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10/20/17 10/20/17 [captiong ma possible demoacy now!] amy: from marin county to my california, this is democracy now! courts we're still impacted by five years of doubt. the certificate rain of last year are gone. we are looking at explosive vegetation. these fires are burning actively during the day and at night when one would expect a fire to subside. make no mistake, this is a serious, critical, catastrophic event. amy: as catastrophic wildfires in california kill at least 42 people and leave thousands of homes and businesses in ruins, many of the areas undocumented
20,000 immigrants have had no sanctuary from the flames, with some sleeping on beaches in order to avoid federal agents at shelters. this comes as far right media outlets like breitbart are falsely reporting that an undocumented immigrant was arrested in connection to the fires. police say there is no indication the man had anything to do with the wildfires. we will speak with the deputy county lawyer of sonoma county and the head of the community center. then as global temperatures continues to rise, we will look at the link between fires and climate change with dr. max moritz, fire research scientist based at uc santa barbara. and we'll host roundtable activists on next steps after a summer of extreme weather around the world. >> what the movement needs to do is be strong and unified and
fight back on all of these decisions and appointments. and we can grow our movement. so many people were concerned about the election of donald trump are concerned about what it means for this issue that is going to affect generations that have yet to come. so we are seeing many more people who want to get involved. amy: all that and more, coming up. welcome to democracy now!, democracynow.org, the war and peace report. i'm amy goodman. we are broadcasting from northern california. both former presidents obama and george w. bush criticized president trump on thursday, slamming trumps divisive, nativist and hateful rhetoric. neither of the former presidents named trump directly, but both their speeches were clearly aimed at the current president. this is president obama speaking
in richmond, virginia, while campaigning for democratic gubernatorial candidate ralph northam. pres. obama: instead of our politics reflecting our values, we're politics infecting our communities. instead of looking for waste to work together -- ways to work together and get things done and a practical way, we have folks who are deliberately trying to make folks angry, to demonize people who have different ideas. to get the base all riled up because it provides a short-term tactical advantage. amy: that was former president barack obama. this is former president george w bush also denouncing president trump while speaking at a bush institute event in new york. pres. bush: to treat seems emboldened -- bigotry seems emboldened. our policy seems more vulnerable
to conspiracy theories and outright fabrication. .asual cruelty at times, vacancy might be s pulling support are stronger than those binding us together. we have forgotten the dynamism that immigration has always brought to america. amy: "the new york times" reports it is unprecedented in modern u.s. history for two former presidents to speak out so forcefully against the current sitting president. president trump is planning to depart for a 12-day trip to asia in early november amid rising tensions between the u.s. and north korea. trump is slated to visit china, vietnam, japan, the philippines, and south korea. white house officials are divided over whether trump should visit the demilitarized zone between north and south korea during the trip, with concerns that a visit could further exacerbate the threat of nuclear war.
in the philippines, he is slated to meet with philippine president rodrigo duterte, who is presiding over a bloody so-called war on drugs that has left thousands of people dead. in california, the state's insurance commissioner says the unprecedented wildfires have caused over $1 billion in insured losses. the wildfires were the deadliest since record-keeping began, killing at least 42 people, destroying thousands of homes and businesses, and scorching more than 200,000 acres -- roughly the size of new york city. as of thursday, more than 20,000 people are still displaced in sonoma county. calfire is still investigating the cause of the fires. residents in santa rosa have sued the pacific gas and electric company, claiming the company's failure to maintain its power lines sparked the blazes. the night the fires began, there were multiple reports of downed power lines and exploding electrical transformers.
