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and is the gop establishment will trump go rogue if he's not treated well. plus, ben carson threatening to leave the party, he speaks out week." and with the iowa caucuses 50 days s ay, and two days to the final gop debate of 2015, this morning on "this week," so many questions about the race, answers, insights, analysis. "this week" with george stephanopoulos begins now. and we come on the air this week to a major shakeup in the race for the white house, a brand-new poll just released by "the des moines register" shows ted cruz blowing by donald trump in the key first state of iowa. cruz now at 31%. ten points ahead of donald trump. the third outsider in this race, from his first-place showing in october, he joins us live in a but we begin with more on this stunning poll and a defining week in this campaign from jon karl at the white house. good morning, jon.
george. it's just 50 days until the iowa caucuses, and while donald trump still has a commanding lead nationally, ted cruz has the lead in the state that gets to vote first and everywhere else. is this the week the republican party came undone? >> it was pretty brutal four >> reporter: on monday, he announced his most controvereral plan yet. >> donald j. trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of muslims entering the united states until our country's representatives can figure out what the hell is going on. >> reporter: party leaders denounced the proposal as not just wrong but un-american. >> what was proposed yesterday for and, more importantly, it's not what this country stands for. >> reporter: every candidate in the race not named trump opposed
jeb bush even called trump "unhinged." >> i'm not one of these other guys that goes down. i don't go down, i go up. >> do you have a warning for gop leaders? >> i say, folks, you know, i'm sorry i did this to you. you got to get used to it. >> reporter: now the latest poll out of iowa shows that senator cruz ten points ahead of trump in the hawkeye state. cruz was caught on tape obtained by "the new york times" caught -- >> who am i comfortable having their finger on the button? now that's a question of strength but it's also a question of judgment. >> reporter: this caused trump to take a subtle swipe at cruz. >> i do like ted cruz, but not a lot of evangelicals come out of cuba. in all fairness. that's true.
threatened to leave the party after the washington post reported that gop leaders discussed whether trump can be stopped at the party's convention. >> i don't think the party should be doing anything that's deceptive and under the covers and thwarts the will of the people. >> reporter: a party in disarray, setting the stage for the last republican debate of 2015 in just two days away. trump's iowa problem has been brewing for some time, back in october, it was ben carson who was in the lead and if you remember, back then, george, trump responded by saying, how stupid are the people in iowa? the voters of the state may not be the best way to win them over. let's get more on this from ann selzer, you have polling in iowa for decades. your poll has had a strong track record. have you seen a surge like this? >> you know, we went and looked back at the last five caucus cycle, trying to see if we have seen a jump this big, we have
a candidate. >> you know, trump has actually gone up, not just as much as cruz, so cruz -- is his play nice strategy, is that paying off? what else is behind this surge? >> well, the play nice strategy may be paying off, he's also doing the groundwork with the evangelical conservative community. he got some key endorsements in the past week, and it may be he's that candidate that people look for to coalesce around. >> you got numbers behind the numbers. they really show how strong ted cruz is doing. it's something called the selzer index. >> the selzer score. and we created it because the field is so big, but just looking at the horse race didn't give enough information about potential for candidates to get stronger. than they would appear in that horse race. ted cruz's number is huge in our selzer score.
may not have hit his ceiling yet, there are more upside, more people who would be a good second choice if they're not his first. and there's a large group of people they would see him supporting that. we add that together with the index, we call that selzer score. >> what happened to ben carson? >> ben carson has just sort of rolled down a hill, it seems, he didn't have a strong debate performance, things turned to foreign policy, he's just not one of the people that people can find a strength to hold on to that makes him stronger than cruz on any of the measures that we took a look at. >> okay, an selzer, thank you for coming in this morning. fascinating poll. let's go now to dr. ben carson, he joins us now from florida. you've seen those poll numbers, what do you think went wrong? >> well, you know, poll numbers go up and down. i wasn't excited when they're up, i'm not excited when they're down.
