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or go to our website. i'll see you at 3:00! announcer: captioned telephone - enjoy the phone again! a major push by casey anthony's defense team to block crucial testimony from the bounty hunter who once bailed her out of jail. what did casey say to leonard padilla? he talks shedding light on his conversation with an accused child killer. a babysitter accused of jumping in the sack with a 14-year-old boy at least four times. she is twice his age. police say she even asked for mom's blessing on this sick relationship. so they could be a couple. give me a break. >> controversy, opinions, your point of view, this is "prime news." >> welcome once again, i'm mike
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galanos. this is "prime news." two big developments on michael jackson's death. we'll have to wait longer. just into us and also this, unreleased song from michael jackson's stash, reportedly he made tons of extra tracks, overrecorded when he made his albums. we are going to let you listen to one of his songs that could go back several years that was not released. a couple of fronts, take your calls 1-877-tell-hln. joining us, anita kay, defense prosecutor and with us on the phone dr. daniel spitz. doctor, why do you think it's taking so long? we were possibly going to get it today and now it's another couple of weeks. >> i think it's taking a long
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time because they are not ready to release the information. they are not going to release it until the totality of the investigation is complete. obviously, that involves the medical examiner's work, but also the police investigation. >> it's not unusual to get a two-week delay like this? he died june 25th. >> many times the medical examiner's determination is not based on a police investigation. in this case it is. if there is indication these drugs may have been administered by another party via injection, this very much could be a homicide investigation, so they want to have everything in a row before they release this so if, in fact, somebody is going to be charged, it will probably happen in pretty close proximity to one another. >> do you think they know whether or not diprivan was in
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his system? >> there are only probably a few select people that know the results now. once the police are continuing to do their investigation, all of this is going to be released very close to each other. >> let's bring anita kay, former prosecutor, defense attorney now. help us with the inner workings going on. communication between the medical examiner, prosecutors. do prosecutors, d.a. do they know? lapd do they know what is known so far of the toxicology? are they in constant communication or waiting like everybody else? >> they are probably in constant communication because this is such a high-profile case, and it's why maybe the results aren't being released. perhaps the police want to do further investigation. they want everything to come out together. so if there are arrests to be made or further investigations, they all work in conjunction together. >> okay. let's go to the phones. a lot of calls. a lot of people waiting to dive in here.
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robin in north carolina. your thoughts? >> caller: how are you? >> good. how are you? >> caller: i'm great. i have a comment. i have noticed on the media that lots of the media blame mostly doctors for prescribing the medication. of course, this story with michael is a whole different scenario, but we are responsible, each of us to take our medicine and to take it the correct way. i think there is too much blame laid on the doctors. they're trying to help people with depression and nonmalignant pain. i find that the media especially wants to go to the doctors immediately. >> let me get anita kay on this. it depends on what the doctor knows. if they know michael jackson is addicted to pain medication, yet continue to feed him the stuff, then you've got trouble, right? >> exactly. we talked about this before we are also looking at the medications that are being
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prescribed. and diprivan is not something that should ever be prescribed. it is being used for anesthesia in an operating room, there is no reason a doctor would prescribe that. you need to look at the doctors prescribing. if a dermatologist is prescribing heavy-duty painkillers, whether it be oxycontin or vicodin or a routine basis, why would a dermatologist be prescribing that? >> if a doctor knows, he shouldn't be doing it. i want to hit on the other topic. michael jackson, his music since his death. over 9 million albums sold. we talked a lot. there could be unreleased songs. here is one of them. tmz posted it on his website, a song called "a place with no name." ♪ she said don't worry my friend ♪ take my hand
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♪ take us there ♪ lead me to a place without no name ♪ >> it sounds like "horse with no name." we understand michael jackson asked the group called america for permission. how far back could these go? >> they are saying they could go back to the '70s, to the motown days. these are tracks that could be good, they just didn't make to it his albums. some could need work. there's been enormous interest in his old songs. they are topping the itunes charts. stores are selling out. he apparently sold something like 9 million tracks. i know we had a lot of interest in it. the impact stories about michael jackson, you guys had a lot of interest in michael jackson coverage here. this will go on for a long time. we know there are lots of tracks and maybe there needs to be work
