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06/30/17 06/30/17 [captioning made possible by democracy now!] amy: from pacifica, this is democracy now! pres. trump: health care is working along very well. we could have a big surprise with a great health care package. amy: as the deeply unpopular health care plan fails to come to a vote before the senate recessed for the holidays early yesterday, demonstrators flood the offices of republicans in what they're calling a last stand to prevent a repeal of the affordable care act. we'll speak with disability rights attorney and activist stephanie woodward, who was ripped from her wheelchair and arrested for protesting outside
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senator majority leader mitch mcconnell's office. the video went viral. [chanting] amy: and we'll look at how support for a nationwide single-payer healthcare system is growing. at least one poll shows a full third of americans are now in favor of medicare for all and 60% believe the federal government should be responsible for health care. we'll go to california, where the state senate passed a single payer bill but the house speaker killed it in the assembly. we will get the latest from michael lighty with national nurses united. then part 2 of our conversation with best-selling author and journalist naomi klein on her new book, "no is not enough: resisting trump's shock politics
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and winning the world we need." >> the reason why i wrote this book very quickly, for me, usually takes me five years to write a book. i did this in less than five months. i really wanted it to come out before any kind of major crisis hits the united states. amy: all that and more, coming up. welcome to democracy now!,, the war and peace report. i'm amy goodman. president trump urged the republican congress today to repeal the affordable care act, even as senators began leaving washington, d.c., for the fourth of july recess with no plans in sight to vote on a replacement healthcare bill. in a tweet early this morning, trump wrote -- "if republican senators are unable to pass what they are working on now, they should immediately repeal, and then replace at a later date!" senate majority leader mitch mcconnell called off a planned vote on a senate healthcare bill after some members of his party
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balked over a congressional budget office report that found it would add 22 million americans to the ranks of the uninsured. other republicans said they'd oppose the senate bill because it doesn't go far enough. in washington, d.c., president trump sparked outrage even among members of his own republican party thursday after he attacked talk show hosts joe scarborough and mika brzezinski of msnbc's "morning joe" program. in a twitter rant, trump tweeted -- "i heard poorly rated morning joe speaks badly of me. don't watch anymore. then how come low i.q. crazy mika, along with psycho joe, came to mar-a-lago 3 nights in a row around new year's eve, and insisted on joining me. she was bleeding badly from a face-lift. i said no!" the president wrote. mika responded. >> we have richard haas with us.
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he appears to have a fragile am a child like ego that we've seen over and over again, especially with women. writing in today's "washington post, she had a headline "he is not well." we're going to go -- in washington, president trump sparked outrage even among members of his own republican party thursday after he attacked to scarborough and mika brzezinski. post," theyington suggested that donald trump is not well, adding "america's leaders and allies are asking themselves yet again whether this man is fit to be president." trump's tweets drew fire across the political spectrum, including from republican congress member lynn jenkins of kansas, who tweeted -- "this is not okay. as a female in politics i am often criticized for my looks. we should be working to empower women." in washington, the white house was unapologetic over the
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comments. this is deputy white house press secretary sarah huckabee sanders. this is a president who fights fire with fire and certainly will not be allowed to be bullied by liberal media and the liberal elites within the media or hollywood or anywhere else. amy: trump's attack on mika brzezinski came a day after he interrupted a phone call congratulating ireland's new prime minister on his election victory to single out a female reporter from ireland. pres. trump: we have a lot of your irish press watching this. where are you from? come here. where you from? we have this beautiful irish press. where you from? >> [indiscernible] katrina perry. she has a nice smile on her face. amy: katrina perry later recalled the incident as bizarre. trump has a history of sexist comments.
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access hollywood video, he is caught on a hike microphone -- hot microphone boasting about women. by2015, trump was questioned then fox news anchor megyn kelly about his history of sexist comments. >> you have called women you don't like fat pigs, dogs, slobs, and disgusting animals. your twitter account -- pres. trump: only rosie o'donnell. >> no, it wasn't. account -- for the record, it was well beyond rosie o'donnell. questionr megyn kelly trump, he attacked her on the campaign trail. this is donald trump in august 2015. mr. trump: she gets out and she starts asking me all sorts of ridiculous questions.
