tv Face the Nation CBS February 28, 2016 9:30am-10:00am CST
>> dickerson: today on "face the nation" can anything or anyone stop donald trump or hillary clinton from going all the way to their party's nomination. and super tuesday, we'll talk to the three top republican contenders, donald trump who leads by big margins in most super tuesday states and texas senator ted cruz. there. >> there is no doubt if donald steam rolls through super tuesday, he may well be unstoppable. i don't think that will happen. >> dickerson: he's not the only one vowing to stop donald trump we'll talk to senator marco rubio. >> i will do whatever it takes. dickerson: hillary clinton thunders through south carolina with a big win. we'll talk to her rival bernie sanders about his future plus brand new cbs battleground tracker numbers. it's all ahead on "face the
captioning sponsored by cbs good morning welcome to "face the nation" i'm john dickerson. super tuesday where there are primaries or caucuses in 12 states. according to our cbs news battleground tracker things are looking good for the front runsers. in virginia donald trump is at the top of the republican field with 40%. marco rubio follows with 7% and ted cruz is in third at 22. georgia is also showing 40% for trump, ted cruz second at 29%. marco rubio is at 22. but in his home state of texas it's ted cruz up by 11 points over donald trump and marco rubio is in third with 19%. john kasich and ben carson are much further behind. we'll have more battleground poll numbers and results from the south carolina democratic primary coming up but right now we want to go to donald trump who joins us from his home in west palm beach. mr. trump i want to start with a tweet from you this morning in which you write, quote,
been pushing for light weight senator marco rubio to say anything to hit trump. i signed the pledge, careful. what does that mean? >> well, they're not treating me well. i signed the pledge, i've been very good and straight and honest and honorable not treated me well. look at the way they stacked the audiences in the debate i've won every debate according to every poll. every single online poll but way they stacked the audiences, the way they talk. they have this light weight senator marco rubio saying terrible things, just personal terrible things. i don't think it's fair the way that the establishment is treating donald trump. i'll be honest with you. i signed the pledge. i will abide by the pledge unless they default. as far as i'm concerned they defaulted. >> dickerson: you wouldn't abide by the pledge because you think they're defaulting. >> i think you understand exactly what's going on you pick
about how we can overthrow donald trump. i'm representing tremendous -- millions of people. that feel angry and disenfranchise. these are great people. i love them. i'll tell you what we're not being treated right. the republican party not treating me right and they're not treating the people that i represent right. >> dickerson:let me ask you ask you question of taxes, you're being audited. what about release knowledge summary that sometimes what candidates do, show your income, charitable deductions, would you do that? >> i've already released my financials which are massive, by the way, it's over $10 billion of net worth that i built with very small starter years ago. i've already done that. that's down and filed in the federal elections office if people want to see it they can. obviously your cohorts have gone
i've been given very good reviews. >> dickerson: what about a summary. >> you don't learn very much. john, you don't learn of much from tax returns when you're under audit you don't give your papers. i've been under audit for so many years, every year i get audited. for i think over ten years maybe even 12 years. i've been audited. i think it's very fair, i think i'm being singled out, it's not a fair situation that the i.r.s. audits me every year. i have friends that are very wealthy, they have never been ought it. why are -- am i audited every single year. until the audit is completed obviously i wouldn't show anything. i'll show it as soon as it's completed i have nothing to hide -- >> dickerson: what about -- everything of real value is in my financial disclosure form. >> dickerson: you said that in interview with cnn after the last debate you were being targeted because the fact i'm a strong christian, what does that mean?
