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a major push by casey anthony's defense team to block crucial testimony from the bounty hunter who had once bailed her out of jail. what did casey anthony say to leonard padilla? this hour, he talks to us in an exclusive interview, shedding light on his conversation with an accused child killer. what kind of babysitter is accused of jumping in the sack with a 14-year-old boy at least four times, twice his age, and she says she even asked for mom's blessing, so they could be a couple. gimme a break. >> controversy, opinion. your point of view. this is "prime news." welcome once again, i'm mike galanos. this is "prime news."
two big developments on michael jackson, that huge toxicology report on michael jackson's death, the one we've been waiting for. we're going to have to wait a little longer. just into us accident and also this, unreleased song from michael jackson's stash. reportedly, he made tons of extra tracks, overrecorded when he made his albums. we're going to let you listen to one of his songs that could go back several years that was not released. so a couple -- going to hit this on a couple fronts. take your calls, 1-877-tell-hln. joining us anita kay, former prosecutor, and kim sara finish, senior editor, "in touch weekly" and david spitz, forensic pathologist. david, why do you think this is taking so long? we were going to get it today, and now it's a couple another weeks. >> i think it's take a long time, not because the testing is taking a long time, but because they're not ready to release the
information. they're not going to release it until the totality of the investigation is complete. and obviously, that involves the medical examiner's work, but also the police investigation. >> okay. so it's not unusual to get a two-week delay like this? he died june 25th. how could this go so long? >> well, many times the medical examiner's determination is not really based on a police investigation. and in this case, it very much is, because if there is an indication that these drugs may have been administered by another party, via injection, then this very much could be a homicide investigation. so they want to have everything in a row before they release this, so if in fact someone is going to be charged, it's all probably going to happen, you know, in pretty close proximity to one another. >> yeah. so do you think they know right now whether or not diprivan was in his system. >> i'm sure they know the toxicology results, i'm sure they tested and retested various specimens, and there is probably
only a select few that know the results now, in order for it not to be released. but once the police are continuing to do their investigation, all of this is going to be released very close to the -- to each other. >> let's bring anita kay in, former prosecutor defense attorney now. help us with the workings of what's going on. communication between the prosecutors. lapd, do they know of the toxicology, are they in constant communication, or are they waiting like everybody else? >> they're probably in constant communication, because this is such a high-profile case and it's why maybe the results aren't being released, because perhaps the police want to do some further investigation. you know, they want everything to come out together. so if there are arrests to be made or further investigations, they all work in congestion conjunction together. >> let's go to the phones. a lot of calls and people waiting to dive in here. robin in north carolina. your thoughts?
>> caller: how are you? >> good, robin. how are you? >> caller: i'm great. i have a comment. i have noticed on the media that lots of the media blame mostly doctors for prescribing the medications. of course, this -- this story with michael is a whole different scenario. but we are responsible, each of us, to take our medicine and to take it the correct way. i think there is too much blame laid on the doctors. they're trying to help people with depression, and nonmalignant pain. and i find that the media, especially, wants to go to the doctor immediately. >> okay. let me get anita kay in on there this. and anita, it depends original what the doctor nose. if michael jackson is addicted to pain medication yet continue to feed him the stuff, then you've got trouble. >> exactly. we've talked about this before. we're also looking at the medications that are being prescribed. and diprivan, from what i
understand, is not something that should really ever be prescribed. if it's being used for anesthesia in an operating room, there is no reason a doctor would prescribe that. as well as you need to look at the doctors that are prescribing. you know, if a dermatologist is prescribing heavy-duty pain killers, whether it be oxycontin or vicodin on a routine basis, why would a dermatologist be prescribing that? diprivan is one thing, those prescriptions only way you should have that is in a hospital. but if a doctor nose, shouldn't be doing it. another topic, michael jackson his music since his death, over million albums sold. and we've talked a lot, could be a lot of unreleased songs. here is one. tmz posted on its website, a song called "a place with no name." let's give it a listen. ♪ she said, don't you worry, my friend i'll take care take my hand i'll take us there ♪
♪ oh ♪ take me to a place without no name ♪ >> it kind of sounds like a horse with no name and michael jackson asked the group america for permission years ago. kim sarafin, how far back could these songs go, kim? >> they're saying they could go back to the '70s, reportedly, back to his motown days. but they are saying there could be hundreds of songs. there is also, of course, the unreliu unreleased songs like recently with will. i am. and there has been enormouster in his old songs. topping the itunes charts, stores cannot keep them in their stores. they're selling out. he has apparently sold something like 9 million tracks. i know we have had a lot of interest in the in touch stories about michael jackson, you guys and had a lot of interest in michael jackson coverage here. this will go on for a long time. burr we know that there are lots of tracks and maybe work needs
to be done, maybe some are ready to go. there is a lot of things going on in terms of contracts, was he still under contract with sony, he had had this sony contract until 2011, but, of course, the executors of his will, the administrators of the will are old hands at the music business, so if these are released they'll work out some good deal that will benefit his estate and family. >> fascinate to go to think that multiple albums could come out. and they will sell like hot cakes. guys, wish we had more time. kim, doctor daniel spitz and anita kay, we appreciate it. besides the music, we touched on the speculation about michael jackson being addicted to pain killers and reaching out to doctors and even dentists for drugs. it's a shared secret among addicts, scoring the next fix straight out of the yellow pages. >> i need the hot water. start cleaning all of this up.
