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02/02/16 02/02/16 [captioning made possible by democracy now!] amy: from pacifica, this is democracy now! >> as i stand here tonight breathing a big cyber leaf, thank you, iowa. >> tonight, while the results are still not known, it looks like we're in a virtual tie. iowa has begun tonight is a political revolution. amy: bernie sanders declares a virtual tie with hillary clinton in the iowa caucuses. sanders was once 40 points behind clinton in the polls, but it now looks like they'll split iowa's delegate votes for the democratic nomination.
on the republican side, an upset victory for texas senator ted cruz over frontrunner donald trump. >> tonight is a victory for the grassroots. tonight is a victory for courageous conservatives across iowa and all across this great nation. love you, we thank you, you are special. we will be back many, many times. in fact, i think i might come here and buy a farm. amy: donald trump had led the iowa polls for months, but a strong turnout of evangelicals helped give cruz the win. now the presidential primary turns to new hampshire. we'll talk iowa and what's next with john nichols of the nation and long-time hillary clinton supporter ellen chesler. then, the road to the white house might begin in iowa, but is that road already bought and
sold to big donors? we'll look at the intersection of money and politics in the 2016 campaign with lee fang of the intercept. he recently asked hillary clinton if she'll release the transcripts of her lucrative speaking engagements for goldman sachs. her response? laughter. youecretary clinton, will release the pages of your transcript of goldman sachs? [laughter] all that and more coming up. welcome to democracy now!, democracynow.org, the war and peace report. i'm amy goodman. the iowa caucuses on upset victory for republican senator ted cruz over frontrunner donald trump while the virtual tie between hillary clinton and rival bernie sanders. the latest returns show clinton leading sanders by less than half a percentage point, a result that would split iowa delegate votes for the democratic nomination.
addressing supporters, sanders said iowa has begun a political revolution. >> i think the people of iowa have sent a very profound message to the political establishment, to the economic establishment, and, by the way, to the media establishment. for walls that be street with her in the supply of money, corporate america, the large campaign donors, are so powerful that no president can do what has to be done. and that is why what iowa has begun tonight is a political revolution. amy: sanders was able to catch up with glenn and i went despite polls once showing him 40 points behind. there were number of coin tosses when there were unequal delegates to divide between
clinton and bernie sanders, and in each one clinton one. if sanders had one is going tosses, he would have won. on the republican side, ted cruz upset donald trump with the help of a strong evangelical turnout. he called his with a victory for the grassroots. >> tonight is a victory for the grassroots. tonight is a victory for courageous conservatives across iowa and all across this great nation. tonight the state of iowa has spoken. amy: marco rubio came in a close third after trump am a bit ted cruz won. we will have more on iowa after headlines. the world health organization has declared the zika virus an international public health emergency. while the virus itself is usually not life-threatening, it
appears to be linked to microcephaly, which causes babies to be born with abnormally small heads. it also causes a host of other health problems, including seizures, developmental delays, hearing loss and vision problems. the world health organization says the virus is "spreading explosively" and that up to 4 million people in the americas could be infected with zika by the end of this year. who director-general dr. margaret chan spoke out at a news conference in geneva . that theow declaring recent cluster of microcephaly and other neurological abnormalities reported in latin inrica, french polynesia 2014, constitutes a public health emergency of international concern. amy: scientists have linked rising temperatures from global warming to the increased incidence of mosquito-borne
infections such as zika. a saudi military spokesman has acknowledged saudi arabia bombed a doctors without borders hospital in yemen in october. saudi arabia had previously denied the october 27 airstrike, which injured one person and completely destroyed the small hospital in saada province, leaving an estimated 200,000 people without access to a medical facility. the u.s.-backed saudi-led coalition has been accused of carrying out multiple attacks on health facilities in yemen in recent months. in january, an airstrike destroyed another hospital supported by doctors without borders, killing at least 6 patients and staff. doctors without borders executive director jason cone has accused saudi arabia of waging the ongoing war in yemen with "utter disregard for international humanitarian law." in afghanistan, a taliban suicide attack near a police complex in kabul has killed at least 20 police officers and wounded dozens more. it's the latest in a growing string of taliban attacks in the capital. this comes as u.s. military