contest and it's the reason we have it. to listen carefully, you know, not to listen to the spin but actually listen to what's being the people will make the correct choice. >> ted cruz thinks he knows what went wrong. in that tape we showed in the after trump but questioned what voters think about you. let's listen. >> who is prepared to be a commander-in-chief, who understands the threats we face? who am i comfortable having their finger on the button? that's a question of strength but it's also a question of judgment and i think that's a question that's a challenging question for both of them. >> how do you respond to that analysis from ted cruz? >> well, you know, we all have had different types of experiences. there's no question i haven't spent a lot of time asking for
i spent many a night in the operating room, cold sterile place, with a little child's life on the line. working very hard to preserve that. that's a very different kind of experience. lots of 2:00 a.m. in the morning calls. >> do you think that's the extent of ted cruz's experience, schmoozing, going to cocktail parties? >> i think he has a different experience. more of a politician's experience, and i have a healer's experience. and it's a different kind of experience. the fact of the matter is, you know, i have had a lot of experience in corporate america, i have worked with a lot of ceos and one of things that i recognize, a good ceo doesn't necessarily know everything but he gets a lot of people around him -- he has a vice president of hr, of finance, of mergers and acquisitions, et cetera, and uses them in an appropriate way.
running is an expert in every area. but do you know how to use the people around you? do you have wisdom and judgment? that is demonstrated by the life that you have led. >> you know, you have been making that point for several weeks, it doesn't seem to be working. your poll numbers continue to fall. are you going to have to try something different? >> no, i will hopefully people will determine at some point, do we want to continue down the road that we have been going
or, are we going to stop in you have know, when it coms to experience in congress, you got almost 9,000 years worth of it, i don't know if that's the correct answer at least that kind of experience. >> you know, you had some strong words for party leaders responding to that story that jon karl mentioned, to stop someone like trump or perhaps you and you then put out a statement saying, if this was a beginning of a plan to subvert the will of voters and replace it with the will of the political elite, i assure you donald trump will not be the only one leaving the party. >> one of the reasons i got into this is because i heard the frustration in people who are so tired of back room deals, of dishonesty, and you know, if that's the case, you know, i'm out of here. i have subsequently spoken to reince preibus. we told me those are routine meetings. but, you know, the jury is out. we'll be keeping a close eye on things. >> lot of reaction to donald trump's comments about barring husband lims' entry to america. marco rubio called it offensive. jeb bush said trump appeared unhinged. did you find these comments offensive?
comments i would have used. i understand the concept of, you know, not letting people in until they are well screened. i just wouldn't do on the basis of religion. but it makes absolutely perfect sense for us to start doing something now and not just let people in, you know, this whole syrian thing, you know, when i was over there, nobody wanted to come here, they wanted to be resettled in their own country, and there are adequate ways to do that and take care of them in jordan. if we needed to take them, that would be a different story. there's millions of them. that's just a band-aid to make some people feel good. >> but your campaign has some inconsistent statements on this broader issue. on monday, put out a statement, every visiting our country should register and be monitor during their stay. on tuesday, you told cnn, that idea is ridiculous. do you understand how that flip in 24 hours might give voters pause? >> it's not a flip.
