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>> greg: yeah. it depressede. >> andrea: are you depressed. we learned dana is trying to off herself. >> greg: slightly depressed. >> dana: glad you are back. i'm finally out of time. bye. >> bret: competition or cooperation? while pushing for a bipartisan immigration solution, president obama is also signaling he is prepared to go it alone. this is "special report." ♪ ♪ >> bret: good evening. i'm bret baier. the white house says it's a backup plan but news of presidential version of immigration reform caught many on capitol hill by surprise. even one of the president's own confy dammits admits it was a mistake -- confydants admits it was a mistake to go public. ed henry has the top story. >> it was only three weeks ago president obama was in las vegas suggesting he hold back
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on submitting his own immigration plan to give bipartisan talks a chance to succeed. >> if congress is unable to move forward in a timely fashion, i will send up a bill based op my proposal. and insist they vote on it right away. >> that promise to wait until congress goes first is shattered with the republicans furious over a leaked draft over a white house plan on immigration in "usa today." >> leaks don't happen in washington by accident. this raises the question that many of us continue to wonder about. does the president really want a result? or does he want another to beat up republicans? >> white house officials insist they had nothing to do with leaking the draft, details mirror what the president talked about in vegas. including an eight-year path to citizenship for the 11 million people living in the u.s. illegally. plus quicker path to citizenship as short as two years for illegal imfronts who came to america as children, the so-called dreamers.
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>> we need responsible permanent solution to problem of those here illegally. >> the leading republican on the issue senator marco rubio slammed and charged the president's plan is half baked. warning, "if actually proposed, the president's bill would be dead on arrival in congress leaving with us unsecured borders and broken legal immigration system for years to come." white house aides note there are twice as many border agents as there were a decade ago. dennis mcdonough in the first round of sunday interviews with white house chief of staff answered rubio directly, claiming that the white house proposal is a plan "b" in case congress does not find compromise. >> he says it's dead on arrival if proposed. make sure it current have to be proposed. make sure the group up there, the gang of eight makes progress on the effort as much as they say they want to. that is what we intend to do. work with them. >> republicans incyst the president is not reaching out. >> many people who think democrats bring up the ideas as wedge issues. they don't really want to pass them because they would no
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longer have republicans to blame. >> democrats note that on issues like sequester if the president doesn't have a plan, the republicans accuse him of not showing presidential leadership. on immigration if he has a plan they accuse him of interfering. >> more on w the panel. ed, thanks. gasoline prices surged by almost a half dollar in the last month. but december fite price jump, there has been it will to no movement on a way to get more oil in the u.s. chief national correspondent jim angle looks at the reaso reasons. >> consumers are wincing at the gas pump. prices now increase 32 days in a row leaping 43 cents a gallon since january and 15 cents in the past week. prices rise this time of year but this year they rise faster and earlier. >> starting early for a couple of reasons. number one, we have the unrest in the middle east. whether it's egypt or iran. number two, we are still feeling some of the aftereffects of hurricane
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sandy. the east coast hasn't caught up with inventories and that has been a problem. >> prices are usually lower in january but in refineries shut down for maintenance and to retool to make government required summer blends of fuel with different areas of the country requiring a dozen different blends. >> and that puts pressure on prices. switchover itself you usually see increase of somewhere between 20 cents to as much as $1.10 per gallon. >> california has one of the strin jent blend with the highest gas taxes in the country so its fuel is often expensive. the national average is $3.73 a gallon for regular in california it's already $4.99. the price of oil itself affects the price at the pump. that price has been rising in part because of concerns about iran that overlooks the strait of hormuz which oil tankers flow. possible interruption of supply is why many analysts say north america and president obama should be
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doing everything we can to become energy independent including building the keystone xl pipeline from candidate. >> that is the harbinger whether we need all of the above strategy or if it's campaign rhetoric. activists are determined to block the pipeline and held demonstration to demand they prevent the construction. canada on the other hand argues the u.s. should want oil from a reliable ally. >> people protesting to get more attention in the media than 65% of miles pe americans t prefer to get their oil from canada rather than venezuela or the middle east. >> the administration has said it would likely make a decision by the end of march. either way, it will unleash torrent of criticism. >> bret: jim, thanks. we'll talk about that with the panel as well. do you think the keystone xl pipeline will ever become a reality? let me know on twitter.