officials confirm afghan soldier and police casualties were up by nearly a third in 2015. u.s. military officials are increasing pressure on the obama administration to change its rules to give u.s. forces a larger role in military operations in afghanistan. in guatemala, two former military officers are on trial for crimes of sexual and domestic slavery and forced disappearance perpetrated against indigenous mayan women in 1982 during the u.s.-backed dirty wars. a 1999 u.n.-backed truth commission report found that the guatemalan military systematically used rape as a weapon of terror during the decades-long war, but this is the first time any individual officers have faced trial related to these crimes. the trial, which opened monday, comes after decades of organizing by the defendants, who say that they were forced into sexual slavery for months in the small village of sepur zarco in eastern guatemala. they say they were required to report for 12-hour shifts, during which soldiers forced
them to clean, cook and submit , to routine gang rapes. the defendants are now in their 70's and 80's. ada valenzuela, of the collective breaking the impunity called the trial an historic step. cook it marks the first, not only in the history of guatemala, but also in the world because it is the first time a national tribunal has tried a case of sexual violence. sexual slavery and domestic slavery as crimes of war, which were committed during the armed civil conflict in guatemala. amy: international academics are raising concern about the crackdown against their turkish colleagues who have signed a petition denouncing the turkish military's violent crackdown on kurdish communities. the petition entitled, "we will not be a party to this crime," has been signed by more than 2000 professors, including noam chomsky, judith butler, and david harvey. in response, turkish president erdogan has verbally attacked the professors. turkish security forces have arrested more than two dozen
professors on charges of spreading terrorism propaganda. in new york city, dozens of academics held a news conference to call attention to the crackdown. colombia university professor marianne hirsch spoke out. >> that was signed by over 2000 people, we will not be a party to this crime, merely asked the government to observe national and international law and to initiate a pce process with the populations of southeast anatolia and its kurdish dominated region that they haven't targeting -- have been targeting with major acts of persecution. almost immediately, the signatories of this petition were targeted by the turkish government, and they were accused, as we've been hearing, of terrorist propaganda investigated by their universities and otherwise harassed. amy: this comes as a top u.n. human rights official is urging turkey to investigate a report
that the army opened fire on unarmed civilians in the majority kurdish town of cizre. the shooting was captured on film by turkish journalist refik tekin. the video appears to show security forces shooting at a group of unarmed people, some of whom are carrying white flags. at least two people were said to be killed. the journalist is now facing arrest on charges of belonging to a terrorist organization. a united nations working group says the united states should consider reparations to african americans whose ancestors were enslaved as part of trans-atlantic slave trade. the u.n. working group of experts on people of african descent released its recommendations after spending a week meeting with african americans across the united states, including in baltimore, chicago, new york city, d.c., and jackson, mississippi. the fact-finding mission's chair, mireille fanon-mendes france, said --
"the legacy of enslavement, racial subordination and segregation, racial terrorism and racial inequality in the u.s. remains a serious challenge as there has been no real commitment to reparations and to truth and reconciliation for people of african descent." in news from africa, a new report warns of continued violence and economic decline in south sudan, which has been gripped by bouts of civil war since 2013. the report cites at least five violations of the cease-fire, which took effect more than a year ago. since 2013, thousands have died in the conflict, and famine is widespread. south sudan is the world's newest country. it gained independence from sudan in 2011. in india, the supreme court has begun hearings in a case that could strike down a colonial-era law that criminalizes sex between gay, lesbian, and transgender adults. the law, known as section 377, was ruled unconstitutional in
2009, but it was reinstated in 2013. hundreds of people report being arrested under the law. activists also say that there has been a surge of attacks against gay, lesbian and , transgender people since the law was reinstated. the department of human services has announced it will revoke the license of the berks family detention center in pennsylvania. this comes after a lengthy campaign by a coalition of grassroots organizations to shut down the controversial family detention center, which has housed thousands of parents and children seeking u.s. asylum. berks is one of only three family detention centers in the united states. to see our recent report on the berks family detention center from democracy now! criminal justice correspondent renee feltz, go to democracynow.org. in burns, oregon, as many as 500 people faced off yesterday in competing protests over the ongoing armed occupation of the federal wildlife reserve. on january 2, a right-wing
