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constitution hasn't changed. but the poll numbers have. >> there's a big question mark on your head, and you can't do that to the party. >> cruz defending his eligibility to be president, and attacking trump's so-called new york values. >> not a lot of cononrvatives come out of manhattan. i'm just saying. >> when the world trade center came down, i saw something that no place on earth could have handled more beautifully, more humanely than new york. today ted cruz is one on then -- >> i think he's been the most polarizing president we've had in our lifetime. house speaker paul ryan responds to president obama's state of the union speech, and lays out the gop agenda for 2016. a "fox news sunday" exclusive.
close to call. . week." >> what's it like managing donald trump all right now op "fox news sunday." and we begin with breaking news. three of the four americans released by iran have been flown out of the country. a fifth american was released separately. at the same time, international sanctions by iran have been lifted and billions in iranian sets released as market of the landmark nuclear deal. we'll get reaction from ted cruz in a moment, but first more from kathryn. though secretary of state says it was never tied to a successful nuclear deal. >> whilethe two tracks of
related -- and they were not -- there is no question that the pace and the progress of the humanitarian talks accelerated in light of the relationships forged and the diplomatic channels unlocked. arrested in 2014 and convicted of spying by a freed court, the freed americans inclulung after the new brob, abedini's wife spoke cautiously about the family's relelf. >> it just seems surreal. it came at a time i was not expecting. it just seem real until be see him, but i notice it's real. >> thehe prisoner exchange came just after sanctions were lifted, freeing of tens of
opening global markets to iran's massive oil and gas serves. a congressional source briefed on the intelligence says iran is hosting at least three ameririans, and some of the names are not publicly released. joins me is senator ted cruz. welcome back to "fox news sunday." >> chris, good to be with you. thehe breakingg news, iran has released those four americans, at least three have cleared iranian airspace and the iran nuclear deal went into effect, which means the u.s. and other estern countries have started lifting sanctions releasing billions to iran. what's your reaction to both? >> well, listen, praise god the prisoners are coming home, in particular millions of believers across the world have been lifting up pastor saeed abedini in prayer.
jason rezaian, amir hekmati, the fourth individual. >> i spoke briefly to pastor saeed's wife, and we're all very grateful he's coming. but at the same time this deal is a problematic deal, and it reflects a pattern we have sese in the obama administration over and over again of negotiating with terrorists, and making deals and trades that endanger u.s. safety andndsecurity. this deal has a lot of deals in common with the bowe bergdahl deal. someone now facing court-martial, we released five. and to bring back americans wrongly imprisoned, we release seven terroriss who helped iran with their nuclear program and agreed not to prosecute another 14 terrorists for doing the same thing. that's 21 terrorists helping
that they intend to use to try to murder us. i think it's a very dangerous precedent. the result of this, every bad actor on earth has been told go capture a a american. if yoowant terrorists out of the jail, capture an american and president obama is in the let's make a deal business. that's a dangerous precedent. it wasn't the only deal we had with iran. iran's revolutionary guard seized ten u.s. navy sailors, and released this video showing those sailors on their knees. here was yoo reaction at the first debate. >> i give you my word, if i'm elected president, no serviceman or woman will be forced to be on our knees, and nation that captured or men and women will be feel the full force of america. the iranians did r rease the sasaors in 14 hours, you still would release what you call the
military against iran for that incident? >> let's be clear. any nation that captures or military officers, captures or soldiers should face serious repercussions. the reason iran feld free to do that and mu hillate t t soldiers -- >> i'm not saying it was right, but they were rear leased in 14 hours. you still would have taken -- >> but the only reason they were seized is becaussof the weakness of barack obama. the obama/clinton foreign policy leading from behind, our enemies are laughing at us. the days after seizing our sailors and parading them on television to humiliate them, look those images were propaganda from comenu. within hours, they were profusely thanking comenu for letting our sailors go after they wrong le captured them and
billion to comenu? khomeini khomeini? >> there is good news. the fastest thing that can change with a new president is foreign policy. hostages were released the first day that ronald reagan was in president. here's how you said you would handle another threat. >> we will have a president who will make clear wewill utterly destroy isis. we will carpet bomb them into oblivion. >> senator, carpet bombing against isis would never work. isis is embedded in civilian populations in major cities, and if i may, i want to put up this stement here by bob scales, he's one of the leading u.s. military -- former head of the
