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candidates make their final pitch. the day that two gop frontrunners, donald trump and ted cruz. you get 30 seconds to respond to me. >> your q qstion was you disagreed -- >> you don't get 30 seconds. >> today, senator cruz is here for round two. >> i know you like to argue about the rules, but we're going to conduct it -- >> if you ask one more main question, i may have to leave the stage. >> ted cruz from des moines, iowa. >> then -- >> look at the camemes. >> donald trump boyoytts the fox debate. but will it hurt him at the caucuses? >> will i get more votes? will i get less votes? nobody knows. who the hell knows? we raised ovv $5 million in one day. >> trump shows up on fox news sunday. and our panel analyzes trump's gamble, the democratic dead heat and hillary clinton's escalatatg e-mail problem.
edition of "fox news sunday." you are look at the iowa state capital set atop a hill here in downtown des moines, it's the only five dome capital in the country. and hello again from fox news. we're broadcasting today from the rotunda inside thhcapitol building. and if you're wonldering eringwondering as we dshgs that bell is from the uss iowa. we begin with breaking news. with the first american setetto starar voting for president tomorrow night, the race here in iowa is still up for grabs. take a look at the final iowa poll from the demoin register. dodold trump now leads senator ted cruz by five points with only four candidates in double digits. and check out the movement from the last iowa poll just three weeks ago. trump and marco rubio are up. cruz and dr. ben carson have dropped. on the democratic side, it's still tight between hillary
sanders. just three points separating them inside theolls margin of error. in a few minutes, we'll talk with the two frontrunners in the gop race, donald trump and ted cruz. but first, we have fox team coverage onhe final frantic days of campaigning. let's start with fox news chief political correspondent carl cameron who isack republicans. carl? >> hi, chris. a stunning 45% in that des moines register poll say they could still change their minds in the republican caucuses tomorrow night. that has donald trump and rest of the republican field able to takekenothing for granted. >>, so jerry, you're my friend for life. >> thank you, don. >> trum was joined by jerry fallwell jr. last flight to bolster his position with n vervetetves and for the rst time in months, down play his polling lead to get out his vote. >> it all doesn't matter if you don't caucus on monday. the polls don't matter. nothing matters.
the poo that's going to be taken on monday. >> reporter: trump continues to question cruz's itizenship. likewise, cruz runs attack ads against rubio while boasting about his momentum against trump. >> where we are right now this race is a dead heat. it is neck and neck. now it is effectively a two-man race. >> reporter: under fire, cruz fires back with a double barrel. >> a vote for marco rubio is a vote for amnesty. a vote for donald trump is a vote for obamacare. >> reporter: $70 million of television ads have run in iowa, mainly negateve. >> it doesn't feel like he's feeling too good. sosods like he's under a lot of pressure and not reacting very well. that is problematic, presidents are under pressure every day. >> reporterand the pressure is mounting for the caucus tomorrow night. the record turnout is 122,000 people for the republican
that was in the last election in 2012. mostst projectns and models suggest it will be a bigger turn out, perhaps as much as 160,000. but there is snow predicted tomorrow night, chris. >> carl, thank you. now to the tight democratic race. just a day before the iowa caucuses, hillary clinton is in full damage control. after the state department revealed they can't release private e-mails because they contain top secret material. ed henry has the latest on the investigation and how it's affecting the campaign. >> good to see you, chris. last may hillary clinton had a 41-point lead in at same bloomberg-"des moines register" poll. she is in a dead heat with the democratic senator bernie sanders. she has bn e-mail problem that won't go away. a looming fbi investigation and the obama administration now confirming there were 22 top
serveter. on the ground i'm seeing clinton getting f f smaller crowds than sanders and to rally the base in the final hours, she's stressing experience, close ties to presidentbama while sand serz getting obama-sized crowds. 3500 screaming students last night at the university of eye ichlt the eye ichlt the question is will sanders get obama-sized turnout from 2008? >> we like progress. that's what i believe in. what we need is aplan and commitment and me, yes. thank you. whether we began the mpaign, we were 3% in the national polls. here in iowa, it is virtually tied! >> we are going to make american history on monday night. >> reporter: the surest sign yet
