tv Face the Nation Me-TV January 3, 2016 9:30am-10:30am CST
>> dickerson: his thoughts about new terror video featuring his controversial position on muslims. >> total and complete shut down of muslims entering the united states. >> dickerson: does it concern you that you're being used in recruitment video by terrorists? >> they use other people, too. i have to say what i have to say. >> dickerson: weighs in an hillary clinton and ted chris and talks about priorities and style as president. >> i would be a much different person i think as president. >> dickerson: look ahead at what 2016 will hold for the bargains isis, u.s. foreign policy and president obama's last year in office. it's all coming up on "face the nation." captioning sponsored by cbs good morning welcome to "face the nation" i'm john dickerson. we begin the new year with campaign 2016 and one of the people who continues to shake up the political world, donald trump. we caught up with him at his home in palm beach on new year's
with president obama's expected plan for new executive actions on guns. including expanding background checks purchases at gun shows we asked already trump what he thought about the president's plan. >> welly like it. i don't like anything having to do with changing our second amendment. we have plenty of rules and regulations, there's plenty of things that they can do right now that are already there that. we have tremendous mental health problem, we're closing places all over the world, all over the country they're closing. all they want to do is ban the guns. it's not the gun that pulls the trigger. i don't like it. i don't like what he's doing. i think that he's looking to do executive orders to do something having to do with guns. >> dickerson: background checks happen for normal gun purchases that are normal store. his argument would be just do it here, this loophole you want to make it the same everywhere. >> but i don't like changing anything. right now they have plenty of rules and regulations they should be looking at mental health.
people that are sickos all over the place that's the place here is the problem. i would spend more money on this. here is the problem, the bad guys are always going to get the guns. you can have all the restrictions you want. the bad guys will always have the guns. >> dickerson: let me ask you about executive orders in general, like them, don't like them, the president uses them to go around congress. >> well, i don't like them. our country wasn't based on executive orders. nobody really knew we even had executive order such a thing. it's supposed to be you get along with congress, you cajole, go back and forth are everybody gets in a room and end up with deals. his compromise on lots of other things, he giving up on the process an signs executive orders. >> dickerson: if you were president you seem like kind of guy if you were president you might use executive order or two. >> lot of precedent that he's doing. amazingly the courts took that pack a step and did something that was very surprising which
so that maybe that one, i would be rescinding a lot of executive orders that he's done. only good about executive order, the new president comes in, first day, first hour, first minute you can rescind them. >> dickerson: let me ask you about video being put out by isis group, donald j. trump calling for total and complete shut down. of muslims entering the united states. [ cheering and applause ] can figure out what [bleep] is going on. >> dickerson: then video goes on says, the west will eventually turn against its muslim citizens. they are saying to muslims, either you join jihad or leave the united states because of what mr. trump is proposing. >> look, here is the problem. i bring it up, other people have called me they say, you have guts to bring it up because frankly it's true. but nobody wants to get involved.
people that are on different persuasions than me right now, john, are saying, you know, maybe trump isn't wrong. we want to examine it. there's a lot of bad stuff going on. i'm watching the news tonight, actually, cbs, and so many of the elements, you look at germany, you look at brussels, you look all over the world, shutting down cities that never had a problem before. they're shutting down countries that never had a problem before. you look at paris, what happened. you look at california, what happened. maybe it's not politically correct, it's a big problem now we have to sell off the problem idea you're being used in essentially recruitment video by terrorist organization? >> they use other people, too, what am i going to do. i have to say what i have to say. you know what i have to say, there's a problem. we have to find out what is the problem and solve that problem. >> dickerson: do you think the problem is that -- that the west is on a collision course with radical islam or is this just
>> i think radical islam may be on a collision course with us. you could cake it around a little bit. but it is a very, very deep seeded hatred that's going on. you have a hatred like people willing to give their lives, i have to tell you, it is so big, it is the biggest thing there is right now, when i watch president obama, our biggest problem. it's just -- he doesn't want to use the words radical islam. anything having to do with radical and islam. so until he's willing to admit, how can you not at least talk about the problem. one of the things i've done i brought the problem up. i've said. now big parts of the world are saying, trump is really right at least identifying what's going on. if you're not going to solve the >> dickerson: let me ask you