carpet bombing is a phrase that somebody with no military experience throw around. >> i will apologizee to no one. with how vigorous i will be. te will start by having a president willingngto acknowledge ur enemy, say it by its name. and you want to know what it means? yesterdada is the 20th anniversary of the beginning of "operation desert storm." our air force has dropped in half. in 1991, 529 ships,s, todod 272. it's dropped nearly in half. in 1991, we had over a third more soldiers in our army, and we weje launching 1100 air attacks a day. we were carpet bombing them. after 37 days of 1100 air attacks a day, on troops went in in a day and a half and mopped
you knowwwhat we're doing now? between 15 and 30. >> first of all military people will tell you we didn't carpet bomb in kuwait, in the gulf wa that we did precision striking.g. in addition, if i may, the iraqi army was all massed by itself in the kuwaiti desert. we're now talking about isis soldrs who are not massed, they were embedded in mosusu embedded in raqqah with civilians. if i may, sir, let me hold on -- >> if you're going to make a respond, let me spond. >> i would like to ask about some of your votes and not the rhetoric. >> if you're going to make a point, let me respond to it. >> go ahead, sir. >> right now our rules of engage innocent, 15, 20 attacks, it's photo op foreign policy. we're not taking out the oil feels, for example we saw railroads reports about jihadist universities. why isn't't that building rubble? we're not using overwhelming airpower?
we have about)200 right now fighting against isis. theeifference is we do not have directed concentrated effort, because this president pretends like this enemy doesn't exist, like these are isolated lone olves. he gives the state of the union, that is a state of the denial, gosh, isis is a bunch of guys in pickup trucks, no they are a serious rrorist force. we can defft them, but can't if the president is unig to do so. as president i will defeat isis. i will utterly destroy them, and it takes a commander in chief direct are our forces to do that. let's talk about your report you have ted last three years in a row about the defense authorization attacac. whililyou attack president obama for failing to observe the red line and go after assad for the use of is it chemical weapons, back in 2013 you opposed giving the president that authority.
you want to talk about the nda or syria? >> i think they are both of a pattern, sir. no -- well, let's talk about them one at a time. in syria, my view of foreign policy, every use of military power should be directed to the vital nationana security interests of america. the problem with syria, when president obama wanted to engage in a unilateral attack, i kept an open mind at first, let's here the commander in chief tell us how thihi advances our vital national security. president obama was unable to do so. they vacillated between for instance of incoherence the juan oint john kerryry said i iwas to launch a small attack. essentially a press release. that doesn't make any sense. the question i asked over and over again in public hearings and in private hearings was if you succeed, if you topple assad assad.
terrorists from taking over syriri >> sir, i want to interrupt, and i very respectfully, but i want to cover some more ground. so your answer is you didn't think it was effective. . >> it would have hurt or interests to give syria to isis. it hurts u.s. national security interests. >> but you supported -- you opposed giving him the authority to observeehe red line. >> but why? >> if i -- well, what about the three times in a row that you voted against the defense authorization act. >> that's an altogether separate >> i understand. together. so i have voted against it, because when i campaigned for senate, i promised the people of texas i would not support a defense authorization act that has within it language authorizing the indefinite u.s. soil. i have supported over and over again withheach defense
amendment that mike lee and dianne feinstein have done that said if you're arrested, you're entitled to to what the constitution gives us and unfortunately the senate keeps blocking that amendment. >> and protecting an aaron accused i aiding terrorism is more important than authorizing the u u of the military of the united states? >> honoring a promise i made to the men and women who elected me is my first obligation. it's what i've done every day, do whaha i said i wouou dodo >> and that's more important than authorizing money for the military? >> by the way, chris, the defense authorization actt each one i have introduced amendments adopted into that bill. i have worked actively on the defense authorization act. i would like to support it at the end if they would add the proteteion for the civillights of amamicans, i would support it in a heartbeat and note one amendment i introduced to the nda that passed into law was in december a year ago.
