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there are already clear r nners in the campaign -- the political cartoonists. the political circus was on display at a gathering in washington. as campaigns a a in full swing across the cououry. >> i think they are really clever and funny and i'm not offended. >> it is funny. >> it really delivers very serious messages. sharyl: the cartoonists were treated like rock stars. tom tolls of "the washington post." matt worker of "politico." >> this isishe world series, march madness. it does not get any better for political cartoonists than during a presidential campaign. sharyl: worker let us look over his shoulder at the cartooning of the candidates. >> of this presidential campaign is unlike any i have ever experienced. this week alone, we had hillary barking like a dog. the pope in an airplane starting a twitter war with donald trump. i was expecting to see political
across the country. in photoshop on the computer, i put the title "where the wild things are." sharyl: one pen stroke and he punctures the image campaigns spend millions to craft. >> it is a cheap shot. i'm sorry. what to drink team. everything ifocus grouped. bernie's big issue is reaching out to minorities. maybe he could take a few hints from beyonce. this one was really fun to draw. i like to paint on paper with lots of detail. i think cartooning is still really about the drawing. usually, there is a day when i am standing around gng, "come on, dry, so i can put you on the scanner." i had this idea about drawing a circular firing squad about the gop debates. with the candidates all shooting ross from each otherer with donald trump is in the middle, his head spinning around like a machine gun. when the pope popped up at the end of the week, i threw the pope in.
can bring civilized levity to the conversation. people understand that it is in good humor. he has a remarkable face to draw. sharyl: worker says t tre is a new outrage industry and t tt the campaigns and their followers often don't have a sense of humor at all. once upon a time, you had to worry about the letters to the editor and people threatening to cancel subscriptions. now it is likekehat crazy thing in the "wizard of oz" with the flying monkeys. suddenly, there are the flying monkeys coming on twitter and facebook. people should be passionate about their politics, but i think it is really important, in a democracy, that we respect people's differences and treat each other with a certain amount of respect. ideally, a good joke or a witty retort can do that in a way that does not instigate a fight.
on having a ringside seat. >> this is going to remain a really crazy circus right into the conventions and then we have a whole new kind of circus. i'm hoping i get to go to the conventions and take my sketchbook. sharyl: but those conventions are still months away. coming up next week on "full measure" -- we tackle one of the biggest topics in america today -- the border. we travel to the 372-mile border between arizona and mexico. where the question is, who is really calling the shots? we will go over some of the most dangerous terrn. thats next week on "full measure." thank you for watching. i'm sharyl attkisson. until next time, we'll be searching for momo stories that
fakes the nation. vermont senator bernie sanders joins us from rochester, minnesota. senator, it was disappointing loss in south carolina last night. virginia, texas. when analysts look at that map they say there's not a plausible path for you to the nomination, what is your response? >> well, my response that i'm in minnesota, i think we're going in colorado. i think we're going to win in oklahoma. we're going to do well in masssshusetts and going to win in vermont and got number of states are coming up that we're going to do extremely well, possibly winning including california and new york state. i think we do have a path to victory i won't tell that you we didn't get beaten and beaten very badly yesterday in south carolina. i congratulate secretary clinn on her victory, but, john, i think that's as bad as it's going to get. >> dickerson: when you look at the progress that you made which
looked at your campaign from the beginning, even givenrogress you've made, is there enough time left, you mentioned some places where you think you've done well, but isn't time kind of running out? >> no, i don't think so. i think you got tuesday we'll have over 800 delegates being selected. i think we're going to win a very good share of those delegates. major states coming up and i thininthe important point is that people throughout this country are resonating to our message. and the message is that super pacs and corrupt campaign finance system are destroying american democracy. we're proud that we received four million individual contributions more than any candidate in american history at this point. people understand that the economy is ripped. going to the people on top, that is why we are doing well. i tell you something even in
did, we did very badly. we won the votes of people 29 years of age or younger. the future of the democratic party, thehe future off this country is involving young people in the political process, getting them to stand up for their rights, dealing with student debt which i got to tell you is questioning people all over this country. making public colleges and universities tuition free, those are the ideas we are bringing out, demanding the wealthy and large corp operationstart paying their fair share of taxes. this is what younger people, working class people. that is the future of the democratic party. >> dickerson: in order to create the movement you've been suggesting that you want you're ing to need to attract african american voters and you're economic justice message didn't seem to hit home in south carolina. and in other places. isn't that a f fal flaw?
we did really, really badly with older african american voters. weweot decimamad. on the other hand if you look at the younger people, african american younger people, and whites we did much better. so, again, i think our message, the clinton campaign was very strong, remember this is their fourth campaign in south carolina. two for bill clinton, two for hillary clinton. they h well organized they did well. i congratulate her. we came into that state like 7 or 8% in the polls it was tough road for us to hoe. i want to thank all of our supporters, the members of the south carolina state legislature who stuck with us. >> dickerson: our polls show that one bright spot for you is that big majority think thayou ararmore honest and trustworthy than hillary clinton. what does it say to you, though, that voters may believe that and yet are voting for hillary clinton?
reasons. i think if you look at your polls you'll probably find that many people think that our views are closer too what they believe the future of america should be. issues. lot of those polls come down to demographics, the age, to how much money you are making. at the bottom line is, we started this campaign, john, 3% in the polls. in the also two weeks national polls that actually had us in the lead or reasonably close to secretary clinton. if you were with me yesterday in texas you see 10,000 people out in austin, 8,000 people out in dallas. we had good turn out here last night. i believe we have lot of momentum. sometimes the media - this state had election at the end of the campaign. dozens of more states to go we're feeling good.