it could be because i'm a believer in the people of the tea party. i have a lot of different likes maybe dislikes. i don't know why. but why is it that every single year i get audited i have friends that are very wealthy they have never been audited. >> dickerson: would you produce the audit in terms of those who are skeptical maybe this is effort to not release your tax returns? >> i don't think i have problem with that. i assume i can give you a letter from a big law firm saying that we're under audit. but i've been -- i'll let you know how many years. i've been audited for consecutive years, many, many years i think it's unfair. i say to my people how come i'm always audited and friends of mine are never audited. >> dickerson: let me ask you a question that's been raised about foreign workers in florida. the "new york times" said there were people that wanted the job you had said basically only can find farm workers because there aren't americans who want the
were people. >> they have to be qualified. it's during the season within you can't get people it's very, very hard to hire people, qualified people. lot of people didn't want the job because it's a three to four month job just during the season, the hot season, the high season. it's very hard to get people because it's just one of those things. everybody is working. and then during the off season it's easy we don't have the people during the off season because the club closes during off season, lot of people don't want part-time job. >> dickerson: you say that american corporations should build, come back to america, build their products here, have american work workers. why would those corporations say version of what you're saying they can't find the workers here they got to go other places y. wouldn't they just say what you're saying. >> because those are full time jobs. that kind of thing, talking about full time jobs. lot of the people this we made offers to, when we make offers when they hear it's part-time job, it's four month or five
they're not interested. they're american people they're not interested. what you don't talk about is the thousands of people that i do hire. thousands and thousands of people on my payroll over the years that are tens of thousands of people that work moore me. pick up one club where it has high season where very, very hard. it's very hard to get people in palm beach during the season, during the social season. >> dickerson: michael hayden the former director of the national security agency said that if you ordered u.s. forces to kill the families of terrorists which you suggested also use waterboarding which you also suggest that they would refuse you. what is your response to that? >> i don't know what he means by refuse. i can only tell you lot of bad things, they're chopping off heads in syria, they're chopping off heads all over the middle east, isis is doing number, plenty of other -- isis is doing it now. all i know is that when they start chopping off heads we have
very strong, we have to be very vigilant and i heard a statement i disagree with the statement that we have to be very strong, can you imagine these people that chop off heads of christians and plenty of other people and they do it routinely and they drown people in big steel metal cages, they drown them. they leave them in for half hour then pull it up and everybody is dead. they hear us talking about waterboarding, give me a bridge we have to get a lot tougher if we're going to win this war. if we're not going to get tougher we're not going to win this war. >> dickerson: thanks for being with us, we'll speak to you again soon. >> thank you very much. dickerson: we caught up with senator ted cruz on the campaign trail in virginia beach. what other states were you on super tuesday? >> the most important day of this entire primary election. it is the most delegates awarded in a single night. i think we are positioned to have a very good night on super
trump is not the best candidate to go head to head with hillary clinton. and we are the only campaign that has beaten donald trump and we're the only candidate that can beat donald trump if you look at super tuesday states we're running neck and neck with donald in states all across super tuesday. so it is my hope that all of the republicans who recognize that nominating a candidate who agrees with hillary clinton on host of issues, who has very similar record, is not the path to victory. if we come together, conservatives stand together we'll have great night. >> dickerson: if they don't is he unstoppable? >> there is no doubt that if donald steam rolls through super tuesday, wins everywhere with big marge in that he may well be unstoppable. i don't think that will happen. but i think if you're at home and you don't want donald trump to be the republican nominee then only candidate who can beat donald is our campaign. so i would encourage, even if you like another candidate,
donald to be the nominee. if and when we stop him on sunner tuesday, that is how we end upbeating donald and nominating a proven conservative which is what it's going to take. >> dickerson: what did you make of chris christie endorsing donald? >> i don't think that was a big surprise. i think it was a blow to the rubio campaign. but at the end of the day, the washington establishment is going where they're going to go. this is super tuesday is a battle to determine where conservatives go. i think the debate this week was really some powerful moments of clarity. we saw that donald trump substantively has the same issues on issue after issue as hillary clinton. he agreed with hillary clinton on libya. toppling the government in libya that led directly to benghazi. led to handing that country over. he agreed with hillary clinton supporting john kerry who agreed with hillary clinton on being, quote, neutral between israel and the palestinians. i'll tell you as president i'm