meanwhile, sonoma county sheriff has refuted claims being spread by far-right-wing news outlets, including breitbart news, that a -- that an undocumented men arrested for arson on sunday may have sparked the blazes. sheriff giordano said -- "there's a story out there he's the arsonist for these fires. that is not the case. there is no indication he is related to these fires at all." we'll have more on the deadly wildfires after headlines. on puerto rico, about three million residents still have no electricity from the power grid, and more than 1 million people still have no clean drinking water now one month after hurricane maria hit puerto rico as a category 4 storm. the official death toll now stands at 48. at least 113 more people are still missing. across the island, residents are reporting suffering from eye
infections and gastrointestinal diseases as a result of exposure to contaminated water. on thursday, president trump said his administration deserves a 10 out of 10 for its response to the ongoing humanitarian crisis on puerto rico. in california, the los angeles police department says it's investigating disgraced movie producer harvey weinstein for sexual assault. the new york police department and scotland yard are also investigating multiple reports of sexual assault by weinstein. more than 40 women, including some of hollywood's biggest stars, have now come forward with allegations of rape, sexual assault or sexl harassment against weinstein, who was once one of the most powerful men in hollywood. one of his closest collaborators, prominent movie director quentin tarantino, has now come forward to admit he knew for decades about weinstein's sexual harassment, but didn't take action because he wanted to continue making films with weinstein. tarantino told "the new york times" -- "i knew enough to do more than i
did. if i had done the work i should have done then, i would have had to not work with him." the u.s. army is again facing scrutiny over sexual assault and harassment after "the washington post" reported that a number of the troops and army prosecutors tasked with preventing sexual assault have themselves been charged with rape in recent months. in september, army prosecutor scott hockenberry, who is responsible for investigating sexual assault in the military, was charged with raping a woman twice, hitting her in the face, and pressing a knife against her neck. earlier this year, another soldier certified by the army as a sexual assault prevention officer was convicted in a military court of repeatedly raping a 12-year-old girl. the u.s. army told "the washington post" that over the last year it has launched sexual assault investigations against eight other soldiers or civilians tasked with deterring or investigating sexual assault inside the army. in spain, the spanish government
says it is convening an emergency cabinet meeting saturday to trigger article 155 of the constitution, which will allow spain to suspend catalonia's autonomy and seize control of the region. the move comes after catalonia voted to secede from spain in a referendum spain has called illegal. article 155 has never been used before in spain's modern democratic history. this is spanish government spokesperson inigo mendez de vigo. >> the president of the government has called a special cabinet meeting for next saturday that will activate the senate in order to protect the general interest of spaniards. among them, the citizens of catalonia. all citizens of catalonia. and to restore constitutional order in the autonomous region. amy: in colombia, afrocolombian community leader jose jair cortes has been assassinated in the southern region of nariño. he was murdered tuesday in a rural area where, on october 5, at least seven coca farmers were
killed during clashes with police at a protest over the government's eradication of coca crops. the u.n. assistant secretary-general for human rights has condemned the killing of human rights and land defenders in colombia, saying -- "the armed conflict with the farc may be over, but the country's incredibly brave human rights defenders continue to be threatened and killed at an alarming rate." in argentina, thousands of people marched to the plaza de mayo in the capital buenos aires on thursday demanding justice and answers in the case of a indigenous activist. on thursday, a body was found in the river close to the site santiago maldonado disappeared on august 1 during a protest against the eviction of indigenous people from lands claimed by the italian clothing company benetton. it is not yet known if the body is maldonado's. witnesses say argentine security forces beat and arrested a person around the time of maldonado's disappearance.
the case has stoked painful memories of the military dictatorship of 1976 to 1983, when u.s.-backed security forces tortured activists and disappeared an estimated 30,000 people. this is nora cortina of the mothers of the plaza de mayo. >> if president wasn't interested in human rights ri is president of all now. he has to govern for all argentinians and argentinians need to know that human rights are part of the government and arpartf the state. this is what we are, that they respect human rights. amy: in north dakota, a judge has sentenced two water protectors to jail time after they were convicted on misdemeanor charges over an october 2016 protest as standing rock sioux against the dakota access pipeline. alexander simon were sentenced to serve 18 days and joe for obstruction of a government
function, while 64-year-old mary redway was sentenced to six days and joe for disorderly conduct. they were imposed by judge thomas merrick will stop despite the fact the prosecution had not recommended the two serve jail time. sara lafleur-vetteras acquitted on misdemeanor charges stemming from her reporting on the protest on october 22. she was filming for the guardian at the time of her arrest. there are still hundreds of unresolved criminal cases related to the month-long resistance at standing rock. three water protectors are currently imprisoned while awaiting trial. and those are some of the headlines. this is democracy now!, democracynow.org, the war and peace report. i'm amy goodman. we are broadcasting from the community media center of marin in san rafael, california. today is community media day, which celebrates community media centers like this one around the country.