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done with them. maybe some of them are ready to go. there's a lot of things going on in terms of contracts. was he still under contract with sony? there are some reports he had the sony contract till 2011. the executeors of his will are old hands at the music business. i think if these are released, they will work out some good deal that will benefit his estate, benefit his family. >> fascinating to think multiple albums could come out and they will sell like hot cakes. they already are and for a long time. wish we had more time. kim, dr. daniel spitz and anita kay, we appreciate it. we touched on the speculation of michael jackson being addicted to painkillers, reaching out to doctors and dentists for prescription drugs. it is called dentist shopping. scoring that next fix out of the yellow pages. here is thelma gutierrez
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>> reporter: kenny morrison used to be a sous chef at a top los angeles restaurant. >> married, house on the beach, very corporate job. >> reporter: within a couple of years he lost it all because of a habit. you started with codeine, graduated to vicodin. how many pills were you taking at the height? >> at the height? i was taking probably 20, 25 a day. >> reporter: kenny didn't buy his drugs on the street corner or get them from a dope dealer. he got them from a dentist, a medical professional he had never even met before. according to the dea, 7 million american are abusing prescription drugs. that's more than the number of using cocaine, heroin and inhalents combined. >> if you have a legitimate medication prescribed by a doctor or dentist, how can you be a drug addict? >> reporter: dentist shopping is
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an open secret. you call them, tell them you have pain in your mouth? they can't see that you day? >> right. >> reporter: what do they do? >> they'll prescribe and call in a prescription for you. >> reporter: one dentist didn't give you the prescription. >> i was going in the phone book going down the list. boom, boom, boom, one after another. >> i get calls on a fairly regular basis. >> reporter: dr. j grossman who sits on the disciplinary committee for the california dental association says he row tunely turns them away, but acknowledges some don't. >> the moment somebody hangs up the phone on me i know they are literally going down the book calling the next one in the yellow pages hoping that someone will write them a prescription. >> reporter: what reason would you have to do that? >> they don't want to come in on emergency base is that we could take care of the patient and hope they will become a patient of record in the near future. >> reporter: kenny has been clean more than a year now. he was hired at a head chef at
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the rehab center he says saved his life. thelma gutierrez, cnn, california. how about this? recession is the best time to start a business? how the down times could be a personal boone.
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the recession is dragging to an end and many financial experts believe it's the perfect time to start a small business. in this week's "money and main street" we meet a decorated out-of-work military vet looking for a financially sound way to follow her dream and become her own boss.
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here is susan candiotti from our sister station cnn. >> reporter: after the last lay-off in february, laurie started rethinking her options. >> i started thinking i'm tired of going through this. >> reporter: though her aging husky is too old to need grooming, cody inspired her to set her sights on opening a dog grooming business in the upscale atlanta suburb of peach tree city. money was tight so she swallowed her pride and opened a fruit stand. >> it's not doing anything like i hoped it would do, but it's more money than i had last week. >> reporter: fruit is only bringing in a few hundred dollars a week. compared to that, dog grooming looks like a gold mine. >> people spent $42 billion last year on their pets alone.
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it's there. how do i get in? i want in, you know? >> reporter: laurie attended a number of sba seminars and googled business plans of other start-ups and drafted her own. small business experts offered to take a look. >> she has a specific idea in her head about what this is going to look like and what the consumer will walk away with. >> reporter: john and dani helped reduce start-up costs from $140,000 to just $35,000. how to save money on labor and equipment. they suggested she look for free advice online instead of hiring an attorney and cpa. they are helping her negotiate a better lease in the down-and-out commercial real estate market. >> in your plan, you have also things like pet sitting, dog taxi, retail, bakery, all those way of adding more revenues on to the basic wash your dog. >> reporter: for the time being,
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dog washing is all laurie offers, but she hopes to be providing the pampered pooches in her area a full range of services by next month. susan candiotti, cnn. you get more money and main street 8:00 p.m. eastern time thursday morning on american morning on cnn. coming up, casey anthony, her defense trying to block testimony from the bounty hunter who bailed her out of jail. we want to know what did casey anthony say to leonard padilla? how incriminating? our exclusive interview coming up. stick around for that. and "prime weekend," not the only place to watch the best of prime news. watch it on your computer, as well. it's a great time to check out the week's best interviews and stories and exclusive bonus content you won't find on team. it's there for the taking.