anti-government militia took over the wildlife refuge in support of two ranchers sentenced to prison for setting fires that burned federal land. the ranchers later turned themselves in to authorities, but militia members continued their occupation despite the protest of local residents. on monday, both residents opposed to the occupation and some of their supporters rallied in front of the harney county courthouse during a tense stand off that lasted more than two hours. there are reportedly only four remaining militia members continuing the armed occupation. in kansas, a u.s. military veteran is fighting to regain custody of five of his children after kansas took them into child custody last year over the man's use of medical marijuana. raymond schwab says he treats his ptsd and chronic pain with homemade cannabis butter. last april, he and his wife were preparing to move to colorado, remailer on a -- were marijuana use is legal. but before they could finish the move, the schwabs say the state
of kansas took their five youngest children into state custody, on suspicion of child endangerment. even though the state later found these allegations to be unsubstantiated, schwab says kansas is requiring him to provide four months of drug-free urine tests to get his kids back. israel is going open its doors to refugees. those headlines, at least according to a fake version of "the new york times," being distributed across new york city today. the print copy of the revered paper also says democratic presidential candidate "alerted clinton" plans to quit the presidential race and head up a woman's nonprofit based in rome a lot on the west bank. the addition even has fake ads. it is not yet clear who was behind the prank. the group the yes men pulled off a similar prank in 2008. and civil rights lawyer myron beldock has died. throughout the course of his
legal career, beldock championed the cases of those who had been discriminated against by the justice system. he is best known for defending yusef salaam, one of the five teenagers falsely convicted in the 1989 central park jogger case. he also defended former boxer rubin "hurricane" carter, who served 19 years in prison for three murders in new jersey, before beldock helped win his freedom. beldock died monday in manhattan at the age of 86. and those are some of the headlines. this is democracy now!, democracynow.org, the war and peace report. i'm amy goodman. the iowa caucuses saw an upset victory for republican senator ted cruz over frontrunner donald trump while a virtual tie between hillary clinton and rival bernie sanders. the latest returns show clinton leading sanders by less half a percentage point, a result that would split iowa's delegate votes for the democratic nomination. sanders was able to catch up with clinton in iowa despite
polls showing him at least 40 points behind. 4-in-10 caucus-goers were voting for the first-time, a segment that overwhelmingly favored sanders. more than one in our democratic -- one in four democratic voters listed income inequality as the election's top issue. some sites decided their winter with a coin toss. in all, six situation's clinton won. waiting late into the night, the republican contest was decided earlier. texas senator ted cruz upset national frontrunner donald trump despite trump's dominance in the polls for months. florida senator marco rubio came in just behind trump. cruz won in a race that saw a record republican turnout for iowa and a strong showing of evangelical voters. cruz also took iowa despite opposing ethanol subsidies favorable to local corn-growers, a stance that led iowa republican governor terry
branstad to openly oppose him. on the democratic side, maryland governor martin o'malley announced he will suspend his campaign after attracting just 0.6% of the iowa vote. o'malley has floated a presidential run since 2013, but failed to gain traction with democratic voters. for republicans, former arkansas governor mike huckabee also announced he's suspending his campaign. we begin today's show with highlights from iowa. vermont senator bernie sanders finished the night in a virtual tie with hillary clinton, but sounded like a winner in his speech to supporters last night. >> months ago, we came to this beautiful state. we had no political organization , we had no money, we had no name recognition, and we were taking on the most powerful, political organization in the
united states of america. [applause] resultsonight while the are still not known, it looks like we are in a virtual tie. [applause] and the reason that we have done so well here in iowa, the reason i believe we are going to do so well in new hampshire and the other states that follow, the reason is the american people are saying no to a rigged economy. [applause] longer want to see an
economy in which the average american works longer hours for lower wages, while almost all new income and wealth is going to the top 1%. [applause] what the american people understand is this country was based and is based on fairness. fairness. it is not fair when the top .1% today owns honest as much wealth as the bottom 90%. not fair when the 20 wealthiest people in this country own more wealth than the bottom half of america. so are you guys ready for radical idea?