here in california, catastrophic wildfires have killed at least 42 people and left thousands of homes and businesses in ruins. the fires are still burning across multiple counties. we are in marin, close to sonoma county, which some say has taken the brunt of the destruction, and is home to about 20,000 undocumented immigrants who've had little sanctuary from the fires. last week, immigration and customs enforcement, or ice, announced it would suspend non-criminal enforcement at shelters and evacuation centers here. but fear of deportation led some undocumented residents to set up camps on the beach, or sleep in their cars, churches or other pop-up shelters in order to avoid federal agents. some evacuees also face challenges returning to their homes because of police checkpoints.
investigating the cause of the fire. residents have sued pacific gas & electric company claiming their failure to maintain their power lines sparked the blazes. the night the fires began, the were multiple reports of downed power lines and exploding electrical transformers. this comes as right-wing media outlets like breitbart falsely reported that an undocumented immigrant was arrested in connection with starting the fire. police say they did arrest 29-year-old jesus fabian gonzalez, a homeless man who had started a fire to keep warm. deputies extinguished the small fire before any firefighters arrived. this was after the fires had begun. but on tuesday sonoma county sheriff rob giordano said there is "no indication that gonzalez had anything to do with these fires and it appears highly unlikely." on wednesday, ice's acting director thomas homan accused sonoma county of being a "non-cooperative jurisdiction" that "has left their community vulnerable to dangerous
individuals and preventable crimes." the sonoma county sheriff issued a scathing response, calling ice's statements inaccurate, inflammatory, and damaging and said -- "ice attacked the sheriff's office in the midst of the largest natural disaster this county has ever experienced. i hope to end this senseless public confrontation with these facts so that i may focus on the fire recovery." meanwhile, the fires have also contributed to the portable housing crisis, leaving thousands homeless in neighborhoods of california where rental prices were already skyhigh before the blazes. for more, we are joined by two guests who work closely with the immigrant community here. juan hernandez is the executive director of the la luz center in sonoma. and alegria de la cruz is chief deputy county counselor of sonoma county, which is one of the main service providers for the large undocumented population. we welcome you both to democracy
now! alegria de la cruz, you are the chief deputy county counselor of sonoma county. but also you have been appointed to communicate with the spanish-speaking population here. we run an infrastructure group of about 11 lawyers that serve the county's departments i do important things like parks, water, roads, etc. i have also been responsible for leading the county's efforts, coordinator with regard to immigration service division, as well as fundraising for the legal service -- increasing pacitti throughout the county. amy: talk about what has just taken place. this attack -- it is reminiscent of puerto rico in the midst of the catastrophe, president trump attacking the san juan mayor, who usually saw a television with water up to her chest holding a bullhorn trying to evacuate people safely. he attacked her. now you have the head of ice
attacking sonoma county and the sheriff who is trying to deal the fires. >> it calls into question of public safety issues that are raised by local governments in the face of such increased efforts in terms of immigration enforcement. training ago, we were immigrant communities on how to protect themselves from immigration enforcement and warning people to make sure before they open the doors to somebody in uniform, that they saw a sign judicial warrant. 10 or 11 days later, we're telling people to come in because they are safe. the confusion and conflict in their emotional state, especially in light of the , iseme natural disaster very difficult for the community to kind of switch so quickly. tens ofre seeing is thousands of people not coming in to receive services to which they are entitled to, and continuing to seek service
outside of the institutions that are designed to serve them. amy: where did immigrants go? undocumented? >> a lot have gone to the coast. they go to the beach. amy: to the ocean? >> yes. a lot has to do it it was cleaner air. they wanted to get out to cleaner air. i think one of the key things people need to understand is communication was down completely. you could not use our cell phone. internet was down. communication in general was hard to connect with people -- english speaking people, but even worse, the spanish-speaking people. so they had no way of communicating with anybody. all they sell were the fires coming down the hill. amy: people run to the beach because they are afraid to go to the evacuation centers? they are heading to water? >> yes. we saw the uncertainty of where to go. a lot of the families work in --