is the fafa that her staff is now negotiating with sanders' staff on adding up to four more democratic debates. that is a far cry from when she was front-runner. >> ed, thanks for. that we're joined now by texas senator ted cruz who has been locked in a fierce battle for weeks to win the iowa caucuses. senator, welcome back to fox news sunday. >> thank you, chris. let's start with the new des moine register poll@three weeks ag you were beating trump by three points, now you're trailing by point swing iowa caucuses and in a statistical dead heattfirst place. if yoyo told me ten months ago we were here, he would have been thrilled it with. right now this is all about turnout. this is all about who shows up tomorrow nht at 7:00 p.m. and we're focused on if conservatives come out, we'll
the old reagan coalition come evangelicals and libertarians and reagan democrats. ffaen c cservatives come out, we're going to win tomorrow. >> donald trump is hitting you on several fronts. and here's what he had to say in an interview we did last night. take a look. >> he's got a situation where he didn't disclose goldman sachs. he didn't disclose citi bank. dent dis he didn't disclose to a lot of people he was born in canada. >> between all that and the fact you oppose the very popular ethanol mandate in iowa, are you in danger of lsing a conservrvive state that w wld seem perfectly made for you and even you admitted that if trump were to win iowa and new hampshire, he might become unstpable? >> you know, chris i have to say, donald looks rattled there. a month ago he was singing my praises everywhere. now he is frantic.
a month ago. >> i still am. what he is doing is insulting me every day and attacking me. he owes billions of dollars to a company because we put life savivis into thesenana. he knono that is flat out false. the loans were disclosed. >> what do you mean he owes -- force. >> if you look at his financial disclosure, he owes billions. by the way with,h,loans when heidi and i take loans, we pay them back. donald declared bankruptcy four times. and so for him to sitp there oeg hundreds of millions or billions or who knows and to criticize heidi andnde for putting our entire net worth into the
it is nothonest. specially because the loans were disclosed at the time. they were filed on the wrong form. i filed on the senate form rather than the fec form. here's the important point. donald is engaging in daily insults. i'm not responding in kind. i have not insued him. >> you just said he owes half a billion dollars. >> that's not insult, that's a fact. he's attacking me on this loan and he has said, you didn't play that quote, but that i'm corrupt and oenld bywned about it banks. he called me a cananaan a achor babey. that's fine. he's entitled to do that. there's a reason he's engaging in personal insults. he doesn't want to talk about the issues. he doesn't w!nt to talk about the substance. the same reason he skipped the iowa debate becauseis record is inconsistent. >> as you know, we have an interview we did last night. i play that clip of you saying he's trying to hide his record. i want to drill -- >> let'ss take a second on the record then. let's not just have the insults.
>> all i'm saying is we confront him on that record. >> well, for example, on obamacare, donald trump supports expanding obamacare to make it full on socialized medicine like bernie sanders. you have hillarycare, obamacare and trumpcare. if donald trump selected president, the federal government is in charge of our health care. that's his position right now. it is identical to hillary clinton. >> i want to drill down into cruz care. there is a statement you made aboututobamacarere that got a lot of attention since the debate. here it is. >> we have seen now in six years of obamacare that it's been a saster. it is the biggest job kille in this country, millions of americans have lost their jobs and have been fofoed intoart time work, have lost their health insurance, have lost their doctors, have seen their premiums skyrocket. >> but senator, the fact checkers say you're wrong. since that law wee intoto effect, the unemployment rate fell from
were created and 16.3 million peoplpl who were previously uninsured now have coverage. don't get me wrong, there are plenty of problems with obamacare. but more people have jobs and health insurance than they did befofoe obamacare. >> chchis, the media fact checkers are not fair and impartial. they are liberal, editorial journalists. they made it their mission to defend -- >> there's certainly no question that more peoplelehave jobs and more people have health insurance. >> yes, there is question. number one, we have the lowest percentage of americans working today dhan any year since 1977. that's faktct. >> but there are 13 million jobs created, sir. >> the fact is that from 2008 to today, we've seen economic growth of 1.2% on average. chris, d d't interrupt me. i'llllive an answer -- >> that's changing the subject. 13 million new jobs created. >> and that is an historically slow rate of job creation if you
