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>> a diplomatic crisis and obama obama's chinese policy. >> a year ago, from a base here in afghanistan our troops launched the operation that killed osama bin laden. the goal that i set to defeat al qaeda and deny it a chance to rebuild is now in our reach. >> welcome, that was president obama tuesday marking the one year and was of the death of osama bin laden. in a surprise trip to afghanistan. it is just one of the ways that the president and his re-election campaign have commemorated the killing. also, releasing an ad suggesting mom may not have done the same. in a "wall street journal" open
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ed it is said that it is hard to imagine eisenhower doing the same thing or lincoln. >> presidents advertise their accomplishments when they run for election, that is what they do. why is this different from that tradition? >>guest: they say real leadership consists of taking less credit than you deserve and more blame than you deserve. and president obama after his election said that the 39 he wanted to be most leak was helping con. if you look at lincoln's record the night after the surrender of robert e. lee he delivered what was his last speech disclaiming any responsibility for the victory, and, instead, looked ahead to reconstruction, and advocated black suffrage something that was what got him killed because of boothe being
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in the audience and he took responsibility of defense secretary at the time, and one of the generals, constantly, took responsibility for things that failed. gave credit to other force things that succeeded. >> but, go back to 2004, president obama george w. bush running for re-election ran an ad called "tested," which, really, advertised what they said was his leadership after the attack on the world trade center and they included some footage of the burning towers. how is this different, what obama is doing, saying, we got ben bin finally, how is it different from president bush taking credit for his post attack leadership? >>guest: i don't know he was taking credit as describing something that he had been exposed to what was not of his making and survived. here, in the clip you saw, and in the clip you might have then
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from his announcement of the killing of bin laden, it was "i" and "me," and that pronounce was in evidence. >> and his suggestion, his campaign suggestion, i guess he made it personally, that romney might not have done the same? >>guest: it is hard to find a word other than outrageous to describe that. and, i think the memo that went from panetta to the admiral accident. >> and panetta was c.i.a. director before the authority. >>guest: saying his authority was limited is revealing of the attitude that prevailed at time. >> how should a commander in chief behave? are you saying lincoln is the model? is that what you should do? >>guest: lincoln is the model. condition dix -- kennedy,
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eisenhower, george w. bush. >> you do not think george bush ever took credit. what about "mission accomplished." >>guest: he did not put that up, it was put up by other people and you look at remarks he made they were all by way of giving credit to the troops. >> the mistake the president is making is essentially saying, look, taking an exorbitant amount of credit where it was wrong the implication is the blame who have been those on executing the policy. >>guest: correct. >> and now, another issue, there was, this week in the news, what happened with the intelligence leading to the bin laden capture, a suggestion by two democratic senators, senator feinstein and senator levin, enhanced interrogation techniques such as waterboarding did not lead or produce evidence that led to the bin laden capture. they say the c.i.a. learned of the existence of the courier, his true name and location, through means unrelated to the
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c.i.a. detention and interrogation program. based on what you learned as attorney general, is this correct? >>guest: that is a half true designed to irritate anyone who knows the other half. yes, the c.i.a. knew about the name before it was disclosed by sheikh mohammed but it was from an insignificant course. when it came from sheikh mohammed after he was subjected to harsh interrogation techniques, they followed it up and found this guy was still active. and they went back to sheikh mohammed who was asked, again, and he said, well, he has been out of it for some time, and that was a lie, they knew it was a lie, and because he had lied about it, he enhanced even more the significance of the information. so the information did not become significant until they learned about it from him and the significance was officers by the fact that he lied.