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you could see there was blood coming out of her eyes, blood coming out of her wherever. amy: at least 13 women have accused donald trump of unwanted sexual advances. i now deceased republican , peter wn researcher smith, with ties to oust the national security adviser michael flynn, contacted hackers in the midst of the 2016 election campaign hoping they had emails hacked from hillary clinton's personal server. that is according to a wall street journal expose that was published on thursday. according to "the journal,"'s explicitly outlined his connection with flynn and his recruiting you must. he said michael g flynn was helping with the effort. trenton is a administration have long maintained there's the evidence of collusion between russian operatives and trump campaign associates. the united nations warns humanity has just three years to dramatically lower greenhouse gas emissions or risk facing a world that's uninhabitable to many of its residents.
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the warning by six climate experts was published in the journal "nature." it finds without immediate action by 2020 the earth's average temperature will rise more than the two degree celsius upper limit set by the paris climate accord. the warning came as german chancellor angela merkel has said this year's g 20 summit will focus on climate change. union standsan fully behind its paris commitment and will rapidly and decisively implement the furthermore,l stop since the decision by the united states of america to leave the paris climate deal, we are more determined than ever to make it a success. amy: the white house announced that donald trump will be meeting with vladimir putin next week at the g 20 summit. meanwhile, dutch banking giant ing said wednesday it would not finance major pipeline projects in canada over concerns about the impact of tar sands extraction on first nations communities and the climate.
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and in ireland, president michael higgins is poised to sign a bill that will ban onshore fracking across the country. ireland joins bulgaria, france, and germany among eu countries banning the drilling practice. meanwhile, in tacoma, washington, members of the puyallup tribe and their allies held a protest thursday at the construction site of a liquefied natural gas facility. the protest came ahead of a july 14 court appearance for six water protectors who chained themselves to construction equipment at the site in a bid to halt the project, which would hold up to 8 million gallons of liquefied fracked gas near a residential neighborhood. iraq's army on thursday declared an end to the so-called islamic caliphate, as the u.s.-backed coalition captured the ruins of the grand al-nuri mosque in mosul from isis. the mosque was the site where isis leader abu bakr al-baghdadi declared the caliphate in 2014. its capture came as iranian media reported baghdadi is definitely dead.
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that follows russian reports last month that baghdadi died in a russian airstrike in syria. meanwhile, heavy fighting continues in parts of mosul, where tens of thousands remain trapped in the old city with little access to food, water, and medicine. the journalistic monitoring group airwars reports at least 80 civilians were killed thursday after shelling and airstrikes hit their houses around the grand al-nuri mosque. that follows reports that a family of five was killed and a four-year-old boy was severely injured in an airstrike by the u.s.-led coalition on tuesday. in france, a 43-year-old armenian man was arrested thursday after attempting to ram his suv into a crowd outside a mosque. witnesses say the driver was thwarted in his attempts to kill muslims only because his vehicle struck barriers put in place to protect the mosque. in hong kong, chinese president xi jinping inspected thousands of people's liberation army soldiers today in the largest military parade hong kong has seen since britain handed over
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control of the territory in 1997. president xi's visit came amid a massive security lockdown and after police arrested pro-democracy demonstrators calling for greater autonomy in hong kong under the so-called one country, two systems policy. among those arrested was joshua wong, who helped lead massive protests three years ago against calling for greater political freedom. this is hong kong legislator and activist claudia mo. >> we need the chinese leader to know the one country, two system promise has been a sham. beijing interference in hong kong's to vote men, -- we are very, very resentful about not having true democracy. amy: at the vatican, a senior cardinal and top adviser to pope francis will return to australia to face charges of sexual assault. cardinal george pell is the third-highest ranking official in the roman catholic church. speaking from the vatican, cardinal pell said pope francis granted him a leave of absence