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follow me @brettbaier. those who support chuck hagel as defense secretary indicate they will likely allow a vote after they return from recess next week. south carolina's grahamm from says he will take hagel at his word he does not recall making a comment that the state department is adjunct of the israeli foreign minister's office. hagel wrote to graham "i completely disavow the content of the aed statement attributed to me." there is no video or audio so far of that supposed remark. at rutgers university of 2007. also journalist bob woodward says while some senate democrats have asked the white house if hagel would withdraw, the answer has been no. the man who succeeded hagel in the senate will not seek re-election next year. republican mike johan of nebraska says he wants to focus on his family. mccain tells nbc most of his senate colleague colleagues wile to support a bipartisan gun
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control package that could include unver a background checks. "usa today" writes gun shoppe owners are reporting ammunition shortals in part because of reports that the government is making huge purchases for training purposes, and also over fears of new regulations in the newtown, connecticut, school shooting. the hartford current says police found thousands of dollars worth of graphically violent video games at the home of the young man blamed for the murders in newtown. abraham lincoln is making a difference, even today. we will tell you how later in the grapevine. up next, joe trippi and karl rove on the probability and dangers of the sequester. i have a cold, and i took nyquil, but i'm still stubbed up. [ male announcer ] truth is, nyquil doesn't unstuff your nose. what? [ male announcer ] alka-seltzer plus liquid gels speeds relief to your worst cold symptoms plus has a decongestant for your stuffy nose. thanks. that's the cold truth!
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mommy's having a french fry. yes she is, yes she is. [ bop ] [ male announcer ] could've had a v8. 100% vegetable juice, with three of your daily vegetable servings in every little bottle. >> bret: we are less than two weeks away from the implementation of what call some call drastic reduction in spending growth known as
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sequestration. talk about how likely this is and what do we mean with the political strategist tip joe trippi and karl rove. first, talk about what the democrats are talking about. the senate democrats are talking about replacing the sequester. we don't have a white house plan per se but senate democrats have something. >> sequester is $85 billion in cuts. the senate plan, the balance plan they call it would end up with $110 billion in revenue and cuts to replace it. most would be the buffett rule. $53 billion would come from taxing higher income folks to make sure they don't go underneath -- pay less than the middle class families do. then you have $2 billion more in revenue that is really eliminating the loopholes and other things. the $55 billion in spending cuts, $27.5 billion comes from
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the military. comecomes from defense cuts. $27.5 billion comes from farm subsidy. there is $55 billion in cuts to replace from the senate plan. >> there is some question whether it could pass the senate. the republicans wonder if this is a gamut without the vote to pass. >> bret: it has no chance in the house. >> it willle in the senate. this is why they didn't bring it up for a vet. there are democrats that are acceptty call of the buffet rule -- skeptical. they already interested lack
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of interest in buffett rule. >> bret: republicans, what are they saying? they have sequestration bill with $300 billion in targeted cuts. it would help us avoid the $85 billion sequestration but would allow to us avoid cuts in the future. most of them are drawn by any waste and duplication. they take job training program and put it together to reduce the cost. they have rule making to expand food stamps. you can get food stamps if you get $1 in utility assistance. >> it doesn't have increase taxes. >> there is a balanced approach to say $2.50 in spending cuts for every dollar in revenue. in january he got $600 billion in re-knew translating to
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$1.5 trillion in cuts to match balanced proposal. what is interesting is the democrats say what we mean by balance is not $2.50 of cuts. dollar and new spending for every in cut. >> the senate plan is a dollar in cuts. it matches that. >> it is important that people know when you hear this is massive across-the-board cut this is cutting gross. the pentagon budget would grow by $10.5 in the next decade to 19.4% by the budget this year. you get to a baseline budgeting that we talk about. people don't us it. you are cutting the rate of growth, not cutting, cutting. >> this is what the cbo says it will look like.
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spending even with the sequestration which is $1.2 trillion in spending restraint in the next decade the spend willing go to 5.9 billion. so we will grow the revenues by $2.1 trillion but we will grow spending by $2.4 trillion. wen the sequest tration cut and the budget deal that cuts $1.2 trillion in the next decade. it is 2.4% of the overall federal budget. two-third of the budget is mandatory on auto pilot. we cut one-third that is discretionary spending. >> this is going to happen. >> this doesn't seem like a way to be prevented before march 1. how does this fall out? it kicks in and some are furloughed.