america will stand unapologetically with israel. on domestic policy, donald trump agreed with barack obama on the wall street bail out. the bail out of big bank. i think the government ought to be standing with mainstream, with working men and women. and then you put on top of that the ethical issues. whether it is refusing to release his taxes. and that's a real problem. >> dickerson: why is that a problem? why is it a problem if he doesn't release them? >> i'm being audited for two years, then three years, then maybe five years. if there's a problem his taxes, voters have a right to know because come september, october the general election, fox in the media are going to make a heyday about any problems in his taxes, i think primary voters have right to know and his excuse that he's being audited. that makes it even more important. for him to release his taxes so voters can see if there is -- mitt romney suggested there
i don't know if there is or not. but donald is hiding them from the voters and i think he owes cannedder to the voters. >> dickerson: he said some pretty bracing things about you still like him. how can that be the case? >> donald is a charming person. he can be fun -- >> dickerson: but he can turn on you. >> just overnight he can turn on you get nasty and personal and vicious. i treat him as an entertainer, i laugh him off. it's like going to the circus seeing the acrobats and dancing bears. he's willing to say things that are patently false. for example, at the debate this week he backed off of his health care position for 20 years. for 20 years he has agreed with hillary clinton and bernie sanders on socialized medicine saying, obama compare doesn't go far enough. he wants the government to pay for everyone's health care and control it. and he and i had back and forth where i asked him. is it true or false that he said
ever one's health care. he said it's false. within minutes we put out video contrasting what he said there with video of him just few months earlier saying exactly the opposite. and what i think the debate this week did, is gave real clarity to the voters. that to beat hillary, we need a consistent conservative, someone who has stood for free market principles, who has stood for constitution and critically who stood for the working men and women of this country. we talked a lot about donald's record on immigration. that he is irony he made the center of his entire campaign immigration given that he faced a $1 million court judgment for being part of a conspiracy to hire illegal aliens, given that just this week, news broke that he is hiring foreign workers at his fancy hotel in florida and he claims, he did interview after the debate where he said, gosh, you can't find americans
or waitresses or bell hops. what ridiculous nonsense. the "new york times" reported roughly 300 americans applied for those jobs, he only hired 17 instead he brought in foreign workers because they're captive workers, you can pay them less, they can't leave. and i think the working men and women are getting hammered right now, they want someone they can trust to stand with them and part of the reason so many conservatives are uniting behind our campaign i'm the only one that led the battle against am negligence tee, led the battle to security the borders and for working men and women. >> dickerson: the question about borders and your position on immigration with undocumented workers. bill o'reilly prepared with you hypothetical someone over stayed their visa, president cruz going to send the feds, take him output him on a plane. you said you better believe it. in an interview given similar scenario we don't have system that knocks on doors of every person in america, one case you
and -- >> difference is how large. we don't have storm troopers that knock on the door of every american citizen, we don't do that. but when we have evidence that a particular person has committed a crime we send law enforcement to apprehend them. the he is spiff i can question was visa over say. john, right now, current federal law requires a biometric exit-entry system when you come in on visa. obama administration is just ignoring federal law. 40% of illegal immigration not people across the borders i willlily it's people who come legally on a visa and never leave. if we have a biometric exit-entry system we know if john dickerson comes in for six months and hasn't left we know on the day after six months, okay, john exceeded his visa. with that exit-entry system we can send law enforcement agents that exist to go get john say, you're here illegally. that is how law enforcement operates. >> dickerson: senator cruz, thanks so much. >> thank you, john. dickerson: we'll be back in
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>> dickerson: we're back with marco rubio who is at the airport in arkansas getting ready to head to have to the next upper -- super tuesday campaign state. i'd like to ask you about "washington post" headline this morning that says, rubio's strategy for super tuesday is survival. do you agree with that characterization? >> no, i don't. we're not the front runner here we're underdog that's role that i relish. i've been an underdog my whole life. we'll pick up a lot of delegates on super tuesday. we're going to move on. here is with is never going to happen in this race. never time republican party rallies around that you have to get out for purposes of rallying around donald trump. donald trump is not a republican. donald trump is not conservative. donald trump is trying to pull off the biggest scam in american political history. basically a con job trying to
by telling people he's someone who he is not. we'll do whatever he takes. we'll be in this race as long as it takes. be in as many states to make sure i'm the nominee that donald trump never gets the 12236 delegates which he needs. >> dickerson: what we hear your campaign gotten a lot cappier about donald trump. the for a um of -- i never wanted it to get to this point. by own course the way the media covers politics people would open their eyes see who donald trump really is. that unfortunately has not happened. the polls and early states indicate he's been able to fool a significant number of people to believing that he is something that he is not. donald trump is a locales con artist, he conned all these people that signed up for trump university now trying to do the same thing to republican voters. he's trying to convince them that somehow he's the guy that is going to stand up to illegal immigration but he hires illegal immigrants.
