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are making that final push for support. donald trump is not ending on a modest note. >> i could stand in the middle and shoot somebody i wouldn't lose any voters, okay? >> dickerson: we'll talk to him about that and hear from bernie sanders poised to upset hillary clinton in the hawkeye state. plus, a brand new cbs news battleground tracker tells us how voters are making their final choices. we've got the snow cleared off the satellite, it's all coming up on "face the nation." captioning sponsored by cbs the nation" i'm john dickerson. at least 19 people have died as a result of the storm that has tripled the east coast. some 80 million people have been affected we begin here in washington. >> good morning, john. the story of the storm varied by geography but here in washington, it brought us more snow than we typically get in an entire year. when the blizzard conditions finally lifted, the nation's
with feet of snow turning the usually green national mall to a sea of frigid white. one western suburb reported 39 inches of snow from the monster storm that pounded the washington, d.c. area for 36 hours. maryland's governor closed stretches of three interstates overnight banning all nonemergency vehicles. the blizzard hit the south first dumping snow and ice knocking out power to thousands. more than 10,000 flights have been cancelled since friday as blizzard made its way north. flights to washington and new york are expected to resume until some time monday. washington subway and buses aren't running as the great dig out finally begins. further north the storm caused huge 500 car back up on the pennsylvania turnpike, among those stranded for entire day was bus carrying the temple university girl's gymnastics team. in washington region not known for its response to snowstorms the big question will the city
or will weather gridlock start the the week. >> dickerson: thanks, chris. in new york city with story hit harder than first expected. marlie? >> here in central park snow totals reached 26.8 inches. just shy of the record set back in 2006, cars are back on the roads this morning, bridges and tunnels are open but yesterday the city was on lockdown. new york city mayor bill deblack yes banned travel until 7:00 a.m. this morning. >> this is a very big deal. >> on buses and most trains were also stopped. more than two feet of record breaking snow and ice blanketed new york city. hurricane force winds created white out conditions. new york governor andrew question know declared a state of emergency then jumped into action to help a motorist stuck in the snow. but not everyone was so lucky.
accidents, none of them fatal. there was some disappointment on broadway, shows were cancelled yesterday and ticket holders had to find other ways to weather the storm. officials said more than 25 0 snow plows were deployed to clear roads. while there has been a lot of progress, the mayor says things won't get back to normal here before the start of the work week tomorrow. >> dickerson: marlie hall in new york, thanks. and on jersey shore. >> good morning, john. historic blizzard brought more than snow look at the water it is rising here along the jersey shore that is what a lot of people were concerned about, some of the streets in the flooded. you can barely see there's actually a bench under water behind me. now, the ocean waters reached high tide last night and this morning causing the water to
that's put hundreds ever homes at risk. coastal flooding remains a concern this morning, the national weather service expects road flooding and minor to moderate property damage. conditions have improved since yesterday when large chunks of ice flowed down this street in ocean city and officials in at least one shore town issued a mandatory evacuation. governor chris christie who left the campaign trail friday in new hampshire because of the storm, said this was his 17th snow emergency in six years. we know how to do this. right now, a state of emergency is still in effect here in new jersey, waters are expected to recede, issue today is cleaning up the snow and of course assessing the overall damage. john. >> dickerson: for us on the jersey shore. thanks. we turn now to campaign 2016 our new battleground tracker results. donald trump is back on top in
he's at 39%. ted cruz behind him by just five points at 34%. marco rubio running third at 13% the rest are at 5% and below. in new hampshire, a big lead with 34% compared to ted cruz at 16%. rubio at 14. kasich at 10. rest of the field at 7% or less. in south carolina, the story is much the same, trump ahead 40%, cruz in second with 21%. rubio in third with 13. the others are ated% or less. bad weather kept snowed in here in washington and unable to sit down with donald trump in person so he is joining us by phone this morning from iowa. good morning, mr. trump, thanks for joining us. you said yesterday you could shoot someone on fifth avenue wouldn't lose voters. you're that confident? >> well, i have a very great group of people, john.