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you see pain and stories. how does this play? >> this is going to happen. the signs are that we will have sequestration. i don't see the votes there on either side to put it together. there will be a blame game here. both sides set up on that as well. even though the cuts are small they have a job impact. they will be districts out there that are hurt by this. somebody will pay the price. they will blame the member and the defense district. this will have ramifications for two years from now. >> bret: be clear. it was the white house idea to come up with this trigger. the sequestration, so bad that the super committee had to act
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to come up with something they could agree on and finally congress did vote. the republicans and the democrats both voted on the plan with the sequestration. multiple blame to go around. >> right. >> the republicans have vulnerability on this. unless they take action and give the president flexibility to move around. this is true with the defense budget. there are accounts in the defense budget with a spend-out. some have a short time frame. the problem for democrats and republicans for the president is the democrats deny that we have a spending problem. the fox poll had 83% of the american people in the survey saying we have a spending problem. the administration and the democrats in congress, nancy
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pelosi and harry reid and the president himself have all said in the last few days we don't have a spending problem. this will hurt in places. at the end of the day it's unclear how much people will blame the president or the republicans for what. they think we have a spending problem. >> great thing about everybody wants, thinks ve a revenue problem. spending problem. this is great until it's their thing that got cut. my job or my social security or medicare or whatever the cut is. everybody thinking we have a spending problem until it happens. the cuts come and price to play and then we blame somebody. there is blame on both sides but that is the politics. >> bret: does it happen? >> i think there will be -- we
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have sequestration. >> does it happen? >> absolutely. we needed presidential leadership for 18 months to avoid this. the president is nowhere, never presented a plan. last week they asked in congress testimony what is the number attached to the president's plan and he said we have never seen a president plan. avoid it. >> thank you. coming up, sig, assigning blamer war crimes in syria. [ male announcer ] marie callender's finally found a way
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>> bret: topping international headlines south african olympic sprinter oscar pistorius will be back in court tomorrow for a bail hearing. the double amputee is charged
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with premeditated murder in the shooting death of his girlfriend on valentine's day. she was a model and star of a reality tv show. her funeral will also be held tuesday. venezuelan president hugo chavez is back in his home country. chavez returned early today from cuba where he has been undergoing medical treatment following cancer surgery. supporters stapleed an up-beat street celebration to welcome him back to venezuela today. activists say syrian rebels captured a government check point on main row to aleppo's airport. meanwhile, the push is intensifying to hold someone responsible for atrocities in the 2-year-old civil war there. correspondent leland vittert has that story from jerusalem tonight. a warning the story may contain images you will find disturbing. >> almost two years worth of amateur video showing the raw horror of the syrian tactic and civil war,-up
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investigators have enough evidence to identify and charge government lead terse war crimes for everything from indiscriminately shelling and bombing civilians to torturing and executing prisoners. however, as the civilians continue to pull the injured dead children from rubble of bombed-out building, those fighting in the name of the syrian population are as guilty. rebels are accused of using child soldiers, hostage taking and murder. all increasing problems as al-qaeda inspired militias are leading the charge. as shown in this video, fighters wearing the black islamic flag as head dresses take over as the syrian air force base. >> god is great says the leader. we are coming to you. it is unclear if the captured russian made jets are in prime condition. but now the mow men tem shifted back to rebels.
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israel trying to have a reinforced fence along the border to prevent attack against the jewish state. over the weekend they rescued those who sought medical care walking up to the pence and begging for help. iran said evidence that israel is aiding rebels. thigh worry the good deed will not go unpunished and soon they will be flooded with not only wounded syrians but refugees as well. bret? >> bret: leland vittert in the middle east newsroom. thank you. fox news confirmed the u.s. is selling $200 million of predator drones to the united arab emirates. official with knowledge of the deal says it's part of $is.5 billion military contract. the drones will not be armed. they note the growing threat from iran in the region is
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forcing gulf nations to step up these and other types of purchases. hollywood ending to difficult period in nation's history. what happens to that spare change left at the airport security station? well, we will tell you next in grapevine. chances are, you're not made of money, so don't overpay for motorcycle insurance. geico, see how much you could save. [ male announcer ] the rhythm of life. [ whistle blowing ] where do you hear that beat? campbell's healthy request soup lets you hear it... in your heart. [ basketball bouncing ] heart healthy. great taste. mmm... [ male announcer ] sounds good.