what i said when i talked about monitoring. what i said is, when i go into another country, they want to know where i'm going, what address i'm going to be staying at, how long i'm going to be there, i'm not talking about following them around with the fbi. >> you just want them to lay out their itinerary? >> yeah, i mean, we should be able to find them. we should know what they're doing here. >> but won't a terrorist just lie? >> well, again, we're going to have to be a little smarter. i mean, you probably have seen some of the questions they ask in the screening. have you been a terrorist or are you planning a terrorist attack? give me a break, why don't we go to israelis and ask them how they do it. why do we have to reinvent the wheel? >> you have said that islam
constitution, what do you mean by that? >> if you accept all the premises, including sharia, which places other religions in a subservient position, which imposes things like death on homosexuals, et cetera. these things aren't consistent with the american constitution. so, if somebody believes in islam and they're willing to reject those portions openly, i don't have a problem with that. but if they're not willing to reject them, then it's not consistent with what we're doing here, and all you have to do is go back to the holy land foundation trial and look at the explanatory memorandum that was brought up there that shows the agenda of the muslim brotherhood in
>> dr. carson, thank you very much for your time this morning. coming up our powerhouse roundtable weighs in on the ted cruz's surge and why countries around the globe are voting for pop lists like trump. after that, the first-ever global deal on climate change. secretary of state john kerry is up next. "this week" with george stephanopoulos brought to you by pacific life. for life insurance, annuities and investments, choose pacific life. the power to help you succeed. and the big milestones. and just like i'm there for her, pacific life is there to help protect me and my family so i can enjoy all life's moments. pacific life. helping families for over 145 years achieve long-term financial security with lifelong retirement income. talk to a financial advisor today to grow your future
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world have been echoing trump's populist. we're not gonna take it >> that's donald trump's theme song, "we're not gonna take it." it's the essence of his antiestablishment appeal. but trump is not alone, in country after country, populist leaders are gaining ground. like in france, who's surging in polls. with nationalism. in hungary, sounding the same theme and he's building a razor-wire fence to keep syrian refugees from flowing in. but none have gone as far as trump. >> donald j. trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of muslims entering the united states. >> reporter: that extremist proposal trump unveiled this week shocked people around the
>> it's not right. it's not fair to million of people, not just me. >> reporter: the west bank -- >> the united states was built by immigrants. >> reporter: in paris -- >> i think it's really crazy. >> reporter: in dubai, they tore his name and face off a billboard at a golf course there. and david cameron called his proposal divisive, unhelpful. u.s. officials and many others worry that trump's proposal plays right into the hands of isis who will use it for recruitment. trump's muslim ban was thrown as canadian prime minister justin thoreau greeted syrian refugees. but so far being the republican's establishment nightmare, is working just fine for donald trump with republican voters. for "this week," terry moran,
let's talk about this with bill kristol, nancy gibbs and robin wright. robin, let's begin with this. i think you reported from several dozen, more than hundred countries around the world, it seems as donald trump is tapping into some very real anger around the globe. >> in the aftermath of the islamic state and then the rippling effect, whether it's paris or san bernardino of extremist acts. there's also astonishment at the kind of statements coming out of american politicians. that there would be such racism against a whole people for the acts of very small group of individuals. and ironically, it comes at a time that we need the world to act together more than ever. as reflected in paris at the climate change conference. there are these big issues in an era of globalization that the
partners, needs some sense of a common good, and yet there's more divisive today in terms of a religion, race, all forms of identity. >> and nancy, you named time's person of the year. donald trump was a finalist, he didn't get it. angela merkel of germany. donald trump didn't like that. he said, time magazine would never pick me of person of the year despite being the big favorite. they picked the person who's ruining germany. >> i would expect to approve the choice. a year from now, if he's been elected president, we'll see how he'll actually handle a crisis. merkel has faced multiple times this year fundamental threats to the future of europe, the global economy, the nigh grantmigrant crisis, and now the terrorist attacks, has to make really hard decisions and act on them. there's a big difference between people running for office and people in office.
over time. >> the question is, will donald time? no question that every one of his statements that people think have gone over the line give him strength. you believe this hurts him? >> yeah, i don't think republicans are going to nominate someone that say things that are foolish and in inflammatory inflammatory. i mean, president obama gives a speech sunday night that seems oblivious to the actual threat and the bulk of the speech is telling us that we have to be very kind to muslims both at home and abroad. then, today's "the new york times," department of homeland security didn't screen the facebook posts of the murderer in san bernardino. >> hard to believe.