previous year. obama is the first president ever to have a year of 3% economic growth. millions of people in this country are hurting. one of the problems is you've got the ite, the shington elitetethe rich have gotten richerrich er er unde obama. but working men and women are hurting. and i'll tell yoyo you know, representing texas, one of the things i do whether i go home and smoest small business roundtables. i bring together 20, 30 small business owners and say share what is on your heart. share what you're thinking about and praying about. i have never done a small business table where at least half the small business owners didn't list obamacare as the single biggest obstacle they're facing. millionssf americans have lost their jobs and the people have been forced into part time work. or lost their health care or doctors or seen the premiums skyrocket. >> let's talk about your alternative, what you say you
obamacare, how you would replace it. this is what you listed in the debate. sell health insurance across ststte nes, exexnd health saving accounts, make insurance portable so that can you take it with you if you switch jobs. conservative think-tanks say those are good ideas. they also say they would have noo effect i i giving people who are now uninsured health coverage. >> well, that's simply not the case. so, for example, the biggest barrierer to access is cost. if you nt more people covered, what you want is lower costs. why don't you have health insurance, they say, gosh, i can't afford it. allowing people to purchase health insurance across state lines tould create a true 50-state national marketplace. that would drive down the cost and expand the availability of low cost catastrophic coverage. >> but, sir, the congressional budget office on partisan, the national center for policy analysis certainly not a left wing group have both said that kind of selling insurance across
effect in expanding access. >> i canan speak to what they canan say. what i can tell you is if you want more people to have choices, you want more choices and lower costs. that's what gives people health insurance. you want fewer choiceses andnd higher cost it's you don't want them to have insurance. for example, president obama told the american people that under obamacare the average family's premium was drop $2500. fact, the average family's premiums have risen ,000. real money that you can't provide for your family. this law is a as i travel the country, wrefr i go, i talk to people. >> we're runningngut of time. you guys groed ten minutes. i just want to ask you two more questions. nobody doubts there are problems with obamacare. i just want to explore those issues with you. >> happy. to.
the bate is that the other candidates disagreed with you sharply. but it wasn't about policies. it was more than. that take a look, sir. >> what is particularly insulting, though, is that he is the king of saying oh, you're for amnesty. everybody is for amnesty except for ted cruz. this is the lie that he ran on. he's the most conservatatve guy and everyone else is a rhino. the truth is, ted, throughout this campaign you've been willing to say or do anything in order to get votes. >> senator, that's -- you laugh. but at's not the normal political discourse. that seems personal. >> listen, six weeks ago every candidate and republican field was attacking donald trump. today, they're all attacking me. i think that reflects the race has changed. i understand in that debate partst reason donald skipped that debate, part of the reason he was afraid to stand before the men and women of iowa is he didn't want that scrutiny. shooting at mm hat's fine. thatat their prerogative.
when, you know, when people engage in those sorts of attacks. i will talk about substance. for example, on the question of amnesty, it is a faa that right now marco rubio advocates amnesty for 12 million people here illegally. he advocates legalization and citizenship for everyone here illegallll he advocates amnesty for criminal who's are here illegally. it is also a fact that marco has said whether went on spanish television that he would not revoke president obama's illegeg executive amnesty on the first day in office. he said you can't do that overnight. that will take time f i'm elected president, i will recind every single one of president obama's illegal executive orders on day one. >> we got a minute left. >> sure. >> finally, you and i had a couple of run ins in the debate. one of them was aboutut whethererr not you qualified for a 30 second response. let's revisit it.