will you talk as much as a president as you do as a candidate? will you be -- will you be on tv all the time, giving rallies that kind of thing? >> well, i think i would be giving rallies. i want to rally this country because our country has no spirit. i would certainly not talk as much. i'm going to originally 17 people now 14 people and 13 people lot of people are going to be dropping out. >> dickerson: our candidates. >> other candidates. obviously i have to do a lot of talking, i'm getting hit from 15 different sides i like to defend myself. but i would be a much different person i think as president. but i would be very enthusiastic, like i am right now toward the country. we need spirit. we need a cheerleader. president obama is a bad cheerleader. i thought he would be a good cheerleader, that's one thing i thought that he was going to be a great cheerleader. he's really a big divider. we need cheerleading. >> dickerson: you talked to some of our supporters, a few of them said when donald trump gets to be president he'll have people
says. are they right? >> i don't think i have rough edges, i'll be honest with you. i went to ivy league school, i was a good student, i within to the wharton school of finance, one of the great schools of the world. and i can be more politically correct than any coach that they can get me. i can be the most politically correct person with you. i could say something at the end of this interview you would say, wow, was that boring. give us -- >> dickerson: give us perfectly political -- >> here is the problem with political correctness, takes too long. we don't have time. i talked to you about anchor babies at one news conference. and one of the reporters, actually from abc, said, that's a derogatory term. i said, why? he said, well, he didn't know why. he said, what would you call them? the babies of undocumented immigrants -- like seven or eight word definition. i'm sorry we don't have time for
i can be the most politically correct person that you've ever interviewed. takes too much time. >> dickerson: isn't there a cost? think of all the names they call you because of the things you say. >> well, think of the fact that i'm leading in the poll by tremendous margins. i think that's part of is, too. people don't want political correctness, they're tired of it. that's one of the things that has resonated with me. i don't go out of my way to be politically incorrect. when. >> dickerson: then you think of the presidency, not the show part, what sit going to be like? do you think about that, the operation? >> i don't think about it. here is the thing. what i think is the process, we have lot of things to sell. health care problem that's incredible. obamacare going up 45%. you see the deductible that's happening going up so high never going to be able to use it. you look at isis. you look at our militaries in shatter you have the general saying it's not prepared, we're in the prepared as a military we're not prepared. it's been one of the worst -- he said -- he actually said from
inter view he was talking about lacked preparedness from the beginning. look at our vets how badly they have been treated. our borders how people are just pouring across our borders. there's plenty to do. >> dickerson: talk about the presidency and finger on the button. united states has not used nuclear weapons since 1945. when should it? >> well, it is an absolute last stance. i use the word unpredictable. you want to be unpredictable. somebody recently said i made a great business deal. the person on the other side was interviewed by a newspaper. how did trump do this. they say he's so unpredictable. i didn't know if they meant it positively or negatively. but he meant it positively. we have to be somewhat unpredictable. nuclear has to be absolutely last stance. i was against the war in iraq. i'm not a fast trigger. you have guys who think are very low key, be faster than me.
nuclear is a major problem. we have major problems, because you have other people that would be very fast, you look at north korea, some of these counsel trees, i don't think they would hesitate to use it if they really had it. >> dickerson: the united states -- >> it's really a last resort as far as i'm concerned. >> dickerson: president obama signed or said no more spying on allies but report in the "wall street journal" that was spying on top israeli officials. would you say no spying on israeli officials at all? >> i would certainly not want to do it. but i have to say this, we're being spied on by everybody. and it's terrible what is going on in that whole thing. we find out that we're being spied on by them. everything is out. the one bad thing about the computer generation, i have a son, he's nine years old, he can virtually take apart any computer. these people are so brilliant with computers, the old days when you fight a war you give somebody an armed guard he has envelope now going through so
is getting it. it's a real problem. the problem with the computer age is, i don't think you have secrecy any more. >> dickerson: you'd leave open possibility of spying on anybody, even allies. >> i would leave open possibilities of doing whatever it takes to make our country very, very strong and to make our country great again. >> dickerson: let's talk politics for a minute. you said that senator cruz appeared to be copying your immigration plan. your plan as i understand it is deportations then let good ones back in once they have left the country. >> have to go through a process. deportation. is he he stricter on undocumented -- >> first of all his plan just happened, okay? fact i was watching the other day, i was watching ted talk, we will build a wall. first time i've heard him. copying what you've been saying for a long period of time. no, no. i'm talking about deportation. and people can come back into the country, not just that group but other people can come back but everybody has to come into
i want a strong border. and i'm the one that came up with it. when i announced that i was running, i brought up illegal immigration. it wasn't even a subject that would have been discussed in this debate. now it's one of the very big subjects. ted cruz is trying to step up his whole game on amnesty and on illegal immigration because it was actually quite weak. you listen to him and marco rubio trying to solve the problems that they have had in the past because they were both weak on it. i have been very strong on it. so they're trying to get stronger. nobody has that position like i have that position. iment want the wall. i want everybody out. now people are coming to me. but nobody has that issue. nobody is going to be able to do it like me. nobody as an example on the wall, nobody is getting mexico to pay for the wall, the cost of the wall, but me. they don't even know. it's not in their vocabulary. >> dickerson: nobody thinks you're going to get -- >> they make a fortune with us so much month are money than