[applause] is america. and that radical idea is, we are going to create an economy that works for working families, not just the billionaire class. amy: with a margin too close to call in the democratic iowa caucus, hillary clinton stopped short of claiming victory in her speech monday night, though her campaign has issued a statement declaring she has won. >> to the family and friends across the state, i'm deeply grateful. >> we love you! >> i love you. here's what i want you to know. it is rare that we have the opportunity we do now to have a real contest of ideas, to really think hard about what the democratic party stands for and
what we want the future of our country to look like if we do our part to build it. get a progressive, to things done for people. [applause] stand in theed to long line of american reformers who make up our minds that the status quo is not good enough, that standing still is not an option, and that brings people together to find ways forward that will improve the lives of americans. i look back over the years of my involvement from the very first job i had at the children's defense fund, and i know -- [applause] we're capable of doing. i know we can create more good paying jobs and raise incomes for hard-working americans again.
i know that we can finish the job of universal health care coverage for every man, woman, and child. [applause] >> i know -- i know we can come climate change and be to clean energy superpower of the 21st century. i know we can make our education system work for everyone of our children, especially those who come with disadvantages. collegee can make affordable and get student debt off the backs of young people. [applause] and i know we can protect our rights, women's rights, gay rights, voting rights, immigrant rights, workers rights. up to, too, we can stand
the gun lobby and get commonsense gun safety measures. [applause] >> and how do we do that? we do that by securing the nomination, and then we do it by winning and going into that white house as others before have, determined to push forward on the great goals and values that unite us as americans. amy: in the republican race, senator ted cruz pulled off an upset in the iowa republican caucus, beating front-runner donald trump with 28% of the vote to trump's 24%. cruz called it a victory for conservatives. >> tonight is a victory for the grassroots. tonight is a victory for courageous conservatives across iowa and all across this great nation.
tonight, the state of iowa has spoken. has sent notice that the republican nominee in the next president of the united states will not be chosen by the media. [applause] chosen by the washington establishment. will not be chosen by the lobbyists. chosen by the most incredible powerful force where all sovereignty resides in our we, the people, the
american people. the last seven years of having a president, having an attorney general that demonizes you, that vilifies you, that sides with the criminals and looters instead of the brave men and women of law enforcement, that will end on january 20, 2017. ,o tonight, the state of iowa the democrats here seem to be in a virtual tie. admits one candidate who he's a socialist -- admits he's a socialist, and the other candidate who pertains she is not. i wish them both luck. but i will tell you this, as margaret thatcher observed the problem with socialism is eventually you run out of other peoples money. force in washington
that can stand against the american people, that can stand against the grassroots, that can land against our unity. we're going to do this together. .s a movement from the people take tonight, iowa has made clear to america and to the world, morning is coming. morning is coming. amy: donald trump, who went into the iowa caucus leading in the republican polls, attempted to downplay his second-place finish. >> i was told by everybody, do not go to iowa, you could never finish even in the top 10. and i said, but i have friends in iowa. i know a lot of people in iowa, i think that will like me. let's give it a shot. they said, don't do it. i said, i have to do it. and we finished second. and i want to tell you something, i'm just honored.
i'm really honored. and i want to congratulate ted and congratulate all of the incredible candidates, including mike huckabee, who has become a really good friend of mine. so congratulations to everybody. congratulations. we are leaving tonight. and tomorrow afternoon, we will be in new hampshire. and that will be something special. it is going to be a great weekend. i think we're going to be proclaiming victory -- i hope. i will say this, i don't know who is going to win between bernie and hillary, i don't know what is going to happen with hillary who has other problems, maybe bigger than the problems she's got in terms of nomination. we will go on to get the republican nomination and we will go on to easily beat hillary or bernie or whoever the hell they throw up there. iowa, we love you. we thank you. you're special. we will be back many, many
times. in fact, i think i might come here and buy a farm. i love it. thank you. thank you, everybody. thank you. thank you very much. amy: that was donald trump. mike huckabee has suspended his campaign post up florida senator marco rubio came in third in the republican iowa caucus with 23% of the vote, behind ted cruz and donald trump. the result was well ahead of expectations, giving rubio a boost going into new hampshire. >> the people of this great state sent a very clear message. after seven years of barack obama, we are not waiting any longer to take our country back. [applause] this is not a time for waiting. we are going to grow the conservative movement. we're going to take our message to the people who are struggling paycheck to paycheck, to the students living under the burden of student loans, to the families struggling to raise