it's not my question you get to respond to, it's his answer. i don't get 30 seconds to respond to me. >> your question was -- >> you don't get 30 seconds to respond to me. >> i know you like to argue about the rules, but we're going to conduct the debate. >> a number of observers thought that you threw yourself off there, that arguing about the rule do you think that sometimes your lawyery instincts get in the way? you have 30 seconds to respond, sir. >> i was surprised you didn't let me respond there. i'm happy to respond that r to whatever you like, chris. >> i understood the rules debate. i'm interested in 36 hours from now the men and women of iowa are going to caucus. we have a grassroots army. we have 12,000 volunteers in the state. let me give you an example of
friday night we wee in lton, iowa. there are 2800 people that live in wilton, iowa, we had 700 turn out. a trd of the town came out. we're seeing that everyday.y. aa this race is a simple choice. a vote for marco rubio is a vote for amnesty. a vote for donald trump is a vote for obamacare.$& the reasin conservatives are uniting behind rampaign is becauau i am the only candidate in the race who has been a consistent conservative and a fiscal conservative, a social could be servetive in national security conservative and the stakes are too high for us to roll the dice and take a risk. >> senator cruz, thank you. thanks for your time. i know you're awfully busy in this final day. we'll pee how the world turns tomorrow night. > lookorward it to. >> up next, donald trump and his first fox interview since he boycotted our debate thursday night. that plus a special iowa caucus panel as fox news sunday
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welcome back toiowa. we take a look at the famous arches over the des moines riveve the candidate who was soaked up the lion's share of the attention in this campaign kept at it this week. the question of whether donald trump would or wouldn't attend the fox news debate became a kind of soap opera as we all
say big gamble just before the caucuses. but last night we spoke with trump in his first fox debate, first fox intervieie since the debate. it was down the broad two hours at a campaign event in davenport. mr. trump, welcome back to "fox news sunday." i want t t start with that new iowa poll three weeks ago. you were trailing ted cruz by three points. now you're leading by five points. the question for you is how come? >> well we had a great week and maybe even a great couple of weeks in iowa. we've been here a lot. i have a fantastic relationship with the pple of iowa and the evangelicals anan the tea partrt we really have done a lot of work in iowa and got to know a lot more people. you know, i've known the folks here for a long time. but we really -- there's been some very special things happening over the last two weeks, chris. >> now, 29% of people in the polls say they disapprove of
what do you want to say to voters in these final hours before the caucusus who may feel that you snubbed them by not showing up at the one debate to be held here in iowa? >> well, you know, you love fox and so do i. i get alongg and h hve a great respect for the voters. but they put out a press release that was very nasty and taunting and it was -- >> wait. waitn i don'twant to get into that. i'm just saying what do you want to say toto voters w w feel that you snubbed them? >> well, what i'm saying is you have to stick up for your rights. in the meantime, i raised $6 million for the veterans which very important. you have to stick up for your rights. you can't let peopledo that to you. if i were running the country, i'd stick up for our country. you can't do. that frankly, i had a very successful evening. we had a tremendous overflow crowd. and we raised i i one hhr, chris, which i think you're very happy about for the vets, we raised $6 million. i was very happy about that. it was a great thing.
and we'll do it again sometime, chris. >> ted cruz says the real reason you skipped the debate is because youant to hide your liberal recordrom voters. here's mr. cruz. >> he doesn't want to debate cronyism because donald supported president obama's tarp bail bailout of the big wall street banks. the only thing you have left to do is toss insult. >> senator cruz says mr. trump tdat you're trying to hidid your for the bailoutut and hidee your record from voters. >> chris, i'm not trying to hide anything. i was a businessman. i had many different feelings about manyifferent things. by the way, in business,s,s you knoo you have flexibility. can you do many things many different ways. what i am very sure of is that senator cruz has hid the fact@ that he had maid major loenz from citi bank andoldman sachs
personal financial disclosure form. that is called hiding a record. i wasn't in litics whether i was coming up with different views. nobody asked me my views. my views didn't mamaer. i'm not a politician. now for the last seven months i've been a politician. but what i can tell you is that he's got a situation where he didn't disclose goldman sachs. he didn't disclose citi bank on his personal financial disclosure form. he didn't disclose to a lot of people the whole thing where he was born in canada which probably makes it so he might not even be able to run according to many, many constitutional scholars. and h h said he didn't even know he was a citizen of canada until 15 months ago. give me a break. he shouldn't be mentioning me. here's a couple things he didn't know he wa a citizen of can d.a. give me -- of canada, give me a break, chris. >> you talked about the veterans event you held during the debate and you're proufd . you raraed $6 million including $1 million out of your own pocket. but "forbes" magazine took a look at your record of supporting veterans groups over
and what they found is that from 2009 to 2013 the ump foundatiti donated $57,000 to groopz helping veterans. but over the years, they say that you gave at least twice that. between 100,000 to $250,000 to the clinton foundation of all things. >> what i have done is i've given a lot of different events for the veterans. i didn't know you'd be bringing up this. i can get you a list of the events i've been given in palm beach, florida,and hotels i have for the veterans. i opened up my houses. i opened up in a coole of cases my buildings. and we've given many events. i can certainly get that you list and i'd be proud to. what didn't know is that they'd be using it forrrivate aircraft. the clinton foundation was helping with haiti and lots of other things. i thought it was going to do good work.