that it's been so reported, even in your poll. but in a lot of polls they do that to loyalty factor. my factor is up when you add it all up it's close to 90% these are people ha that just won't leave. they will not leave. i love my people. it's a great thing. it's a great thing. far greater loyalty than any other candidate by double, triple, quadruple. i love my people. >> dickerson: on one hand you have your people this week on the other hand you have the national review putting out a special issue trying to convince people not to support you, not to vote you, why do you think they did that? what was their arenaing? >> it's a failing magazine, number one. they need publicity. they are people that most of whom i don't know. most of whom -- don't forget i've been in business, i've made a lot of money, which i'm going to do for the country now. i've been focused on jobs and money and deals, that's what i do. that's what the country needs. these are people for the most part i don't know. i don't even know who most of them are. i don't want to know who most of
they are just people that are i guess trying to save a magazine that is close to closing up. they get publicity, i think it plays into what i'm saying divisiveness. they backed romney, he lost. they lose. they don't know how to win. i'm not sure they want to win they just want to stay relevant. they're very irrelevant. >> dickerson: they make argument that ted cruz which is that your not, this is phrase that common sis than conservative. that you have changed your positions on some things over time. what is your response to that critique? >> usually i just evoke the name ronald reagan. ronald reagan was fairly liberal democrat, he evolved over years and became more and more conservative. he was not a very conservative person but he was pretty conservative. he ended up being a great president. and i have evolved on many issues. there are some issues very much the same. i've been constant on many issues, but i have evolved.
experience and through you grow older you see things, you watch thing, you study things. ronald reagan the exact same thing. he was much more liberal than i was. he was fairly liberal. lot of people don't know that. he became a fairly conservative president, but he did become a great president. >> dickerson: what is your definition of conservative? >> well, i think it's a person that doesn't want to take risks. i think that's a good thing. a person that wants to in terms of government i'm talking about. person that wants to conserve, a person that wants to in financial sense balance budgets. a person that feels strongly about the military and i feel very strong low about the military. and you have some of these amy they don't even want to focus on the military. our military is falling apart i feel very -- i have always felt very strongly about the military. by the way, if you look at vision, the word vision, i was the one that said, take the oil, i've been saying that for years,
nobody would listen then all of a sudden after paris they started saying maybe that's right we'll take the oil. they still don't take the proper way. i was -- which is a little bit different than normal conservative. but i was very much opposed to the war in iraq. lot of these guys were all for the war in iraq look what's that has got it. spent $2 trillion, now handing iraq over, just handing over to iran. iran is going to take over iraq i said that was going to happen. i said that years ago. in 2003 that iran will take over iraq was largest oil reserves in the world that's not a conservative position. when i was saying, don't go into iraq i'm a very militaristic person, i'm very much into the military, will build our military better and stronger, that's the -- opposed to what we have now. i was opposed to the war in iraq. most conservatives, let's go gung-ho. everyone of them wanted the war
look what it us. >> dickerson:let me ask you about ted cruz, you wouldn't vote for ted cruz, but you pledged to support the party's nominee. >> it depends where he's f. he's got a problem. he in my opinion, i mean it's looking more and more as you notice tup constitutional lawyers say he was born in canada. he didn't tell people. he said he didn't know about it until 15 months ago he was a canadian citizen. he was joint with the united states but he was a canadian citizen until 15 months ago. he was united states senator, i guess nobody figured this out, he was citizen of canada. and lot of people now are saying he was born in canada. he was born on canada soil or canadian soil. and he cannot run. as you though, i guess you probably heard last night illinois is looking at it very seriously may not even let him run in illinois they feel strongly about it.