they can -- we have trade deficits, we have -- if you look at the kind of numbers that mexico makes with us, the wall is peanuts. only business person would say. that the politicians don't understand it, they're all talk and to action. >> dickerson: you said that the good ones would come back on expedited basis, wouldn't senator cruz say well that's amnesty? >> the good ones would be coming back i would say that we want to have them back. but we want to have lot of other people. we have one problem, we have millions of people on list that have gone through legal process they can't get into the country. we have to take care of them. i want people to come in. they just have to come back legally. >> dickerson: when you say about senator cruz not too many evangelicals come out of the cuba? >> it means that cuba generally speaking to a catholic country. and you don't equate evangelicals with cuba. i don't. i think evangelicals i have -- i guess i am, i'm presbyterian,
as coming out of cuba. >> dickerson: but you're not questioning whether -- as far as you know you could be more devout as you are. >> certainly it's possible. i'm not questioning. i say it in somewhat smiling manner, but there's a little truth to it. >> dickerson: when we come back in one minute donald trump talks about haak women in the
iowa. >> dickerson: we're back with more of our interview with donald trump. hillary clinton, what does it mean when you say she's playing the woman card? >> constantly playing the woman card. personally, i'm not sure that anybody else other than me is going to beat her. i think she's a flawed candidate. you see what has happened recently and it hasn't been a very pretty picture for her or for bill because i'm the only one that is willing to talk about his problems. i mean what he did and what he has gone through, i think is frankly terrible, especially if she wants to play the woman
to play the woman card in your view? >> she's playing it. she is pandering, she's pandering to the public and she's pandering to women. and when she did it with me, talked about sexist, i said, me, i have more respect for women by far than hillary clinton has. i will do more for women than hillary clinton will. i'll do far more. inuding the protection of our country. she caused a lot of the problems that we have right now. you could say she caused the migration, look at the problems in -- >> dickerson: as secretary of state? >> as secretary of state. the entire world has been upset, the entire world is a different place. did barack obama and hillary clinton's term she's done horrible job. she's caused so many of the problems. caused death. she's caused tremendous death
i was against the war in iraq, i wasn't a politics, but i was against the war in reaction she voted for the war in iraq $she caused -- >> dickerson: she caused death, how? >> look at libya. that was her baby. i'm not even talking about the ambassador and the people with the ambassador, young, wonderful people. with messages coming in by the hundreds and she's not even responding. i'm not talking about. that i'm talking about all of the death that's been caused. not only on our -- >> dickerson: that people were saved by going in taking -- >> there is nothing saved. if we would have never done anything in the middle east we'd have much safer world right now. getting rid of saddam hussein, i'm not saying he was a good person. he was a bad person. but what we have now is far worse. all of this has led to isis, all of this has led to the migration. all of this has led to tremendous death and destruction. and she for the most part was in charge of it along with obama. >> dickerson: you say you'll do
clinton how do you think woman's experience in daily life is different than the man? it's a different life. but at the same time i don't think women want to be pandered to. i think women don't like hillary clinton to be honest with you, john. i this you that women -- i see it all the time they tell me, you have to beat her, you have to win. she's a terrible person, she's a terrible person. women are telling me that. i think, frankly, that women do not like hillary clinton. >> dickerson: are women -- do they have the same advantages of men in today's world, do they -- >> i think they have come a long way. i think i've certainly within my company done things that were very different because 30 years ago i had woman in charge of building a massive building on fifth avenue, more than 0 years ago. nobody would have done that in terms of construction. it was unheard of. i was way ahead, i have so many women executives. they're incredible. but i have been great to women in terms of the world of
great credit for that. >> dickerson: you were going to send $2 million on ads -- >> no. i'm going to spend $2 million on ads per week at least. >> dickerson: what do people need to know? >> i'm probably wasting the money. but i'm $35 million under budget" was going to have that spent by now i haven't spent anything. i almost feel guilty. i'm doing the ads, i'm leading by you will say a lot, you can say the cbs poll, any poll, i'm winning by a lot. i don't think i need the ads. but i'm doing them, i almost feel guilty i'm $35 highway 40 million under budget. i was going to have at least $35 million spent as of january which is now. i spent almost nothing. i feel guilty. i'm going to spend a little money. i want to be certain -- i think i'll do very well in iowa. i'll do really well in new hampshire. new hampshire the polls are very, very powerful. very strong. in iowa i'm leading. nobody says it.