pasta should be done. >> reporter: cokenny moreson us to be a sue chef. within a couple years, he lost it all because of a habit. >> you started with codeine, and graduated to vicodin. how many pills were you taken at the height? >> at the height, i was taking probably 20, 25 a day. >> reporter: kenny didn't buy his drugs on a street corner or get them from a dope dealer. he got them from a dentist, a medical professional he had never even met before. according to the dea, 7 million americans are abusing prescription drugs. that's more than the number abusing cocaine, heroin and inhale ants combined. >> if you have a medication that you're taking that was prescribed by a legitimate doctor -- >> or dentist. >> or a dentist, how can you be a drug addict? it helps you to legitimize it. >> reporter: kenny says among addicts, dentist shopping is an
open secret. >> you you call them and tell them you have pain in your mouth. they can't see you that day. >> right. >> and what do they do? >> they'll call in a prescription for you. >> one dentist didn't give you the prescription. what would you do then? >> i would go in the phone book and go right down the list. boom, boom, boom, right after another. >> i get calls on a fairly regular basis. >> reporter: doctor jay grossman who sits on the disciplinary committee for the california dental association says he routinely turns them away. but acknowledges some dentists don't. >> the moment somebody hangs up the phone on me, i know that they're literally going down the book. they're calling the next one in the yellow pages, hoping that someone will write them a prescription. >> reporter: what reason would you have to do that? >> the only reason is they don't want to come in on an emergency basis that night to take care of the patient and they hope that patient will become a patient of record in the very near future. >> reporter: kenny has been clean for more than a year now. he was hired as a head chef at the rehab center that he says saved his life.
you know, unemployment is high, the recession is dragging to an end, and many financial experts believe it's the perfect time to start a small business. in this week's "money and main street," we meet a decorated out of work military vet looking to find a financially sound way to follow her dreams and become her own boss. here is susan candy t candiotti
cnn. >> reporter: in the eight years since she retired from the air force, lori lawrence has had three different jobs. she quit one and was laid off twice. after the last layoff in february, she started rethinking her options. >> i started thinking, i'm tired of going through this. what would i really enjoy? >> reporter: though her aging husky cody is too old to need much grooming anymore, cody inspired her to set her sides sights on a dog grooming business. but money was tight so she swallowed her pride and opened a fruit stand. >> it is not doing anything like what i had hoped it would do. but it's more money than i had last week. >> reporter: fruit is only bringing in a few hundred dollars a week. compared to that, dog grooming looks like a gold mine. >> people spent $42 billion last year on their pets alone. you know, it's there. how do i -- how do i get in?