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government, too. transportation security administration found more than a half million dollars in spare change left in check points last year. that is up 45 grand from the year before. the agency says it makes every effort to reunite passengers with items left at the security check points. of 2005, the tsa legally keeps the change. using it on general expenditures. still, some would prefer it go to the uso or passengers rights non-profit. >> baltimore spent $585,000 on a consultant to tell the city how to save money. the "baltimore sun" reports they make three-year projections but had no way to deal with the projected $750 million ten-year budget shortfall. the officials say the projection and the proposals would not be handled in-house because they lack staff and
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poor experience. the city budget director thinks it was money well spent. finally, president lincoln is known for the pivotal role in eliminating slavery. now it seems the oscar-nominated movie about lincoln has led to the correction of historic oversight. the jackson mississippi new york reports after watching the film is citizen from india was curious on what happened when the states voted for ratification. and learned the 13th amendment abolishing slavery was ratified with the required vote. but mississippi was among those to reject the measure. in months and years that followed many more states approved the amendment ceremoniously. even though that rejected it at first, eventually voted for it. except mississippi. which never officially ratified it. the state did pass a measure to ratify the amendment in 1995, but due to an oversight, the paperwork was not sent to
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the federal register. century-and-a-half later it's now official. thanks to that professor from india. who watched lincoln, the movie. mississippi has officially ratified the 13th amendment. our next story is about another issue that has divided this country. abortion. shannon bream tell us us tonight about a woman, her baby and her doctor. >> they are investigating the death of jennifer morbelli after witnesses say she traveled from new york state to clinic for late term abortion and died. her obituary says she was a married teacher and she passed away suddenly on february 7, along with her daughter who was named madison lee. the pro-life group maryland coalition for life has its office across the street from the clinic and says it has paperwork from the clinic
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given to women who had been treating there, telling them to contact the clinic if they experience complications at if-hour hotline and only go to emergency room if they are unable to reach anyone. >> this is not just good care. you don't go through a large operational procedure like this and then have no followup, no one there to help you in case problems arise. which is the case for this poor woman. >> morbelli would up at shady grove hospital in maryland where she later died. in an undercover video provided by pro-life activist lila rose, she can be seen speaking to someone who appeared to be perspective patient at the nebraska clinic 2012, telling her a late-term abortion which is legal in maryland, in the case of a fetal abnormality is safer than giving birth. >> even though the risk at 30
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weeks doing an abortion, 36 weeks doing an abortion are still about less than 10% of what they are childbirth. >> this man should not be allowed to continue the business where he is making millions off of killing children that can survive outside the womb and sometimes killing women. >> mother-in-law told newspaper she is upset about the discussion surrounding the death of jennifer and madison lee. "they know she was a wanted baby. they know she was named. we lost a wonderful person and we lost our granddaughter." carhart did not respond to our request for comment. he has also been under investigation by the maryland board of physicians and maryland attorney general for separate issues not related to this death. bret? >> bret: we'll follow it. shannon, thank you. several top republicans are worrying aloud that the president is trying to torpedo a bipartisan immigration plan. we talk about that with the fox all-stars when we come back. lobsterfest is the king of all promotions. there's nothing like our grilled lobster and lobster tacos.
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we have not proposed anything to capitol hill yet. we have a bill and doing what the president said we would do last month in las vegas, we're preparing. we are going to be ready. we developed each of the proposals so we have them in a position to succeed. >> how could the white house be working on a draft even if it's white house draft without at least talking to republicans about it? has the president meet with marco rubio? >> we are talking with all the parties to gang of eight effort in the senate. >> he says there has been no consultation. >> we have been working with all the members up there. he said it's dead on arrival if it's proposed. make sure it doesn't have to be proposed. >> well, a draft of the white house immigration plan leaked to "usa today" raised eyebrows in washington. it includes quicker plan for path to citizen zip.