incidentally, there was a debate within the department of homeland security whether it was appropriate to do so. >> and david, you have studied the evangelical community a lot, you reported on them in iowa and across the country. you think that donald trump tapped into something there, as well. >> no question about it. donald trump is around. he's got staying power. if you go around the country, he's a player and he's player we -- with evangelicals, i think, george, evangelical see the world in absolutes. donald trump sees the world in absolutes as well. there's a kinship there. a dr. phil moment, if you will. i think it's not just that, but i think he's bringing up the sensitivity topic of islam, it's a tooefr-a issue with
resonatesing. >> ted cruz who has just surged to the top in iowa and bill kristol you covered these caucuses for a long time, he does have a profile of a who have won in iowa. >> yeah, i was in iowa last cruz was having a pretty good run. you know, people have been intrigued by trump, he's saying things that they're happy to have him say. not many will stand up at a caucus. >> he actually went up a couple of points. >> 23%. 19, 21 in the last three. ted cruz is serious. ted cruz -- the irony is the washington establishment probably hates ted cruz more than donald trump. >> you know, that iowa poll also found that a majority of trump supporters don't think he has the temperament to be president. so, right now, we're still talking about protests. iowa tends to break very late and it's true that what has happened with cruz is fascinating.
number of weeks away from in iowa. >> there's been a different leader every month. the election and the vote, first vote happens early in the new year. but i think, with all these different kind of pull and tug and that the issues have changed so much in the last few months, we have gone from economic issues to national security issues, and that's one of the reasons why ben carson has plummeted -- >> they want someone who's not affiliated with the >> also, if you look at the polling, terrorism, the number one polling issue, donald trump plays to that, and he plays well in politics it's all about a narrative being crafted. donald trump came into this race with a narrative, and that is he's the $10 billion
and they believe that can translate into the terrorism realm, potentially coming through with some victories here. >> here's an important point. robin mentioned. >> he only has one-liners. he doesn't has policies. at some point he has to more serious and deliberate. >> cruz is underrated as a finalist. look, robin mentioned correctly, cruz, trump and carson, what's their total vote in the iowa poll? over 65%. bush, rubio and christie together, 19%. everyone on the establishment side -- once the establishment comes together, you know, that will establish the candidate. beats ted cruz and trump. iowa is a conservative state. if you go down the calendar, you can write a scenario -- i don't think donald trump makes it. but i think ted cruz is more serious than people think. >> he's raised more money than anyone besides jeb bush. he organized in the southern states the vote on march 1st. he wins in iowa, donald trump
you're setting up this scenario, that i think, even though that meeting that happened in washington, they talked about a brokered convention, that will have a lot of people nervous at the top ranks of the republican party. >> this is where trump is so helpful to cruz. he framed it as being a race about who can stand up to washington. cruz wears washington hostility like a badge of honor. >> how real is this talk of a brokered convention? >> i think it's relatively real, from a plausibility standpoint, marco rubio, who potentially could be in the mix here, if gop establishment folks get behind him. you have donald trump who isn't going away any time soon because he has about $10 billion or so. >> if he decides to spend it. >> plus, he has a lot of stable support behind him. and you have ted cruz who's very well organized grassrootswise. so, you can literally see this coming down to where no one has the delegates on the first
>> i think chris christie can make a run. someone who's experienced and tough. who prosecuted terrorists. if i'm christie, i say at the debate tuesday night, we have two inexperienced guys. cruz and rubio. we got an older guy who's also inexperienced and just shoots off his mouth, i'm the guy who can be a solid -- so, i think there's a little bit of a christie scenario. >> to what degree is the republican establishment out of sync with the body of politics? >> totally, 100%. the republican dinner where they plotted about the brokered convention was at a restaurant in washington, called the source, a very nice place. the main thing they discussed should they get the three-course or the five-course menu. >> the whole idea of brokered convention, you wonder if we're not going to know until the very end where we're heading.
