care of reacting to that and react in the stock price of these department stores. for the overall economy, this shows you've got real momentum going into 2011. i don't know of a single economist who's not forecasting 3 percent growth at least for next year 2011 and a lot are saying 4 percent. martha: where's it coming from? we've got high unemployment. o unemployment. where's it coming? >> if you've got a job, you're past the recession, you're more confident, you're prepared to spend. there's an change, the psychology for spending and consumers. it has shifted. martha: how much comes from the tax compromise, i wonder.
>> some of it comes from the tax compromise, some of it comes from november's election results which now open up the possibility of a return to the private enterprise, a combination of factors, but a shift has taken place. martha: stuart, very interesting, jolly news from our stuart varney. we're glad he's here and not dealing with the snow in london, stu at! thank you sir, great to see you. bill: in the meantime there's a big issue with far reaching consequences, the future of america's nuclear arsenal, it's up for debate and a possible vote in the senate. senators meeting to decide to -- deciding whether to ratify the arms with russia, limiting the number of nuke necessary both countries, the white house, the president pushing for speedy approval. carl cameron live on this. why are leading republicans so against this treaty, carl? >> reporter: some are and some aren't. there's a big question about whether or not the senate has the 67 votes needed to ratify this treaty. the debate is going to resume on the senate floor in about 50 minutes and at one point, bill, they'll
actually go into the ornate senate chambers for a classified debriefing on a host of issues and part of it speaks to the objections of the senior republicans. there are questions about whether or not the u.s. missile defense program could be degraded or its capabilities limited as a consequence of this, there are questions about what exactly happens with battlefield tactical nuclear weapons. democrats are at last posturing they have the votes and yet we think that it's probably right on the very edge. this is dick durbin, number two democrat in the senate: >> i think we do. we have 66 votes for those who wanted to move to this debate and i think that we have had a debate now, we're in our fifth day, a couple of days, i will concede to john -- it had been interrupted with don't ask don't tell and the deal act but the fact is we've moved forward and in the next several days it will be one of the longest periods of time that we'vor put on an important treaty. >> jon -- john, he's talking
about jon kyl of arizona and when they negotiated, it took five days and they were still at it. kyl's concerns are many, republicans share them. listen here: >> the bill hasn't been through committee, there are problems with it, and i think the first thing republicans will ask is do we have a chance to fix any problems that may exist with it. and it's a lot of money, and so my early response is that i'm skeptical about about -- about that bill. >> reporter: most amendments that have come up thus far have been knocked down, the treaty can't change or it would have to be renegotiated so that's part of the exercise. bill, they're going to start the battle on the floor in another 50 minutes and it's going to go all day and we expect the first votes to come tomorrow. bill: so right now, no one knows whether this will pass. it could go one way or the other. >> there are 67 votes t. would take all the nine republicans who voted for the procedural hurdle a couple of days ago to again be in favor and there's a
very real possibility that senator ron wyden, democrat from oregon, would not be easier for the vote. he's dealing with -- will not be here for the vote. he's dealing with prostate cancer surgery and his vote may determine which way it goes. it's that close. bill: carl cameron is on the hill for us yet today, thanks. martha: staying on the hill, senator chuck schumer from new york says democrats are on a path to victory in the battle over health care bills for 9/11 first responders, this bill would give free medical coverage to rescue workers exposed to toxins during ground zero. democrats say that trimming the price of this measure which they've been able to do now is attracting republican support. that was the main concern among republicans. here's new york senator kristin gillebrand this morning: >> what we're aim fog right now is -- i think people of good will will come together, i think we have support for the bill and it's a bill we've been
working on for quite a long time and i've been working with a number of republicans to find what would they need to vote for this bill, how to pay for the bill. it's why we reduced the amount. martha: showing a spirit of compromise, as well. it's now about $6 billion, the cost of this, and they were able to whittle that down from $7.4 billion. bill: we're about ten minutes past the hour. now, a trillion dollars spending bill, dead on arrival in the senate. so is that bill the first victory the tea party in congress on spending? we'll ask a leading member of that group about the price of bigger government, in a moment. martha: how about this story? a friend lives to tell the tale after an american tourist in israel is stabbed to death. her story and the possible ties to terrorism, next. bill: also a new player entering that fight over a proposed mosque near ground zero. who he is, and is he end the controversy? minutes away.
martha: tragedy in israel, the murder an american woman and the dwe, was it a terrorist attack. the victim's british friend, kay wilson, survived the assault by playing dead. she described the attackers as two arab men, she says she stabbed her and her friend as she hiked in the forest outside of jerusalem. now, wilson claims that one of the men ripped off her star of david necklace and stabbed her where it hung on her neck. terrible story. so far, there are no suspects. bill: back in this country, could the collapse of a trillion dollars spending bill be the first major victory for the tea party in congress. several lawmakers from both sides of the aisle say adding to the $14 trillion debt is not the way to get the country back on track. matt kigley is president of freedom works and author of give us liberty manifesto. good morning to you. first big victory? would you classify it that way? >> this is the biggest victory yet for the tea
party. it's bigger than the elections and a significant shift of the culture of spending in washington, d.c. bill: why? >> because we had to get the republicans and democrats acknowledge you can't spend your way to prosperity, you've got to get away from these earmarks and move towards the notion that the only way to balance the budget is to cut back spending. bill: but you say it's bigger than the election. why? six weeks ago, what we saw here. >> elections come and go and we had a massive shift in the politics of this last election, but now it comes to policy and that's what the tea party movement is all about. we want to see spending reigned in. bill: now, the earmarks are only that much, and the budget debt is that big. what is the true impact of taking out 8.3 billion? >> the earmarks are just the tip of the iceberg. you had funding to implement obamacare in that bill, and most important, you have the bloated baseline that was up here that included the so-called temporary stimulus spending. what the republicans want to
do in the next congress is get down to the normal baseline and have a rational debate about spending priorities in the constrained world. bill: but why the about face? this went to the floor of the senate and harry reid said we're going to pull it. >> yeah, this is where the tea party had its impact because you had a number of republicans that otherwise would have supported earmarks and you had a number of democrats looking at 2012, democrats like claire mccaskill saying i can't win my next election if i continue to do business as usual. bill: last thursday, there was an op-ed piece in politico.com and it was written by two tea party supporters, and if you look at that piece, you wonder how many members of congress read it, also. >> yeah. bill: which forced someone like mitch mcconnell to talk to leading members of his party and say we cannot go there. >> yes. bill: is it possible that the tea party has that kind of effect on the republicans? congress now? >> you have four out of ten
voters as self-identified tea partiers coming out in the last election. that is the margin of victory that every one of these members needs to think about in this election. so yeah, there's that much juice and our spaig is -- saying is government goes to those who show up and tea party members are showing up. bill: what's next. what's the next target? >> what's next is the house budget resolution that paul ryan is going to be drafting in january. we're going to get a temporary extension of the current spending baseline or we're going to go after real spending cuts, spending reform and all this can be done before we deal with the debt limit. bill: so you think this is all for real, right? you think the reality has set in on america. >> well, the reality has set in, yes. bill: do you think the american people are ready to accept pain that will come no doubt with massive spending cuts? >> i think they're not only willing to accept the reality of where we are in spending, but i think there's going to be a price to be paid if republicans,
democrats, aren't bold enough, because everybody in america knows that we can't spend our way to prosperity, $14 trillion debts are not something that americans can do. bill: okay. one of the tea party members in washington, i believe it was, said we're probation officers. what does that mean in america in 2011? >> it means that citizens have to stay vigilant, we have to watch these guys, because just because we won last week on spending, it doesn't mean that they won't gravitate back to the big spending ways if we don't keep an eye on it. bill: it's a fascinating development. we're going to have senator david vitter out of louisiana with us and we'll put the same questions tom and see whether or not he agrees, matt, thank you for your time, from the tea party. >> thank you bill. bill by mentioned david vitter is our guest in minutes. martha, what's next? martha: just what you're talking about, vice president joe biden says the president's tax cut deal is, quote, morally troubling to him. listen to this: >> the president where in
"audacity of hope" that he found the bush tax cuts for the wealthy morally troubling. is that still his belief? >> it's still his belief. martha: the question, will that hurt or help the president's 2011 reelection chances? fair and balanced debate, coming up. bill: also she disappeared without a trace. what las vegas police are now saying about this missing snowgirl.