yeah, if he got the nomination, if everything was fine i would vote for ted cruz. i'd go for ted cruz. >> dickerson: you would vote for him. >> i was putting that in relationship to his place of birth. real question whether or not ted cruz is allowed to run for president. i will tell you, the first thing if he got the nomination, first thing that would happen democrats will bring a lawsuit against him, large tribe of harvard and many other people, many people beyond have come down and said he's not entitled to run. it's got to -- whether he gets declare for rejudgment from the courts he's got to trait enthat out. there's a big p fat question mark. >> dickerson: to be clear you would vote for ted cruz if he would be the nominee. somebody else thinking about, michael bloomberg you said yesterday, i love it. if he -- him getting in the race, why would you love it? >> i know michael very well, i'd love to compete against michael. i know him very well. i think he might very well get in the race.
the race. >> dickerson: one of the things -- >> he's very opposite on me with guns and pro life and he's opposite on lot of things. i would love to have michael get in the race. but i don't know if he's going to do it. but i hope he does. i would love to compete against michael. >> dickerson: get in the race, he's thinking because you're doing so well. it would be counter balance you. >> that would be good. that's a good thing. i would love to have michael get in the race. michael has been a friend of mine over the years. perhaps we're not friends any more. he's wanted to do this for a long time. he never pulled the trigger, we'll see if he does right now. i would personally love to compete with michael plumeberg. >> dickerson: speaking of mayors, you supported bill deblasio -- >> i never supported him. i said i think he's going to win. because i saw the kind of competition that he had. i never supported bill. i never supported -- glenn beck said i supported barack obama he
picked up somebody's phony website where they do this. they said donald trump supported barack obama. he's saying that -- came down very strongly with him last week because i was on john mccain's committee i raised lot of money for john mccain i was 100% behind -- i kept hearing that this stupid person, i mean he's a failed person, he's a mess. he was going around saying i was voting for barack obama. do you believe that i would vote for barack obama? believe me. is he he -- he issued apology when he found out he got duped. he got duped by some trickster. >> dickerson: the quote, i think strongly that he'll end up being good mayor maybe very good mayor. i just wondered why you thought that -- >> i did say that because i deal in new york. frankly i hope he was a good mayor, turned out to be a terrible mayor he doesn't know what he's doing. he's incompetent. when he first got elected -- that's not supporting him.
in new york, i have tremendous business in new york. it's nice to see guy, if he gets in but i never supported him. i would never support him with his issues. but what i did say good luck. congratulations. i hope he's going to be a good mayor. i hope. i wish he would be a good mayor, he's not a good mayor, he's a terrible mayor. >> dickerson: thanks very much. >> that's not supporting somebody. rooting somebody on. i have to live with him. i have many building in new york. i have a big business in new york. i wish he were good but he's not. >> dickerson: all right. thank you very much, mr. trump. we look forward -- >> thank you, john. dickerson: look forward to seeing you in person for the broadcast. >> i look forward to it, too. dickerson: we'll be back in a minute. the future belongs to the fast. and to help you accelerate, we've created a new company... one totally focused on what's next for your business. the true partnership where people,technology and ideas
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he's at 47%. in new hampshire, sanders has a comfortable lead. he's up 57% to 36 for clinton. but in south carolina the numbers are totally reverse. clinton is far ahead of sanders with 60% of democrats. expected to sort her in the primary versus only 38% for sanders. senator sanders joins us now from the campaign trail in dubuque. i want to start with that difference between iowa and new hampshire and south carolina. the political report looked at the rest of the states after iowa and new hampshire found they didn't have as many liberals as the first two states. the question is, can you go the distance even if you win in iowa and new hampshire? >> well, john, let me just say that the poll in south carolina was 60 to 38. if that's the case it is showing making huge gains. i feel confident that if we can win here in iowa and new hampshire, those are tough
carolina and nevada. if you look at the polling recently, i could tell you because i have been to south carolina, we have lot of momentum on the ground. i think picking up more and more african american support frankly i think we can win there. >> dickerson: you have new ad out this week which is you and simon and garfunkel song "america" what does that ad mean for you? >> what that ad is about is to talk about the fact that, yes, we come together as a country. we have so much strength, so many extraordinary people that as we come together there is nothing that we cannot accomplish. we are the wealthiest country in the history of the world we should not have. highest rate of childhood poverty only country that doesn't guarantee paid family and medical leave. when we come together, that is what it is.