their children with the right values. we will take our message to them, and we will bring them to our side. when i am the nominee, we will unite our party, grow our party, and we will defeat hillary clinton or bernie sanders or whoever they nominate. amy: marco rubio, a close third in the iowa caucus as the candidates move on to new hampshire. when we come back, a discussion about what to laced in iowa, and then the money behind the candidates. stay with us. ♪ [music break]
amy: "the roof is on fire." this is democracy now!, democracynow.org, the war and peace report. i'm amy goodman. with iowa out of the way, the presidential contest now shifts to new hampshire, which holds its primary a week from today. after new hampshire comes contests in nevada and south carolina, followed by the super
tuesday primaries on march 1. despite a turnout of only a few hundred thousands voters and being one of the whitest states in the country, iowa plays an outsize role as the first contest in a lengthy campaign that now begins two years before the eventual winner's inauguration. although bernie sanders was able to tie clinton and iowa and laser in the new hampshire polls, he will face a tougher challenge as the contest moves to the southern states. clinton are has a big and manage away from the voting booth. the support of several hundred superdelegates who vote based on their own preferences, and other party state results. to discuss the iowa results and look ahead to what's next, we are joined by two guests. here in new york city, ellen chesler is a long-time supporter of hillary clinton. she's a senior fellow at the roosevelt institute. and in des moines, iowa, john nichols is a political writer for the nation, which has endorsed bernie sanders. an updated version of his book, "the s word: a short history of an american tradition. socialism," was just published. his other books including,
"dollarocracy: how the money and media election complex is destroying america." we welcome you both. john, you are in iowa right now. describe what took place on both sides of the aisle. >> well, i don't know if you have a couple of hours, but a lot took place. it was really quite remarkable night. the important thing to begin with is the kind of disarray of the republican race. it is fascinating what happened. as a monday morning, virtually everyone was talking about the likelihood of a donald trump win. now we end up with not only donald trump not winning, but him -- trump almost falling into third place. the cruz win's a big deal. it has established him as the conservative, for the lack of a better term. the guy will go hard to the
right and likely attract the support of not just mike huckabee and recs am forum, but ultimately, depending on how this race goes for, someone like ben carson. but the interesting thing about what happened on the republican side is that you did not get rid of all of these sort of mid to get candidates. if the results hold, and there do,till some sorting out to but if it holds as expected, ted cruz will win delegates, donald trump will win delegates, marcorubio -- he ran far better than expected -- will win delegates, ben carson will win delegates, and rand paul and jeb bush will win at least one delegate each. i mean, it is a very, very ripped up field. i think a lot of people are going to go into new hampshire, and i think a nasty, nasty race. and it was ugly, very expensive and negative ads will go on in new hampshire and perhaps a good deal beyond. on the democratic side, you had
something that was very different. a smaller field to begin with, and of pretty clear race between hillary clinton and bernie sanders. martin o'malley really running a noble effort, working hard, but never quite getting traction. .e has dropped out as you got to the final result, i can tell you i was increasing's last night. it was a remarkable thing to watch. you had traffic jams, lines pouring out of those precincts, and people of every background showing up. i was in des moines, the most diverse city in iowa, or least one of the most diverse, and so i did cereal mix of people. i went to a precinct in an african-american neighborhood and i saw immigrants, longtime residents, as well as students from nearby college. there were long lines, but people really were getting along with each other. i thought hillary clinton people
were helping bernie sanders people fill out registration forms. the caucuses themselves were long and functional was that the result, however, was wild. of i was in the headquarters these candidates last night and it was a fascinating thing to watch because you just don't have this very often in politics where, you know, as the night goes on, you have a clear front runner -- and hillary clinton was the their front-runner early in the evening. holdead look like it would as to what the polls had suggested. but as the night went on, he got closer and closer until you ended up with his razor thin result, which might go a tiny bit hillary clinton, but i think i would suggest the des moines register headline "dead heat, is a pretty fair one. what is significant about that, how it works, and this will be the last the report i will give you at least on the caucuses themselves, is the caucuses are complex. you can vote every vote of