were disconnected from family services, the media. they did the best they could to support their families. amy: alegria de la cruz, when people would knock on the door, they are afraid to open it. >> and this is in the face of a disaster where people are needing to evacuate in order to save their lives. the county made a huge effort to ensure that information was spanish in english and trying to send the message to folks that, ok, we have shifted and now ice has promised not to enforce immigration laws at these places of service. please come and receive benefits for you and your family that you are legally entitled to. this is something that sonoma county does on a regular basis. being able to shift and make sure we're continuing to do that in our capacity as the county service providers, wasn't necessarily far-fetched from
what it is we do every day for people. amy: so respond to the head of ice attacking sonoma county, where you are the chief deputy county counselor. >> my office does represent the sheriff's office. i just want to elevate his comments and really highlight the fact that in the face of such disaster and such emergency to then be responding to these kinds of attack, i believe sheriff said it beautifully that these statements are inflammatory and incorrect. making these kind of statements at this time takes away all of the energy we have to be fighting fires -- which are still burning -- making sure people have services and are safe. it makes things very difficult to increase service provision to communities already vulnerable and in need of services to continue to make efforts to make sure people understand coming into shelters, coming into the local assistance center is safe, that we are there to make sure people are receiving benefits that they need in order to
recover. is that the recovery effort equitable. these are not benefits that people are applying for illegally in any way. these are benefits to which families are legally entitled. to be able to come into the center to receive assistance is something that every sonoma county resident who has been impacted by the fires has the ability and right to do. amy: can you comment on breitbart news and others, but most important, the had of ice, accusing an undocumented immigrant of starting the fires? what is your understanding of what happened? >> the fires are still under investigation. the cause is under investigation. it is premature at this stage. it is clear from the investigation conducted with mr. gonzales's arrest that the fires could not have an caused by his small fire, which he was arrested for. a few days ago, many days after the fires had started.
, talk aboutrnandez the housing crisis and now people having jobs. in san rafael. it is, oh, 20, 40 miles from santa rosa where you are from. both of you come you live about five blocks apart. the images we have seen of parts of santa rosa right now, it is a picturee, i now iconic of a mail carrier going to a completely burned out area. how many people, what, about 100,000 people have been evacuated? listat is correct, overall of over the course of the fires, we understand are still 20,000 people who have been displaced and continue to be displaced. at the height of the fire, there were 36 shelters draw the county to help folks who needed to be evacuated under advisory conditions or mandatory.
amy: the issue of affordable housing? >> before the fire started, the biggest issue in our county was affordable housing. i think this is exacerbating the issue. it is the number one issue in our county, the housing. so now people who have lost homes are competing with people that were looking for homes before. that is the number one issue we are facing now. amy: what do people do? >> at this point, they are weighing their options. we know some of our families that have been affected have been moving in with other families. the biggest issue we're seeing is affecting restaurant workers, landscapers, hotels. number one is loss of jobs. a lot of our families that were working on these ranges and in the spaniards and some family moms working cleaning houses, they have lost their ability to a living. the second thing is because they have not been working for at
least a good one to two weeks, they have no money. paycheck been living to paycheck. this has affected their ability to get food. we're seeing a basic need of our families that are not being met. sonoma valley was really cut off from the rest of santa rosa. highway 12 was closed. area was really cut off from the rest of the county. we have a lot of families that could not leave. ready to was there and serve. these families were not able to get outpost of amy: "new york times headline." >> that is a big question. it has to do really more so with the housing, the lack of housing that will maybe force our families to move out of the area. amy: i want to ask -- what reporters say?