the pea targetty, evangelicals, there's this whole idea of gop establishment and what i call the teavangelicals trying to take over the party. >> we'll see. thank you all very much. up next, two leading american muslims speak out on the threats their communities are facing. and how to combat radicals in their ranks. catch "this week" online all
facebook and twitter. the san bernardino massacre and the debate stirred up donald trump. has focused is attention and new threats on the muslim community. a mosque in california victims of arson. one of dozen of mosques targeted this year. two offices of the council of american-islamic relations had to be evacuated after suspicious powder was sent to their office. here's the executive director of cair and indiana congressman andre carson. welcome to you both. what has been the fallout in your community since san bernardino, since the comments of donald trump? >> good morning, george. as you can tell, the muslim community is extremely concerned about the violent backlash
institutions. as you have seen just a moment ago, the mosque that was firebold last friday. quite a few violent attacks have been taken against muslims. death threats where two officers were evacuated. in washington, d.c., and santa clara, because of a suspicious powder that we received with a death threat on it. luckily, everyone is safe and the matter is being investigated by the fbi. so, yes, there's a sense of anxiety and this comes, you know, in the background of the anti-muslim sentiment that has been unfortunately fueled by donald trump and his likes from his platform. >> but congressman carson, you heard marco rubio this week, in the wake of donald trump's comments, saying there's no
>> that's untrue. we live in an age where politicians are awarded for saying inflammatory remarks. you have seen poll numbers. when these politicians make these inflammatory remarks, they're rewarded with higher polling numbers. muslims are in our law enforcement community. there are judges. my father in the law was the first muslim judge. over 8 million muslims in this country making contributions to our society. and anyone who wants to be the commander in chief has to know that and accept that as reality. >> there's a real fear out there right now, what do you say to americans? polls show a majority of americans show that islam is inconsistent with american values. they have an unfavorable view of islam. what do those people need to know?
thwarted. they're thwarted because muslims are working behind the scenes. look at our jobs numbers, there are muslim businessmen and women who are starting business. they're putting americans back to work. they have to know that not only is islam a religion of peace, but muslims are here a valuable part of our community. >> what do you do about the problem of radicalization? in your community. george washington university put out a report, isis in america. it says isis mobilization in the united states has been unprecedented. as of the fall of 2015, u.s. authorities speak of some 250 americans who have traveled or attempted to travel to syria/iraq to join the islamic state and 900 active investigations against isis similar pathizers in all 50 states. the number of young men who have been arrested on isis-related charged has doubled in the last year. >> as congressman carson has
muslims in the united states. american muslims aren't the problem. also, let's look at the bigger picture, isis wants us to be afraid. isis wants to divide us. isis wants us to be afraid of one another. and unfortunately, the bigger picture is, we have 350 mass shootings in 2015 alone and we see this media and political attention given to the acts of few thugs related to isis in the united states. but not the 350 mass shootings which means, one more mass shooting per day happened in the united states, mainly happened at the hands of people who are not of the islamic faith. but unfortunately, we're giving a lot of credit to isis and to their recruited individuals who are very few in the united states.
>> i totally agree. i just saw a report where the white suepremacist group, -- this has been a called to action, the rhetoric that we're seeing, it concerns me. i think most of our largest domestic threat comes from racial supremacist group. there's a restoration movement taking place. people want to take us back to the good old days. there are elected officials who are capitalizing on this sentiment. we'll see next year the american people who are very intelligent, they'll push back on this kind of rhetoric because it's very mr. trump -- i have met mr. trump. he's smart man, which means his rhetoric is that much more much. >> thank you. when we come back, a rocky week on wall street, what's
economy in 2016? a huge drop on wall street wall street this week, this week, the dow down more than 300 points on friday. putting stock markets in the red for 2015. before the federal reserve's expected hike in interest rates this week. the first in nearly a decade. here to analyze these moves, what to expect from markets, the editor-in-chief of "the wall street journal." gerard baker and our own
rebecca jarvis. this week, rebecca, plunging oil prices had a lot to do with the >> absolutely, george. here's the problem with plunging oil prices, first what it says about the global economy, it's demanding less oil, that could mean that the global economy is getting weaker. second of all, it drags down energy companies. down 6.5% this week. energy companies, the energy sector in this country has the weakest job growth, in fact, they have had the most layoffs of any sector in this country.