target is beautiful. tackle the real problems facing our nation. we can accomplish enormous things. >> dickerson: here is how bill clinton characterized your campaign he said, quote, this other guy's madder than he is, refer can to his wife, that feels authentic, his slogans are easier to say. your reaction. >> the american people are angry, john. people are angry because they don't understand why they have to work longer hours for lower wages in almost all income going to the top 1%. they are angry because their kids are leaving school $50,000 in debt. and they're rack degree because they are seeing united states having a nation in which elderly people are trying to make it on $13,000 on social security. people are asking why. i share that anger. >> dickerson: what president clinton touching on something that liberal writers in the
the "new york times." they say there's too much idealism in your campaign, don't let idealism veer into self destructive, self indulgence. what is your reaction to this idea that you're offering too much here. >> i am not offering too much. you know, john, i think that's really unfair criticism. to say that we should make public colleges and universities tuition free. as many other countries are doing, pay for that through tax on wall street, to say that do away with loopholes that allow corporations to put their money in the cayman islands, pay nothing in federal income taxes. that is not a utopian pie in the sky idea. that's exactly. we are the only major country that doesn't guarantee healthcare to all people as a right. to say that have medicare for all single pair, that is what every other major country is
what has happened over the years we have become so conservative, we have been dominated so much by wall street and big money interests, that people are forgetting what we can do and what we should do. yes, i do believe that wealthiest people harshest corporations should start paying their fair share of taxes, that's what the american people want. that's not utopian. >> dickerson: switch to policy. i was struck by reading 200 quote from howard dean another liberal vermont democrat who campaigned on understanding the gun culture. and he said this about gun control. just let the states do what they want get it off the democratic 'general d. do you believe that basically that in the end that gun control issue is not really one for the president but something for the states to decide? >> no. i don't believe that. i don't believe at all. way back when back in 1988 when i first ran for congress, i may have lost a statewide election by three points, because i said i thought it was a bad idea for us to be selling military-style
what we have these horrific mass killings, when people walk into a church and start shooting people, walk into a school, this is an issue that we have got to deal with. i support what president obama is trying to do and deal with the gun show loophole we have to strengthen the instant background checks. our goal as a nation, i think overwhelming support for this, john, to make sure that guns do not fall into the hands of people who should not have them. people who are -- have criminal backgrounds, people who are mentally ill. >> dickerson: let me ask you about health care, your health care plan, one of the criticisms that the national health care plan in other places is, maybe people can be covered but the waiting time to get -- to see a doctor can be long and excruciatingly long what is your solution to that criticism? >> look, fact of the matter is, it's not only in america that we have 29 million people without
john, they wait a very long time to get health care, sometimes they just don't get it at all. the other crisis that we face we have even more people who have large deductibles and copayments. they also hesitate about going to the doctor. we are now spending almost three times more than british, 50% more than the french who guarantee healthcare to all of their people. in my view, the medicare for single payer system can guarantee quality health care for all of our people and at the same time save middle class families thousands of dollars a year. so, if you want comprehensive health care, if you want to make sure that people can go to the doctor when they need to go to the doctor, i think medicare for all program is the way to go. >> dickerson: senator sanders we'll have to leave it there. thanks for joining us. we'll be back in a moment.