the hospital shutting down after filing for bankruptcy last spring, the move could open up most of the unions and operate as the new home for the mosque. here's what locals are saying about that. >> i think they have a mosque already, they have several in the city, so i don't know why they even need to build another one. >> it's really sad that we have to go to people outside of the country to support a hospital in the community. bill: precisely 1.7 miles north of ground zero, the bid would rival another group's attempt to snap up st. vincent's, in court the group is looking to tear down saint vincent's and building luxury houses. martha: it was a nail biter overnight, north korea stepped back from its threats to strike the south, the north calling south korea's military drills on yeonpyeong island a, quote, reckless military provocation and we saw what happened there last time around. live artillery fired for at least two hours as hundreds were evacuated because they were afraid the north would attack them. eric shawn is following the
developments in new york any from our newsroom and what the u.n. plans to do about it. >> reporter: the security council is back in emergency session within the hour. so far, china continues to block a vote, with the sceut council in bayying, protect -- beijing, protecting its ally north korea no matter what it does. after six hours of negotiations british and russian proposals yesterday the council was not even able to agree on a mere statement to the immediate yavment that's the lowest level action the council can take. a press statement is not even a resolution. the british draft statement called for both sides to exercise, quote, extreme restraint and condemned north korea's shelling of an island last month and the torpedoing of the navyship last spring that killed 26 sailors. despite the deadly attacks china would not agree to such language in the statement, fear thank criticizing north korea would only inflame the high tensions there. the council did ask ban
ki-moon to be an envoy to the korean pen lanes but an agreement has not been reached. the better to the nations thinks the council may never have a statement. >> the majority of council members made clear their view that it was important to clearly condemn the events of november 23rd and the attack by eprk on yeonpyeong island, but that view did not ultimately achieve consensus, and while we still are awaiting firm, clear instructions from every capitol, i think it's safe to predict that the gaps that remain are unlikely to be bridged. >> reporter: the ambassador -- the diplomat said this could easily spread across the globe and the live fire exercises are gangster-like, but others
saying the exercises are not aimed at the military. they are back in session 25 minutes from now. we'll see if they have any type of statement. martha: it seems like an intense moment. you wonder when the next one will be. eric, thank you very much. bill: we're learning now of a disturbing round of terror arrests and learning details on who the suspects are and what the potential target was here. those details only moments away. martha: as britain struggles with the problem of home grown terror, congressman peter king is looking to stop a similar problem here at home. but some critics are calling what he is doing a witch hunt. we'll explain why. bill: one state facing serious problems with its drinking water. we will tap into the issue in a live report, only moments away.
martha: a raging jirn ferno as an oil pipeline explodes in central mexico, at least 28 people killed in this, more than 50 others were hurt. investigators say that thieves triggered this blast. take a look at this picture. look at this closeup of ginger littleton as she goes in to attack this man last week. the bidding is on for her purse, it was the woman who swung at the man last week. now she is solving legal issues over auctioning off that brown bag. the funds will benefit a charity. the gunman shot himself in the end of that horrific story. nearly 1 million u.s. kids live in areas where there are no local pediatricians. a new study finds that the
state with the lowest numbers of pediatricians include mississippi, arkansas, oklahoma, maine, and idaho. the deal to sten the bush tax cuts may spur an economic recovery in this country. that's the possible thinking on this. but over the weekend, vice president joe biden says the whole thing still troubles him. >> the president wrote in "audacity of hope" that he found the bush tax cuts for the wealthy morally troubling. is that still his sphwhreef. >> still his belief. mine as well. >> you're going to compromise on that. >> look, the idea is to compromise to save people who are drowning. it is unfortunate we were put in the position where the republicans nade clear they were ready to let everything fall unless they got these tax cuts. they're for two years, they're for two years, and we're coming back and going at it again. martha: very interesting comments by vice president biden. and what impact might all of this have in 2012?
let's bring in nancy skinner and andrea tantarosa. fox news contributor. good morning, ladies. what if it works is the question? you know, what is joe biden going to say if allowing people to keep their taxes just the way they are, and that's what we have to remember here, we didn't stick money in peoples' pockets, we left the structure the way it is, what if that spurs an economic recovery, will joe biden still say this? >> well, it's been in place since 2001 when bush signed the bill, so it's been in place. i don't think keeping something in place is going to spur the recovery. this was a situation in which a very unique -- a very unique one in which both sides, it's almost like mutually assured destruction, in order to get the unemployment benefits and keep middle class tax cuts the democrats had to give the rich $900 billion
more. martha: here's the thing. they're not giving them anything. that's my point. they're not giving them anything. it's not their money to begin so, so they're not giving them anything. they would have been taking money away from them. >> in 2001 -- this was not an obama thing, okay? we had to decide -- and the reason why is that a sunset clause was put in that bill, in case we had deficits and guess what, we have huge deficits, so they should have all been really let to expire, but we have this terrible recession, so obama was over a barrel and had to make a very tough choice. martha: i got your point. i got your point. >> there are other situations inic like this in which they need each other to find common ground. martha: what did you think about what joe biden said? glie think he was being very honest. here you talk about deficits now, it's almost like someone having janice dean talking about a heat wave in the northeast right now. i think joe biden was
speaking very, very candidly about the reality, that they're going to fight in two years, martha, to rejigger this deal again. i mean, this was temporary, both sides, both bases are absolutely furious and i think it really depends on what happened with the economy. if the economy does start to improve i think you're going to see democrats start to argue that we don't need them to continue. martha: i think you're right about that. >> republicans are going to come out and say we need them because they've kept them afloat but democrats are doing this little experiment right now and i do believe that the economy gets better, they're going to make the case that we do not need taxes continued for those making over 250. martha: let's take a broader look at capitol hill, you've got this compromise over the tax deal and nancy, the spending bill was scuttled and as you heard matt kibbe talking about with bill hemmer, that was a watershed moment. to say no to that earmark-laden bill was a real wake-up call for everybody, then you add to that the fact that health care may be in real trouble,
when you look at some of these judges' decisions that are coming down, how does the democratic congress look at this trifecta and feel good about it? >> well, they can't feel good about it, because john boehner came in the day after he was elected and said i reject the word compromise, and i don't think the american people -- that's why these approval numbers are so high for congress. the idea that you reject compromise at all levels, you know, what -- you're going to go back and try to repeal the health care provisions that keep your kid on health care until they're 26, that have really fixed some of the major problems, are they really going to do that? the tea party, the far right, has so influenced the republican party that nothing is going to get done, and that is a real shame, because we have major, major issues. martha: i think the overall message, andrea, is about spending, isn't that sort of the clarion call and isn't that why health care may be in trouble and that spending bill went nowhere?