>> the county has long been dedicated to finding creative solutions to our affordable housing challenges. we are dedicated to cordoning visioning process that ensures whatever rebuilding and reconstruction is done with equity front and center and with affordability to really address the situation that we already were suffering and now has just been exacerbated by these fires. amy: alegria de la cruz, is sonoma county a sanctuary county? >> it is not. that phrase or that word is complicated. it means many things to many people. our board of supervisors has long been leaders in this movement to make sure as a county, we are serving everybody who lives within our jurisdiction and making sure folks have information and access to the people that represent them. this idea really was developed in a series of resolution that the board of supervisors under talk starting really in january
of this year to make sure folks in our community knew the board of supervisors and the county as a whole were there to serve them and we were going to not only spanish,nformation in but culturally competent information and making sure we were giving folks services and help in addressing their unique needs and questions. are complicated legal questions the legal resources available to folks in our county at low and no costs are very, very few. the county has been working with the public-private partnership to ensure we find raise to of oure the capacity nonprofit organizations to provide increased amounts of legal services giving the needs of our community. amy: and the significance of the ice homan saying sonoma county's stump cooperating? what does that mean? >> sonoma county follows the law. there is a case in oregon that sets forth a right for people to have their for the moment right protected and saying ice
sending a request or local law enforcement agency to hold people after their time of their release is unconstitutional. that it requires a warrant to hold that person is a probable cause to continue to detain them. sonoma county, like many jurisdictions throughout the ninth circuit, has followed that decision and followed the law in respect of people's constitutional rights. while we do follow california truth and trust act as well as the upcoming sb54, california's century act that will be of limited starting in january -- sonoma cnty is just making sure it is following the law amy: will you lose federal funding? >> we have been part of a number of legal challenges led by many counties and cities throughout the country to challenge the changes in policy that we allege are unconstitutional and threaten counties basic access
to funding for law enforcement. they brought -- the brought hasnstitutional reach threatened the ability to receive federal funds, which make up a large amount of our budget to ensure that people continue to be served. amy: both of you, a final message, especially to the undocumented community here. i mean, for people to understand outside of this area what is happening, just talking to folks last night in san francisco that describe the orange glow over san francisco. they were not experiencing the fires. but the devastation that you are facing right now, fires still burning, though much more contained. .he massive number of evacuees the loss of people's homes. the loss of life, of course, the worst of all. but what message in particular do you have for the latino and undocumented communities?
is this isant to say not the first rodeo for the immigrant community being under attack either by our press, current president. we have been attacked since the creation of this country. we feel this is a resilient community. the difference now is there are in thewho are working county office, executive directors like myself who are on the same page. we are a resilient community and we will be here to help our community to the end. at the community level, president trump is irrelevant. amy: last comment, alegria de la cruz? >> we are here any united front for our entire community. we are one community. this recovery effort is not going to happen unless we are united, lest the recovery effort is based on equity and ensuring everybody has their piece of this important effort to make sure santa rosa in sonoma county become whole again. amy: i want to thank you both for being here. alegria de la cruz is chief
deputy county counselor of sonoma county. hit so hard by these wildfires. and juan hernandez, executive director of the la luz center in sonoma, california. this is democracy now!, democracynow.org, the war and peace report. i'm amy goodman. when we come back, we will speak with max moritz with the university of california. and then we will speak with the heads-up 350.org, the indigenous environmental network, and rain forced action network, about what they're doing now around in issues of climate change this coury and around the world. stay with us. we are broadcasting from northern california. ♪ [music break]
amy: chicano batman singing "la jura" the police from their new album "freedom is free" at our democracy now! studio. to see their full interview and performance, visit democracynow.org. this is democracy now!, democracynow.org, the war and peace report. i'm amy goodman. we are broadcasting from the community media center of marin in san rafael, california, as we -- not far from the wildfires of northern california as we continue our conversation about the wildfires, the deadliest since records began. 42 people have been killed. destroying thousands of homes
and businesses, the fire has, scorched more than 200,000 acres -- roughly the size of new york city. tens of thousands of evacuees have now been allowed to return to their homes, with about 15,000 still displaced as of thursday. at least 100,000 people were forced to evacuate, with about 75,000 people still displaced. some residents had to flee for their lives as drought-conditions and powerful, erratic winds contributed to the explosive spread of the fires. this is cal fire chief ken pimlott. >> we are still impacted by five years of drought. lastignificant rain we had winter, those effects are gone of that moisture. we're literally looking at explosive vegetation. these fires are burning actively during the day and that night, when one would expect a fire to subside. and make no mistake, this is a serious, critical, catastrophic event. amy: among the victims of the wildfires were elderly residents
of sonoma county, where authorities say their bodies were so charred, the only way to identify some of them was by the serial numbers on artificial joints or other medical devices. now officials and residents are searching for answers about the causes of this fire as well as others that have scorched california's landscape over the past few decades. and while studies have linked wildfires to climate change, researchers say there are other contributing factors that should be considered. for more, we're joined from santa barbara, california, by dr. max moritz, fire research scientist with the university of california cooperative extension based at the university of california santa barbara. welcome to democracy now! can you talk about what has happened in northern california and how it relates to climate change, to climate chaos, global warming? >> sure. thanks for the opportunity, amy.