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to return to australia to defend himself. >> i am looking forward finally to having my day in court. i am innocent of these charges. they are false. the whole idea of sexual abuse is of born to me. abhorrent to me. amy: cardinal pell has been ordered to appear in court next month. in 2014, the vatican admitted nearly 850 priests have been dismissed and more than 2500 have been disciplined in a sprawling sexual abuse scandal dating back decades. the house of representatives passed a pair of immigration bills thursday that critics say are aimed at demonizing undocumented immigrants. the first bill, known as kate's law, ads penalties to deported immigrants who re-enter the u.s. it was approved on a vote of 257-167 mostly along party lines. among those opposed was new york democrat jerrold nadler. >> this bill is nothing less
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than fear mongering based on the widely demote -- debunked myth. amy: a second house bill approved thursday would cut off federal grants from sanctuary cities that limit cooperation with immigration authorities. in more immigration news, attorneys general in 10 states say they'll sue the trump administration unless it ends the daca program, or deferred action for childhood arrivals, which grants legal protection for some young immigrants to live and work in the united states. in a letter sent to u.s. attorney general jeff sessions thursday, ken paxton of texas, and nine other republican attorneys general say they're prepared to challenge the entire daca program in court unless the white house rescinds the policy. president trump's ban on refugees and travelers from six majority-muslim nations went partially into effect thursday evening. under a supreme court ruling earlier this week lifting a stay against the ban, people from iran, libya, syria, somalia,
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sudan, and yemen who don't have close family or business relationships may be denied visas and kept out of the u.s. on thursday, the trump administration said it will interpret "close family" to mean only parents, children, siblings and in-laws. among those excluded will be grandparents, grandchildren, uncles, aunts, and cousins. the state department said late thursday it will allow fiances from the affected countries to travel after initially saying they, too, would be banned. an election commission established by president trump has asked all states to hand 50 over detailed personal information about u.s. voters, in a move that civil rights advocates say is aimed at suppressing voter turnout. the request was made by kris kobach, the kansas secretary of state and vice chair of trump's presidential advisory commission on election integrity. kobach has pushed for the strictest voter identification laws in the country and advocated for a proof-of-citizenship requirement at the state and federal levels. at least three states -- california, connecticut, and virginia -- said they would refuse to comply with the request. in a statement, the lawyers'
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committee for civil rights under law said -- "this meritless inquisition opens the door for a misguided and ill-advised commission to take steps to target and harass voters and could lead to purging of the voter rolls." and germany's lower house of parliament thursday voted by a wide margin to legalize same-sex marriage. the bill, which also allows same-sex couples to adopt children, is expected to sail through germany's upper house next week. chancellor angela merkel voted no, saying marriage should only be between women and men. and those are some of the headlines. this is democracy now!,, the war and peace report. i'm amy goodman. president trump urged republican congress today to repeal the affordable care act even as senators recessed for the holidays early yesterday with know plans inside to vote on a replacement health care bill. in a tweet early this money, president trump tweeted --
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senate majority leader mitch mcconnell called off the plane but on the senate health committee -- health bill after some balked over congressional budget office reporthat found it would add 22 million americans to the ranks of the uninsured. other republican said they would oppose the bill because it doesn't go far enough. meanwhile, support for a nationwide single-payer health care system is growing. massachusetts senator elizabeth warren became the latest politician to back single-payer. in an interview with "the wall street journal," she said -- "president obama tried to move us forward with health-care coverage by using a conservative model that came from one of the conservative think tanks that had been advanced by a republican governor in massachusetts. now it's time for the next step. and the next step is single payer." billionaire investor warren buffett also came out in favor of single payer this week, saying -- "we are such a rich country.