things are uncertain. you can reshuffle who is in them. some of these caucuses that were literally packed with people, especially new people, a lot of students, a lot of low income folks come a working-class folks , surprising number -- at least in some of these places -- immigrants, who were participating for the first time, 17 year old, 18-year-old from high schools participating because they will be old enough to vote in iowa so they're allowed to participate, just time to make this all work. you can doubt it is very close result. one of the reasons why sanders closed the margin at the end, white got closer and closer to the night is that it was the precincts that had is incredibly boosted turnout of new voters that took the longest to count, because you often had about -- a lot of forms to fill out the details to go through. at the end of the night, you ended up with a situation where, fairly i think, both hillary clinton and bernie sanders
quitclaim a victory -- at least a victory of sorts. it is important to note hillary clinton is the first woman to win the iowa caucuses. this is a major breakthrough for his state that has not seen women get elected to some higher offices, even to this point. and then also, it is important to note that on the republican side, you had children of immigrants. ted cruz and marcorubio running first and third analyst knocking thethe billionaire in second place. pretty interesti t board. amy: there are a lot of interesting numbers. i think the republican figures are 182,000 republican caucusgoers turned out. breaking the record of 122,000 in 2012. i my calculation, that is 50% more people came out and voted in the republican, and those votes are counted individually. we watched them counting the
paper ballots. the democrats are different. they don't count paper ballots. they caucus. they choose delegates. when you talk about this being extremely close, a virtual tie, can you explain, john, in six of these caucuses, they actually flipped a coin? and in every one of those, hillary clinton won? i mean, luck be a lady tonight. >> in fairness, the caucuses i've seen, and i've been a caucuses going back for a quarter century, what happens is, you let one campaign call in right, and they call and these different caucuses, some places the clinton person called it is a places the sanders person called it. if they get it, they get it. the problem of doing it any other way, amy, is that they don't do that right away. when you get to the coin toss, you have allowed the campaigns to make their pitches, to talk
to one another. this is not like voting or some secret process in the classic sense. roomigners walk across the -- if you're hitler clinton backer, you can address sanders back and say, don't you want to come over and be with us? they all go to the o'malley backers and try to get them to come across. they then count who they have got. maybe the clinton people have 41, the sanders people have 41, they say, does anybody want to change? they'll out for more debate. that is why some of these caucuses to a couple of hours. at the end of the day if they cannot get people to break from their commitments, they flip a coin. it is an imperfect system but frankly, people generally walk away accepting it. the one final element i will throw into this, amy, is that in these caucuses, these people really do know one another. they are friends and neighbors will step interestingly enough, by a large, their people who work together on campaigns in the fall.
the outside, a lot of people might expect a great deal of bitterness and sometimes there can be that, but when i've been on the ground in these caucuses, and certainly last night, i saw people arguing issues passionately, arguing electability passionately, but ng thelly, accepti results. i want to bring in ellen chesler to this discussion. you been a longtime hillary clinton supporter, just had a party for her, have had parties for her at your house supporting her, fundraisers. this razor close hassh, the campaign declared victory but, clearly, this is a virtual tie, and what it means. >> i think it means that hillary clinton did quite well in iowa, a state in a process that wards insurgency. shehad a situation where
came in as the front runner, the "establishment candidate," although, let's remember that bernie sanders has an and government for 25 years, as long as she has come and that kind of makes them part of the establishment, too, as he defines it. he clearly was the unknown. he doesn't have the kind of record. she is the international figure of renowned. the one who is been attacked for 25 years, too, let's remember that. this is a woman who is been the subject of the attack machine on the right. and to some extent, from the left. for a quarter of a century. she more than held her own. she held her own, and up with an emphasis on much of what john , in a situation where the real divide -- and this is what is fascinating to me. i am hillary clinton's age, so i been around a long time. the real divide is a generational divide. he did well because he brought in a whole lot of new voters. thee schools group for
171,000 caucusgoers on the democratic. you don't know exactly the number is true, but in that ballpark. he brought in a lot of new 25, andnder the age of that is a great thing for our democracy and somebody who is at the and my political career started when i was that age myself in the 1960's, i really see the value of that and i know the clinton campaign does as well. they voted, you know, 91. similarly, for bernie, and similarly people of my age and ton 45 to 65, voted eight one for her. that divide was even greater than the gender divide or the class divide or whether there -- whatever other divide. that is an interesting and cautionary tell, selling for the clinton campaign, that needs to move forward now and try to win over some of those supporters. i think the positive tone of the campaign is really all about that, all about not antagonizing anybody.