>> dickerson: we're back with more of our cbs news battleground tracker. anthony salt van though is our director of elections. give me on -- start with the republicans. below the top line number what's the most important thing happening in that race? >> trump coming back in iowa to retake the lead, cruz had it last month. he does this by, number one, hanging on to his own support which is right, it has been remarkably durable. he's gained evangelicals, gained with tea party voters. interestingly doing better throughout the week of polling, maybe there's endorsements early in the week, palin endorsement, cruz didn't hurt. >> dickerson: he's holding on to his pace taking a little from ted cruz's base. now switch over to the democrats. what is your big take away other than those top line numbers, what is driving voters on that side of the race? >> behind bernie sanders catching up is a feeling among voters that his critiques of hillary clinton about too many
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>> dickerson: welcome back. we're back with anthony salvanto director of elections here at cbs. let's go back to iowa they're going to start vote in eight days. i can't believe it. cruz was up nine points in december. now trump is up five. cruz has been making a lot of attacks on trump saying he's not a consistent conservative, he
if that would work anywhere it would seem that iowa would be the place but it's not working. >> it's not. this is not necessarily an ideological election. this is about who can change things, this is he a bout who can fix things. and trump is ahead of cruz on those measures. you look at people who say they want the economy fixed.
that's the number one thing behind donald trump's support. cruz's support is more concentrated in people who say they want a president who will defend their faith and defend their religion. that's important in iowa. evangelical vote always important in iowa. but not quite large enough sled. not enough of voting block to put him now past donald trump. plus, you add in the fact that trump has cut into cruz's lead with evangelicals, cut into it with the tea party support and that adds up then to that trump number. >> dickerson: what are about trump voters.
he's right about that. we've been reinterviewing people on this panel. >> dickerson: tracking over time. >> we sat here in september we talked about donald trump's support. we reinterviewed those people, they are still with him. over 909%. once they come to donald trump they stay there. and the other -- >> dickerson: that number 90% put that in context relative to somebody else. anybody up in the 90s anywhere close? >> no. because they have all been shifted around. cruz took from carson. rubio's pulled from bush, et cetera. nobody matched that. at the same time, trump will eventually perhaps need to grow that base a little bit and maybe have some challenges there. >> dickerson: what are his challenges? >> i think you look at people who aren't with him as has often been the case they say they have hard time considering him. and many of them find him to be out of the mainstream.
of the field were to consolidate he needs another 5 x 10% how does he get those people. that remains i think a challenge for him. of course tush out always big challenge in iowa. we did ask people, do you know where your caucus location is. that's the first thing to know. and trump's people say they did. >> dickerson: if you know what the caucus is you're likely to go. that's the big question for somebody who is bringing in new voters presumably. >> exactly. dickerson: let's talk about the other states that you looked at. florida, texas, how is it looking in other states? >> looks like rest of the nation which is lot of trump. lot of trump lead. in florida he is up big. in georgia he's up. and in texas he is -- ted cruz that's his home state. you look at florida, that looks a lot like what the rest of the country looks like where marco rubio is from florida, of course, he's down there.
but big picture here, john, is that look at this whole thing as a delicate fight that is going to go on for a few months. going to make a big deal out of iowa and new hampshire. but as we get into march these things, all these delegates are going to be up for grabs. and early part of february only like 5% of the delegates we're looking at here. >> dickerson: let's switch over to the democratic side. bernie sanders it's neck and neck but bernie sanders has got the momentum, what's behind it. they're listening to his attacks on wall street. >> they are. i mentioned earlier that majority of democrats in iowa think that hillary clinton might side with big donors over regular people. where as 91% of them feel that bernie sanders would side with regular people over big donors. there's another part of this, too, you notice of course the race has gotten a little more heated in recent days. each have been critiquing each
feel that bernie sanders critiques on hillary clinton have been fair where as lesson hillary clinton's attacks on bernie sanders had been fair. in fact, even many of hillary clinton's supporters feel that bernie sanders makes their point about her. >> dickerson: does she have something that she does this she can hang on to that if we -- she should talk about that voters seem to be listening to when it comes to her? >> absolutely. it's electability. when you look at the people who want most of all to win in november, they are overwhelmingly with her. like 75%. but also look at who wants to shake up the system, bernie sanders gets those voters. who wants to get progressive things done, bernie sanders gets those voters. very liberal iowa and new hampshire those things have appeal. that's what bolstering him at this point. >> dickerson: electability suggests there is a realistic mindset among democrats they're
trying to paint bernie sanders as too idealistic, too pie in the sky. >> for her voters that's working. they actually ask this, they actually see bernie sanders as idealistic. where as his voters do see him as realistic. they fall into this. but at the same time, they look at where bernie sanders is doing well. he's doing well across very broad spectrum of voters, of course young people to your point they might be first time voters. and one of the things we have to watch here as always is turn out. if his support is too concentrated in eastern iowa, this is a delegate fight, as folks watch they should note that in iowa, you're competing for delegates all across the state. and if the support is too concentrated in eastern iowa he can fall short with delegates. >> dickerson: thanks so much for being with us.