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in a sense, we can afford to do it." a recent poll by the pew research center shows a full third of americans are now in favor of a national single-payer system. however, on friday, california assembly speaker anthony rendon shelved a proposal to establish a single-payer system across california, saying the bill will not be voted on this year. the struggle over single-payer comes amid widespread backlash and protests against the republicans' healthcare plan, which the congressional budget office says would cause 22 million americans to lose their health insurance over the next decade. in washington, d.c., planned parenthood staged a people's filibuster against the legislation on tuesday. the protest included dozens of women dressing in red cloaks and white bonnets, inspired by the dystopian novel and tv series "the handmaid's tale," about a totalitarian theocracy which overthrows the u.s. government and imposes power by subjugating women and controlling their reproductive rights. on capitol hill, demonstrators flooded the offices of several republican senators in what they called a last stand to prevent a
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repeal of the affordable care act. at a sit-in protest at the offices pennsylvania's pat toomey, protestershanted, "kill the bill! don't kill me!" similar protests targeted setors tom cotton of arkansas, marco rubio of florida, rob portman of ohio, lisa murkowski of alaska where they were met by murkowski's aide, kevin sweeney. murkowski is a deliberate senator. and she has shown it in the past that she wants to do what is right for alaska, but she needs to know exactly what it is that she is doing. she wants to know the impact this will be on alaskans. >> it is going to kill pple will stop it is not hard to figure it out. this bill already has actuaries attached to it that show the only way these members, about through the cbo is that people die early. amy: during wednesday's protests, police arrested 40 people on misdemeanor charges of
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unlawful crowding, obstructing . meanwhile, activists disability rights group adapt launched a two-day-long sit-in at the office of colorado republican senator cory gardner, staging a die-in and chanting "better to go to jail than die without medicaid." 10 activists with the adapt were arrested on thursday. for more, we go to washington, d.c., where we are joined by stephanie woodward, an organizer with adapt. video went viral of her being ripped from her wheelchair. she has been arrested while protesting 14 times. of's go to that video clip stephanie woodward being arrested. amy: her recent column for vox
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is "i was pulled out of my wheelchair by police. it could be worse. trumpcare could pass." she joins us now from washington, d.c., an organizer with adapt and a disability rights attorney. talk about what happened. disabilitya bunch of rights activists from a depth went to mitch mcconnell's office and many of us were inside of his office and those who could not fit in were outside in the hallway. we staged a die-in to demonstrate people with disabilities will die with these prosed cuts of over $800 billion in cuts to medicaid. we're not just going to sit around and be quiet when you're proposing to kill us. what happened, how you organize, and explain what adapt is. we engage in civil disobedience after every other step does not work. we do meetings. we did advocacy and what people
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view as the polite way. when that does not work, we do civil disobedience to prove we will fight for our rights. adapt's been around for over 30 years. we started for fighting for lives on buses. -- lifts on buses. we mostly focused now on long-term home and community-based services, meaning we don't think people with disabilities should be forced into nursing facilities just because they need help. we strongly believe it is a right to live in liberty, to live in the community. we fight for community-based services. the proposed bill would make significant cuts to those services. amy: and talk about where you were, why you chose to target the senator you did, and then how the police responded to you and others.
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>> i think mitch mcconnell was an obvious choice for us, leading this bill that would take away our life and liberty. it means you're the person we need to confront about this first. that is why we chose mitch mcconnell. office.d in his the people on the hallway were arrested first, mostly because they were the easiest to get to i assume. an hourthere for about to mitchey got mcconnell's office and started carrying us out individually as well. the police were doing our job, but we were doing our job. it just so happens our jobs conflicted that day. amy: so president trump, when he was running for president, talked about medicare and medicaid. a 21st, 2015,o when he was speaking to the right-wing outlet the daily signal. mr. trump: i'm not going to cut social security like every other republican and i'm not going to cut medicare or medicaid.