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eight years for the people living in the u.s. illegally. senator rubio in the center of this and the republican put out a statement the leaked immigration is disappointing. if proposed it would be dead on arrival in congress. leaving us with broken legal immigration system for years to come. other senators on fox news sunday expressed -- >> they say my way or the highway. >> this is no way to get it done. the president doesn't want immigration reform. >> what about this? >> bret: bring in the panel. steve hayes, juan williams,
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and syndicated columnist charles krauthammer. steve, a lot of talk about it. what do you think the meaning of the leak? white house says it's not behind it but mostly leaks happen for a reason. >> fascinating to see the leak and quickness where the rubio people responded with the statement. they wanted to make clear this would haven't legs with republicans, in the senate. the rubio people had a quick statement right away. i think the question is that, rand paul raises is a serious one. does the president want immigration reform? if he does this is an odd way to show it. the white house suggested they didn't have anything to do with the leak. the more that the president is involved at this point, the less likely it is that there will be a big immigration deal. there were discussions between republicans and democrat in
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the senate. they came out with a framework. this is vague. they came out with what was a framework that had some buy-in from conservatives and skepticism from other conservatives. the more he tries to pull the package to the left, the less likely is it there will be any comprehensive immigration reform soon. >> bret: juan, there were positive signals coming from the gang of eight. saying they were make progress gress. then the story came out and one side got upset about it, that the story was out. david axelrod was out on msnbc and here is what he said to say about it. >> i think the president's plan is up to support what they come up with but he said there needs to be a comprehensive plan. working on a backup plan. the mistake is disseminate it widely within the administration it got leaked. i'm sure if they could they would take it back. >> bret: i can't get used to him without the mustache. but besides that, they would
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take it back. what about it? >> apparently last wednesday when the president met with four of the members at the white house, that is when it was sent out for agencies to have a look. that is the leak. you can buy it or not but it make sense. the second part that surprises me is the reaction from senator rubio. this is not a radical left wing document. eight years for pathway to citizenship. they have to have that in the bill if it will be passed. i don't think the democrats will buy in to something without a pathway to citize citizenship. it requires back taxes, no criminals, none and the eight-year wait as i said for a green card. to my mind it didn't seem like a radical document. the big misstep here is president obama remanes a highly polarizing figure. it invites the kind of thought
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that steve expressed does he want a plan or just beat up on the republics if they don't have a plan by the spring, deadline? >> you have a different take. >> this is something of a distraction, because the thing i think a lot of people don't realize is that the president's bill and the bill from the senate, the rubio bill have instant legalization. under the senate, rubio bill, illegal aliens on day one on the day the bill is signed get provisional statist us the. they are legal and can stay in country for the rest of their lives and work legally. out of the shadows and even go abroad and come back. that happens on day one. so what is the incentive of any enforcement? very little. the only difference between the president's proposal and the rubio senate one, or the rubio senate you then have to show enforcement after that if
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you want a green card or citizenship. with obama it's a joke. you get provisional status legalization on day one. no matter what happens at the border you can proceed eight years to green card and citizenship. you are on a path to become citizen inexorably. but in rubio bill people don't understand you get amnesty on day one. that is a disincentive to real enforcement. it's a problem that the republicans haven't really faced. >> bret: so where do you think the solution is here? if there is this momentum, that is real on capitol hill and republican sense they need to do this electorally they need to do it. for the issue of 11 million illegal immigrants in the country they need to do it. where do you think the solution lies? if it doesn't lie with this. >> it won't lie with the
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president's bill, because it's unnecessary. there were enough republicans who are panicked over election rums of last year -- results of last year they will kay and go for instant legalization bill. which is the rubio senate bill. it is a bad idea. you should do enforcement first guarantee legalization, green card, citizenship afterwards. otherwise, that is not going to happen. there is nobody who supports that right now. otherwise there is a replay of 1986 where villaraigosa legalized 3 million illegal immigrants and no enforcement. >> quickly, enforcement -- if we now have a record number of agents on the border we have electronic surveillance, we have a wall. i think we have -- if you look at the migration estimate more people are leaving right now than are coming in. >> we don't have a wall. >> we have some -- not a pleat wall. i have seen the wall with my eyes, so i know we have a wall.
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>> bret: partially. >> a fraction of a fraction. typical -- excuse me -- liberal argument about input. who cares how much is spent? who cares how many agents are on the boarder? what matters is the output. the result. >> look at the migration numbers. >> well, that -- >> bret: -- [ overtalk ] >> that is it. it's not a wave of immigrants crossing our border anymore. that is just not happening. >> when the united states emerges out of the recession, you are going to have a repeat exactly as happened after 1986. we are a magnet. unless you measure how much illegal immigration is reduced you have done nothing. >> we have a magnet in terms of people who come here an overstay their visas, they come by airplanes. >> you have to stop them every which way. >> so let's do that. not make imaginary problem in order to force legitimate effort at passing immigration. >> bret: juan, you talk to -- >> it's not imaginary -- >> if you talk to people along
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the border state, it's not imaginary problem. >> steve, the politics you can't ignore what happens on the house. i talk to house republicans who say if this is pulled further left, you will see a mass exodus of house republicans primary in the west and southwest. >> bret: next up, gas prices go up, but still no provement on keystone xl pipeline. i've been taking a multivitamin for years. centrum silver. both of us actually. our pharmacist recommended it. and that makes me feel pretty good about it. and then i heard about a study looking at multivitamins and the long term health benefits. and what do you know? they used centrum silver in the study. makes me feel even better, that's what i take. sorry, we take. [ male announcer ] centrum. the most recommended. most preferred. most studied. centrum, always your most complete.