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new today in the casey anthony case. the mother accused of killing her little 2-year-old little girl, little caylee, her defense team scrambling to block revealing testimony. reports of incriminating statements casey made to the bounty hunter who once bailed her out of jail. caylee found dead in the woods, blocks from her grandparents' home. did casey anthony reveal anything to indicate she was responsible? what did she tell leonard padilla? we're going to ask him ourselves. bounty hunter leonard padilla joining us in an exclusive interview via skype. also with us florida state prosecutor pam bondi. and natisha lance, producer from the nancy grace show, right here on hln. all right, leonard, let's get back to you. did casey anthony tell you or any of your employees
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incriminating things concerning little caylee? >> let me see if i can go this far with reconstructing some of the situation there. first of all, we were not employed by jose baez. the agreement that we made with him was strictly to protect her constitutional rights, which we're not government officials, and jose baez being an attorney knows that the document we signed was more to save face than anything else. we were on our own hook the whole time we were there. we produced our own agenda. and we weren't beholding to anybody. and there was five people on the security team, plus myself and tracy. as far as the statement i think he's concerned about are the ones that are in direct conflict with statements she made to law enforcement and possibly even to her own attorney. those are the statements that he's very concerned about. just this morning, i sent my personal assistant sarah shelton to meet with him tomorrow morning to get this mess straightened out before it becomes an even bigger
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boondoggle. >> all right, leonard. can you -- what specifics can you tell us? i'll quote a report, saying that casey anthony blurted out "they haven't even found the clothes she was wearing." >> that's an accurate reference to a statement that she made to tracey one day. and in dissecting it, we thought, well, what does that mean? well, we found out afterwards that there was clothes in the bag where the body was found. i mean, the children's clothes was in there. there were other items in there. what was it meant to do at the time? i'm not so sure it wasn't meant to distract everybody, and to some of the clothings and different things found in different areas of orlando at the time of the searches. but there was certainly the baby clothes were found with the remains of the child. the main statement that she's concerned about is where she told law enforcement that she handed the baby over to zenaida gonzalez at the sawgrass apartments. the statement she made to myself in front of rob dick and her own mother was that she had had the baby taken away from her at the jay blanchard park, that she had
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been given a document with 30 instructions on it for the next 30 days on how to lie to law enforcement that zenaida had taken the baby from her, and samantha, zenaida's sister gotten in the car with her two children, which was a silver ford focus. which was all bunk. this was all made up after she saw zenaida at the sawgrass. >> all right. more with leonard padilla coming up. more on that as we update casey anthony for you. also my newsletter. you'll get a jump on what has me fired up.
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call 1-800-552-7724 or go to our website. i'll see you at 3:00! announcer: captioned telephone - enjoy the phone again! breaking news in the murder of a 5-year-old girl. autopsy results just released paint a horrific picture. little nevaeh buchanan might have been buried alive. her little body was found in casement cement in michigan. no one has been arrested here. whoever is responsible, we want this sick person put to justice. nevaeh suffocated after inhaling dirt. we welcome back mike brooks and amber hunt, a reporter for the "detroit free press. in. "is that the brutal update? could she have been buried
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alive? >> as we reported, that is one of two possibilities. either she was buried alive or could have had her face pushed into the ground where she would have been forced to inhale dirt. it's hard to know one way or the other which way it happened. >> has the entire autopsy report come out? is that where you are getting this information? >> not the entire report. the entire report hasn't come out it is a lot of the information is available because it's public record at this point. we are still waiting on details and forensic testing through the michigan state police. there will be more developments. >> when you talk about developments, the development we want are some arrests made. are there any closer to that? what do we know? >> i know the monroe county sheriff department is being very careful in what they are releasing. they are trying to make sure they have a cautious approach.
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there were a couple of early people mentioned as possible persons of interest, but since then we haven't heard anything in terms of arrest. >> right. they are, correct me film's wrong, these were sex offenders who were too close to buchanan, george kennedy was one of them? >> yes. they hirectly in this case. they were not supposed to have contact with anybody or with children. both are back in prison for violating the conditions of their parole. >> mike, sad to say it's horrific to think about. >> it really is. >> when you talk about what kind of physical evidence you think has been obtained because, we talked about there was a beer can nearby. this was near water. could some of that evidence have been washed away? >> it could have been. i was encouraged by the beer can because it was right there by the scene. could it have been someone
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involved in this? could they get any fingerprint evidence, dna, anything at all? apparently not so far, at least not to link them to kennedy and that other person who was involved in this. again, no suspects right now. they are not going to call it a cold case. the longer it goes, the more pessimistic i get. >> let me bring you back, amber. do you feel from your reporting on this, do you think an arrest is coming or is it too tough to say right now? >> it's tough to say. i know they are working very hard on it. we reported today one of the neighbors had police in his house. there have been carpet fibers snipped to compare to evidence perhaps pulled from nevaeh's body. they are working diligently. this is not a typical crime for a community like monroe. it's a small community. it doesn't have a lot of crime like this. hopefully we'll have an arrest soon. i know they are taking their time to make sure they do it
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right. >> when you talk about that, and you see a picture of her next to her bike. what we know she was riding her scooter near her home in her neighborhood and was taken away and killed in a brutal fashion. from what you are seeing here, do you think the physical evidence is there from that crime scene to possibly get an arrest here some time soon? >> like you said, they are holding their cards very close to the vest. i believe they probably have some kind of evidence, either from the scene, maybe from her body, her clothes, maybe some touch dna which is a great technology now. you can just it from your hand if you touch the clothing. they are not saying at all. i'm encouraged they are still out there looking for hairs, fibers, anything at all they can do to link, maybe link these two guys or someone else, another sex offender or anyone back to this case. >> let's go over that a little bit. you are saying carpet fibers wither taken from a neighbor's house? >> right.