that i'm leading ted cruz is second. nobody ever talks about that poll, that was is very major poll probably the most expensive poll taken. but i'm at 33-20. i think i'm going to do very well wayne washington i'd love to win iowa. i could have said it differently i i do great with evangelicals and tea party i'm doing great. i have real good feeling with iowa. >> dickerson: last question. any new year's resolution? >> make our country great again. dickerson: mr. trump, thanks so much. >> thank you very much. dickerson: we'll be right
with the "washington post." reihan sal marks are is executive editor of national review. molly ball is politics writer for atlantic and jonathan martin national political correspondent. donald trump, is it essentially now his nomination to lose? on the republican side? >> he has big structural disadvantages. but i'd say the biggest advantage that he has is this. you just saw him talking about all kinds of subjects. but it really is the gut level message, if you look at his support it is heavily concentrated in parts of the country where over the last 20 years, manufacturing jobs have disappeared in large numbers. if you look over last 20 years, which industry is it that washington has fought to support. they were really desperate to make sure that our big banks can compete with the banks in london, in tokyo and elsewhere. so they passed series of laws to ensure that they were in the best shape to compete globally. where if you look at our
rust belts, these parts of the country these are parts of the country where they don't really feel like they have had friends and allies. donald trump doesn't actually talk about industrialization but what he does say is that the people in charge are not listening to you, they are fundamentally untrustworthy where as i am plain spoken and can be trusted. and whichever candidate is going to win is someone who can channel that anger that feeling of being left out not listened to. >> dickerson: donald trump said he's going to win iowa. >> i was so struck by that at the end. so much of the expectation of these primaries is driven by what the candidates say going in, how they set up their own assumptions about what state they're can go to perform well, only going to do well. by say can that he basically has raised the bar on his own campaign in iowa. the to point where cruz does beat them it's going to be even more of blow for trump otherwise would have. trump is so trumpian he can help
raise the bar on himself. >> denies that he said it. win. that's the -- that's the challenge when the votes are cast. >> that is his challenge. but i think to answer your question, it is his to lose right now. he may well not win iowa. we really still do have questions about whether he's trump voters are actually trump voters as opposed to trump supporters. but it is -- i think only word that comes to mind here watching your interview with him was terrific appalling. in terms of his lack of substance. his lack of deep thinking. his failure to answer really serious questions like the one that you asked him about, what is the implication of your turning up in this isis video. because he said very hurtful things that really can encourage people to join isis. and how do you deal with that?