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every other republican is going to cut. doy don't know what to because they don't know her the money is. i do. amy: stephanie woodward, explain exactly what the cuts are that are proposed in the republican health care plan. >> what we're seeing is over $800 billion in cuts to medicaid . for us in the disability community, that means her sing facility services are mandatory under medicaid. home and community-based services, although they are oftentimes cheaper, are an optional service. when states have caps off cuts to medicaid, they have to get rid of their optional services first because you have to do the mandatory thing. people with disabilities, that means people living in the community will lose the community based services and be forced into nursing facilities or forced to live in the community without the support they need, leaving them in danger of losing their life or losing their liberty, depending on which way they choose to go. amy: what exactly would happen
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to you, stephanie woodward, if this republican health care bill became law? >> i want to be clear, i'm dependent on medicaid until i was 25. i'm not as -- i'm not dependent on medicaid at all. there are millions with disabilities who are. i was part of this group because i won't stand by and let my brothers and sisters with disabilities across the nation have their life and liberty in danger because of a bill. as effective,t be the people i love do and people i know will be impacted. that is why we came together. there's a diverse group of us. everyone would be impacted in different ways, but none of us want to see this go through. amy: stephanie woodward, thank you for being with us organizer , with adapt and a disability rights attorney. video of her being ripped from her wheelchair and arrested for protesting outside mitch mcconnell's office went viral last week. we will link to your column in vox, "i was pulled out of my
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wheelchair by police. it could be worse. trumpcare could pass." when we come back, we go to michael lighty at the national nurses united to talk about single-payer and what happened in california -- passed in the state senate, but was pulled in the state assembly. we will find out why. stay with us. ♪ [music break]
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amy: "peligrosa" dangerous woman by lila downs singing here at our democracy now! studio from her latest album, "salon, lagrimas y deseo." to see her full interview and performance, go to this is democracy now!,, the war and peace report. i'm amy goodman. earlier this month, the california state senate passed a bill that would establish a single-payer healthcare system for the entire state. the proposal, called the healthy california act, was later killed by state assembly speaker anthony rendon even though the plan had widespread support. a poll commissioned by the
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california nurses association found 70% of all californians are in favor of a single-payer plan. for more, we go to berkeley, california, to be joined by michael lighty, the director of public policy for national nurses united and the california nurses association. michael, can you talk about this growing movement? at the national level, you now have senator warren who just came out in "wall street journal" saying she is for single payer. senator bernie sanders has also said the same thing, though he yes not introduced the latest bill. it in california, this debate has been raging. what happened? it is quite, remarkable because we got single-payer past through the state senate on june 1. i think ultimately we had 400 organizations who were with us in the assembly -- in the senate, rather, for the bill and continuing to support it. we've had major demonstrations
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all over the state -- town halls in every region of california. there's a huge groundswell for this reform. it is exactly why we need to do it as pointed out by your previous story. this in action literally means debt. must act urgently to prevent the worst impacts of this to be helped plan from coming true in california. amy: explain what was passed in the company state senate. explain exactly what single-payer or medicare for all is. essentially, we're able to eliminate all insurance companies premiums, deductibles, and co-pays and have a new entity, will call the healthy california, provide health care through pain providers. we eliminate all of the waste and inefficiency of the present system. we are able to reimburse providers best -- based on
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medicare rates, conference of benefits, complete was a provider, as we eliminate the premiums,companies deductibles, and co-pays. currently, 70% of health-care expenses in california are paid by taxpayers. we're just not getting our moneys worth. what a single pair does is essentially use the leverage of everybody in one system to contain prices, to guarantee health care for all, including those who are undocumented. it is actually the best type of reform because we are able to get those efficiencies to save money. we estimated $37 billion can be saved by going to this medicare for all type system in california. amy: explain the politics of what happened in the state assembly, although the state senate passed it. >> it is pretty straightforward. those deep-pocketed interests that fund, including democrats, are opposed to this bill.
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you have the health care industry given the speaker, along with the insurance industry, over $700,000. he is the one who stopped progress on this bill. he is essentially deny democracy on behalf of the health care industry. there are opponents for this i clearly have a great deal at have a- that clearly great deal at stake. the insurance companies in california have earned $27 billion in that income. tosurprise, amy, they want hold onto those profits. amy: what do you say to those who actually do support medicare for all were single-payer health care but feel it cannot be done on a state-by-state basis? explain how it would work if the country does not have single-payer, but california did. in some sense.el california is the sixth largest economy in the country. the governor is committed to climatemajor player in action.