>> yeah, look, i do think you're going to -- >> martha: old on nancy. >> the republican and democrat -- >> health care -- can i ask andrea -- >> martha: we can debate about that, too, andrea. finish your thoughts and -- >> i think republicans and democrats are going to go with both of their bases absolutely furious i think it's going to be very hard going forward to get compromise, particularly in an election year. they're going to start to look at thele polls and say i got to worry about winning. at the end of the day politicians need to look like they're doing something. bothand republicans are going to be faced with that challenge. and the one area i hope they come together, you hear them talking about it, is cutting the decifit. so i think that spending has to be the most important issue. on the other issues like repealing obamacare, you're absolutely right, total gridlock, an energy bill, total gridlock, immigration, more gridlock. at the end of the day they have to look at spending and i think obama is going to do it in the state of the union and republicans are going to talk equally as much about it. martha: we're going to talk
to karl rove about that. wanted to talk about the congressional agenda and karl is going to talk about the president and where we may see him striking out to a note of stronger leadership in the state of union. all that's going to be interesting, coming up. thank you, andrea, nancy, great to see you as always. bill: all right. here we go. the fox news alert now, overseas where a top british antiterror official says it was necessary to take action in order to protect the public from possible attacks across the u.k., 12 men now in custody, darren little is with sky news, live in england now with the latest details there. hello. >> reporter: good morning to you. as you say, 12 men in custody, after dawn raids in four cities across the united cijdom this morning. three house us in the street behind me are currently being searched by police officers in connection with this investigation. all of the men, ages 17-28
years old, arrested in connection with terrorism offenses and they are being questioned in three different police force areas. this is really a logistical nightmare for the police who are trying to coordinate this investigation. now, we understand that there was surveillance and intelligence on these 12 men, going back many months from the british police sources and the security services, but recent activity up, and that is why they decided it was time to move in. first thing this morning. in terms of what they were planning, possibly -- really, it's very sketchy. we're hearing it was not a mumbai-style attack but there have been suggestions this may have been a pre-christmas attack in multiple locations in the united kingdom. that is just conjecture at the moment. all we do know is the 12 men have been arrested and the searches are on at least 12 different properties around the kingdom. it will take some time to continue. we'll wait to see how it
unfolds. bill: it is breaking news. darren little, thank you, with sky news out of england. thank you. martha: congressman peter king is under fire this morning for plans to hold hearings on home grown islamic terrorism, the new york republican warns that al-qaeda is increasingly trying to recruit muslims living here in the united states. he wants a house investigation. muslim groups are slamming this idea, saying they're fearing the hearings could fuel antimuslim sentment, saying that most are outstanding citizens, but he believes the hearings are necessary and will provide greater security. we'll watch this and see how it goes. bill bell we're wondering whether or not washington gets the message, is it ready to tackle an exploding decifit? only moments ago a leading tea party member says pulling earmarks and canceling that bill last friday is bigger than the election of six weeks ago. what a statement that is. martha: interesting. bill: is he right? we'll ask republican senator david vitter if he agrees, only moments away.
martha: we've got some new developments in this story of a showgirl in las vegas, police now saying they have found her car, abandoned, 31-year-old debbie flores naveaz was last seen last thursday. family and friends say it's unlike her to just pack up and go so now they fear she may be in danger and now that police have found her car the investigation is going further. they're not saying whether they suspect foul play. bill: republican senator david vitter is now speaking out, praising the defeat of a trillion dollars spending bill. you see the debt clock behind us there, 13.8 trillion, he along with several lawmakers say that
adding to the $14 trillion debt is not the way to boost the economy. only moments ago, tea party activist matt kibbe here in our newsroom says that move from last week is historic: >> this is the biggest victory yet for the father. it's bigger than the elections and it is a significant shift in theture of -- in the culture of spending in washington, d.c. bill: does this senator agree? david vitter is with me. >> good morning, good to be with us. bill: thank you for your time, happy holidays and merry christmas to you and your family. is kibbe right? >> i think in this sense he is. the election was about the american people speaking out on spending and debt which was significant, but this killing of the omnibus was about congress actually listening to the people on spending and debt. even bigger and more historic and more of a culture shift. bill: you say you think it's a true shift in washington and the way washington does
business. >> it's the beginning of one. we need to follow up and we need to make sure it's a trend and not a blip, but it's absolutely the beginning of one. it was largely unexpected, it was the leadership calling republicans on our side and shifting about nine of them. it was a big, big deal. and the beginning i think of a major shift. bill: what about the issue of earmarks? they've been ripped from the bill so far. we'll see whether or not they live to see another day. what do you think of that? >> well, i think it's all going to come down to what the republican house does next year. if they truly stand by their line in the sand and say we're not passing any appropriation bill with earmarks, then they have the ability to enforce that ban, so i think it's really going to be up to them. bill: so you're okay with that? because you had 66 earmarks, i believe, is that right? >> well, those were submitted months ago but i'm okay with that because the null and scope of earmarks has gotten completely out of control. and this bill, it was 6000,
it was $8 billion. bill: so even you have changed. the whole republican conference for the first time three weeks ago voted to not submit earmarks. that was a major change on the senate side. >> what do you think brought that change? i mean, what convinced you? >> two things, first of all, the whole use of armarks has grown exponentially so a decade ago they were much smaller in number compared to that so the abuses have grown with that and the election was a clear indication that the american people are saying it has to change fundamentally. >> so it was the vote of six weeks ago that changed your mind. >> in large part, sure. bill: so millions of dollars in earmarks that were going to your home state of louisiana will not happen? >> that's what -- >> bill: do you think -- do you want to take a shot right now at defending the earmarks that were on the
table for you specifically? >> the request i made was very valid, significant projects, a lot of them, heavy projects, the restoration of the protection of our coasts, but the fact of the matter is the whole practice of earmarks has grown exponentially and that has slumped good, valid projects. what we need to do is have a ban in place to get back to fiscal sanity, to get back towards balancing the budget and i'm okay with that because i think that's clearly the necessary step in terms of where we are, in terms of where we are in debt, and spending, and abusive earmarks. >> what do you figure is the impact of the people of louisiana without the tens of millions of dollars that you had requested not going there now? >> i think the people of louisiana are fine with this, because they recognized that the spending and debt issue is completely out of control. they stated clearly, just
like folks around the country stated clearly, that that has to be congress' top priority. bill: so you believe the american people now are ready and willing to accept the pain of less spending, the cuts that will no doubt impact and affect their lives, you think they're ready for that? >> we'll see next year. i think the key time is going to be early next year leading up to the debt limit vote which could be any time from march to may and i think republican necessary congress are going to demand major change before any of us even consider the debt limit vote for march to early may. i think that's really a critical moment that we're leading up to there. bill: that will hold some drama. what if they don't. >> what if who doesn't? >> what if they don't accept that? >> i don't understand. bill: what if members of the republican party that you
just laid out for us right now don't vote for less spending, what is the effect there? >> i think most republicans are going to absolutely demand significant action towards the last spending leading up to this debt limit vote, so i think clearly we're going to do that, and the critical time period will be the first quarter of next year. bill: this could be a watershed moment, what you describe for us today, and it will hold significance -- i'll give you the last word in a mementoo significance when we come back after the new year break. this could be a moment in the country that will be a reversal. would you describe it that way? >> i think the defeat -- yeah, i think the defeat of this omnibus bill is leading up to a critical, critical period, the first quarter of next year, on spending and debt, and i think big things are either going to happen or not happen in a fairly obvious, dramatic way in the first quarter on spending
and debt. and the moment that it's all leading up to is this next increase. bill: i understand. senator, thank you for your time, you describe a fascinating point that we all want to figure out when it happens, if it happens. thank you and merry christmas to you. >> merry christmas. bill you got t martha. martha: let's go to california for a moment now. mudslides and flooding there, more rain on the waivment we have unbelievable weather happening across the country. many homes are hanging in the balance as a result of these mudslides. the latest on the danger in california. bill: tonight's sky could be the darkest it's been in nearly 500 years! what's going on? martha: pretty cool. are you going to wake up and watch?