i want in, you know? >> reporter: lori attended a number of sba seminars and googled business plans and other start-ups, then drafted her own. small business experts danny ban and dun rut electric offered to take a look. >> she has a specific idea in her head what this is going to look like and what the consumer is going to walk away. >> reporter: they helped her reduce her start-up costs from $147,000 to just $35,000. they showed her how to save money on labor and equipment. they suggested she look for free advice online, instead of hiring an attorney and cpa. and is they're helping her negotiate a better lease in the down and out commercial real estate market. >> in your plans, you also have things like pet sitting, dog taxi. retail bakery. all those things are ways of adding more revenues on just the basic wash your dog. >> reporter: for the time being, dog washing is all lori offers,
but she hopes to be providing the pampered pooches in her area a full range of services by the end of next month. susan candiotti, cnn. you can get more at 8:00 p.m. eastern timer thursday morning on your sister network, cnn. coming up, casey anthony's defense trying to block testimony from the bounty hunter who bailed her out of jail. when he we want to know what did casey say to leonard padilla. how incriminated? stick around for that. and how about this, an invite for you. prime weekend, not the only place to watch the best of prime news. you can find it on your computer, as well. if you haven't checked it out go, there. cnn.com/primenews. a great time to check out the week's best interviews, stories, exclusive bonus content you won't find on tv. there it is, there for the taking, cnn.com/primenews.
new today in the casey anthony case, the mother accused of killing her little 2-year-old girl, little caylee, her defense team skrak bell to go block revealing testimony. reports of incriminating statements casey made to the bounty hunter who once bailed her out of jail. little caylee found dead in the woods. will casey anthony reveal anything to indicate she was responsible? what did she tell leonard padilla? we ask him ourselves. bounty hunter larry padilla joining us via skype. and also pam bondy, a producer from the nancy grace show. leonard, back to you. did casey anthony tell you or any of your employees
incriminating things concerning little caylee? >> let me see if i can go this far with reconstructing some of the situation there. first of all, we were not employed by jose baez. the agreement that we made with him was strictly to protect her constitutional rights, which we're the not governing officials, and jose baez being an attorney knows the document we signed was more to save face, more than anything else. we were on hold the whole time there, we were produced our whole agenda, and weren't holding to anybody, and there were five people on the security team, plus myself and tracy. as far as the statement that i think he is concerned about are the ones that are in direct conflict with statements she made to law enforcement and possibly even to her own attorney. those are the statements that he's very concerned about. just this morning, i sent my personal assistant, sara shelton to meet with him tomorrow morning to get this mess straightened out before it becomes an even bigger
boondoggle. >> all right, leonard, what specifics can you tell us? i'll quote a report saying that casey anthony blurted out, they haven't even found the clothes she was wearing. >> that's an accurate reference to a statement she made to tracy one day. and in dissecting it, we thought, well, what does that mean? well, we found out afterward there was clothes in the bag where the body was found. i mean, the children's clothes were in there, and there were other items in there. so what was it meant to do at the time, i'm not so sure that it wasn't meant to distract everybody, to some of the clothes and different areas in orlando at the time of the searches. but the baby clothes were found with the remains of the child. the main statement that she is concerned about is where she told law enforcement that she handed the baby over to zenaida gonzalez at the saw grass apartments. the statement she made to myself and rob dick and her own mother was she had the baby taken away from her at the jay blanchard
park, and had been given a document that zenaida had taken the baby from her, and samantha's sister had gotten into a car with two two children which was a silver ford focus. this was all bunk. this was after she saw zenaida at the saw grass. >> more with leonard padilla coming up of. was it a violation of attorney-client privilege? more as we update casey anthony for you. and time for my newsletter. cnn.com/primenews, you'll get a jump on what has me fired up. i want to know what has you fired up. cnn.com/primenews.