that the soldidis murdered at ft. hood by has san would receive the purple heart. the obama pentagon fought tooth and nail against me, yet i was proud to get the support of both democrats and republicans. we passed that legislation over a year ago. last april i was in ft. hood. to each of the families and soldiers i said thank you for yourselves and sacrifice, and i'm sorry it took over five years for your country to acknowledge you were fighting terrorists. you've taken some real hitss ff your attacks ononald trump and the so-called new york values. i don't know if you've had a xlans to see them, because you've been on the campaign trail. here iss "new york post." they says cruz missiles and quote rudy giuliani as saying the country had gotten over this knee-jerkk reaction against new york.
and another -! "slime doesn't pay, ted." your reaction? >> these are certainly amusing, amusing say the media lead in new yorkand d.c. run around with their hair on fire wondering what on earth new york values? in south carolina when i was there, the people there certainly understand it. and you know what is rticular -- >> you know what is particularly curious, chris? is that formulation didn't come from me. it came from donald trump. donald trump, when he was being interviewed by tim russert, sxlak his views a number of years ago. >> 1999. >> he explained in his views that he was pro-choice, he supported partial birth abortion, open to gay marriage, and his explanation, i'm a new yorker, i'm from manhattan. those are the views of new york. thy're not iowa values, but
so that was donald's over explanation of what new york values are. it's how he articulated it. it strikes me as curious that he is displayeduchoutrage that anyone would even acknowledge that there's a particular political view -- and i would point out it's a view echoed by far left liberal democratic politicians like andrew cuomo, bill de blasio, hillary clinton, and donald trump has supported those candidates and supported their positions on a lot of issues. >> one final questionon and ass i say we're just running out of time, you condemn the washington cartel, which you call the lobbyists and politicians who rig the game. i wwt to ask you about one of your rereent acts as a senator. you voted last month not to add month for the crop insurance program, but then you sitched your vote and decided to add the money three minutes ater. take a look.
mr. cruz, aye. >> senator, isn't that exactly the kindd of game that the washington cartel playay >> you know, chris, i appreciate you passing oncampaign hits, and so i went up initially voting one way, believing we were voting on cloture, and when i voted that way,pat roberr made a comment about crop insurance, and i was puzzled, because what i believed i was voting on concerns the import/exporor bank, not crop insurance. and i went back to the team and said what went wrong? and the team apologized and said they switched the vote. >> pat rober, very highly rereected, senator off the agriculture committee, says that's not the way it happened, he came up and tried to get you to change your vote, and explains andaid this would
>> pat said it was about crop insurance, because my state of briefings said it was about -- you often have votes and they change the votesessometimes, so my staff h h gotten it rong, they briefed me on the wrong report. i said, wait a second, i didn't know i was voting on crop insurance, and the vote is open, so i said what exactly is this? >> you're saying you didndn ange your mind? >> i didn't change my mind. we want that immediately. this is onef the sort of political games where we said immediately we said look it was a mistake on our papat, we understood the order of the votes, and we voted the way i always intended to. senator, thank you for your time. we'll be in iowa, and i h he to see you on the campaign trail so we can talk about more subjects. >> i look forward to. next our sunday group to discuss the release of the american prisoners, just as the west starts to implement that landmark nuclear deal. plus what do you think -- is the deal with iran good or bad
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nuclear deal with iran, the same day the two countries agreed to a prisonererswap. joining us is jerome will, carol lee, karl rove and charles lane. kar what release of these four americans, hos call them. >> i think it's a good thing they were released. we paid a high price, seven pardoned, 14 not prosecuted, but americans are coming home. frankly it's obscuring a bigger issue. that is secretary kerry said this marks the start of a safer worldld why could we believev that? they've tested ballistic missiles in apparent violation.