as you have noted, the fires are still not even out so we have a lot to learn. but in general, what we do know is these were win-driven off ofes that swept vegetative landscapes and entered into urban areas and then transitioned to an urban conflagration. some aspects of why there were so many homes lost and 70 fatalities are related to the one her abilities of this particular situation -- vulnerabilities of this particular situation. and other aspects of it relates to the ferocity, the strength of on thees themselves wildfires as they progressed across the landscape. as the fire chief noted, the effects of the drought in previous years in california, five years of severe drought,
there is a lingering effect of those even though we had ample rainfall in much of the state last year. the drought itself was made worse probably by climate change, by heightened greenhouse gas-forced temperatures. they make the drought more severe. they basically increase of evaporativemand -- dement on the planes. lots of trains that we have seen over the last several decades in fire have been related back to climate change. there has been some good work looking at the temperature affects. again, increasing evaporative demand. but warmer springs in higher elevations causing earlier snowmelt in still-dominated ,orests, leading to a longer
more severe fire season. there is pretty conclusive evidence for a link to climate change for many of the fires that we have seen in the last couple of decades. the trends match up with what we expect from climate change and our models. these particular evens, because they were so wind-driven, it is harder to make a link to climate change, although, there are ways that you would link the drought severity and possibly the flame links in the rates of spread. while it was a wildfire, but really, the losses that we saw in the urbanized environment in terms of structural losses and lives, it is really a different beast. this is not a classic wildfire situation. urban conflagration. amy: and that issue of urban wildfires, of this urban conflagration. talk about more how unusual this is. >> yeah, so, typically when we
think about our fire problem, we're thinking about fire on natural landscapes weatherby forests or woodlands or shrublands. we sort of thought we solved the urban conflagration problem many years ago. many cities in the earlier centuries were taken out by wildfire. we -- through building codes, we thought we had solved some of that problem. but increasingly in the last decade, missing the occasional fire suite into an urbanized area. this is not the only example, but clearly the most devastating. we're seen fires sweep into an urbanized area in a manages to breach the boundary . we sometimes call this the wildland interface where naturally fire prone landscapes but developed neighborhoods.
we see it is possible under extreme weather conditions were we have high, dry winds, that these fires can actually penetrate the boundary and then become an urban structure the structure conflagration. so it is a very different type of fire. tend tot one that we know a lot about because they are relatively rare. there have been instances, like i said, and it appears they are becoming a little more common, so it is clearly something that we need to plan for and learn from so that we can do things differently in the future. moritz, your research suggests that we should learn to coexist with the fires. what exactly does that mean? historically, we have had a rocky relationship with fire.
historically, we depended on fire. we used it as a tool for landscape clearing. we have used it as a cooking tool forever. but as we have developed, we have sort of handed fire over to the professionals. we are less and less comfortable with fire and it is more and more of a threat. if you look at it, there are plenty of other natural hazards that we treat quite differently. we tend to fight fire. in between fires, we think of fighting the vegetation, in a sense. but for lots of other natural hazards, we have a different view. we sort of accommodate them. we treat them as inevitable. if you think about floods or landslides or earthquakes, which were nato's, and hurricanes -- tornadoes, and hurricanes. we're a different approach dow we deal with those. and it often involves claiming for them as inevitable, building
them into our land-use planning and are building codes. we have maps use for these other natural hazards. and often we avoid the most hazardous part of the landscape and we tend to try to concentrate development on the least hazardous parts of the landscape for other natural hazards. but for fire, we tend to not do that for a variety of reasons. many of us have argued that it is time to take a different view toward fire and try to coexist with it as a natural and inevitable process. i think events like this show was just how important that is. some of the lessons -- amy: what would you say to the president of the united states who is a climate change denier when it comes to the issue of these wild, urban fires and climate change? >> i think the urban fire problem is one that has a