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one of the last places nevaeh was known to have played. we were told today by that neighbor investigators had come in, snipped some of the fibers and for comparison sake. that evidence might be small, but could be crucial in these investigations. >> what about nevaeh's mom jennifer buchanan? what have been her actions as of late? >> last we reported, which was today, i understand some of her family members aren't sure where she is. she hasn't been seen for a few days. she has been careful after the body was discovered, we haven't heard from her too much as members of the media, which you can understand in either direction. we don't know where she is right now. >> amber, we appreciate it. hopefully as you said, we will find an arrest. mike hunt, thank you, as well. coming up, an unthinkable
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crime in an historic african-american cemetery in illinois. bodies allegedly dug up. the cemetery plots resold after that. can't imagine the horror, the nightmare some of these family members are living through.
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it seems like a story that only gets worse.
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we're talking about the historic african-american cemetery in illinois where graves were dug up and resold. some new information on that, follow-up for you. let's bring in our "prime news" correspondent richelle carey for that. it's our weekly feature "what matters." it's a sad story. go ahead. >> and this matters, mike. this really matters. burr oak cemetery in suburban chicago is a crime scene, a massive crime scene. four people are accused of digging up hundreds of graves, reselling the plots. now with someone finally in control of the cemetery and burr oak set to reopen on august 1st, thousands of families may finally get some answers. joining me now, clarice dortch. clarice has four relatives buried at burr oak. miss dortch, thank you for joining us. first of all, tell us, who are your relatives that are buried there? >> well, thank you for having me. my father. my father was buried there may 19th, 1938. and i have a sister-in-law that
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was buried there in '68. i have a first cousin that was buried there in 1970. and before that, my brother-in-law, who was a soldier, was buried there around 1952. >> miss dortch, none of us can really imagine what you've been going through since this news broke. can you tell us how you found out about this? we've been hearing about people, hearing about it on the news. how did you find out? >> i -- that's how i find out, i was in my dining room. i can't remember doing exactly what. i think i started toward the kitchen. and i heard them say something about burr oak. and my first -- frankly, my first impression was, oh, my goodness, that's horrible. what's going on out there? and then when i turned around and i did sit down to take a look at it, i started thinking about all my family members that were out there. and i said, they've just been desecrated. that's ridiculous. it feels horrible. and i said, you know, what steps are they -- what steps are they
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goings to take to satisfy to let us know that, you know, that they found things. and they really didn't. you know, they were just saying, okay, these bodies are out there. and they're buried and they found bones in the dirt. and, you know, and i felt bad. i really did. >> let me ask you this about getting some answers. apparently a judge has now appointed someone to take over day-to-day operations of the cemetery. do you have someone that you've been able to talk to to start to get answers from? >> no. i have received two e-mails. one yesterday. one on the 16th and one yesterday. and they're very minimal. they say be patient and give them time.
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>> you know, it almost seems like, miss dortch -- and we're almost out of time. it almost seems like officials are trying to prepare you and other people for the worst when they say that even dna testing may not get the answers that people want because unfortunately these bodies were so desecrated and so -- basically, the bones were spread all over. and i hate to say that about your family members. please forgive me. are you prepared for the worst -- >> that's the truth. >> it is the truth. it is. are you prepared for the worst if you're not able to get answers about what happened to your family? >> well, you know, i look at it this way. i know in my heart that my relatives are in my heart, they're with me. and those are just bones out there. but when i stop to think about it, it's just the lack of respect that we have received. and i feel bad because i'm just getting over losing my mother and my husband. and now to have to go through this all over again of relatives that have already been buried and we thought were resting in peace. there's no peace now.