workers but he's hiring foreign workers for his totals, go to bring back jobs from china and mexico but in fact he's creating jobs in china and mexico because that's where all of his suits and ties that he sells are made. it's a con job, it's a scam. we're going to unvail it here, going to reveal it i believe more people learn about that the less support he's going to have in the weeks to come. >> dickerson: donald trump is one in three states. you say voters there were conned, what does that say about voters in those states? >> well, i think has lot to do with the media coverage as women i'm not speaking about you in particular, but the media coverage has been cheerleading over the last couple of weeks i'm convinced it's because many in the press want him to be the nominee. one, they think it's going to be good for rating, two, because they have lot of material to work with. if donald trump were to ever become nominee immediately the hounds would descend on him, going to tear him apart, everything he's ever done from not releasing taxes to all of his failed business dealings and hillary clinton is going to have clear shot to the oval office i
rooting for that outcome so that he's the nominee you can see it in the coverage he's gotten. this guy has not offered single serious policy proposal which is important if you want to be president of the united states. and again other night at the debate he refused to outline health care plan. they just moved on instead of pressing him on it. he gave a ridiculous answer on the national debt he moved on without pressing him. no other candidate could have gotten away with that. i think there's a weird bias in the media rooting for donald trump because he's the easiest republican to beat. >> let me ask you about all the thing you've said about donald trump a. big scam, it's a con job how can you possibly retain position that if he's the nominee you'll support him? >> because he's never going to be the nominee. i'm not worried about hypothetical that's never going to happen. donald trump will never have 1,236 delegates which is what he needs. it won't happen. in fact i know i can get those delegates.
hard to make that happen. all these things we're talking about now it will take time to sink in when voters realize what we're up against here, what he's trying to do i think you're going to see a sea shift here. >> dickerson: what's confusing you say if he were the nominee would destroy the conservative movement. then you're saying he'll never be the nominee. you signed on to the #never trump. you say all these terrible things chris christie said bad things, turn around endorse him once he gets the nomination? >> well, again, he's not going to be the nominee because we are not going to allow. people will wake up not allow con artist to take offer the party of lincoln and reagan. he's pulling off a world class scam here. he's telling people he's all these things, he's fighting for the little guy. the working class. he has spent his entire business career sticking it to working people. his projects go under. first people that don't get paid
them have gone bankrupt. i'm getting nonstop e-mails and calls from people that have been scammed by donald trump and their stories are heartbreaking. >> dickerson: you say you're going to stop him. are you going to win florida or beat threw? >> absolutely. we're going to win florida. florida is not going to vote for con artist like donald trump. he has the benefit of the fact that he's dominated media coverage. literally dominated media coverage because of the outrageous things he says. that's going to end. there's going to be real fight for heart and soul of the republican partys not, i will do whatever it takes to pre prevent it from being taken over by a conartist i ask people to sign up to our effort at marcorubio.com to make this happen. >> dickerson: you'll do whatever it takes. your campaign manager talked about contested convention, taking it all are the way to the convention. in that case, basically taking nomination away from donald trump. wouldn't that just cause an uproar from all those people who voted for him, who have given
wouldn't that create calamity in the party? >> well, that we beat him out right in the primary process i believe that's what's going to happen in the next few weeks as we move to winner take all states. terrain begins to change. i feel very good. i don't think it's going to get to that. let me just say the rules what are they are in the republican party, you have to have x number of delegates in order to be the nominee. if you don't have those number of delegates then there's a process in place. here is where there is calamity for donald trump to become our nominee. if he's our nominee it could be the end of the republican party. it will split us and splinter us in way we may never be able to recover the democrats will be joyful about it. >> dickerson: we'll have to end it there.
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>> dickerson: now for the platest in the race for the democratic nomination. last night hillary clinton had a big win in south carolina. she won a whopping 73% of the vote compared to 26% of bernie sanders. and democratic race in our super tuesday battleground tracker hillary clinton is up over bernie sanders by 20 points in virginia. she leads 59 to 39. in texas clinton has 61% support from democratic primary voters sanders has 37%. finally in georgia she is at 63% compared to bernie sanders at 35%.
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with bernie sanders. [captioning performed by the national captioning institute, which is responsible for its caption content and accuracy. visit ncicap.org] sharyl: hello. i'm sharyl attkisson. welcome to "full measure." today we begin with a question of human testing and the dilemma posed by the need to do research for the greater good and the right of human test subjects to know exactly what they're