paraded them for propaganda purposes. even on the eve of the secretary of state's statements, they were engaged in a debate about the nature of the centntfuges that iran is allowed to develop. we're already arguing about whether they can go as far as they think they can go. this is theheirst day of a very long, bad period in which the iranians will take this deal and run with it. >> carol, i want to ask you about what senator cruz said and some of the other republican candidatee which is basically we traded terrorists, iranian terrorists -- he said i'm not sure they're terrorists, but certainly bad actors on iran's part, some of them convicted for crimes for violating the sanctions for four american hostages. at the white house, which you cover, is there some sensitivity to that ssue? >> well, their argument is that this --hey needed to shown act of good faith to get the
list of iranians that were held in the u.s. that iran gave to them, and they chose these seven becamely because they were not charged with terrorism or any sort of violence. i think the question now particucurly for this president going forward is where this relationship goes from here. you've had three successes the white house has viewed this week, the release for the ilors quickly, the iran nuclear deal being complemented and the relationship westbound tested. gull forward is the two goerz have to end the flicks in syria, and second what iran does with this roughly $100 billion and how much mischief they make in the world. >> george, i believe that relations that are complicated will grow even more complicated. we saw that this week. we got the release of those ten
seized, then they were released. western sanctions against iran have been lifted, and now we've had the release of the four american hostages. what do you make of this relationship? >> well, there's a temptation to alway see a patter in a flurry of events, which is always rememeer to the rooster crows and sun rises, therefore the crowing of the rooster caued the sun to rise. i'm not sure how these are related. there clearly seems to be some relationship, but then you go back a week and people say, well, it was really clever of the iranians to seize that ip -- we don't ow whether the ship had engine trouble, we don't know if offense a navigation error or bad decision, we don't know how it got there in the first place. mr. kerry has decided to construe this as proof that
negotiating the nuclear accord are paying off. we shall see. he also says this proves the power of diplomacy. it is always work if there's an asymmetry of desire. finally there's a tempsation here, and echo of a cold war that we're trying to maneuver between the hawks and doves in the kremlin and now the hawks and doves in tehran. i don't know. the supreme leader is supreme, he's not mortal. we'll cee regime change of some sort in iran, a a until then it remains very opaque. >> and regime change -- it doesn't necessarily mean regime change. you could still havee a theocracy. >> when you have a regime dominated so much by one man, when you change the leader, you change the rrime. is there a roller coaster we
some things that please us like the quick release of the sailors, the not so quick rereease of these four hostages, but on the other hand they continue, as karl says, to violate the agreement. they've tested ballistic weapons, and in some ways, you know, we are as d dturbed by ththir actions as ever. >> yes, and i would add that the iranians did something very clever in the midst of all of this, which is make a huge orderr for airplanesrom union, the airbus planes. >> they announced that yesterday. >> they're already working to divide u.s. interests from european interests with an eye on the futureof anan kind of sanctions that might be supposedly snapped back under this agreement. another group of people eyeing with are the sunni arab states -- saudi i arabia, the gulf arabs, and turkey, which isn't
allllong a threat to the region and source of instability. all the mischief that iran is up to, karl mentioned the ballistic missiles, but those countries i just mentioned are worried about hewitt houthis in yemen and other issues. john kerry would say the deal on nukes makes it more manageable. i don't think the saudi will agree, and iran will is billions now in that i coffers, and people are saying they'll end up using it to create more mischief. that's a nice word for it. >> the only newew on that score is the low oil price. iran will not be able to get maximum revenues right away. we'll have to take a break and see you all later. up nene paul ryans on the gop agenda heading into a big
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working on t t agenda. we spoke to him on friday just after the party retreat wrapped up. mr. speaker, welcome back to "fox news sunday." >> hey, thanks for having me. good morning, chris. >> you say you want congressional republicans to be the proposition party, not just the opposition party. i know you'll be addressing a number of topics this y yr like the economy, like national security, but did you agree at all on an agenda at any specific proposals atthis retreat? > yes, five basic areas we'll be working on, li you said jobs, the economy, national seserity, poverty andnd upward mobility, restoring the constitution, making sure that we get government back to the separation of powers in our constituteon and replacing obama obamacare with patient-centered health care and deallg with the entitlement issues.