before the christmas holidays. take a look at this. british police arrested 12 men suspected of plotting multiple attacks throughout the u.k. details on these terror plots are still forthcoming. we're going to get more information on this throughout the day. but they're not making that public yet, and this comes only days after u.s. agencies were already put on high alert for possible christmas terror attacks here on our soil. we saw what happened in sweden as well as concern grows really across the western world. joining me now is k.t. mcfarland, fox news security analyst and host of def con three. when i woke up we early -- very early and san this banner across our screen at fox news i thought here we go again. >> don'ting surprised. last week, intelligence officials warned everybody we should expect something over the holidays, in the united kingdom, europe and the united states and i think there's what you've seen. i talked to the head of mirks h. of five, their fbi, the head of m.i.-5 north
america and he said in great britain, there are roughly 2000 terror suspects, but -- that they have on a watch list that they follow all the time who could become operational at any moment and i think that's what you've seen. martha: do you think that our terror watch list is as good as theirs? >> i would hope so but i doubt it. and see, what's really worrisome about what you're seeing this morning at the u.k. and what we have seen recently in the united states is there's a change, you know. al-qaeda terrorists, they're adaptive, they know we're looking for them so what they're trying to do is recruit home grown terrorists, people with american passority -- passports who could be one-off suicide bombers, go to the mall, anywhere in the country and move at will. martha: let's hope they catch them before they do anything. i want to get your thoughts on this start treaty ats well. mitch mcconnell has said he won't vote for it, it's another effort to get something through before christmas. what do you think? is it a good deal or bad
deal? >> it's too late. it's a bad deal. you need to consider it, and the problem is there's ambiguity on missile defenses. the russians say the words mean one thing, that we can't develop them, president obama said oh, no, we can develop them. let's trust but clarify. my old boss used to say trust but verify. martha: and verification is the big question. >> trust but verify. it's ambiguous. martha: let this one go? >> you know, if they really were serious about it they would have put it in front of don't ask don't tell, they would have put it in front of the dream act. at this point, you want to get some clarification, some language changed, some sense of the senate resolution, that our hands are not tied, not because we're worried as much now about russianmisms but iran, north korea. martha: k.t., thank you very much. >> thank you. martha: merry christmas to you. >> merry christmas and happy new year. k.t. is the host of fox news.com live at 10:00, go to live, fox foxnews.com on the online streaming practical
and catch her great show there. we love her. we like her here, we like her there! bill: any moment now a major vote on nukes between the u.s. and russia. there's a lot of warning to -- work to be done on this. is it a good deal for america? we'll go to the white house for details on that. martha. martha: the government plans a move that will make some very popular mortgages more expensive. how could this affect this fragile housing market out there? stuff you need to know, folks. we will be right back with more. a unique sea salt added to over 40 campbell's condensed soups. helps us reduce sodium, but not flavor. so do a few lifts. campbell's.® it's amazing what soup can do.™
martha: all righty, on a monday morning, are you keeping score, folks? we have a win, loss and draw for the white house, down to the wire on a final issue for the lame duck congress, victory in repooling the don't ask, don't tell policy and, a tie on tax cuts, with an extension of unemployment benefits and defeat dream act and today a crucial treaty is on the table and that is how we start a brand-new hour, as the sort of snowy haze is over the white house this morning, good morning, bill hemmer. good morning, everybody. bill: i'm bill, martha. martha: yes, you are! bill: we have it worked out! right? okay, the start treaty, a pact with russia to slow the arms race between washington and moscow, leading republicans have serious concerns about the treaty. martha: but it's a vital piece of the president's agenda and he talked about it in great detail, mike emmanuel is live at the
white house, why are some republicans opposed to the deal? >> reporter: several republicans expressed concerns about the impact it may have on missile defense and we heard over the weekend and president obama sentence a letter to leaders on capitol hill saying the treaty will have no impact on america's desire for missile defense but is not clear if the russian feel the same way and a lot of republicans would like clarification on that, obviously, the white house needs republican votes, and need 67 votes, to pass the treaty and there are 58 democratic votes, and, so, the workers under way to try and get some republicans on board. yesterday, senator mitch mcconnell, the republican leader, in the the senate, said he was a "no" vote and at that point, white house press secretary robert gibbs told me, quote, we respect the senator's view but we were not surprised by it, and, certainly were not counting on his support to achieve senate approval, so, the work is underway, trying to see if they can get republican votes and get the treaty passed,
martha. martha: that was one of the developments we saw over the weekend, right, mike. >> absolutely, obviously the one the white house is most ecstatic about is don't ask, don't tell, something they have promised, the gay aspect of president obama's base, and, so, it's not clear extly when the president will sign it, but, they are very happy to deliver that for a key constituency for him and the draw, may be on tax cuts, where the president's happy about it, and, also, so are leading republicans, like, senator mcconnell, and the losses you mentioned, the dream act, which the white house was hoping to do to resolve the status of the children of illegal immigrants, who didn't break the law themselves, may have been in the country fire long time, a -- fo and giving them a pass if they go to college or join the military and the president will continue to work the issue and the republicans say there is nothing against the children but they want to fix the borders first that he had president says he'll work on the problem of