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we just have no peace. i think none of us. i think, you know, they should really try to do something for us. >> well, miss dortch -- >> or help us. and if they don't -- you know, and if they don't, i guess -- you know, we're frankly going to have to live with it, but it's just something we have to go through. >> miss dortch, i'm sorry, i'm going to have to wrap you. thank you for sharing your story, and i do hope you get some answers. for more of "what matters" check out the august issue of "essence" magazine. >> a sad story. from sad to infuriating. a 28-year-old babysitter sleeping with a boy half her age. the woman asked the kid's mom blessing so they could be a couple. isn't that nice?
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a woman accused of hopping in bed with a boy she is hired to babysit. she is 28, he is 14. police say they had sex at least four times. there she is summer nelson behind bars. good. she told the boy's siblings she is in love with big brother. even asked for mom's blessing on the relationship. what? so the two could live as a couple. oh, brother. joining me to talk about this, cooper lawrence, psychologist and author of the book "the cult of celebrity." good to have coop back. and joining us by phone, jody lawrence-turner. let's start with you. what happened? when did this all begin here? >> apparently it started in the summer of 2007. summer and the mom of this boy
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were friends and summer, i guess, began, according to police, grooming the boy at that point. then in august 2007, she was able to gain enough trust to babysit. >> grooming the boy, huh? brother. okay. she starts victimizing the 14-year-old. did the 12-year-old, the 9-year-old, hopefully they weren't involved at all, were they? >> police say no. >> okay. how did the crime come to light? >> i guess it was a third party that reported it to police who then began investigating back in december of 2008. >> third party, not the mom. was mom suspicious at all? what role did she play in all this? >> if she was suspicious she didn't report anything. according to police, it would have been some scenario like either summer or the boy told someone else, then reported it to authorities. >> what charges is she facing? >> she faces four counts of lewd
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conduct with a minor, which could mean a sentence of up to life if convicted. >> let's bring in cooper lawrence on this. sounds like mary kay letourno all over again. asking for mom's blessing? what's going on in this woman's mind here? >> it's called hebaphelia. >> there is a name for it now? >> there is a name because unfortunately, there are pedophiles that have distinct sexual preference for different age groups. i will tell you treating them is nearly impossible. i rarely see anybody that doesn't have medication or some extreme castration. the only good thing here is she
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is 28 and we found out now. heaven forbid she starts at 28 and it goes on for many more years and people don't find out she has this disorder. somebody that is a hebaphile is sexually aroused by children between the ages of 11 and 14, a very specific age range because they are either on their way into puberty or prepubescent or starting to reach pup earth. it is a sickness, a disorder. there are links, psychopathology, as well. there is something going on here asking for the mother's blessing. there is a problem. >> jody lawrence-turner, was summer nelson ever married? did she have relationships with men her own age? >> i do not know that. >> all right. cooper, sometimes we see in this someone at 28, 29, stories we've
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done in the past, we'll find out they are married with a couple of kids, yet shacking up with some 13 or 14-year-old. what leads to this, cooper? you're talking about the past cd to this? >> well, a lot of hepo philes have been physically abused as a child. i'm not making an excuse. i'm trying to explain where the behavior come from. >> how about the little ones? the younger sister and brother who heard the story and heard. what damage could they be suffering here? >> well, i mean i think it would cause a lot of anxiety in children that young. now they're going to learn that you can't trust somebody. look at the picture of her. she doesn't look like the creepy pedophile that we see in the movies. so it's very disarming for a child. they don't know who to trust. their world feels shaky. they don't know. there is no foundation there anymore. so for the child, that was abused, i mean it's coules coun
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what can happen. it's all negative outcome. the younger children who know about it, it's not uncommon to see anxiety disorders. >> no. >> lawrence turner, you know, are there any other victims out there? people fearful she baby sat other kids and tried this stuff? >> the police say at this point they have conceded their investigation and not found any other victims. >> okay. all right. well, that is a ray of silver lining in all this. jodie lawrence-turner, thank you for your reporting. cooper, always good for talking to you. >> thanks, mike. >> from that to this. first we see john goss lyn on a yacht in the french rivera with his 22-year-old girlfriend. he has a kid back home. now there is a report he's engaged. and she's got a $180,000 engagement ring! nice move, john!
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