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he has the resources of the nation or of a nation to do that. we believe yes the resources of a nation to guarantee health care for all californians. californians are entitled to the federal spending on health care for which they are eligible, just as every other state. we are to get that money to california. the affordable care act under the 1332 provision is explicitly designed to enable states to set up single-payer type universal health care systems. there's a statutory language in there to do so. those waivers them also under medicaid, are under -- are able to challeng channel those money. of statefavor innovation. certainly, there is nothing more innovative than saving people and businesses billions of dollars as we provide comprehensive coverage to everybody. we believe there's a statutory basis and a believe that we can do this in california because we
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have the resources to do so. amy: i want to turn to harvard professor john mcdonough who we have had on a number of times, chief architect of what many call romneycare massachusetts, the model for the affordable care act. involved withalso the passage of the affordable care act. when we spoke to him a few years ago in 2012, he said he supports single-payer but doesn't think it's feasible. >> i think a single-payer plan could be far preferable. that there was no possibility in 2009, 2010, of achieving passage of anything close to a single-payer. i think the question is, does the affordable care act move the system forward by eliminating pre-existing conditions, by creating the medicaid expansions, by undertaking so many other important improvements to the health care system, tripling the size of the national health service corps, providing important new funding
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for community health centers -- many, many important provisions. i think that short of a single-payer system that the affordable care act, what is the best we could get done, and that it really will provide significant meaningful, important improvements for the lives in the health and well-being of many, many millions of americans. could respond to what the professor says and also talk about these polls, saying about one third of americans now are for single payer, maybe 60% believe the federal government should be involved with health insurance, guaranteeing health insurance? exactlynk that is right, amy. there is a groundswell for the federal government to guarantee health care for all. that is even stronger in california. even after people hear the opposition arguments in california, 58% support this type of reform, this type of medicare for all reform.
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we did meet with john mcdonough and senator kennedy when he was still alive during the health care debate around the affordable care act. we just disagree that the tax subsidy of the purchase of private health insurance is going to get us to universal coverage. the affordable care act, best -- best europe, 29 case in europe, 29 million are still uninsured. the underinsured. this guarantees health care as he human right. we are not there and that is why we must keep pressing for. california can literally lead the nation in doing so and we can prove to john and the other skeptics that in fact, if we institute a policy that eliminates the nefarious role that insurance companies provide, we can guarantee health care for all. that is the evolution we need to
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make from the affordable care act. amy: michael lighty, take for being with us, director for public policy for national nurses united and the california nurses association. when you come back, author naomi klein on "no is not enough." ♪ [music break] amy: "minstrel" by philip cohran & the artistic heritage ensemble. cohran, a legendary trumpeter, composer, and spiritual-jazz innovator died wednesday at the age of 90.
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this is democracy now!,, the war and peace report. i'm amy goodman. as we wrap up today show with part 2 of our conversation with best-selling author and journalist naomi klein, author of "the shock doctrine" and "this changes everything." her new book is called "no is , not enough: resisting trump's shock politics and winning the world we need." two company the book, the intercept recently made this video. >> i don't think i could sit down right now. >> shocking. >> a were that has come up a lot since november. i a shock to to the systemnject. >> 10 years ago, i published "the shock doctrine." .pending four decades i noticed a brutal and recurring tactic by right-wing government. after a shocking event, a war, coup, iteris attack, market
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crash, or natural disaster, disorientation. we're going to cut taxes and simplify the tax code. pres. trump: the united states will withdraw from the paris climate accord.
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amy: that video produced by the intercept. no maclean, author of the new book released this week, "no is not enough: resisting trump's shock politics and winning the world we need." yes, a shock. you are a specialist in analyzing what happens next. >> the reason why i wrote this book very quickly, for me, you know, usually takes me five years to write a book. i did this in less than five months, because i really wanted it to come out before any kind of major crisis hits the united states. lots of people see trump himself as a crisis. i would tend to agree. but what really has me scared is what this characterization --