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every day during that week. >> oh. so where do we get the information about where to find the farms or how do we sign up for this pledge? >> well, there's a website. it's www.by-local-challenge.com that website will give you all sorts of information why to buy local and where to buy local and it connects you to other statewide initiatives that are going on at the same time. if you go to the website, we've added a count. people used to say, where do i sign up? normally you have to go buy, eat something from a local farm. this year we decided to add a counter to the website. when you are' counted, you can receive a certificate with your name on it that you can put up in your office or your home or wherever. >> which is very, very important. it's reduces your carbon foot
print because you're driving hopefully a shorter distance, you have access to local products that are available, and also it helps the farmers. >> well, and in fact, our theme this year is healthy plate, healthy planet. all kinds of benefits to buying local, benefits for you, healthy, nutrition, it's fresh, and preserving our farms survive, we keep clean water, we keep clean air, we reduce the carbon footprints from things traveling 1500 miles, and it tastes good. >> exactly. now for those people who may not cook, how can they be a part of this? >> yeah, sometimes people say, well, i hate to cook. that's okay. you can go to a store or to a restaurant that features local farm products, and there are more and more restaurants every year, some of them are on our website, and you can click throughout to find out who they are,. >> what kind of items can we
acquire localfully. >> during the last week of july, there is so much product available. there's sweet corn, blackberries, all kinds of tomatoes and melons are in season, and of course, there's always wine, cheese, eggs, meatss. >> so we do have a wide variety of things we can get. say that i go and i go to a local farmer's market and purchase something, what is a vegetable that i'm not quite familiar with, how did i find a recipe. >> excellent question. there are recipes on our website. people can post their own recipes of their own events and own blogs by why they buy local. some of the things i wanted to mention is the economic benefits. we talked about the planet, we talked about the fact that it
tastes good, and it's fun, but there's also the benefit of supporting our farms, and if every household in the state mucofmaryland were to buy just 2 worth of products for 8 weeks, basically the summer season that, would put $200 million straight back into the pockets of our farmers. that would do a lot to keep our farmers thriving. >> which is so important. i know we have less than 30 seconds, but you have some partners that you wouldn't typically think of who have now joined in. >> yes. hospitals are joining in this year. fact, they're looking to do a competition to see how many people they can get involved. >> have you exciting. christine, thank you very much for coming in today. >> thank you. >> my guest today has been christine bergmark with the southern agricultural commission. if you're interested in what comcast is doing in your area, go to on demand and click get
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that's one two possibilities. either she was buried alive, or she could possibly have had her face pushed into the ground where she would have been forced to inhale dirt. it's hard to know one way or the on or about which way it happened. >> has the entire autopsy report come out, amber? is that where you're getting this information? >> reporter: not the entire report. the entire report hasn't come out. but it is a lot of the information is available, because it's public record at this point. so we are still waiting on some details. we're also waiting on some more forensic testing through the michigan state police, so there will be more developments. >> when you talk about developments, the development we want are some arrests made. are they any closer to that? what do we know, amber? >> reporter: i know that the monroe county sheriff's department is being very careful and in what they're releasing. they're trying to make sure that they're -- they're cautious in their approach. this is a very important investigation, so i know they're keeping their cards close to their vest. there were a couple of early
people mentioned as possible persons of interest, but since then, we haven't heard anything in terms of arrest. >> right and they are, correct me if i am wrong, amber, they are sex offenders to her, george kennedy is one of them. >> reporter: yes. and they have not been accused directly of anything in this case. they were not supposed to have contact with anybody -- any children, and both of them are back in prison for violating the conditions of their prison. >> let's bring in mike brooks, law enforcement analyst. mike, sad to say. but when you talk about what physical evidence has been obtained, because -- we talked about there was a beer can nearby, but yet this is near water. could some of that evidence have been washed away? >> you know, mike, it could have been. but i had a lot -- i was encouraged by the beer can, because it was right there by the scene, could it have possibly been someone involved in this, could they have gotten
my fingerprint evidence, dna and all? apparently not so far, and at least not to link them to kennedy and the other involved in this. but again no, suspects right now. and it's just -- they're not going to call it a cold case. but as it goes along, the longer it goes, the more pessimistic i get. >> yeah, let me bring you back, amber. do you feel, amber, from are your reporting on this, do you think an arrest is coming, or is it just too tough to say right now? >> reporter: it's tough to say. i know they're working very hard on it. we reported today that one of the neighbors has had police in his house, there have been carpet fibers snipped to compare to evidence perhaps both from nevaeh's body, so i know they're working very diligently. this is not a typical crime for a community like monroe, it's a small community, doesn't have a lot of crime like this. so hopefully we'll have an arrest soon, but i know they're taking their time to make sure they do it right.