after all, we're choosing between two progressive candidates, one may be more progressive and more clearly defined between the hasn't have not, between the wall street and main street, but if you actually look at her platform as a nation itself said in the cover story which i was quoted a couple months ago, this was the most progressive platform a democrat has run since lyndon johnson. amy: in fact, hillary clinton called her progressive was that when she spoke. john nichols, do you think bernie sanders has had a major effect on hillary clinton's platform? >> they're simple enough question about it. and that is why you have primaries. simply nos no question about it. and that is why have primaries. one thing i would bring up,
there was a generational divide. and it is clear these young folks were coming to vote for bernie sanders. i warned a lot of the national pundits that they weren't coming necessarily to vote against hillary clinton. sanders made a remarkable connection with folks in iowa. it was rooted in a tremendous level of actual campaigning, something like 150 stops across the state. part of that connection is interesting, which i don't think we begin to cover well at the national level. you get pretty down to the grassroots to hear this. when i talked to these are folks who are coming and also to just a lot of the folks backing sanders, they were backing him not merely because of what has happen, it wasn't merely because of the economic downturn or the history of recent years that many of the economic concerns we know about, there
was also a great deal of concern about the future. again, this went up -- about many of the young folks. it was a concern in an age of automation and a radical transformation of our work forces and work like that it is going to be pretty hard to have a future that will be as defined are maybe even as prosperous as their prayers or grandparents. so what i heard from an awful lot of folks was that they presidency,ne in a in a position of power, they wanted someone at least in the lead of our politics who was going to watch out for them, who was going to make sure the decisions made in those moments would be on behalf of the new workingt, of the person a $10 an hour job as a single mom, of a whole bunch of folks who have been really badly harmed by our economic system. and what i heard was sanders sitting that early on, really connecting. but i also heard hillary clinton
taking in a lot of these messages -- remember, she has worked on some of the stuff for decades. but also beginning to hear and connect with a lot of this as well. hasink that the iowa race had a real impact on hillary clinton. i think her final speeches in iowa were very populist, every economically focused. my sense is that she did well, not merely because of her past, but because she, too, was listening and connecting and hearing. and as this race goes on, i would love it if one of these additional democratic debate -- and there will be additional democratic debates -- i would love it if one of them was just about the future, not about the past. i can tell you in iowa, that is what a lot of these, especially the young voters, were voting on. >> john and i are in agreement of a lot of things. addition to the generational divide, if you look at analysis weremorning, those who
more practically focused, policy wonkish are clint supporters. and young people who are idealists and one of very sort of starry eyed definition of the future, tended toward sanders. i think what is going to happen now is a much more deeper dive into how sanders believes he can realize his promises for the future. and that is going to play to hillary's advantage, because she is the one who is been there working things out -- amy: that is what she is saying. she sang, it looks nice on paper, but how do you achieve it? john nichols, this question of her being a progressive, was on the board ofwar in iraq. most recently going after bernie sanders saying he would take down obama care when bernie sanders was saying he wanted single-payer. last night she started talking about universal health care.
i think he is having an effect there. talk about that label "progressive comes up and what exactly it means. >> again, how many hours do you have? the label "progressive" has been pulled in a lot of ways. i am from rural wisconsin and my understanding as i grew up was to the left of liberal. it was a point of view that really did emphasize a lot of economic justice, tended to be very antiwar, skeptical of wars, frankly, i think that is the place where bernie sanders would put himself -- at least, historically. a little bit of a new deal fdr -- amy: again, john -- >> that is a great old question. i am not going to begin to suggest to you that i know exactly where this campaign will go, but i would caution on suggesting that bernie sanders
will necessarily present himself as starry eyed. is right.len in these next weeks, bernie sanders is going to have to lay out specifics. he is going to talk about budget issues and he is going to talk about agenda and ideas, but at the core of what he's talking about -- and we talked about this in the nation editorials -- this concept that, you know, you really do have to change our politics a lot. it is not just changing our governing, it is getting a very different politics that brings a lot of new people don't go. i think that has been sanders' point. i think alert clinton is also recognizing that. my sense is that this campaign has already changed a great deal . i think it has moved immensely from where it began and my sense is that the debates that come, which will be one-on-one debate because you have lost martin o'malley -- which is too bad, because he was a very wise contributor. in these debates that come, i think we'll go deep into the
economic issues and focus a good deal on foreign policy. but as they do, i don't think it is going to be starry eyed know,sm versus the me hard veteran experience. to peopleu'll see different views. the moderators in these debates and those who cover it will encourage them to explore those differences not with bitterness or anger, but with a really deep debate about where the democratic party ought to go -- amy: we're going to go to break and bring lee fang into this conversation. we're talking to john nichols political writer for the nation, which has endorsed bernie sanders. ellen chesler is a senior fellow at the roosevelt institute and a long-time supporter of hillary clinton. stay with us. ♪ [music break]