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>> it's fascinating those guys are populous conservatives. the establishment, not even establishment versus grass roots thing these for populous conservative kind of grass roots guys. they're really two heavy weights duking it out over iowa. i think if i had to pet right now i'd still go with ted cruz in iowa because of the ground game because he fits so well with the evangelical thing. but they hug each other for so long and refused to throw punches, i wonder if ted cruz might have been getter off. >> dickerson: now throwing punches at such a rate, since i started talking, they're not really working for cruz against trump. at least as far as our poll and other polls are showing. >> they're not. because he's announcing that donald trump is part of the establishment which is hard case to make when the establishment has spent most of this campaign being openly horrified by trump.
they're now marginally more supportive of trump than cruz that's, a, because ted cruz is personable and trump might be better winning over some in a general election than cruz. but it's not as if they are embracing donald trump against cruz. idea it is weird we had this last week. we're used to endorsements but there are much more anti-endorsements than i have seen. the anti-doorsment of cruz from number of republican senators. and then you also then had national review, ed, anti-endorsing donald trump. what's going on here? >> i think people panicking. i think 134 republicans saying where were you months ago. you should have done this in october or november. shouldn't be doing it eight days before the caucus, there's a point. this point it's pretty clear, two-guy race, two people that establishment republicans cannot stand they're going to have to
>> play good conservative who were calling out donald trump earlier. but i don't think that they really took him seriously enough. in fact lot of them empower them the tough radio host, rush limbaugh would really help by ignoring trump in some cases, this monster brewing now too late to stop him. >> i'm not sure it's too late to stop him. i do think it's important for us to understand, we're talking about two different republican establishments here. actually i hate to disagree about conservatives with matt but i think trump and cruz are two very different candidates. is the republican conservative establishment, encapsulated, epitomized by the national review that we saw rising up against trump as not a true conservative. and then we have the lack of better term, washington establishment, because they were all stuck at home in the snow spent a lot of the day talking to them. they are much more horrified by
would take them down a road of extreme conservatism in the party. that trump would not. would have -- trump would have some potential, a, to be elected. b, to attract more moderate voters because he is a much less mainstream movement conservative candidate than is ted cruz. >> dickerson: nancy, you know the hill well, you've covered it, bob dole and former majority leader trent lott. maybe donald trump might make some deals in washington, he might work, explain this among ted cruz and his colleagues, talk about the establishment in washington lot of the establishment figures are senators who work with ted cruz. >> what really angers them that he has made even the most conservative members of the senate look insufficiently conservative to their own voters. they feel that he has sold tea
the sense that he railed against congress saying, they're not being true to you, they could be doing this, they could be defunding obamacare if they wanted to. they could defund planned parenthood if they wanted to they're not doing it because they're afraid. conservative members say, we'd love to do that but just not legislatively possible. beyond that, beyond the fact that they think that he he essentially misled voters they feel that he did it for his own self-interest to raise money and that he put that ahead of his party. >> both i'd logical and personal. but the concern of the other conservative establishment has about trump i think is very valid and real, which is, listen to his interview with you as excellent question about his definition of conservatism. what didn't he mention? limited government. the essence of the conservative
by the way, for him to like enhim toll is ronald reagan i wanted -- wondered what ronald reagan in heaven is thinking about the guy putting up with vladimir putin. and everybody -- but some more basis than others. >> dickerson: let's talk about the other candidates not named trump and cruz. what is the state that have conversation? >> fascinating sort of subdrama going on underneath really among one senator and three governors in new hampshire. anthony's numbers are really reflect. idea now that you've got john kasich, chris christie and jeb bushy senn shelly running for fourth and viewers might think why does that matter? realistically perhaps only four people are going to be able to get out much new hampshire and make some kind of claim to continue on in this race. he was saying earlier there's real jump ball among republicans who want to find a more main line or establishment republican, some voters described it to their facesa