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they learned about it after enhanced interrogation techniques. >> so based onen your experience you think the enhanced interrogation techniques have been, absolutely, critical to the progress we have made against al qaeda? >>guest: there were three people subjected to all the fuss is about three people subjected to the most extreme form of interrogation. and that including sheikh mohammed and the architect of the "uss cole" attack. we got much information to all he and we arrested a whole array of terrorists who were prepared to carry off attacks. and the director, former national director of intelligence said that this are people walking around, today, who would not be walking around today if those techniques had not been used. >> thank you, judge, this debate is not going to end but thank you for being here. paul ryan takes on the relinkous
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>> since we meet at america's first catholic university it is important to discuss how, as catholic and public life, my own personal thinking on the issues has been guided by my understanding of the church's social teaching. i don't believe the option for the poor means a preferential option for big government. >> that was the house budget committee chairman paul ryan last week delivering an address at georgetown university. the wisconsin republican has come under fire from some catholics on the list who claimed the blue print goes against the church's social teaching. and georgetown faculty and administrators sent a letter in
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advance of the appearance that read we would be remiss in our duty to you and the students if we did not challenge your continuing misuse of catholic teaching to defend a budget that decimates food programs for struggling families and weakens protections for the elderly and sick, and gives more tax breaks to the wealth of the few. joining the panel is "wall street journal" columnist and columnist mary anatassie. we are all catholics and grew up with catholic social teaching. to my mine the news is not is were georgetown faculty, by conservatives. that is an old story. the news is, that ryan is willing to mix it up in return. why is we the debate important? >> the debate is important for, i tell you, paw, it is important for reasons that both ryan's critics and paul ryan cite. that letter and his talk said
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the same thing. one in six americans are in poverty. now, the great society started in 1965, creating perhapses to address poverty. lyndon johnson. expansion of government. 50 years later one in six americans are in poverty? after spending trillions and trillions and trillions of particulars. now ryan is saying, first we need accountability. over why that has happened. second, the three main programs, two main programs created then, medicare and medicaid adding in social security, the costs are so large they drain money away from other programs for the poor. and paul ryan is saying we have to look at this and see where it is going. >> this is what the late senator, a democrat, and a catholic, used to make the case to me, that democrats should
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reform entitlements for seniors and medicare and social security because they are growing a huge wedge in the federal government and will soak up in the friends continue. and all spending there is, the money there is, and, there would be no money left for child care, or education, or transportation, much less defense. good liberal purposes. >> paul, why do you talk facts? facts are not what the left has used to grow the government. >> thank you is one my flaws. >> really, you have to stop that. paul ryan is freaking these guys out because he is taking their language and using it against them. he talked about how government dissolves the common good of society. how it dishonested the dignity of the human person. they think they own that language. and they think that language justifies big government. and he is saying, no, what you have done with this big government has actually undermined the things that
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catholic teaching is supposed to be about and that is why they are upset f paul ryan gets the morale high ground which they think they own, they will have to go back to the facts and the facts will not support their position. >> a lot of republicans and conservatives shrink in my experience from moral arguments. my failing, talking practical points of fact. but you leave them a monopoly on the moral rhetoric which is very power of in politics, on the left. ryan is saying, i will ty>á you on that same battlefield. >> well, he has created a phrase which is the immorality of debt. and, in fact, pope benedict has said if you live with debt that begins do impede the government's ability to provide bake services you are living in untrue and pope benedict is tag -- talking about europe which
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has had a commitment to social justice and programs and now we see europe as a case study in struggle with trying to pay for commitments that it can no longer afford and that is the issue that paul ryan is trying to raise and he now is putting it in moral terms. there is a moral issue and he deserve as good faith answer. >> if you look at europe one thing that we can see is when you have a debt crisis, and you finally have to do something about it, who suffers the most? and first? it isn't the georgetown faculty. it is the poor. who have their budgets and spending cut. i'm afraid i have to give myself the last word. we are out of time. of single mi. battle speech right? may i? [ horse neighs ] or too long, people have settled for single miles.