finance, that road may already have been sold to big donors. spending by so-called dark money groups -- political super pacs and other organizations who can hide their funders -- is already far ahead of previous election cycles, with estimates it could reach up to half a billion dollars. dark money groups have already spent more than $200 million on political ads alone since 2015. just this weekend, the billionaire koch brothers held a retreat for their wealthy allies in palm springs to discuss political spending and strategy. the kochs' political network plans to spend nearly $900 million in 2016, about as much as democrats and republicans will spend on their presidential nominees. but they are not a party. we're joined by reporter who has been following the money trail from the politicians at the podiums to money in the shadows. lee fang is an investigative journalist at the intercept covering the intersection of money and politics. he is joining us from san francisco. still with us, john nichols and
ellen chesler. lee, talk about how money played a part in the iowa caucus. >> well, amy, it played a big role. we have seen television, radio, direct mail -- absolutely flooding the state trying to convince voters to support certain candidates. the last two weeks, we saw establishment republican efforts don'tk donald trump we know the donors, but we know it is being led by number of consultants formally associated with mitt romney doing negative as against donald trump in look like it had great effect, bringing donald trump in the number one spot for months to losing to ted cruz. but i think one of the bigger stories of the election last night is that in spite of all the big money, the negative ads,
you saw candidates who actually kind of flipped the table on the money and campaigned against it doing very well. bernie sanders was down by some 41% only four months ago, and as you mentioned earlier, fought this down to a draw or even though it looks like he was being outspent by the hillary clinton campaign. he took time in his speech last night to really focus on the role of big money, of calling out lobbyists, calling out the establishment and even on the republican side, ted cruz winning the election last night and hitting a lot of the same themes as bernie sanders in his victory speech. calling out the astonishment republicans, calling out lobbyists and saying his campaign was being charged by small donors. i will note that is not true. ted cruz actually relied on big-money donors, people giving or $11 as $10 million
million to a super pac. but i think it really speaks to the atmosphere, the political dynamics in iowa today that ted cruz took time to really claim that his campaign, like bernie sanders, was being fueled by small donors. amy: lee fang, last month you attended to speak to other clinton. you asked her she would release the transcripts of her paid speeches to goldman sachs. she laughed and turned away. let's go to that clip. >> secretary clinton, will you release the transfer of your paid speeches to goldman sachs? no? there's a lot of controversy over the speeches. secretary -- is that a no? , we releasednton the transfers of your goldman sachs speeches? amy: lee fang, explain what happened and why you're raising this issue of what she was paid
to make a speech or speeches at goldman sachs. since 2001, bill and hillary clinton have earned over $115 million on the speaker circuit of going out to private corporations, special interest groups, and charging as much as $200,000 to $300,000 per speech. this is unprecedented in american history that you have a leading candidate of a major been lobbyinge and will be loving them if they do in the white house. there's been a lot of talk about what these speeches actually entailed. the clinton has defended herself saying she is basically giving a boilerplate speech, she wants to have more education and more conversations, and this is healthy for our democracy. on the other hand, there have been reports that when hillary clinton has gone to some special interest groups, for example,
she gave three speeches to goldman sachs, making over $600,000 from that one investment bank, that she give a very specially tailored message saying she is against all of this anti-bank populism according to politico, she reassured the bankers she would not be taking the line of elizabeth warren or of obama, really criticizing the big banks. and so this is a big issue. amy: i want to get ellen chesler to respond. >> i was at one of those speeches and it was about foreign policy. for the speaking want to support the clinton foundation. this raises a big question of my view. i think america needs to do better than the x presidents. president obama is going to be in the same situation, where in order to support -- unless there individually wealthy themselves, which is rare, in order to support their lives after being in office, and his office is no
longer of value to fade away to the supreme court or -- amy: these of the money goes to the foundation. >> almost all of it. i don't know exactly the numbers, because i'm not inside -- amy: lee fang what about -- >> well -- amy: let me ask because we only have 30 seconds, your response? >> some of the money is going to the foundation, but the mass majority has personally enrich them. they have released their ethic disclosures and it is clear the clintons have made a lot of money, tens of lines of dollars earning over $115 million from the speaker circuit over the last 16 years. >> and then given it to the foundation. amy: we have to leave it there but we will continue to explore this. lee fang with the intercept, ellen chesler and john nichols. we will be covering new hampshire. [captioning made possible by democracy now!]
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