separate set of causes and lessons that come from it. at the fire problem in general, the trends we have seen in increasing sizes and possibly intensities of fires throughout the west, there is conclusive evidence for a link to climate change. there are other factors that come into play depending on where you are talking about. there is a legacy of fire suppression. and so some places are probably burning more or more intensely because of that, that history of putting out fires. there are other places that have invasive species. the great basin and she grasped bringing fire into a place i did not have fires often. then humans developing the landscape and flooding it with ignitions at just the wrong time is another factor. it climate change is real and amongst those of us studying it, modeling it, looking at the trends am a we are confident there is good evidence to
support that link. the president is really being very naive and the administration, by not recognizing this as real. in the worse than that fire context or on top of that, it appears that the one of theion does administration's key solutions to this would be to log our way out of the problem. very few people studying fire or forest management, very few of us doing research in this area believe that timber harvesting, which has a certain set of goals and methods, that that equates to fire hazard reduction. there are very big differences between the way you are going about managing an ecosystem for fire hazard reduction and commercial timber harvest. so this idea that we can, through logging, somehow address
our fire problem, is very backwards and very outdated. amy: dr. max moritz, thank you for being with us, fire research scientist with the university of california cooperative extension based at uc santa barbara. we are north, we're in marin county near the fires in northern california. when we come back, we will talk with environmental leaders about what to do about climate change and where they're focusing their organization. stay with us. ♪ [music break]
centers like this one around the country. we are proud to broadcast from public television and read your stations around the united states and around the world. we end today's show with a roundtable discussion on what the environmental movement is focusing on now. we are joined by three guests. lindsey allen is executi action network. dallas goldtooth is an organizer with the indigenous environmental network. and may boeve is executive director of 350 action, the political arm of the climate organization 350.org. welcome all of you to democracy now! may, i want to begin with you because your family is from sonoma. talk about how you have an affected and what 350.org is doing right now. >> thank you, amy. it is nice to be here with this group this morning. mosta is the place i love in the world. i honestly did not think this kind of thing was ever going to happen there. i think about climate disasters alike. i very happy my family is safe.
of other people in sonoma, santa rosa, and napa, have joined the growing community of people around the world who are living through the worst impacts of climate change. we knew this would happen. we saw this coming. but our political system has been far too slow to respond. again, i'm just very grateful my family is ok. but my heart really goes out to this place and these people who shaped who i am. amy: what is 350.org doing about climate change? you just send out any melody or two ago, an urgent plea and demand. >> the good news is, we know how to stop this problem. we have known it for a long time. this thing that is standing in the way of action on climate change isn't that we don't know what the solution is. we actually do know what the solution is and we know exactly who is standing in the way -- the fossil fuel sector. a community groups on the ground all over the world have been effective at stopping coal
projects, as stopping pipelines, getting their communities to go 100% renewable energy. we just need more of it and that is what we are focused on across our global network. we believe this is what we need to do, we just have to do it quickly because the and tags are having and a cascade of speed. amy: lindsey allen, you just celebrated another year at rainforest action network. talk about what your group is doing, how it started, and what it is focused on now. rain forest action network. >> we started 30 years ago looking at how we could ensure that consumers were having less of a negative impact on rain forests, even if they were removed and they were not directly located there. so we found bank of america -- excuse me, that burger king was leading to deforestation and the amazon rain forest. people started showing up and protesting burger king. amy: why burger king? >> it was one of the companies
one we follow the money, follow the products, we knew that beef from the amazon rain forest was going in the hamburgers. people started protesting outside burger king. amy: because the cattle and the rain forest -- >> exactly. in order to have areas to graze, they were clearing and burning rain forest. the amazon, as we know, belongs of the earth so there is no reason to do that. that created our model where we really channel lunched the role that companies -- challenged the role that copies are having on environment and communities. what we're looking at is drawing the connection -- we were at this intersection between human deforestation. we know that forests can help us buffer against increased emissions that are coming from the burning of fossil fuels. we also know that the burning and clearing of forest makes climate change worse. we continue to follow the money.