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it will get more substantive, start to think about them in the oval office is that right? >> it sound like wishful thinking on the part of the republican establishment which has been chasing it's own tail for months about this trump phenomenon. it had to be the other guy then we've all got to get together. that didn't work. there's sort of collective action problem on the part of the other candidates now we seem to move to this wishful thinking phase where, voters are just wake up from this bad dream we've all been having. and you know, i'll believe it when i see it. but most, actually all productions about inevitable decline of trump have fallen short. i don't know if anyone pointed this out he said he's leading in iowa it's not true. all of the more recent polls do have ted cruz up in iowa. so there is a corollary to the wishful thinking that says when he alluded to before, won't seem like winner any more, sort of deflate the balloon, everybody will just peel away. that's a possibility, but what i
new to me, he's going after ted cruz. >> dickerson: on immigration. >> they haved that this very ostentatious love fest the two of them so far. practically hugging. now you hear trump actually fighting an attack, interestingly we're ending the year where started his campaign with immigration. he has a point. >> it never would have come up if it weren't for donald trump. >> that's been his challenge. cruz in iowa in december. he actually started down that road. but he couldn't keep it up because problem is that cruz is nice to him. so hard -- so hard for trump to target somebody who is nice to him. cruz figured that out long ago. so, his approach has been very short, you hug him really close. >> if you look at the republican party, if you look at the elite side fundamentally you have
what donald trump has demonstrated is that this libertarianism does not run very deep with actual republican voters. not very deep at all. what ted cruz has done, you see this actually in the funt raising what he's done he's managed to get some of that libertarian business class wall street republican support. while also getting the populous national support, bit of that, that also means you get small donors as well as big donors. trump, however, to me what he's done whether or not, i have no idea, honestly, whether or not he wins he's demonstrated that that libertarianism, cutting taxes all of this stuff doesn't actually matter to real life republican voters. 40% of republican voters say that they want upper income taxpayers to pay higher taxes. whoever do you see in republican primary come out of this. i'm going to leave the top rate alone focus on middle class tax cuts. marco rubio has flirted with this idea without really
he, too, has that straddle. these keep both sides of the party happy but what trump is demonstrated that there's this whole other lane for republicans to pursue. this populous, national lane that is very potent. >> with trump, it is. but he's demonstrating that there's a market for that, if someone can sell that, cruz is libertarian. >> that's the portion of cruz's support that i don't think trump gets because cruz -- trump actually sort of going after cruz on religion thing which is very weird and a little bit race baby because he's cuban can't be shore an evangelical that is the portion, especially iowa electorate is accessible to trump. you don't him trying to speak. >> dickerson: ruth, let me ask you about this frack cuss
they got back and forth saying he was sectionist. if you want to have conversation about how do you think that works out, you were quoted favorably by some people as having said this was fair game. >> i do think it's fair game. to talk about bill clinton for two reasons. one is hillary clinton attacked donald trump appropriately and correctly for sectionist remarks which -- sexist remarks of which there are many. bill clinton's record with women then becomes fair game. she also has designated him as her surrogate in chief will be week. she does both of those things, attacks trumps for sex u.k.ism picks bill clinton as surrogate, i'm not talking about extra hair marital affairs, his conduct, but it's inappropriate with women including in the oval office. that becomes fair for trump. whether it affects any voters
i think it's smart for trump to raise in primary campaign, there are no republican voters who are going to be offended by this. in a general election campaign much dicier topic. >> dickerson: does this work in the general election or just a brush-back pitch. in other words, signal to hillary clinton that if she doesn't want this to be talked about she should stop attacking. >> i'd be very surprised if the nominee was trump in that general election. >> dickerson: in 191998 they went behalf tore bill clinton had a bad year. >> a blow back. >> he does have point when he talks about how she's pandering to women. we do her leaning into sort of feminism as identity politics. she didn't in 2008 in way that was seen as damaging and dangerous in 2008 she had to be margaret thatcher, had to be tough, had to be genderless. this time around very different campaign. she's talking very openly about being the first woman president as an asset of her campaign, something she wants to
>> i do think that, number one, he has a point in pointing that out. some people may be offended by it, some may not. number two, ruth is right if hillary is going to say that the things that bill clinton did that are ordered -- regarded positively are -- but that's ridiculous, it is fair game. >> dickerson: broaden this out talk about larger republican field. we've got donald trump. we've talked a lot about him. what do the other candidates do to make some inroads, to make a claim to win the nomination? >> it's going to be very regionally specific at this point i imagine. as you guys all know, in new hampshire you have a particular quirky race in which chris christie is doing very well. completely invisible in the rest of the country but doing well there. it's all this jockeying for third place, this idea that jeb bush needs to get into third in iowa, to be viable going forward.
of medium term, what matters is, who is accessible to everyone. as guys get knocked out, is someone finally said something sufficiently outrageous that's why marco rubio has been pretty under whelming, that's why he's still lurking and people still think of him as one of the big three, trump, cruz, rubio, because he is more or less find can him accessible. but then also people otherwise cruz fans, he's basically conservative, made this one huge mistake on immigration from their perspective. but that i think is going to matter more, also this could be a race in which actually one can preserve one's liability after not having done well in the first two or three primaries it seems like -- >> dickerson: the terrorist video and donald trump's role. it seems to me that if we go back to this notion, molly called it wishful thinking that voters start to look at the candidates as president.