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all big drama in beijing, a prominent disdidn't escaped house arrest and got to the united states embassy, and he asked for release and guarantee of safe treatment but chen guangcheng said china threatened his family if he did not leave the embassy and the united states urged him to make a decision quickly and no he fears for his family's safety and want as asylum in america. he may get his wish with a visa to study not united states, what does this tell us about modern china and about obama's china policy? dramatic escape. he climbed over walls to escape house arrest, injured himself, is driven by heroic colleagues in the human rights community, 300 miles to beijing and stays in safe houses before they say
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he has to go to the embassy for safety. what does this episode toll us about china? >> during the cold war getting into the embassy gate would have been the happy ending but, now, it does not work out that way. what it tells us about china is contrary to the school of thought here is a country that is increasingly confident that it will be the second great power of the 21st century they are terrified of blind legal activistses living under house arrest in little villages. regimes that are afraid of a single person the way this regime is, are not as powerful as they seem. >> a quick point to what bret said, the dilemma for china under these circumstances, the hugely important country, a very large country, you cannot conduct your internal policy as though you were venezuela or
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cuba. which is what they are doing here. a country of this importance cannot operate that way and the chinese government has not figured out how to come to terms with its role in the world and the reality of people like this. >> what do you think the way the united states has handled it? >> it seems once chen guangcheng got in the embassy, he was -- it was bad timing because hillary clinton was going there to have the economic dialogue and he was rushed. it turns out look like a case of the blind leading the blind. they did not really know what they were doing. they tell leak they were under a lot of pressure, and they ended up saying to him, you have to make a decision right now, and that's really, it doesn't look good. >> such a break with the best american traditions. in 1956, a hungarian cardinal during the hungarian revolution sought sanctuary and lived not
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embassy for 15 years. 20 years ago, after the tiananmen square, a chinese scientist named fang mount sanctuary in the embassy and lived there a year and that stand off was resolved by the first bush administration and by kissinger. why was it so urgent to get this done in six days? >> they said, the administration says, that, in fact, chen guangcheng said he did not want to go to the united states he wanted to stay in china and when they officialed his safe treatment he was willing, he under his volition was willing to leave to be reunited with his wife. >> the question, paul, the question is whether he was rushed into make that decision in and he did not have much information from the outside. he didn't know what the circumstances that his wife was living under, which remain pretty harsh in the last couple of weeks. he didn't know about that until he was out and he got worried. >> was it right for the united
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states to trust the assurances of a chinese government that, sure, let him come out and let him study in another city or beijing government was complicity in this all along? >> i would say the last. there is no expectation, whatever, that chen would be allowed to go somewhere far away in china, and live in peace, because that is not the way the chinese operate. as far as the u.s. government, they came over there, secretary geithner, and clinton, with an agenda on other things which they considered important. mr. children is what someone called an inconvenient truth, okay? this is what happens in china and it happened to land right in the middle of their meetings with the chinese. all bret, can you, as the united states, allow any dissident to come to the embassy and how many can you let come in for asylum? >>guest: well, we can take as many as we possibly can.
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that's what the united states is about. that is why they had lady lebanonty during the tiananmen square demonstrations 22 years ago. if we fail at that we are doing ourselves a disservice, doing our values a disservice and the chinese people a similar kind disservice. that is what we stand for. everyone understands this. he wasn't going to the russian embassy. he wasn't going to the cuban embassy. he was going to the american embassy and we have to honor that mission. >> point of pride should be that they keep coming to the american embassy. we have to take one more break. [ male announcer ] what's in your energy drink? ♪ wer surge, let it blow your mind.
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>> the president of the united states was at white house correspondent dinner and had remarks about the secret service scandal. >> i really do enjoy attending the dinners, in fact, i had a lot more material prepared but i have to get the secret service
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home in time for the new curfew. >> sure, everyone laughed and then probably wondered why they laughed with secret service agents out there thinking this is no big deal to solicit hookers and why should she not think that when the president of the united states thinks it is a joke? >> mary? >> for governor of florida who upheld the second amendment this week, the g.o.p. convention is in tampa, as you know, this summer, and the mayor wanted to put a ban on guns in the whole city and the governor said there is a ban around the convention center, and that's enough. people get to carry their guns. >> okay. bret? >> a miss for elizabeth warren, the former consumer advocate for the obama administration. and now running for senate in massachusetts. made a claim at one point if her university career that she was a native american, and this is
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false, but some would say she 1/32nd native american and she says it is part of her family lore, part of my family lore is that i am the last emperor of russia, and i would love to take over windsor palace but it is a lie and i know it. >> does it get you a slot on the harvard faculty? if you have your own hit or miss send it to us, please at folk and visit us on the web. that's it for "the journal editorial report," thanks to my panel and to all of you for watching. >> the world trade center is symbol of liberty and pride. >> one world trade center rises with the news media


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