illegal immigration in the months and years ahead. martha: we'll talk about the president and whether or not he's making a come back as charles krauthammer said friday and karl rove is coming up to talk about the future for the president, an interesting conversation, mike. always an interesting conversation with you! thank you, sir. see you soon. bill: new details in the future of u.s. troops in afghanistan. the vice president, joe biden, now saying we'll be out of the country by 2014. quote, some hell or high water. it appears to go further than previous statements, even from his boss in fact. only last month, president obama said there will be a reduced presence by 2014. but, the numbers remain in question. administration plans to start withdrawing troops next summer, they say. martha: what a year it has been, earthquakes, heat waves, floods, volcanos, landslides, we have seen. and that is not all. 2010 is now on the -- in the record books as the deadliest year in terms of natural disasters ever. nearly a quarter of a million people died, due to natural
disasters. which is more than terror attacks and the past 40 years combined. 18 countries broke records for the hottest day ever and those are some of the pictures of what people withstood and what has been a tough year. bill: from korea now, south korea is going ahead with military drills and those exercises, taking place on the island north korea attacked last month. right now, the north condemning the drills and says, it will not hit back and that announcement coming as new mexico governor bill richardson wraps up a trip to north korea and he's a frequent unofficial envoy in the country, and greg palkot watching the story out of london, first, what do we know would you the latest drill. >> the artillery drills went off pretty much as planned, on monday afternoon, and korea time, lasted about 90 minutes, and, artillery shooting into the sea south and west of the island, the island in the news last month and sits 6 miles off the north korean coast near a deputy maritime border and south
korea staged the drill last month, north korea responded and did damage and we saw it and they threatened greater retaliation and this time south korea was ready an evacuated folks into bunkers, away from the borders and scrambled fighter jets and 20 u.s. military personnel were on the island for this one, and nothing this time, north korea backed away in their official media they, in fact called the drills reckless but dismissed them as child's play and they will not respond to every, single north and south korean visit. bill: what role did governor richardson's visit have, if any. >> reporter: the question is why did they back off and blink. one reason could be they were just aware of the great risks that that could ensue if they did counter these artillery drills and the larger reason, from my discussions with analysts in the region, the past
few hours, this is just part of a broader pattern of north korea activity, they threaten, sometimes attack and get the world's attention and pull back and make some concessions, and, in fact it is new mexico governor bill richardson who has been in pyongyang the past four days and at the end of the day might have been a conduit for the game-playing and the concessions sound good, regarding the suspect nuclear program, allowing iae inspectors in and perhaps, selling off some of the nuclear stock, but, critical, bill, is they are only halfway measures and only trying to sweeten the pot and get to what north korea wants and that is, not just respectability but aid, funds, fuel, you name it, it needs everything. so, from what i hear, from my contacts in south korea, yes, they are glad north korea didn't
attack. bill: the games will continue and mind games, more than that, greg palkot, with the latest from korea. martha: government backed mortgages are part of what makes the housing market run and the treasury department is planning to scale back uncle sam's support of the controversial use of fannie mae and freddie mac and it could be a double edged sword for the homeowners out there. including most of us, peter barnes joins me from the fox business network, peter, what is all of this about? >> martha, it is more than fannie mae and freddie mac, washington is reexamining government subsidies that make it cheaper to buy a house, across the board. experts say the changes will result in raising the cost of borrowing. the cost of home ownership. over time. now, one big target, the tax deduction homeowners get for mortgage interest. washington may limit it for wealthier taxpayers, to help reduce those trillion dollar budget deficits and, as you mentioned, the obama administration is promising to overhaul mortgage giant fannie mae and freddie mac. to prevent taxpayer bailouts in the future, they've already
gotten $150 billion, in taxpayer bailouts. now, to avoid bailouts in the future, the company needs to raise fees and charges and joe murin, the former head of the government national mortgage association, says, taken all together they could raise the rates on traditional 30-year fixed rate mortgages by 1.5 to 2 percentage points, and, if that happens, today, rates would go from about 5%, to 6 or 7%. martha? martha: what is the impact on the housing markets and, for, you know, people, home ownership and the biggest investment, in most of our portfolios. >> reporter: that's right and that is one thing policymakers have to weigh carefully here is the impact on the housing market and the economy, it is a big part of the economy, home ownership is part of american dream. so, that is a big factor as well. but, you can count on all of the big lobbyists down here for the realtors, for the homebuilders and for the banks. to try and fight this. martha: all right, maybe we'll get to better equilibrium in the
housing market at the end of this, thank you very much, peter barnes. >> martha, thank you. bill: 9 minutes past the hour, busy week in washington continues up to the christmas break. how does the rate for the president, some used an old phrase from bill clinton causing him the comeback kid. is that the case? what does karl rove think about that? he's on deck, next. martha: there he is! we'll ask him in a moment, anarchy, angry protesters trying to take over the government. who sparked this panic and where it is playing out, just ahead. bill: and, she predicted the collapse of the banking industry and now she says there is a new financial bombshell, in the u.s. chamber, and, it is happening in your state.