say, where donald trump's mouth had real consequences. do you think there's any strength in that argument that anybody can use this against trump this video, the fact he was used in a terrorist video that that has any resistance or just another when trump supporters won't mind. >> i am tempted to ebb gauge in wishful thinking. the consequences of trump's outrageous statements of which we could go on for three more hours, don't seem to be affecting his support among voters. so it's hard for me to see that this one does. at the same time, i have been waiting to see, hoping to see the electability moment happen among voters. you hear that in past psych frills voters particularly in new hampshire. where they -- republican voters ought to be saying, it's our turn we need the white house back. i ought to be looking and saying, he is not going to get us.
but you will hear in the coming weeks, on january 3, looking at a primary where donald trump -- becomes nominee plausible. >> dickerson: in general election or -- >> the primaries. just don't know what is going to happen. just don't know what is going to happen. i think we have to basically acknowledge that. that this is a very uncertain territory we're entering but what is striking is that nobody is even confronting the front runner. if you believe it's trump, molly mentioned this, where is the money against him? he has not been touched at all. >> howard dean in 2004 was widely seen as a disaster, as george w. bush, the democratic establishment rallied. you don't see anything like this, which makes this a different kind of race. and i think that's in part because as molly pointed out lot of folks within establishment are skeptical that his folks will show up.
get -- they know that he hits back hard. end result is to have this guy less than -- in iowa completely untouched. >> i think, jonathan talked about something important which is the dog that hasn't barked this campaign. supposed to be all about money, supposed to be all about super pacs, jeb bush has spent like $50 million -- >> we haven't gotten -- but really remarkable how little impact money has had. >> a little negative on the nontrump. in other words, if everybody else attacking each other. speaking of money have to talk about the democrats. bernie sanders put out this interesting quote, molly when he released this, he had very good strong number and at the end he says, he's talking about -- quote, incredibly the vast majority of all the money we've raised comes from small donor contribution, you won't see that from our opponent. i don't go around asking handful
billionaires for big checks and that's right at hillary clinton about money is that effective? >> i think it's very effective. if you're on the trail with bernie sanders and he starts to rail against citizens united, it is very much at the heart of his candidacy, complaint about money and politics. interestingly, trump echos him a little bit there because i do think this is bipartisan phenomenon the anger at money and politics. so, yes, it's very -- $33 million versus $55 for hillary clinton this is her holding fundraisers multiple times a day, he has held i believe one. that is really remarkable. it tells you that, i don't think bernie sanders is likely to win this democratic primary but he would have made huge impact had a huge voice by proving that there street liberal ground women out there. proving that there's a segment of the democratic party that wants to hear things that he is saying, he's already forced hillary to the left on issues.
telling us something about this national mood and what voters are concerned about. >> imagine if bernie were more charismatic. you think about that amount of money that americans spend on pants, it's not that impressive. i think as a surprised he didn't raise more money, only idea all small donors, how amazing is that that is why he's so weak. go back to ted cruz, from big donors and small donors. guys. you want to have that balance, even hillary clinton is under whelming she at least is able to connect, maybe willing to write her $20 check as well as the rich guys in dc and l.a. i think that is why bernie ultimately -- any candidate in that lane was going to raise a fair bit of money. >> it had an impact -- dickerson: we'll have to cut you off there.
>> couple of things. one reaction was predicted and predictable. two, at the same time the united states seeking to lower tensions in the region in pursuit of effort against isis and political process in syria that raises tension. three, i think it reflects couple of things. it's one of the key conflicts in the middle east. the reflects i think how saudi arabia sees the threat both internally to saudi arabia and kingdom also externally. it needs to be said that iran is a principle force for destabilization in the region. iran looks around what saudi arabia looks around see what iran is doing in beirut and damascus and baghdad feels i think threat. also reflects as competition for influence in the region between saudi arabia and iran. it's increase intentions at time when united states trying to
pursuit of major policy objectives. >> i wound add that the iranians in this case act the responsibly. the police showed up very quickly, made a number of arrests. i hope the iraqi government acts as responsibly. the saudis just last week opened up embassy in baghdad f first time in 25 years i hope this doesn't reverse that. >> dickerson: stay in iraq. ramadi has been retain or partially retain by iraqi forces why is that so important, retain from isis which took it in may. why is that important? >> it's important for two reasons, john. the first is, what was taken from isis and second is who took it. what was taken, this was strategically significant city. largest city in anbar province, the capital where the sunnis in iraq live. on the strategic road to syria, on the strategic highway to jordan. 70 miles from baghdad, an embarrassment to the iraqi government when they lost it seven months ago.