>> and when you talk about that, and there we see her next to her bike where she was riding her scooter near her home in her neighborhood, and she was taken away and killed and killed in a brutal fashion. mike, from what you're seeing here, do you think that the physical evidence is there from that crime scene to possibly get an arrest here sometime soon? >> you know, just like she said, they're holding cards very close to the vest. i believe they probably do have some kind of evidence, either from the scene, maybe from her body, her clothes, maybe some touch dna, which is a great technology now, you can just get pieces of skin, just from your hands, if you touch the clothing. maybe they have some of that. they're not saying at all. but, you know -- and now i'm encouraged that they're still out there looking for hairs, fibers, anything at all they can do to link -- maybe link these two guys or someone else, another sex offender or anyone back to this case. >> yeah. let's delve into that a little bit, amber, before we let you go. so you're saying carpet fibers were taken from a neighbor's house? >> reporter: right. one of the last pleases nevaaeh
was known to have played, we are told by that neighbor that investigators have come in and snipped some of the fibers and told him it was for comparison sake. and that type of evidence, it might be small, but it can be certainly crucial in these sorts of investigations. . >> amber, what about her mom, jennifer buchanan? what had been her actions as of late? >> reporter: last we reported, which was today. i understand that some of her family members aren't sure where she is. she hasn't been seen for a few days. she has been careful not -- after the body was discovered, we haven't heard from her too much, as members of the media. which you can understand in either direction. but we don't know where she is right now. >> okay. amber, we appreciate it. hopefully as you said, and mike as well. amber hunt, "detroit free press", and mike thank you as well. coming up, a horrific crime
worse, the historic african-american cemetery in illinois where graves were dug up and resold. some new information on that, follow-up for you. let's bring in our prime news correspondent, richelle carey for that, our weekly "what matters" story. >> and this really matters, mike. burr oaks cemetery in suburban chicago is a massive crime scene. four people are accused of digging up hundreds of graves, reselling the plots. now with someone finally in control of the cemetery, and burr oaks set to reopen on august 1st, thousands of families may finally get some answers. joining me now, clarice dorhche. who are your relatives buried there? >> thank you for having me. my father was buried there may 19th of 1938, and i have a sister-in-law that was buried
there in '68. i have a first cousin that was buried there in 1970, and before that, my brother-in-law, who was a soldier was buried there in around 1952. >> miss dortche, none of us can imagine what you have been going through since that news broke. can you tell us how you found out about this? because people have been hearing about it on the news. how did you find out? >> that's how i found out. i was in my dining room, i can't remember doing exactly what. and i think i started toward the kitchen. and i heard them say something about burr oak, and my first -- frankly, my first impression was, oh, my goodness, that's horrible. what's going on out there? and then when i turned around and i did sit down to take a look at it, i started thinking about all of my family members that were out there. and i said, they just have been desecrated. that's ridiculous. it's just horrible. and i said, you know, what's -- what steps are they going to
take to satisfy us to let us know that, you know, they found things, and they really didn't. you know, they were just saying, okay, these bodies are out there, and they're buried, and they found bones in the dirt, and, you know -- and i felt bad. i really did. >> miss dortche, let me ask you about getting answers, because apparently a judge has now appointed swung to take over day-to-day operations of the cemetery. do you have someone that you've been able to talk to to start to get answers from? >> no. i have received two e-mails. one yesterday, one on the 16th and one yesterday. and they're very minimal. they just say that they -- be patient with them, and give them time, and they're going to work on it. that's basically it. >> you know, it almost seems like, miss dortche, and we're almost out of time, it seems like officials are trying to prepare you and others for the worst when they say that even dna testing may not get the
answers that people want, because unfortunately, these bodies were so desecrated and so -- basically, the bones were spread all over. and i hate to say that about your family members, please forgive me. are you prepared for the worst? >> oh, that's the truth. >> it is the truth. it is. are you prepared for the worst, if you're not able to get answers about what happened to your family? >> well, you know, i look at it this way. i know in my heart that my relatives are in my heart. they're with me. and those are just bones out there. and -- but when i stop to think about it, it's just the lack of respect that we have received, and i feel bad, because i'm just getting over losing my mother and my husband. and now to have to go through this all over again, relatives that have already been buried and we thought were resting in peace, there is no peace now.
we just have no peace. i think none of us. i think, you know, they should really try to do something for us. >> well, miss dortche. >> or help us, and if they don't -- if they don't, i guess we -- you know, we're frankly going to have to live with it. >> miss dortche, i'm sorry, i'm going to have to wrap you. i thank you for sharing your story and for more check out the august issue of "essence" magazine. >> a sad story. coming up, sad to infuriating, 28-year-old babysitter accused of sleeping with the 14-year-old. that's not all. she asked the kid's mom for a blessing so they could continue having sex and they could be a couple. isn't that nice?