i was my obligation toetlong with everybody, including the clintons and democrats and liberals and republicans. as a businessman, i had an obligation to do that, chris.s. >> we were discussing the poll about your support among the various groups here in iowa. 60% of republican caucus goers identify themsees as evananlicals. you're doing veryywell with social conservatives. i know that you're campaigning today with jerry fallwell, jr., the president of liberty university who endorsed you. and in a new popo, 52% of white evangelicals said they think you would be a good or great president. and, you know, you don't fit the typical evangelical social conservative proprofile. why do you think you're doing so well with that particular group? >> well, first of all, i'm probably more honored when i hear that statistic than the fact that i'm actually winningng the poll by, you know, pretty
and i've come back from where i was losing the poll. if you look from a few weeks poll. now i'm up fairly substantially. i think i may be morehonored by by the win. you know, i just had a great relationship. when you have jerry fallwell jr. endorse me, that was a very big turning point. i went too liberty university, gave a speechlt we set the all time record for attendance. and i don't know. i could just tell through is something very special. i'm christian. i'm presbyterian. but ere is something very special as far as the evangelicals and my relationship with them. i saw that in the poll numbers that really stood out. and i'm very happy with it. but i think i is also in support of jerry and pastor jeffers. he's been tremendous and so have many other pastors. i mean we've had tremendous suppo from ministers, pastors and from christitis generally and evangelicals. so i'm really happy about it.
issue. you say now that supreme court has ruled, samam sexarriage is the law of the land and that any politician who talks about wanting to amend the constitution is just playing politics. are you)saying it's time to move ? >> o. i'm saying this. it has been ruled upon. it has been there f i'm a, you know, if i'm elected, i would be very strong in puttjng certain judges on the bench at i think maybe could change things. they have a long way to go. at some point we have to get back down to business. there's no question about it. they have ruledn it. i wish it was doo by the state. i don't like the way they're ruled. i disagree with the supreme court from the instant point that they should have civil rights issues. that's the way it shut be ruled on, chris. i would preferred they rule at a
to make the rulings themselves. >> very quickly, sir, you are saying that if you become president you might try to appoint justices to overrule the decision on same-sex marriage? >> i would stronony consider that, yes. >> finally, you were campaigning with your daughter who was very pregnant. i think eight months pregnant. and you had a suggestion for how she could help the campaign. here it s. >> it will be so great if you had your baby@in iowa! it would be so great. i definitely would win. >> question, you sure mr. trump you don't want her to wait until super tuesday on march 1st where there are a couple states that have even more delegates? >> you know i was kidding. in fact, i was at the event where we raised the money for the veterans. iowa is a great place for her to have a baby and so would new
we have about three weeks to worry about it. but they would all be great places for her to have her baby. she's a great person. and hopefully it will be a healthy baby, that's thehe most portant ttng. >> o bad she's not having triplets. mr. trump, thank you very much. we'll watch what happens on monday night. we'll see you next week in new hampshire, sir. >> thank you very much. i appreciate it, chris. up next, a special iowa sunday panel including the state's governor terry braninstant. we'll discuss how tomomoow's caucuses may reshape the race for the white house. plus, what would you like to ask the panel about how trump's debate boycott will sit with iowa voters? just go to facebook or twitterr
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obama. >> senators marco rubio and ted cruz getting in a few more jabs before the iowa caucuses. it's time for our special iowa caucus sunday group, fox news sele senior political analyst bret hume, political columnist
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have iowa's governor terry brandstat, the longest serving governor in american history, and ann guerin of "the washington post." you've been coverin politics for 30 years or. so put together thee new iowow poll from your paper, the des moines register. what are you seeing on the ground? where do you get a sense of the republican side thicks are headed tomorrow night? >> i think that we see donald trump wii a decent lead going into the iowa caucuses, a five point lead is usually a pretty good indication. however, what makes it exciting is that ted cruz really has a lot going for him in this poll. including the people who are most likely to turn out as very conservative voters, evangelicals. if there is a blizzarar they'll shovel the way to the caucus. and so, you know, he is right. his point to you about turning out conservatives is exactly