we are found big banks are willing to finance six degrees of climate change. we need them to be on a 1.5 degrees trajectory for the world. what we're seeing is all around the world, people are going to banks and saying this is unacceptable. for the past couple of years, we've been working with friends of the earth france and with a local group in the gulf called save the rio grande valley from lng. they're working to stop the more liquefied natural gas export terminals that would allow fact gas to make its way out of the u.s. into global markets to make climate change worse, to make community health worse where fracking is happening. we said, who are the banks that are financing these massive projects? we found one of them was the largest bank in france, bnp paribas. the morning i woke last week during all of the alerts "stay
," i also got an alert that said bnp was committing to the strongest fossil fuel policy we have seen from a big bank. they have cut ties with tar sands oil. they have cut ties with coal mining and coal power, with fracking, and the fact gas export terminals we've been working on with partners in the gulf coast. amy: expelling was the envy -- explain what bnp is. locally, if you're familiar with bank of the west, it is connected. bnp paribas is their parent company. their parent company. they are the eight largest bank in the world. amy: dallas goldtooth, with the indigenous environment all network, you spent a lot of time in the last year at standing rock. as this year come at this moment, we are seeing the largest number of hurricanes
ever in recorded history in this country. i think the number is up to 10, the last one named is ophelia, which hurtled the furthest east in the atlantic than we've ever seen and hit ireland. you were participating in a protest a year ago warning about the catastrophic effects of climate change. you were participating and those protests at standing rock, north dakota, where indigenous people and their non-native allies are continuing to go to court for their protests. >> it is absurd that we're facing this time of extreme climate they also. you are fires. yet hurricanes. you flooding all across this world. yet mainstream society and news is not making the connection between these extreme events and climate change. i think for those of us that are on the frontlines of these five, we realize the extreme dangers of climate change because it is literally threatening the lives of a lot of indigenous people,
ocean dependent peoples. it is time for us to wake up and make some significant changes that some of the other organizations here have talked about and the work the ian does. and you just people have often been at the front of the struggles not only to protect the environment and land, but our rights to have a sacred relationship with mother earth itself and protect our right to self-determination. whether you're talking brother hurricanes in the gulf coast or or level rise up in alaska even talking about pipelines or even the fires and northern california, is often indigenous peoples and those areas who are also carrying a significant amount of weight. amy: talk about the land we are on right now. , in rent in marin county. -- we are in marin county. of us in santa rosa,
california, which just got , aimated by a massive fire tribe in the area, lots of trouble members have been displaced from their own territories because of fires. it is connected to people in the gulf goes they got hit by hurricanes weather in texas or louisiana. feeling the same emotions in the same loss, and saying this has to stop what we don't know how to do it. i think that is where the organizations that we work with are really raising alarms of --mate change are essential that are really raising alarms of climate change are essential. carrying the brunt of a lot of this climate chaos in an unfair way. amy: when hurricane harvey devastated houston, this was september 6, and irma was hurtling toward the united
states, already devastating parts of the caribbean, dan,dent trump went to man north dakota, to give a speech. he stood in front of an oil refinery. he was down the road where hundreds of indigenous people had been jailed and gone through house.dan court he talked about -- well, he basically boasted about pulling the u.s. out of the climate accord. he talked about how proud he was that they green lit the dakota access pipeline and the keystone xl pipeline. peopleid the indigenous were going to court today stand in mandan? in standing rock was the largest mobilization of indigenous resistance in living memory for a lot of our communities and northern america. -- at one point we were the six largest city in
north dakota. that is amazing to see the allyship. i know you are part of the arrests. amy: a year ago this week, the charges were dropped as the democracy now! team went there on labor day to cover the protests and i was arrested for our team filming. >> i think what we're seeing right now is just yesterday, there was a really absurd conviction that happen. there are so many cases happening in north dakota, they are pulling judges out of retirement to handle some of the caseload. one of the judges yesterday of our water protectors to time in jail, even though the state, the prosecutors asked for them not to be convicted. we're seeing an unfair court system in place in north dakota that is persecuting water
protectors whose only reason to be there is to protect water and to protect indigenous communities'right to self-determination. it is absurd we're in that position now. it makes sense because it is this trickle down. if you have a tyrant in the blind, who iso is willingly blind to the effects of climate change and the effects of the fossil fuel industry has on the land, it is when a trickle down. amy: you are all involved in these a protests. i'm wondering, may, very quickly, where you're focusing now? >> in the banks work, we're fossil phild on divestment. we've seen 520 and dollars in asset management made also free. million inseen $5 asset management just made fossil free. the financial sector is very sensitive to this kind of
pressure. that is what i'm glad we are working together on. amy: and the evidence of that? >> we're going after j.p. morgan chase. we know they are the number one finance europe the most extreme fossil fuels. every year we do a report card. many big banks are decreasing their investments in fossil fuel and their increasing. >> folks can be part of this divestment campaign. they can go online to check out the website for more information. a massive global divestment campaign that is ongoing. amy: we want to thank you all for being with us. lindsey allen, dallas goldtooth, and may boeve. that does it for our show. i will be speaking at marin and one gonzalez is speaking at princeton university. special thanks to our crew here at the community media center of marin. damion brown, michael damion brown, michael row amenger, jill lessard, megan
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