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4th former president to appear with billy graham at the library in north carolina and he has sold 1.75 million books, "decision points." martha: a question, as president -- is president obama on the come-back trail? charles krauthammer, believes that he is. he says republicans who helped the president to pass the tax cut deal are, quote, clearing obama's path and sprinkling it with rose petals, but senate republican leader mitch mcconnell is pushing back on the notion and he says that's note case at all. karl rove joins me, a former senior advisor to george w. bush and a fox news contributor. also the author of "courage and consequence" now available in paper back. good morning, good to see you. >> good morning, how are you. martha: i'm fine. the back and forth between charles krauthammer -- this is an argument over whether or not the tax cut agreement didn't
have enough spending cuts in it and whether or not it is essentially a second stimulus, and whether that
turns out to be a good thing for the president. >> well, i tend to view this more along the lines of mitch mcconnell, than the world's smartest man, charles krauthammer. continuing all the bush tax cuts for the next 2 years will be better at keeping things in the economy with a chance of being better rather than worse and to let them expire would have been a disaster and to have raised taxes on small business would have hurt the economy and we kept damage being done to the economy and that will be helpful to obama and he'll be in a better place than the president would be otherwise and the bill was not what the president liked and he'll be attacking it in two years, particularly the tax cuts, for the top brackets, and, the -- some of the measures that were in the bill, kept worse thing from the happening, for example the president wanted to -- a continuation of essentially a welfare program, that -- a tax
cut called making work pay and instead substituted a 2% cut in the payroll tax and these will have minor effects on the economy and the effect is more they'll keep worse things from happening and will keep, unlikely that the 2% payroll tax cut will be continued after one year, if we put the "making work pay" transfer payments into the bill, it would have been more likely to keep them forever. martha: ultimately the economy will decide whether or not the things were the right decision and that will clearly reflect on the president, because it always does, people vote their pocketbooks when they look at the presidency and, you know, it is interesting comments by john podesta, calling on the president and everyone wonders which way he'll tack come jury. and he says he needs to be more presidential and look for ways to define himself, things that are within the executive purview, ways that he can be obsessed with jobs and that has to be the -- so he can be aligned with the job recovery in the country and in that way will
change his presidency in january. >> it is interesting advice, first, ignore congress and rely upon executive orders and what happened to the democrats who screamed about bush, exercising too much executive authority, ignore the congress after the congress has been overturned by the american people, and that doesn't seem like a good plan and ignore the republicans, yeah, well you have been doing that for two years, how does that work out for you, mr. president. martha: karl, wait, isn't he really saying the president allowed congress to sort of write the legislation for him and they drove the agenda, drove it on health care and drove it on stimulus, and i think he's saying, separate yourself from congress, and be presidential. find ways to separate yourself. >> well, i agree with them about the criticism but not would you the solution, if you have outsourced -- writing the legislation of congress and done a lousy job the and is not to make more speeches and go to the american people. they have been doing that. the president went out in 51 weeks, made 58 speeches about health care. martha: that's true. >> it didn't work out too well. i say use the teleprompter less
and get your hands dirty and get substantive legislation written with congress in cooperation with democrats and republicanses and maybe it won't be the big, humongous, 2,000 page bills, maybe 100 or 25 page bill people actually read but won't have all the incumbent problems and create all the division and enormous uncertainty that health care cap-and-trade and the stimulus bill, these things are huge pieces of. liz: where he told congress you go write them and you a want to do is sign them and he has got en frankly three pieces of junk, who got all the way to his desk and one couldn't even pass the democrat senate with a 51-49 margin and i hope as a politician and a political guy, i hope the president follows it, and as an american i hope he take it and throws it in the trash can you, one more question about communications departments with in the west wing. you have lived in that environment and know what goes on there and the president is the president and he's the top guy but the people around him are important. and, it looks as if david axelrod will head back to
chicago shortly and work on the re-election campaign and there is also talk that maybe robert gibbs is not going to be in his position anymore, we don't know, that remains to be seen and if you put in people like bill burton or jay carney or david plouffe takes on an instrumental role in advising the president, in the west wing, what will we see then. >> robert gibbs said he'd like to replace david axelrod and burton would be a step down from gibbs who was already, i think, a less than add graduate press secretary, press secretary is supposed to return phone calls an answer e-mails of people in the press corps and he doesn't, and, having covered the white house, joe biden's chief communications guy, would have in my opinion a better understanding of the needs of the press corps, and better serve the president but it will be a critical moment for the president. personnel is policy. and, policy is direction. and, what -- the mindset of the people the president comes in to replace rahm emanuel on a permanent basis, and, replace david axelrod, in arguably his
lows clo closest advisor and caused rahm emanuel to think of ways to exit an exit early will be critical decisions and we'll learn about the future course of the administration by the nature of the people the president brings in. martha: very significant. karl, always good to talk to you, merry christmas to you. >> merry christmas to you, martha. >> good to see you, see you soon, karl. bill: the next financial crisis would happen in your state where you left now, how about a trillion dollars in ious from the across the country? there's another dangerous warning, stephen moore reacts to that from the "wall street journal" in minutes. martha: and tensions boil over, after a presidential election. we'll explain what is going on, in these streets, as the police -- part of this video, when we come back. ♪ [ male announcer ] you know her. we know diamonds.
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martha: unbelievable scenes and this one is coming from the former soviet republic, belarus and police beating and arresting people at a protest rally, post-election and 7 of the 9 candidates also reported to have been taken into custody in the presidential election and international observers accuse belarus's leaders, called europe's last dictator as using fraud and violence to stay in power and his name is alexander lup shenko and it is said he got 80% of the vote in the preliminary counted and people on the streets aren't confident, in that votes. bill: a perfect storm out of mother nature bringing parts of southern california to its
knees. it has been raining for days and the hillsides were ravaged by wildfires and, making the conditions ripe for massive flooding and flash floods, and, our reporter from kttv, is live there, how is it this morning. >> reporter: bill you are giving me a little bit of luck, it has been raining all morning long and all weekend long and looks like we're getting a bit of a break but a little break, as we know there are more storms to come. this is malibu and normally you see the surfers going tots beach in the morning and a major thorough fare, the pacific coast highway and we have a ten mile stretch here that has been shut down, because the rain over the weekend, triggered a big mudslide, a mudslide, that had rain, and toppled boulders, and on the other roadwto the roadwa
and cal-trans crews, between malibu and oxnard, cleaned it up and, geologists are concerned, the hillsides are soaked and wanted to be sure it is safe before they open it back up and it caused problems all over the southland and we have had numerous accidents, flooded roadways, and downed trees, and, some delayed flights, power outages, and we know that there is a potentially -- potentially more to come. it could have been a much worse situation. i have to tell you. we have covered these in the past, and, in -- and as we talked about the burn area, people there are bracing for the potential for mudslides, and there are 40 homes, destroyed. and, now, they are bracing for more, and we are told... [audio difficulties]. ... all is said and done by wednesday... [inaudible].
bill: the key word there is wednesday. i did hear that at the end there, bob, thank you, your signal is breaking up a little bit. we were able to beat the rain in that live shot apparently for the first time in 3-4 days but could not beat the technical aspect of that. bob, thanks, kttv, our affiliate in l.a., raining in southern california, a woman, one of the leading people to call the financial collapse of 2008, now says what you need to be worried about is what is happening in your home state. it is the single largest threat, she says, to the american economy, but hardly anybody in america is paying close attention to it. steve moore of the "wall street journal" will react to that, coming up, right after this. hey, lawrence, my parents want to talk to you.