mpaign you're t endorsing anyone. but you kind of his opposition to the ethanol mandate. you had nice things to say about donald trump that, he is talking be aboutteffective leadershihi the question isfor voters wavering between the two frontrunners, cruz and trump, are you saying go with trum snp. >> no, what i'm saying is we have a lot of really great candidates. and most of themupport renewable enerery. iowa leads the nation in ethanol, biodiesel and wind energy and cruz's voting record is against ethanol. it's been against the tax credit for wind energy. thousand are thousands of jobs in our state. i'm the governor of iowa. i want iowa voters to be well informed. i trust iowa voters. they've elected many times. and i trust them to make the decision they think of who they
for this country. >> but if it's cruz and anybody, you're saying go for the anybody? >> well, i'm juu s sying cruz's record has been against renewable fuels. renewable fuels, iowa leads the nation in renewables. we produce more ethanol than we consume in gasoline. we're the leader in w wnd energy. we just saw the wind energy tax credit extended. cruz is opposed to that. those re thousands of jobs in our state. 43 ethanol plants. people making wind blades and turnin's and towers and we want to protect those jobs. we want to continue to grow the iowa economy. >> i think you've made your point. brit, there are a couple of big stories going into tomorrow night. one is obviously who's going to win? it seems it's likely to be one of the two front runners, trump or cruz. there is also the question of how well marco rubio does. is a strong third? weak third? does he not even finish third? depending on how the questions
this result, the iowa caucuses reshape the race? >> some of the candidates a a going to come out here having done so poorly that if they got some money squirrelled away they may not have. they're not going to be able to continue. th simply have to have moneyy to continue. this is the way it's always been. and i would say this, by the way, about the trump supporters. they d d't particularly fit the profile of your iowa caucusgoer. but my sense of their intensity is that they have the most intense people i've ever dealt with. i see them all the time on twitter. they don't care for any criticism of him. my sense is that they will turn out. now some may go the wrong place alalough, i thinknkhey'll be outt in force. i don't think anybody should count on a low turnout from the trump people hoping to overtake him. >> when you say the wrong place, you mean because you have to
primary. you have to show up at a school gym or a church basement and you have to spend a couple of hours standing up for your person. you have to show up in the right precinct to have your vote count. we asked you for questions for the panel. we got this on facebook from mel van. this is on trump's decision to boycott the debate. he writes, "i was disappointed in donald and think it could hurt him in iowa. do you agree"? ann, how do you answer mel and do you think trump's decision to hurt him in the caucuses? >> you would think it would. but it really seems toto have beeee a no harm, no foul outcome. he clearly did very, very well in this very predictive, historically predictive poll. and within that popo, our findings that really don't seem to indicate at all that people are penalizing him for having skipped. at the same time, the ratings for the debate were high.
>> governor, your sense? does the debate boycott, hurt trump? it is something that will effect votes? >> i certainly wouldn't advise anybody t t skip a fox debate right before the election. >> god bless you, sir. >> but, the fact that he had an event for veterans, he had a huge turnout for that, he's a very unconventional candidate. he's done a lot of things that we thought would hurt him that doesn't seem to have. i guess we'llfind out on monday night. i just don't know. >> kathy, just to finish with you. the des moines register poll is interesting. basically, almost 80% of voters either said they approve of the decision to skip or they just didn't care. but thehe was about 30%, actually my numbers are right, it was 29%. they said they didn't. it didn't bother them. and 29% could be a factor in a close race. >> 29% said it bothered them and 25% said it helped him. we got about a 4% there where, you know, where the difference
and it's that 4% going to be a difference in caucus night? you know, maybe if the debate were last night, it might be right on the top of people's thinking. the thing, is though, ted cruz was there and was exposed to a a lot of tough attacks as well. so, you know, i think overall, good for trump. >> all right. good for trump. interesting. panel, we have to take a break here. when we come back, we'll turn to the democratiti rara in iowa and growing problems for the clinton campaign.