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20 people protesting do get more attention in the media than the 65% of americans that prefer to get their oil from canada, rather than venezuela or the middle east. so am i concerned about the fact the media will go with
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the picture as opposed to sometimes logic? this is just part of how issues are covered. but when you look at it, public opinion supports it. unions want the jobs, need the jobs. vote in the house, about 18 months ago was very much in favor of this. vote in the senate last year was 56-42. >> canadian ambassador talking about the keystone xl pipeline which still is in limbo saying the u.s. should want oil from reliable ally. there is the chart about the gas prices going up. actually prices have now increased 32 days in a row jumping 43 sergeants a gallon since mid-january. fifteen cents a gallon in the past week. continuing to rise. we're back with the panel. charles, what about this? obviously there are different causes for gas prices to go up. seasonally mixes different
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fuel additives, that sort of thing. but also in the context of the keystone xl pipeline debate, it's an interesting timing. >> look, you know, the president is in his second term. normally, you then can put aside political or partisan considerations. you are not going to be re-elected. you would act in the national interest. the keystone issue is the most open and shut case i have ever seen. not only will it reduce depep dense on hugo chavez in the -- te pen dense from hugo chavez in the middle east and not only would it be an insult to slam door on canada, our closest ally. but refusing the pipeline and not building it would have zero effect on the environment. canadians stumbled on the largest reserve of shale oil around. they're the saudi arabia of shale. they are not going to keep it in the ground if we don't input it. it will go to china. say said so. it has zero effect on the
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climate, global warming whatever you want. the fact that obama is still mulling over there -- i understand last year he wanted to hold the left wing base. he wanted re-election. but now? after he has won re-election? it shows how -- if he refuses it, which i think is possible, it will show how partisan considerations way outweigh the national interest. it would be shocking. >> bret: secretary kerry, now secretary of state, said an announcement will come in the near term saying it won't be long. near term is what he said, juan. how do you think it will go? >> i think they are leaning toward approving it. i think it's a real disappointment for that is the case for so many people, young people who pour in to town over the weekend to proto protest this. they are concerned about the climate change and the gases that are emitted. charles says it's a fact anyway even if he doesn't approve it, but when you say it's a dirty process that we are talking about extracting it from the sands, and then, of course, there those be
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approval of the route through the u.s. and question how would it affect the aquaphor in nebraska? that is why the governor had to look at another route. yous up why people are concerned about this and see if this as part of who what should be president obama's effort and his legacy to limit greenhouse gases that are causing global warming. i think right now it's just what you heard te the ambassador from canada say. not just public with it, big unions are behind it for job, exxon, mobile, the big lobbyists for the town are behind this. you could have canada retaliate with buying f-16s and that. >> bret: you say it disappoints the environmentalists? >> it's likely. that is the way the wind is blowing. >> i'm not sure. i think you have to go back and look at the view of environmentalists with the respectbe to climate change? they don't want the price of oil to come down, they want it to stay high. we heard it from steven chu
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before as secretary of energy. heard it from environmentalists and this weekend. that is a goal. they believe if the oil prices stay high, lead to the less consumption of fossil fuels andp by itself have an effect on climate change. i think they are wrong and crazy for reason that charles suggest. you would transport this in a pipeline. not sending the tanker here and back empty to middle east. you can make a short-term argument. the bottom line and what people miss in the debate fundamentally that the left does not want oil prices to be lower, period. >> bret: but they also don't want fracking where natural gas is very low. price of natural gas is low. so oil prices high. do the environmentalists want do you think? >> windmills and sun.
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algae. that is how they want to live. coal is already dead. that will be fracking. if you don't build a pipeline, they imagine that the oil won't be exploited in canada. they are ridiculous that it will be exploited and end up in china instead. >> bret: that is it for panel. stay tuned for a unified team effort to really get the job done. 95% of people who tried it agreed that it relieved their headache fast. visit today for a special trial offer. is moving backward. [ engine turns over, tires squeal ] and you'll find advanced safety technology like an available heads-up display on the 2013 lexus gs. there's no going back.
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