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configuration of characters in the trump administration -- pence, bannon, betsy devos, steve mnuchin, all these goldman sachs alum who are in the cabinet -- how they would respond to a large-scale crisis that they themselves are not creating. i mean, the chaos is chaos they're generating themselves, either deliberately or out of incompetence and avarice, but what happens if there's a 2008-like financial crisis? what happens, you know, heaven forbid, if there is a manchester-like attack in the united states? the actions of this administration make these types of shocks more likely, not less, right? they're deregulating the banks, creating the conditions for another crash. they are antagonizing the world, particularly the muslim world. you know, isis apparently called trump's muslim travel ban a "blessed ban," because it was so good for recruitment. they are -- you know, they are making climate disasters more likely with everything they're doing to deregulate industry,
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deregulate for polluters. you know, there's a lag time between that and when the climate shocks hit, but the truth is, we've already warmed the planet enough that no u.s. president can get through a year, let alone a term, without some sort of major climate-related disaster. so how does this group of -- this cabinet of disaster capitalists, is what i call them, amy, because there is such a track record of taking advantage of crisis, whether we're looking at the goldman sachs -- former goldman sachs executives and the way they profited from the subprime mortgage crisis to increase their own personal wealth, whether it is mike pence and the central role he played when new orleans was still underwater to come up with a corporate wish list to push through. so, you know, as disastrous as trump's policies have been so far, there's actually long, toxic to-do lists, things that people around trump and trump
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himself have been -- have very openly said they would like to do, but they have actually not been able either to get through without a crisis or they haven't even tried, right? think about trump's threats to bring back torture. think about his threats to bring the feds into chicago. think about his threats not just to have a muslim travel ban from specific countries, but not to let muslims into the country, period. so i think we do need to prepare for this. and what i tried to do with this video is create a little toolkit of, you know, what i have seen work in other countries, because i have been reporting on shocks and large-scale disasters and how societies respond now for a couple of decades, and i've seen some amazing acts of resistance, you know? amy: and talk about those. we saw some images of them here. >> yeah. so one of the things i think we could really count on trump to do, particularly if there is any
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kind of terrorism-related shock -- and let's be clear. there have been terrorism events, white supremacist terrorism, in the united states during the trump era, but of course he doesn't treat those as a crisis. so an event that they decided was a large-scale crisis, we already know from the way trump responded to the london bridge attacks. he immediately said, "this is why we need to bring back my travel ban." after the manchester attacks, he immediately said, "this is about immigrants flooding across our borders." in fact, the person responsible for those attacks was born in the u.k. it doesn't matter. you know, we know this from 9/11, that the way -- these crises are used as opportunities to push through policies that actually have very little to do with getting at root causes, and in many cases, exacerbate -- most notably, the invasion of iraq, which had nothing to do with 9/11, but it was just that sheer opportunism. so, you know, what i've seen is, i think, in all likelihood, they
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would declare a state of emergency, some sort of state of exception, where they're able to ban protests, like the protests we saw, the very inspiring protests in the face of the muslim travel ban. they would say, "no, you can't block a road. you can't block an airport. you could be a target of terrorism yourself. stay in your homes." so, you know, i give a few examples, like argentina in 2001, when as the president was declaring a state of siege and telling people to stay in their homes, people described not being able to hear him because the sound from the streets was so loud, the roar of pots and pans and neighbors flooding out of their homes and going to the plaza de mayo and refusing this state of siege, was -- that they drowned him out. they literally couldn't hear him. so other people left their houses. you know, in that moment, that's the moment to resist. you know, that is the moment to just notccept it. and it's really a question of
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strength in numbers, because if it is only the kind of hardcore activists that are out on the streets, it's really easy to crush small protests. it's harder to do it when it is hundreds of thousands of people. so i wanted to share some of these stories of societies that have just said, "we will not let you do it." right? i was in france, as were you, amy, a week after the horrific terrorist attacks in 2015. we were there for the paris climate summit. a week before, 200 people had been killed in paris in coordinated attacks. the french government, under francois hollande, a socialist government -- socialist in name only, but, you know, a left government -- declared a state of emergency and banned political gatherings of more than five people. you know, if that can happen in france under a socialist government in a country with a very deep history of disruptive strikes, what do we expect trump and bannon and pence to do at the earliest opportunity?