but this is something we're working from the bottom hp. this is not a top-down process. this a bottom-up process. and their constituents forming this agenda. so it's way too soon to get into the specifics. we'll be rolllng this out in the spring before we eventually ve a nominee. >> now, there is reportedly a big difference in strategy between you and senate republican leader mcconnell. you want to pass specific legislation on x reform, on replacing obamacare. leader mcconnell supposely want to protect his members who are seeking reelection from any tough votot. how have youevolved that? or have you reis solved it? >> this agenda will not be passed, president obama is present. our goal is to say here is what we will do in 2017 if the country gives us the authority to do this.
republican president. you can pass. it's an agenda to pass with the republican president, and it's perfectly consistent with where well. >> let's talk about the current president. you asset behind president obama during this wek's state of the union address and your wife jana reportedly told you she didn't your head. you have to practice your poker face. the speech is over, the poker face is ovov. what did you think of what the president had to say, and why did you think he degraded the presidency in the speech? >> i think he's political, and strongman argugunts, he affixes views that they do not have only to try to win the debate in an tellectually lazy way. i ink's been the most popoarizing presidenttwe've had in my lifetime and i think he
mistake, and i think it was a fairl partisan and political speech. i don't think he can help it. i thinkhe's always in this campaign mode. i think he just sees the world as what he wishes it would be, not what it is, and that makes for tunnel vision for president. let's talk about a specific issues, ten yemeni prisoners were transferred from guantanamo, bringing the total at gitmo to under 100. last sunday on this show, the white house chief of stat denis mcdonough said if congress doesn't close gitmo, the president will. take a look. >> we will close gitmo. it's bad for our national security, and because it's too costly. the president feels an obligation to his successor to close that. that's why we're ing to do it. >> congress has repeatedly barred the president from doing that, but what if he goes ahead, when they certainly indicated as
>> i watched that interview live last week, and i just kept shaking my head. there they go again. it's like they don't think the cocotitution matters anymore, the executive it make it up as it goes. the law is really clear. even theresident's attorney general acknowledged the law is the law. the e esident can't do that. the the president cannot send these prisoners to the state. he -- by the way, chris, the law banning the transfer of get moe detainees to america was put into law by democrats in congress and has been in law ever since and signed in as recently as december. so, look, he can send whatever he wants to congress, but the law is the law. i would be amazed if he will then carry out orders that they know are breaking the law. this is just another chapter in
trying to make it up as he goes. and so, look, if he tries to break the law, he'll be called for trying to break the law. >> that's 9 point. you and republican leaders said about obamacare, and same thing about the temporary amnesty for illegals. if he goes ahead and does it, can you stop him? >> lookat detainees. two points. number one, are they going back on the battlefield? shouldn't we be more worried about our national security than him keeping a a 2008 campaign promise? two -- amnesty, he was doing something we believed was unconstitutional, so what did we do? we found t best way forward to prevent that from happening. they went in and sued the administration, and he didn't get the executive amnesty. it's not happening because we were successful.
forward we can come up to get the best result, which is to stop him from doing it. >> you keep talking about "we," but there's obviously a speakers splipt win the ranks, one of the reasons you are now speaker, because speaker boehner was forced out, and some of the morse rd-line conservatives are upset that some of the people before you, including boehner, have raised the debt limbings have passed a budget and in effececlost your leverage, which raises the question, when the budget runs out next september, are you preparing to wield the power of the purse which means shutting down e government, to push your policies? >> what is most important is we have an appropriations process that functions. what was really dysfunctional, and there's lots offblame to go around was that we piled up all the appropriations, which is supposed to be broken um to a big omnibus bill.