on. with the idea that come march maybe even into april there are races out there that those governors could do better in if the other three guys, chiefly trump, cruz, senator marco rubio don't do as well. >> dickerson: there's old cliche you can't beat something with nothing. we ha had the anti-endorsements, people are clear about who they don't like. there's nobody that they do like, that they have been able to rally around, single alternative to trump and cruz? >> absolutely. there's this weird phenomenon my book called "too dumb to fail" for a reason. it's because we have this weird situation, if you say something dumb or crazy you go up in the polls. there's this perverse incentive and moral hazard to do that, people are much more responsible optimistic conservatives in the vein of ronald reagan, somebody like marco rubio, he is -- he's on the edge, he's sort of like football team who doesn't control his own destiny.
super bowl but he needs some different things to fall. but if people coalesced around rubio maybe he might be in better position for that. >> dickerson: ruth, we're hearing some of the people he can wait until march 15 for florida and ohio voting. delegate mass does get better for some candidates within they can win those later, winner take all states that's long time after voting begins. >> i think i have few words to that which is with president guiliani about that. by which i mean, you cannot discount the significance of momentum in politics. if that's their argument, that's not the argument i'd want to be making. there is a desire among slot of this. the anti-trump vote. also there's anti-cruz vote.
republican primary electorate. inability to coalesce and anybody of these guys to elbow everybody else out of the field. that's going to happen. but, boy, waiting to catch fire, that's a tough one. >> this is thing that people need to remember. the first four, iowa, new hampshire, south carolina, nevada. we have march 15th in the distance but everything that happens in between that is causing all this broker conventions the idea that someone like cruz can still prevail you have all these states in the south where proportional contests people pick up these very slowly across the south and in texas. that is why there's so much concern still about scatter shot nature of this race, if you don't have three or four guys solidly competing eventually going down to one or two that's why you might see this really chaotic situation. >> the trump numbers in florida, webber take all. >> dickerson: we'll be back in
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>> dickerson: we're back with our panel. nancy, in october people were saying hillary clinton had gotten past her difficulties, millennium story was behind her, she had the testimony on the hill that went well, she did well in first debate now she's in trouble, what happened? >> she stuck with her strategy. from the very beginning the case she's been making is i'm experienced, i'm dependable, i'm going to continue president obama's gains. i think that democratic voters by and large believe that, but it doesn't excite them. she got challenge from the left in bernie sanders she didn't recalibrate try to capture the love of those voters. for example, she's going after him on -- perhaps that's true, but 07% of democratic voters the notion of single payer system. that doesn't win them over any more than he would if he said, you're gun control ideas are
that would turn off democratic voters. >> dickerson: we seem to be having discussion in both parties about pragmatic, person with lot of skills, been in there,
doing the hard work various different levels. the person who just speaks to your heart. >> absolutely. you have this really interesting phenomenon where some cases you have people like ted cruz and bernie sanders making the same exact anti-crony capitalist argument against things like free trade interesting phenomenon. these outsiders who are really gaining steam and momentum. i do think there's a difference, the old saw used to be that republicans fell in line, democrats fall in love. the opposite now. there's a flirtation with bernie is great in lilly white space of new hampshire and iowa. i think democrats will be much more pragmatic and eventually fall in behind hillary. the think the republicans are in the wilderness that's where the real action is. >> dickerson: political report did analysis of the states found
the most liberal -- have most liberal voters in the democratic process,
only one more liberal is vermont. the road ahead for bernie sanders should also note hillary clinton has number of superdelegates already banked. she does have a system that benefits her the longer she goes on. >> i think south carolina most reflect sieve of that. she has a huge lead among african americans in nevada, hispanic voters will make a big difference, clintons have long history with latino voters. in the video that senator was ad that senator's campaign released with the simon and gary funk emus i can resembled the motion picture association a way a little too white. problem for sappedders that he doesn't have real deep connections with minority voters who will make a huge difference in the coming states for democratic party. >> dickerson: what did you make of that ad? >> you know, i am the person who hates ads without substance.