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so i think it's important to strategize. it's important to know the history in the united states. you know, in all these countries, the examples i give -- argentina, why did they flood out of their houses? you ask people. they said, "it reminded us of the beginning of the dictatorship in 1976. that's how it started. they told us that we weren't safe and that it was going to be a temporary state of emergency. and it ended up turning into a dictatorship." so they saw the early signs, and they said, "no, not again. nunca mas." right? you know, we talked to americans about this. they say, "well, we don't have that history." really? what about the japanese internment, you know? what about -- you've written, amy, what about what happened to mexican americans in the united states during the great depression and during at crisis and the mass deportations? there is this history in many communities, and those communities keep that history alive. you know, during hurricane katrina, so many african
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americans talked about the history of how crises had been used to further oppress black people in this country. but these stories are offloaded into those communities, who hold them and keep that history alive. it isn't nationally metabolized, right? and so we have to share these stories. and i do think there is a memory now of what happened after september 11 and the rights that were lost and the ways in which people's grief was exploited by men in power who said, "trust me." don't make that mistake again. amy: what about the connection to war? i mean, you have what happened in manchester, the horror there. you have the continued deaths in yemen, the u.s.-backed saudi bombing. no the u.s. has expanded both in somalia and in the philippines with u.s. forces. you have this horrific attack that took place in kabul, where over 150 afghans died. it hardly got any attention. but the rage that must be
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brewing at the grassroots when they don't get any media attention from the west? >> yeah, right, right. you know, people are being erased. and this is a very, very old story. they are already expanding the battlefields, escalating on multiple, multiple fronts. and, you know, this is the most dangerous, most lethal way that shocking events are exploited, people's fear exploited. and, you know, let's remember that this administration will have various motivations for changing the subject away from their domestic scandals. and trump has never gotten better media coverage than in the wake of the -- his syrian missile strike, you know, called "beautiful" by brian williams. and it's -- you know, suddenly, he was presidential, right? ordering cruise missiles over delicious chocolate cake at mar-a-lago. so, you know, we have to be
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very, very vigilant about this. and, you know, the u.s. has had a strong antiwar movement in the past, but that antiwar movement hasn't been in the streets in the same way. and, you know, i think that this -- these resistance movements are going to have to get ready for that kind of a shock, because once the wars begin, you know, it's very hard to stop them. another example, i think, of shock resistance, we just saw in the u.k. during jeremy corbyn's -- during jeremy corbyn's campaign, where theresa may was exploiting the manchester attacks, the london bridge attacks, to say, "we are going to have to get rid of your online privacy. we need backdoors into all of your communication apps. we may need to suspend human rights law." and jeremy corbyn was talking about root causes, the failure of the war-on-terror paradigm and how this is leading to an
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increase in these types of attacks. and, you know, i think that a lot of people decided that that made more sense after these many years, like not to double down and give up rights in these moments, but to try to understand why this is happening and to do something about it. amy: and so theresa may lost her conservative majority in the parliament. on saudi arabia, the first country president trump went to, the first foreign country, was saudi arabia. he does the orb with the saudi arabians. he does the sword dances, or tries, with the saudi arabians. >> the sword stumble. amy: he seals these deals, well over $110 billion, leaves there extolling the saudi leadership and attacks the european leaders. and then comes home, and despite the almost begging of the european leaders on the issue of the climate accord, he not only attacks them, but then comes home to the united states and announces he's withdrawing from the very accord they're pleading
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with him to remain in. what about this primacy of saudi arabia right now, both its connection to war, with the u.s.-backed saudi bombing of yemen -- which is leading to a horrific cholera epidemic, not to mention just the number of deaths -- and climate change? >> you know, one of the things that really worries me is how motivated these petrostates are to have more instability because that sends the price of oil up, and, you know, their profits flow even more. it's something that the udis have in common with the russians, have in common with rex tillerson, former ceo of exxon. you know, the way i think we should see that foreign trip of trump's is basically as traveling weapons salesman, right? and he's sending this message -- you buy enough american weapons, you're our friend. you know? like this is the price. so he heaps praise on saudi arabia for, you know, having done that, having made that deal, and he goes to europe, and he screams at them, you know,
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nato members, for not pulling their weight, right? which means not buying enough weapons. you know, i'm canadian. i'm canadian-american, dual citizen. but my government shamefully came home and announced a massive -- sorry, a massive increase in weapons spending. so, you know, this is -- this is trump's foreign policy, is traveling weapons salesman. amy: best-selling author naomi klein, senior correspondent for the intercept. her new book is titled, "no is not enough: resisting trump's shock politics and winning the world we need." part one of the interview, you can go to two july and tuesday, 4 specials. a major address by senator bernie sanders at the people's summit in chicago. that is monday. on tuesday, james role jones .eads and we talked to dave
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