who took it, all of the games to date in iraq have been by the kurds or by shia militia in this case it was iraqi security forces. >> dickerson: tom, we look back on this say this was a turning point for the region? >> i think it's important progress, no doubt about that. a part of continuing progress against isis where they lost about 30% of their territory that they had at the height of their sweep across iraq. i think it's also to be put in perspective. we have a long way to go. this operation took eight months, 630 or so u.s. airstrikes. a tremendous amount of support for the iraqi security forces in pulling this off. it's a smaller city, it's important city as michael said the capital in anbar. but the next space mosul perhaps as iraqi prime minister. mosul five times as big as ramadi.
we'll have to provide security, iraq provide security, people need to know they are going to be secure, need to see reconstruction, the united states and other countries of a pledged money for reconstruction. and progress towards inclusion of sunnis in anbar politically in iraq. >> dickerson: mike, there was story this week about president being frustrated that his isis strategies of countering was not getting the kind of public relations explanation that he wanted he was getting bad lab for things. what do you make of that argument, that this is a communication failure more than actual failure on combating isis and secondarily, how is the fight against isis picked up since the last two months? >> so, i think what you are likely to see, john, over the next year is -- without a diplomatic settlement in syria what you're likely to see is growing gap between success in
it looks like iraq key security forces are getting their act together as tom said. so, growing gap between success in iraq and lack of success in syria. i believe that's where diplomatic focus needs to be and military focus needs to be. >> dickerson: you know, there's no doubt that bur rock:-- iraqi security forces are being improving in terms of the capability we saw that in ramadi. i think progress can be made against isis militarily, indeed i think it's critical in 2016 that the united states and coalition of some 60 countries facing off against isis break the narrative of success. that's the key recruiting tool that this group has around the world. and that's important because this group, i do think we'll make serious progress against them in 2016 they have metastasized, they are in discriminate franchises, they present real challenges around the world in places like libya which will be challenges for us
>> dickerson: about that metastasizing. people have had some difficulty putting isis in context, marco rubio calls it clash of civilizations between radical islam and the west. or just a fight against a big group, isis which needs to be taken care of but it doesn't have that cultural rap. >> it's unique challenge. i think unprecedented challenge, they have controlled territories, insurgency in iraq, threatens iraqi states. it is well financed from a variety of means. it is -- has top down control structure. also been recipient some of 30,000 foreign fighters. largest compilation of fighters we've ever seen in circumstance like. this unique challenge. but two other things make it unique. it is taking advantage of technology. really isis and number of the other groups we see in the worldcom to nexus with technology which is allowed them
just in the theater and syria and iraq that's what we've seen. we've seen that through establishment of these franchises around the world, also seen it in their ability to radical lies individuals and groups around the world to take action. that is a you've unique and new challenge. >> dickerson: the last couple of minutes we have here. we have year ahead of us. what should we be keeping our eye on in terms of big challenges in this next year, say outside of isis which we've talked about? >> one big challenge is going to be the re-emergence of averages as an issue. taliban have made major gains over the last year. i would expect similar gaiai going forward. they control more territory now than they have, a number of years, i think the debate on how many troops we keep in afghanistan is going to reopen. general campbell already last week said we need upwards of 10,000 troops which is double
looking at. >> dickerson: tom, your thoughts? >> i think we have continuing challenge ex sect isis that's principle security challenge. i think mike sell right about afghanistan. i think also you'll see in the final year of president obama's term a big emphasis on foreign policy and national security. if you look at calendar between now and the end of the term there's a major event or foreign policy trip every month during the course. that's when presidents go in this direction they have much more freedom to act in foreign policy than they do in domestically. you'll see that and there will be challenges to deal with. there will be consolidation and implementation of things that the president put in place and some opportunity, for example, he'll be in asia twice. he'll have asia-related evidence. >> dickerson: quickly last 30 seconds, reports u.s. spying on israeli officials, put that into context or explain that to us.
specific intelligence activities of course in this case i don't know what exactly what's happening. i'd say a couple of things. one is, we're looking at two different issues here. one issue is a decision to spy perhaps on an ally. that's decision that's made at the highest levels of our government, that's where it should be made. i would say that we should always keep open the option of being able to spy on anybody when it's our national security interest. second issue is how information with regard to netanyahu's discussions about his relationship with the u.s. congress are handled by the intelligence community. there are very specific rules about that. and the congress is looking into whether those rules were
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