to baby-sit she's 28, he's 14. police in post falls, idaho say they had sex at least four times. there she is, summer nelson, behind bars. good. investigators say she told the boy's siblings, the little brother and sister, that she is in love with big brother, even asked for mom's blessing on the relationship. what? so the two could live as a couple. oh, brother. joining me to talk about this, cooper are lawrence, a psychologist, also author of the book, "the cult of celebrity." and joining us by phone, jody lawrence turner, a writer for "the spokane spokesman review." when did all of this begin here? >> apparently it started in the summer of 2007. summer and the mom of this boy were friends. and summer, i guess, began, according to police, grooming the boy at that point. and then in august 2007, she was able to gain enough trust to
baby-sit. >> grooming the boy, huh? brother. okay. so she starts victimizing the 14-year-old. did the 12-year-old, the 9-year-old, hopefully they weren't involved at all, were they? >> police say no. >> no. okay. how did the crime come to light, jody? >> i guess it was a third party that reported it to police who then began investigating back in december of 2008. >> so third party. not the mom. was mom suspicious at all? what role did she play in all this? >> if she was suspicious, she didn't report anything. according to the police, it would have been some scenario like either summer or the boy told someone else, then reported it to authorities. >> gotcha. okay. what charges is she facing? >> she faces four counts of lewd conduct with a minor, which could mean a sentence of up to life, if she is convicted. >> wow. let's bring in cooper lawrence on this.
cooper, it sounds like mary kay will he turn owe all over again. she says she doesn't see anything wrong with this, she is in love with the 14-year-old, now 16, asking for mom's blessing. what's going on in this mind here? >> it's a type of pedophilia called hebaphilia. >> there is a name for it? >> there is, because there are pedophiles that have distinct preferences, and we as psychologists have to define them. and i will tell you first of all that treating them is nearly impossible. i rarely see anybody that doesn't have medication or, you know, some extreme sort of like castration, that sort of thing, where they actually stop. the recidivism rate is very high. so it's -- i have to say, the only good thing here is that she is 28, and we found out now. because heaven forbid that she starts at 28, and it goes on for many more years. you know, and people don't find out that she has this disorder. somebody that's a hebophile is
somebody that is interested in children, sexually aroused by children between the ages of 11 and 14, a very specific age range, because they are either on their way into puberty, or they're actually prepub he issent, or starting to reach puberty. and i mean, it's a sickness, it's a disorder. of there is nothing okay about this, and there are links to different mental disorders that are linked to this, like for example psychopathology. you have to think, there is some psychopathology going on here, if she asked for the mother's blessing. i mean, there is a problem. >> so wrong. back to jody lawrence turner. jody, was summer nelson ever married? do we know if she ever had representation with men her own age? >> i do not know that. >> all right. because cooper, sometimes we see in this that someone 28, 29, as we have seen in the past, find out they're married with a couple kids, and yet they're shacking up with some 13 or 14-year-old. what leads to this, cooper? i mean, you're talking about mental disorders.
what else from the past can lead to this? >> well, a lot of hebophiles and pedestrian owe files have been abused as a child. i'm a child. i'm not making an excuse, but trying to explain where the behavior stems from. >> how about the little ones, the younger sister and brother who heard the story and heard -- what kind of damage could they be suffering here? >> i think it would cause a lot of anxiety in children that young. because now they're going to learn that you can't trust that somebody that seems -- look at the picture, she doesn't look like the creepy pedophile we see in the movies. it's very disarming for a child because they don't know who to trust. their world feels shaky. there's no foundation there anymore. for the child that was abused, it's countless what can happen to him. everything from drug abuse to -- it's all negative outcomes. and the younger children who know about it, it's not uncommon to see anxiety disorders. >> no. jody, one last thing to you, jody lawrence turner, are there any other victim outs there?
police fearful she babysat other kids and tried this stuff? >> the police say, at this point, they have completed their investigation and not found any other victims. >> okay. all right. well, i guess that's a ray of silver lining in all this. jody lawrence turner, thanks for your reporting. cooper, always good talking to you as well. thanks for your insights. >> thanks, mike. from that to this. first we see jon gosselin on a yacht in the french liverivierah her 22-year-old girlfriend. now reports are that he's engaged.