i think that that ad tells you everything that you need to understand about the state of the race right now. because i think the clinton campaign is listening to you saying, thinking, if only. because -- if only those democrats would fall in line. i think they probably ultimately will but we are definitely in the falling in love stage of the campaign and so hillary clinton's ads up right now hits the experience, hits the day one, hits practicality argument. right now we're seeing as with a certain other campaign from eight years ago, transporting phase. swept away phase of the democratic primary campaign. >> when you talk to iowa voters, democrats, they say openly, we miss the magic. they feel like they want the first identified what superstar barack obama was they lunched him on his way. they miss that feeling. they want that feeling again.
it is bernie sanders. >> they miss that magic, but even president obama misses that magic which is to say he knows that the magic doesn't really exist in the current state of reality in washington. >> yet that doesn't seem to matter to a lot of these people. i've been through a few rallies and focus on republicans at the young voters who show up, you realize these kids were too young to have even been involved in the obama campaign in 2008. their older siblings might have been involved these guys are now getting that chance to hang out with this old uncle figure essentially who is looking out for them. wants to give them free college. this is working in these early states. you talk say realize that isn't practical. he's talking to me. like he understands me. >> it's the same thing on republican side. you have jeb bush and john kasich i'ming i'm a governor i know how to balance a budget i can get things done. but what voters attracted to at this stage of the race?
favor of conservative people don't care. >> the problem with the republicans if they go the donald trump route then they are demographically destined to huge long term failure being this party on the book. it's very dangerous for generations even if they win in the short term known as the white working class party that doesn't care about a lot of other americans. >> dickerson: ask you about this, talking about a appeal of emotionalism. michael braggberg may be -- >> more than needling. dickerson: not yet in. prejumping in. because he wants to be the guy who can get things done, does he have a chance? >> they have polled it in bloomberg world they believe, yes. but here is the bloomberg thinking as i understand it.
bloomberg-trump romance will be shorter lived than the trump-cruz romance. he is looking at the possibility of trump and/or cruz both of which are -- perhaps different reasons. and possibility standard. if hillary clinton comes out of iowa and new hampshire looking a little bit stronger than she may look right now which street to say winning iowa. that will dissuade him f. it's sanders, not. he wants to run not as take your guns, take away your sodas bloomberg but as fiscal conservative, socially liberal bloomberg. >> dickerson: have to leave it there. thanks so much, ruth, nancy, ed, matt. thank you. thank you for trucking through the snow this morning, literally trucking through the snow. we'll be back in a moment.rement squirrel from voya. we're putting away acorns. you know, to show the importance of saving for the future. so you're sort of like a spokes person? more of a spokes metaphor.
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i want to go to bat for them every single day. get incomes rising... get equal pay for women... cut the cost of health care and child care so people can actually get ahead. hillary clinton, she has what it takes to get things done. i'm hillary clinton and i approve this message. >> dickerson: as we say good buy
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