that's why we're starting the budget process a month and a half ahead of time this year, having 12 separate bills, so we doe a big shutdown moment. 12 separate appropriation billll regulararorder, the way the founders intended it, and the senate will follow sue. it will be using the polyer of the more moreeffececively, and that's why we're off to a good start do you that. nikki haley gave the official gop response to president obama this week. in that response, she criticized donald trump. rush limbaugh and a lot of conservatives took off after you and said there was an efforor by gop establishment to stop trump. take a look at hallie and then limbaugh. >> during anxious times it can be tempting to follow the siren call of the angriest voices. we must resist that temptation.
establishment, the firewall in south cbrolina where the establishment is going to put the brakeke on and bring alal this trump stuff to a screeching halt. >> mr. speaker, how do you plead? >> look, i read her speech the day bev she gave it. it was a great speech. she wrote it just like i wrote my own in 2011. i wasn't thing anyone in particular particular. i wasn't thinking donald trump. this is a good messssge to unified movement, and go to the country with a positive message that unifies. i think we win if we unify. i wasn't thinking of any one particular individual when s s made that address. >> finally, you seem to have per effected your poker face for the state of the union. i wonder, could you give that same l lk again? i'd like to see what the poker face looks like. >> you know, it's really hard to do. i just had to stare at the back of his head -- look, i don't
i'm fairly expressive, i'm an arisch guy and i can't do it on command. >> just five seconds. okay. there. how's that? >> thatfuls two seconds. briefly. how does -- >> try doing it for an hour and 15 minutes. >> how does your wife say you id? >> s s thought i passed the test. >> mr. speaker, thank you, safe travels, and we'll see you back here in washington. >> thanks, chris. take care. up next, the latesolls show bernie sanders is gaining on hillary clinton. our sunday group handicaps a coronation that's turning into a contest. plus, what wouldldyou likeo ask the panel about the tightening democratic race? just go to facebook or
air. marco rubio. he ran for senate saying he opposed amnesty... then he flipped, and worked with liberal uck schumer to co-author the path to citizenship bill. he threatened to vote against it. and then voted for it. he supported his own dream act and then he abandoned it. marco rubio. just another washington politician you can't trust. jeb bush. he's a leader, so you always know where he stands. right to rise usa
in this country to bring forth a potical revolution where millions of people stand up and say enough is enough. >> he wants to roll medicare, medicaid, the children's health insurance program into a national system and then turn it over to the states to administer. now, if that's the kind of revolution he's talking g about, i am worried, folks. >> hillary clinton and bernie sanders sharpening their attacks, as it's suddenly turned into a real
contest. as we say the democraticc race is tightening across the country. here is the latest real clear politics average of recent polls. you can see clinton leads sander by 8 1/2 points down dram lick. in iowa, clinton's lead is down to two points in at least one
sanders continues to clint i by six points. a month ago it
seemed like she nomination. what happened? >> there's a lot of enthusiasm mon democrats for something different. he's tacked into that. it's cutting into her advantage. it's coming down to basically a race between enthusiasm and organization. the interesting thing about bernie sanders he has enthusiasm, but it's unclear he has the organization. that remains to be seen in what happens in iowa and new hampshire. >> and in particular whethth he has the organization after those two states. we got this on facebook from steve norton. he writes -- why do at new york/d.c. experts say he can't win.