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british police say that are suspected of planning a terror attack days after a bombing in sweden that did not, fortunately, take any innocent lives and a first official indication that washington will seek charges against julian assange, founder of wikileaks and is accused of putting stacks of leaked documents on-line and joe biden says the departments of justice is looking at charges against him and, wicked weather in europe, slowing holiday travel around the globe, rain, slow, bitter, bitter, cold, and tough situation for folks waiting for flights and thousands stranded across the continent, bill, not good. bill: and freezing temperatures, well below zero. dozens of state governments could be on the brerink of goin broke, pension plans devastating state budgets and economists say it could be the next financial nightmare in america. like this: >> it has tentacles as wide as anything i have seen and next to housing is the single most
important issue in the united states, and, certainly, the largest threat to the u.s. economy. >> why aren't people paying attention. >> because they don't pay attention until they have to. bill: and now they have to, stephen moore, senior writer for the o"wall street journal" with me now, and you have been talking about it for a year-and-a-half. >> i was going to say, it's not a news flash to me or people who are regular readers of the "wall street journal" or regular viewers of fox news, we have been sounding the alarm for many, many months, and, it is correct that we have the -- remember the financial bubble that burst with the high technology stocks, and -- in 1999 and, the housing bubble burst in 2008, and i believe the next big bubble to burst, in the u.s. economy, will be not just those state government deaths, but, also, municipalities, we're talking about cities around the country, from city to -- chicago to los angeles, and, are not going to be able to pay for these enormous public employee pension time bombs that are going to burst in the next few
years. bill: "60 minutes" reported there are a trillion dollars in ious, spread out among the states. if they can't pay these bills, stephen what is the effect of that. >> first let me add something, a trillion dollars for the states, but, bill, another trillion dollars for the city governments, so, that is a two trillion time bomb and the question is what happens, here's what i think -- it will be a train wreck. what will happen, bill is these cities and states will not be able to pay their bills because of these enormous pensions and we are talking about people retiring at the age of 54, 55 with a $100,000 a year pension, twice as high as a private sector worker, and soon you will have a conflict. cities and states will have to decide, do we pay out the pensions or do we provide the money for the schools, the roads, the parks, the hospitals, all other city services and state services, will be squeezed for money, bill, but -- >> we don't have that money and chris christie, the governor of new jersey, has been in front of every camera for a year as well,
talking about this, since he won the election and he said, we don't have the money, we don't have the cash, so you can assume now, there will be some cities and some states will take the tough medicine. okay. do they pull out of it sooner than others? what is the effect or what is the impact on the people living there. >> i think, bill, there are two options here. option number one, is, governors like chris christie go to these unions and say, we cannot afford these pension benefits, and health care benefits, we'll have to renegotiate, move them more in lean with the private sector taxpayers, what they are getting in their pensions and if the unions resist that, bill, i really believe, option number 2, which is, you know, armageddon, for states and cities to start doing -- basically, declaring bankruptcy, and as a way of getting out of these contracts, that they cannot afford and, basically, then once -- as you now, once you declare bankruptcy, then you can renegotiate these contracts you start from the scratch. and that may be an option.
bill: if you declare bankruptcy the contracts become null and void and you have to renegotiate. >> that's right and then, what you need, what these city officials and governors have to do is convert these pension plans into 401k type plans and the workers and the cities and the states put money in, and it accumulates over time, but you will not give these workers, these really generous, defined benefit plans that are unaffordable. bill: the new york census bureau, a report out, retirees in the private sector get an annual benefit salary of $13,000. a state or local government retiree it is more than $27,000. that is twice, just in new york. >> those numbers are low to me. i have seen, states like ohio, illinois, california, bill, for, say, teachers who worked 25, 28 years on the job, who are maybe 55 years old, can retire with pensions as high as $100,000 a year. bill: that may be the case, if
you are in the teachers union, this is nypensionbomb.org, the group that is reporting this. stephen, i know you have been talking about it, the dive rec ni -- day of reckoning is here. >> have a merry christmas. bill: you, too. martha: there's a new push across the pond to block internet porn and it would require anybody who wants to view pornography of any kind, on the internet, to have to sort of sign something, to register, to opt in, to have that service provided for them, can you imagine how many people want to sign up for that? supporters argue it will keep children from seeing questionable images but, some say it amounts to censorship, and, that parents should be the ones deciding what their children and cannot do on-line and is a very sticky area of the law, joining me now is our legal panel, criminal defense attorney, tamara holder, and former federal prosecutor doug burns, welcome to you both. good morning. it really caught my eye, because, what they are trying to do in the u.k., is suggest that
internet service providers should force people to say, yes, i would like to view pornography and sign up for that. who knows, your employer could get their hands on that information and a lot of people could probably get their hands on that information and it is an interesting idea, tamara. >> yeah, well it has nothing to do with privacy, martha. it has to do with child abuse images, being swapped across the internet and has nothing to do with going after internet service providers. it has to do with on-line groups like facebook, my space, windows, where these criminals are being on-line and they are swapping child abuse images, of children, and, we need to go after the krimgs, not after isp providers, because, porn is legal. it is a legal business, a multibillion-dollar business. martha: and you have been doing a lot of work in this area and it is great. doug, it is a slippery area of the law and talk to me about what can be done, does it infringe on people's first amendment rights, if they have
to signs up to view pornography and would that work in your opinion. >> a lot of times, what sounds like a good idea, let's face it has all kinds of problems, legal, practical and most importantly, by the way, technical, how will you put in technology to do that but tamara made a key distinction, legal pornography is going to raise serious, serious problems with censorship, it is not against law and they need to fine-tune the idea that was expressed and make it, a, involving children, and, b, of course, involving child pornography. but, you -- which is not only illegal but carries very, very harsh penalties under federal law here. so, in terms of legal pornography, it has lots of problems. martha: you are saying you wants to go closer in the neighborhood, basically and come down a level from the isp and you say, facebook having done the research you have done, is the worst. >> right. well, i'm getting ready to publish an article about this. and, there are rings that are on
facebook, and on other places as well, but, they have groups called pthc, pre-teen hard core and they are swapping the most disgusting images anybody could imagine seeing of children and here's the other thing, this has nothing to do with regulating speech. this has to do with security. now, what they are doing is, is predators are going after parents and they are becoming friends with parents on facebook, to get access to their children. this is a very serious issue. and, the same people doing this on-line are the same people who are in the parks, poking around, and, being weird. martha: you are right about that and that is a really good warning for parents, and if you don't know you shouldn't allow anyone to be your friend, that, is it really your friend? if they -- it may be a way as tamara points out, they are trying to gain access to your children which is serious and these photos fly all over the place, and, it is a terrible situation. thank you very much, you guys, for bringing it to our
attention, this morning, doug burns and tamara holder, have a great christmas and happy holidays to you both. bill: thank you. we are seeing this now, a terrifying... all right, put that on hold for a moment, anita vogel is standing by for the story out of california, where a million people, who drank tap water every day, may find out the tap water is not safe for them, anita is left in california with more. in l.a., good morning. >> reporter: good morning, bill, we're mostly talking about california's central valley, which is often called the bread basket to the world for fruits and nuts but ironically enough many residents there and some of the small towns are afraid to drink their own water. because, studies show it is not safe. it is a ritual becky goes through, every time she makes a pot of coffee. using bottled water instead of tapping into water from the sink. she is concerned about high levels of contaminants and nitrates found in the water supply, in her small town, of seville, california.