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democratic side getting down right nasty in these final days before the iowa caucuses. if you wonder why we never have the democratic candidates on, here's the answer. we inviteteillary clinton and bernie sananrs every week. and every week they turn us down. politely. top officials in the clinton camp don't even answer our calls and e-mails. we'rereack now with the panel. ann, you've been tracking the democratic race here
factoring in this new poll that shows clinton with, what, a three point lead over sanders. obviously wititn the margin of error. your sense of where things are headed tomorrow night? >> well, she's actually been slightly ahead in most recent polls. often within the margin of error. but enough ahead, a few points, that it looks as though if unless something really strange happens with turnout or whether that she will just squeak by.
just squeaking by is certainly not where she was here only two months ago. certainly not where she wants to be. sandede campaign is already claiming momentum out of "the des moines register" poll and presuming he does very, very well here, just not well enough to beat her, they'll claim that momemeum going into newew hampshire. >> we want to pick up with kathy but first i want to ask you, governor, the breaking newson the democraticide has been the fact that the obama administration announced that they can't release zens of pages of clinton private e-mails because they are too sensitive. here is an administration spokesman. >> seven e-mail chains found in 22 documents representing 37 pages. the documents are upgraded at the request of the intelligence community because they contain a category of top secret information. >> governor, i know you're not
but your reaction to the clinton e-mail scandal and your sense of how it's going to sit with iowa voters? >> well, putting yoo own convenience above the security for the nation, i don't think it sits very well. even among democrats, a lot of people reallyy question her integrity, her trustworthiness. i think in the general election it could be a big issue if she ends up being the democratic nominee. she doesn't have a lot of people thth believe or trust her. they believe that she and her husband have always thought they were above the law and didn't have to abide by the rules the rest of us haveto. so i think it's a prprlem. >> kathy, you heard what ann just said which is -- this isn't a prediction but a read right snou that clinton squeaks by. based on your read on the ground, the latest poll, the ground games,, the size of the crowds, what's your read on what happens in the democratic race? what is the possibility that
although in this case, clinton uldn't get beat by a charismatic young barack obama but by a 74-year-old socialist. >> you know, there are parallels to 2008 because bernie sanders has a similar coalition supporting him that barack obama did, first time caucus goers. independents, people that have not been a huge part of the political democrcric process before. and, however, here's a big difference. in 2008, we saw first timers coming out in record numbers. this poll has really about 40% first timims and that is about average. so we're not seeing a huge surge. we're not seeing that sort of bill to a record turnout. now that could change in a very short period of time. >> there is one number in that iowa poll that would give you a sense of why bernie sanders is
he just might benefit from a last minute surge is the one moment people are asked if our system in america, economic system is rigged and screws the little guy. and the republican poll, 50% among republicans said that worked, that system is good. 67% of democrats said the system is rigged. tiny number saidt is fair. that is the soul of bernie sanders' message, the capitalist system is rigged and the billionaire class is a bunch of pirates and the little guy is getting extrude. and a sentiment that strong, that counts for his success. >> one interesting point about that. that characterizes donald trump supporters more than anybody else. all republicans, dem graphics sayyhe system is working fine except pretty much for donald trump supporters. >> i just want to go big picture. give us 30,000 front view of this, clinton-sanders, fbi investigation.