over overtake -- karl? >> thereres not enough johnson county, iowas around the country and keene new hampshire. these are liberal bath onof- in iowa, a college town in iowa, it's a college town in new hampshire. look, bernie sanders is likely to win both of these. if you take a look alternate -- even in iowa, where hillary clinton and the real clear politics average lead by four points, she -- if you -- there's one poll, which was done using automated telephone devices, giving her a 21-point lead. all the polls in january average out to a on.60.6 lead. it's collapsing not just because he has the excitement. it's because she's old and tired, and he seems to be fresh and liberaa the fact of the matter is,
becomes tough for him. there's not places as liberal to sustain him. when you get to south carolina or nevada, you get a lot more african-americans, a lot more latinos, and a lot fewer liberal wackos.. >> theyeye americans too, karl. there increasingly seems to be this ballots. take a look. >> i'm not bringing a sue, i romise, but the democrats arere going to bring a lawsuit. you have to have certainty. >> i'm not going to be taking legal advice from donald trump. >> you don't have to. >> george have you wrapped your head around the idea that the likely nominee is ether donald trump or ted cruz. >> i think it's too early. they can't win with trump, they can't win without trump supporters, so the big question
wiwi donald trump underperform his polls? iowa doesn't have a great record of picking the republin nominee. new hashire likes to go, i think south carolina is the place to look. trey gowdy, a member of congress, he has endorsed rubio. senator tim scott has not endorsed anyone yet, ither has governor haley. chris christie says it will not come down to two in a hurry, but a final four with its own march madness, what he thinking will happen is you have trump and cruz sustain for a while, you'll have he thingcrist and rubio, and then it will be sorted out preference christie. a, he's a governor, he notes that four governors have endorsed so far, 2 haven't. christie says that wilil prrel him. >> i can hear some of our
in denial about what's going on. i say that respectfully. >> i'm in denial. >> chuck, how do you see the reparation? >> the new development for me was the clashes between cruz and trump who had previously treated each other with kid gloves i think on net, i would give the advantage to cruz slightly, because he was the first guy to flummox donald trump, leave him speechless in that exchange about the so-called birther issue. he is the first guy to get underr trump's skin, to make him act defensively, and we have seen the first shade of vulnerability -- even though trump did well in that debate,
truru, the first crack in his ven deer. >> we we have about a minute left. there's four so-callele establiiment candidates, you can see them there, rubio, christie, bush, kasich. of those four, who has the advantbge right now? >> if you look at the polls, in iowa rubio is running third. and i believe trump leads modestly in the real clear politics average, in new hampshire it's a lot less clear. rupe i don't, cruz and kasich all bunched, and if you at christie and bush into it, they're all w wthin 4 1/2points. given the nature of the average, that means it's a dead too is for third. >> a name or not? >> i'm not. i think -- new hampshire will be the key to make this a slimmer field.
donald tbump? >> that's a a tough question. nobody manages mr. trump. i equate this to being a jockey on the greatest racehorse you have ever seen, maybee american pharoah. >> when he gets on the stage, do you know what's going to happen? >> i don't think anybody does. theyunder estimate the organization. notiti the state didictor in iowa is chuck laud ner, who helped rick an tomorrow win. >> we have our faith in chuck. this is a super bowl for chuck. christmas and the super bowl combined.
>> it's fundamentally wrong, thoye who waited six hours in line for a one-hour reply wall rally aren't going to walk in and say i'm sporting -- i just don't believe it. >> do you ever tell him no? >> he asks for advice, and we tell him no all the time and he listens, but you're selective. yoy choose the right places to insese yourself. sometimes he holds me back, which is good. he has tremendous energy, the opposite of jeb bush. he has tremendous energy. going all the time, and he does have a good vision for politics. >> corey admits he's an energy junkie. he even has a ll of shame with has dropped ute. how did he get into politics? >> i was 6 years old, heard
military, stronger government. i don't know who that is, but i like that guy. >> why in college he ran for state reprprsentative, then there was a stint working on capitol hill and for the rnc, but over the last 15 years he moved away from the gop establishment. >> at the end of the day nothing is getting done. >> hi four years as a new hampshire state policeman. i arrest people for boating while intoxicated. it was a great job, and theyy paid me to do this. >> and in 2011, he debated a cardboard cutout of new hampshire's governor about tax. aa of which has some people saying donald trump's campaign manager is a lot like him. >> watching him in action, and that's what drives us every day. he will not be outworked, there successful in this endeavor. >> he's been called a bomb