>> this is not supposed to be happening, we are one of the richest nationses in the world and are living like third-world countries. >> reporter: home to 350 residents, they are supported by the agriculture and livestock industries, orange groves and dairy farms an activists say as a result, the well water is polluted by nitrates, and crusty old pipes are cracked and expose the water to soot an sand. >> enough is enough. when -- we are demanding basic rights, we are not asking for handou handouts, we're asking for a basic service. >> reporter: at the only school, water fountains are disconnected and, health officials acknowledge nitrates cause serious health problems and add, those problems are not unique to seville. >> there are many hundreds, if not thousands of communities across the state that have similar and sometimes more severe problems. >> reporter: elevated levels of
nitrates are linked to cancer and kidney disease and can affect blood and oxygen levels in the body, especially vulnerable are babies, can cause blue baby syndrome and last year, the county applied for a state grant to fix the water problems and the state said we know it is a problem, but, bill, so far, no action. bill: anita thank you, on that story, h2o in l.a. martha: a terrifying scene playing out enin a school yard, dozens rush to lift up a car that ran over several innocent bystanders. unbelievable video. bill: wow! this is a critical piece of the president's agenda. this is the arms treaty being proposed with russia, faces an uphill battle. my next guest says any republican who votes for it, should be challenged during their next primary. whoa! martha: strong words and a pardon for this gentleman? billy the kid, you think it is
>> hi, everybody, happening now the top of the hours, lamb duck session of congress crashing to a close and one of the senators says the session is poison at this point and we'll get jon kyl's take on all the happenings on capitol hill from the start treaty and more and could polar bears go the way of the dinosaurs? some experts say yes. but there is a twist and you don't want to miss it. stay tuned for that and they'll breaking news of the day, in a few minutes, back to bill and martha. martha: we wanted to bring your attention to something that crossed the wires and we don't know if it is anything we need to be concerned about, but parts of new york city, 82nd street, 5th avenue, are closed down now due to police activity. and, this is a central part of
the city, up on the east side, across from the metropolitan museum of art. active this time of year and we'll keep a close eye on it and see if it turns into anything you need to know about. bill: in the meantime, senate democrats pushing for a vote on the president's number one priority, the start treaty a new arms control agreement with russia that would shape the nuclear relationship between the u.s. and russia and mitch mcconnell says he will not support it. my next guest says any republican that does support it deserves to be challenged for re-election. a former spokesman for the last four u.s. ambassadors at the united nations. good morning to you, in los angeles. >> good morning. bill: what is wrong with that? >> well, you know, if you look at just what happened at the united nations, yesterday, we had an emergency session, of the security council, on the north korea-south korea problem and the korean peninsula about ready to erupted into a crisis and the iran issue that is lingering, i
don't think now is the time and certainly not a lame duck session of congress is the time to ratify a treaty. no treaty has ever been ratified by the sentenate in a lame duck session and my piece in the "huffington post" simply says if a republican is going to vote for the treaty in a lame duck session of congress they need to be challenged and defend their position. this is an important foreign policy issue, and is certainly an issue for the white house, the obama team negotiated this with russia, and, i don't think we schrhould ram it through in session of congress that is only -- >> i gets your point. >> and is not a -- >> what the white house says, there are no nuclear inspectors in russia today and that is dangerous. on the surface that appears to be that way. you aren't sure what they are developing and who is getting it. >> well, i think that is a fair point and the treaty was negotiated in april, so, why did the wait so long and why are we pushing it through in a lame
suggest servings one of the major problems with the treaty is the preamble. it guarantees russia gets missile defense but it is nebulous about what america gets. the white house this weekend issued a letter and parts of the letter are very good and we should take parts of that letter, the language of that letter and we should insert it into the preamble. no future congress -- and certainly not the russians, are going to recognize a letter from the president, outside of the treaty. bill: okay, how would you make this better? >> i think you have to go back into it and renegotiate and take the language, some of the language on missile defense that the obama white house put in a letter this weekend, and go back into the treaty and fix it. we don't need to ram it through in a lame duck session of congress, let's take the time to really think about this. nobody wants to see a nuclear war, but, in today's world, where we have iran and north korea and a lot of nonstate
actors who are playing, you know, we see it, last christmas, with the christmas bomber, there are people who are out to get us and i'm not sure that we should be limiting our defense -- >> the christmas day bomber in all fairness had nothing to do with iran and north korea. but, definitely, islamic extremism. >> right. but he's a nonstate actor. bill: i gotcha. the 20 seconds i have left do you believe the white house wants the missile defense system, in any form or shape, in eastern europe? >> it is troublesome. i'm not sure. i hope they do but they certainly have demonstrated that they are not that serious, maybe back down from the russians' demands and russians are once again demanding things of us, if we don't pass the treaty, and so at the end of the day i don't have confidence in the white house to stand up to the russians. bill: rick grenell, thanks for your time today, nice see you, thank you. martha: we showed you a clip of this, it is terrifying, as a man drove his car into the crowded
school yard. and, then ignites an explosive device. wait -- this is an unbelievable thing, we'll show you in a minute. bill: check this out, once a very important building for our u.s. military. this is what that looks like today. falling apart. douglas kennedy on the efforts to fix this historic site for america. or even 20 years? call imperial structured settlements. the experts at imperial can convert your long-term payout into a lump sum of cash today. it's that time of year. time for campbell's green bean casserole. you'll find the recipe at campbellskitchen.com. campbell's.® it's amazing what soup can do.™
bill: chilling videotape out of a school yard in taiwan, we warn you it is graphic. but none was killed, four injured and none life-threatening, a 67-year-old man crashed his car through a gate just as students were arriving for class and running over at least four of them, police say, trapping one beneath the vehicle. as the teachers and parents rush into help, the driver ignites a
gas can, there is a small explosion and witnesses eventually are able to lift the car off the ground, and free those underneath it, and, still don't know what the motivation was, and, that is out of taiwan. martha: they lifted the car off the person. we didn't see at the end of that. i wanted you to know that. okay, here's a really interesting historic story, on the hudson river in upstate new york, not far from west pointed military academy, this historic castle was a key site for the armed service and the piece of history is literally falling apart today, and douglas kennedy has more on the story for us. hey, douglas. >> reporter: yes, it played an important role in preserving military history. but, now some say its own history could be lost forever. >> reporter: the north wall of bannerman castle rises over the
hudson above west point, and, historian tom johnson says the castle and the island are essential parts of american military history. some call this island the mecca of military memorabilia. explain that. >> well, it is. it was where many of the items that are now collected and sold on the military collecting market spent some of their time and were stored out here. >> stored by the island's name sake, francis bannerman who many referred to as the father of the army navy stores, in the 1890s he purchased 90% of the captured military goods from the spanish american war and, what did he do with that. >> some as stored here and that was the reason the island was purchased and the arsenal constructed. but, primarily, he sold it through the store, 501 broadway, new york city and his catalogue. ♪ ♪ >> reporter: in the 1940s and 1950s, the island and cassal were dear to the americans and were featured that's final scene
in ""hello dolly."" and, the travel marker in "north by northwest." >> hello there. >> reporter: today the majestic buildings are in disrepair. and, destroyed by decades of neglected. johnson fears more will fall soon unless something is done. and, done quickly. why is it important to save these structures. >> this is part of americana. the story of the bannerman business is the story of great entrepreneurial spirit. but, he also built this extraordinary structure that can be used in many ways, to teach an enlighten our lives. >> reporter: johnson has a plan to secure the castle and restore the bannerman residence to its original glory and he says anyone who wants to get involved can go to bannermancastle.org, for more information. that's it from here, martha, back to you.
martha: interesting story, bringing it to your attention, thanks, douglas kennedy. bill: a swat situation underway in long beach, california, one person is moving along the floor there and police have surrounded the building, luxury inn hotel and believe a murder suspect is inside, locked up and will not surrender. he's a suspect in a murder that happened last night, at a fatal shooting in southern california in the mission dwis. -- division and the s.w.a.t. team is responding to that hotel and we'll take a quick break, back in a moment with more of that. join the jaguar platinum celebration !
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