companies that have a lot of debt, being able to pay that debt back going forward relies on oil prices going up. >> the what street journal this week highlighted a problem highlighted a lot in the past, junk bonds. >> they're not so highly rated. the companies are not blue chip companies. they're ones they represent a higher risk for investors. they offer a higher yield when you buy a bond. because they're a riskier proposition. they have to pay a higher rate of interest. interest rates so low, at 0%. the federal reserve has been keeping rates at zero. those junk bonds, those high-yield bonds actually look quite attractive. they have been piling into those bonds, liking what they see and the yield they get. especially into companies, as rebecca said in the energy sector, that are now starting to imbalance in the supply of energy and demand for energy. and those bonds of those companies that have been producing such a high yield are
significantly. and that represents a real risk to investors. >> and nearly everyone is expected the fed to raise rates this week. but they're still in a delicate spot. >> look, the fed hasn't raised interest rates since 2006. they have held interest rates at zero since just after the financial crisis, an unprecedented period. some parts of world rates are actually negative. you have a mortgage in europe, a bank sends you a check each week. now, the u.s. economy is growing, it's not growing very fast, but unemployment has come down. the economy is growing at a rate where it thinks it has to push interest rates back up. but it's been these low interest rates, the huge demand that the federal reserve has pushing into the economy which has been helping the economy for so long. >> so, more drops in the market this week? >> what happens when we lose the
question, george, and certainly this week, there will be volatility. last week we saw the fear index the volatility index spike since the summer. eyes will be on the federal reserve. we're heading into unchartered territory. we haven't been in this position as you say for the last decade. now we're going into this new phase, where the training wheels come off the economy and what happens next, there are still huge question marks. no one knows the answer to this question. >> you know, we have had several years now of job creation, long and slow recovery, heading into this presidential election cycle, do you think the recovery steam? >> it has been in place for 6 1/2 years. the average length of an expansion in postsecond world war war, has been over five years. this is long in the tooth this expansion by historic standards. every reason to think that the odds of a recession in the next couple of years are rising significantly.
with huge drops in commodity prices, energy prices, and with an economy that remains, that's not shown significant signs of growth, i think the risk of recession are rising significantly. >> thank you both very much for time. in this week's sunday spotlight, gloria steinem has just released her first book in 20 years, "my life on the road." she sat down with our own cokie roberts. >> reporter: gloria steinem loved and hated by millions grew up in a world modern americans wouldn't recognize. women were legally denied jobs and credit and shut out of prominent positions. but instead of accepting that word, she led a movement to change it. >> i thought i had to get married and have children. and courtesy of all the women who were speaking out about different kinds of lives i realized i was actually happy.
the some way. >> reporter: you now see people still having those kinds of arguments. i mean, does it wear you out to see what people call the mommy wars? >> it does drive me crazy. because, what about daddies? >> reporter: there are daddies. yes, and that's particularly true in the political world. a female candidate is asked, who's going to take care of the children? and the male candidate is never ever asked that question. >> yes, absolutely, and a male candidate is applauded for considering ththfamily and what's going to happen to his, you know, deciding whether to run for president. if a woman did the same thing she's often kind of disqualified by that. >> reporter: and we're seeing it right now, paul ryan saying, as a condition of taking the speakership, that he needed to spend time with his family. and everybody said, oh, isn't
as progress. >> reporter: so, though much has changed much has not. what about the biggest possible change? a woman president. steinem endorsed hillary clinton in 2008, but didn't think the country was ready for a female commander-in-chief. >> what made me feel that way was seeing grownup friends of ours, guys in the media who are things like, about hillary clinton, i cross my legs when i see her. she reminds me of my first wife standing outside alimony court. looking at a powerful woman made them feel they had been regressed to childhood. the last time they saw a power powerful woman they were 8. >> reporter: so, do you think 2016 the country is ready for a woman commander-in-chief?
>> reporter: but it's a challenge that gloria steinem is ready to take on for your candidate, as she has taken on so many others of women that come after her. i skwd if she thought women understood the choices they have. >> i wouldn't demand gratitude. >> reporter: i'd like a little. >> well, i think it's really helpful to know what happened in the past. it helps you. >> reporter: what's aheaea >> that's a great question. because, people are asking me these days, what are you most proud of? things like that. i haven't done it yet. i live in the future. >> reporter: right. >> thanks to cokie f f that. that's all for us today. thank you for sharing part of your sunday with us. we'll be live from new hampshire next week. check out "world news tonight."
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