this is week about the e-mail that's are too secret to be released at all. the possibility that a new mainstream big name democrat could still get in this race. what is the possibility of this race really gets up ended? >> if something happens that makes us think she is seriously likely to be indict order i i indicted, obviously that would change everything. who knows what would happen on the democratic side. there are lots of variables out there. i would say that bernie sandfrs, if he does respectbly ll here and if he doesn't win moves on to new hampshire where he has a huge lead. if he wins there, it will be big headlines everywhere. that could shake up the races and head south. it is supposed to be a great fire wall for clinton in the sosoth. i'm'mot sure that will be true. there are a lot of variable onz the democratic side that -- that would unfold as we go forward here. >> ann, i cut you off. >> no, i was going to say that economic populism point that the deck is stacked and things rigged against the little guy is
tried to strike and sort of potentially he could opt first from elizabeth warren and then from bernie sanders whether he became -- >> it's hard to make that case though, isn't it? >> apparently it hasn't really taken. it's an applause line in the room and resonates in the moment. but people xiptlyconsistently ss sanders is the one that speaks to them on that point. >> now in brooklyn where the clinton campaign headquarters is based, they say, look, even if sanders wins iowa, even if sanders wins new hampshire, we got the fire wallnd they go down south. do they really believe that? do they think this could up end everything where sanders could run the first two states? >>they believe it but they don't want to tes it. who would? it's clearly, you know, statistically she's got a lot of things going for her in south carolina and in nevada, too. which vote nexx
she's way ahead of him. that could change. >> and we got about 30 seconds left. i know they play it down publicly. but behind the scenes, ann, your best sense of how worried they really are about thiss fbi investigation. >> worried. because it's a giant unknown. no one within the clinton organization can absolutely know for sure where this is going. and that's the last thing you want is a giant unknown hanging over you. >> thank you all. it's been a pleasure talking with you. we'll see you next week in new hampshire. i assume governor brandstat youou have better things to do with your time. >> i'm going to be right here in iowa work forg the people of this state. >> you're always welcome, however. it's an open invitation. >> in the campaign for the ages, this may have been thehe wildest week yet.
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>> if she asks him mean questions, i mean, his hair might stand on end. >> when you were governor -- >> i am governor. what do you mean was? >> welcoco to the seventh republican presidential debate. >> let me say i'm a maniac. now that we got the donald trump portion out of the way -- >> look at all the cameras like the academy awards. we're actually told we have more cameras than they do by quite a bit. >> marco made the choice to go the direction of the major donors to support amnesty because he thought it was politically advantageous. >> you helped design george w. bush's immigration policy. then in the committee you said i want to bring people out of the shadows. now you want to trump trump on immigration. >> last i was in iowa, i enjoy getting up on that stage. >> next cycle i'm told lady gaga is going to run. >> i don't know who is more dangerous to the country, donald trump or bernie sanders. >> my opponent isn't in iowa
she is raising money from a philadelphia investment firm. >> boo! >> stand up for me on monday night and if you do, i will stand up and fight for you for the next four years! >> hi there. how are you? >> come on. canada. but canada doesn't accept anchor babies. >> donald trump thought i was the nicest guy on earth. now i wake up every day and take up twitter to see the latest insults. >> i have fire problem. well, we may have a bigger story than the politics by the time this is over. >> it is incredible. >> yes,there was one more surprise when a fire alarm went off in the middle of our interview with donald trump.
tten to the first votes. but all that changes tomorrow niniht. be sure to tune into fox news channel at 6:00 p.m. eastern for full coverage of the iowa caucuses. by the way, karl rove, joe trippy and i will unite as the campaign cowbobo give youu an early read whenen the first results start coming in from key presifrpgts. that's it for today. have a great week and we'll see you next "fox news sunday" live from man clefter, new hampshire. from manchester, new hampshire.one of the areasas that i've been p pticularly interested in is t t area of children. all of us have a responsibility, to ourselves, to our children, to each other. we intend to be sure that everybody in this room and every child in this statee is somebody. no matter where they're born, no matter to whom they are born.
by the values of their parents and the policies of their nation. it's time to protect the next generation, fill the lives of our children with possibility and hope, open up the doors so that every child has a chance to live up to his or her god-given potential. i've spent my life fighting for children, families and our country, and i'm not stopping now. (crowd cheers) i'm hillary clinton, and i have always approved t ts message. [captioning performed by the national captioning institute, which is responsnsle for its caption content ananaccuracy.