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specifically, voters in georgia, in virginia and in texas all think that donald trump has the best chance now to win the general election. and also think that he has the most optimistic message of the remaining candidates. this isn't just about for them voting against something, against politics as usual. it's a signal that they're voting for something. that is in politics very powerful. that's a campaign that will have legs. >> dickerson: tuesday we've got bunch of states voting, ted cruz will do well in texas. what can we learn a about what's happening g th cruz inexas whether it translates to any other state outside of his home turf. >> it's not translating right now. in texas, voters who know him say he has the most experience and say that he can best shake up politics. but donald trump owns those issues everywhere else.
cruz you heard in your interview saying he's the conservative. argument. they are overwhelmingly as most conservative but it's not enough. because he loses some of the voters who think he's most conservative to trump and also voters are placing more importance on, not just shaking up politics, but also fixing the economy and donald trump owns those issues. on the political monopoly board you want to own space but the most valuable space. that shake up politics in these states. >> dickerson: important again just to be clear because suggests if cruz can't win outside of his home territory not going to make inroads in other places. >> may pick up delegates elsewhere and hold serve in his home state but right now he's trailing every place else. >> dickerson: all the candidates say, remaining candidates i want it to come down to one on one race than i'll have shot against donald trump. in the numbers do you see any evidence that if other candidates were to fall away
the remaining person who is alternative to trump that would actually change the state of things? >> no. donald trump would get, when we ask people, if he doesn't get the nomination who would you suppt. donald trump would get enough of rubio voters, enoughf cruz's voters, not majority but enough, that added to his current standing would keep him as the front runner. consolidated race doesn't necessarily help who is left standing and i think that's important. figured donald trump up around 40 he doesn't need that much to then get to majority. we've always talked about how he has a ceiling, he still does. there's lot of people would not make him second choice but his ceiling isn't quite as low as we once thought. >> dickerson: over to the democratic races it over? >> not yet. but super tuesday looks pretty good for hillaryrylinton. there's couple of thing going on. one is we talked about the demographics of the southern
among african american voters thatat consistent across all super tuesday states that we survey. people still say that bernie sanders is the honest candidate and is the principled candidada but similarity here almost to the republican side, too. these are metrics that we thought going in would be winning ones, they're not enough. being principled a a is important, but where voters are going now for senator clinton's campaign that they're seeing her as qualified and seeing her as experienced, that's obviously her campaign message. they're voting onn that. she's got big leads over sanders on those metrics and that's what is driving lot of this. >> dickerson: great, anthony, thanks so much. we'll be back in a moment with
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ruth marcus is columnist for the "washington post." and ben domenech is the editor of "the federalist." peggy is donald trump unstoppable? >> well, we're going to find out. the indices are all in his direction, aren't they? i'm interested in his power, if that is the word, is such that he has actually been ab to be in a way a one-man wrecking crew in the area of deport. and one proceeds politically on the stump. mr. rubio is attempting as you know to give trump a fight in trump's own style. i'm not sure how that works. but certainly the indices are good. >> the 11th commandment is shredded, thou shall not attack
rubio is trying trump's tactics is that effective? >> might have en effective had he be doing it six months ago. been really hitting trump on this point that trump seems to be in this for himself. as it stands, at this stage not only do i not think it's effective it might be count are productive. what it sounds like rubio saying to people that you were fooled and you're a con now come vote for me. >> i agree. i think there's another way which it can be less than effective. you asked rubio if it was too little too late. i think there's a little bit of too much too late which is, he is just geetting down i i the buck with trump. when you get down in the muck you get up with muck on you. fine to go after trump university, and call him a con man about what that sauce. fine to take him on on lack of policy knowledge.
wet his pants, i think -- that's a little too -- >> knock off trump by being a knock of of trump. people want instability they got one voice. >> i think the only way that you can beat trump is recognizing that he is a one-man wrecking machine fueled by his personality you have to attack him on those bases. none of these ideological positioning issusu matter for trump it's not something where you can say, one time you said this now you said this that doesn't get to his people. just out alphaing trump. >> i think you're right the positioning is useless. but talking to trump voters, i think the things that they attach to that they like about trump that he seems like he gets them. that he is like them in some fundamental way. i think the avenue for real estate tack have to be convincing that that is not
start. against that. >> the issue on his can man thing. i heard you intervieie and ask very plainly would you support him essentially and he said that he dance around the question. republican party. i don't think he's going to be the nominee. he never said he wouldn't support him. and so he sounds very much like politician and that is the voters. >> dickerson: the con man in this political season are the politicians. that's the setting for con man we learned from the voters. >> you know, i think the way for -- i agree with whatat jamelle says, to look at -- for rubio to say to trump supporters, hey, he's conned you, he's a con man that's what you do. my goodness, that's not the way to bring them in. how about something more interesting.
trump supporters, i absolutely know what you think about the repupuican party and the republican establishment and how disappointed you are. guess what, i'm going to tell you what you're right about. what they are disappointed about. republican party is easasto tell you the flaws of the democratic party. take trump supporters seriously by conceding what is true about -- >> i think candidates have been trying to do that all along. your first question about whether trump is unstoppable at this point. i think the candidates, other candidates have essentially conceded that he is more or less unstoppable in the primaries at the place to stop him if he is to be stopped is at the conventi itself. you see, rubio campaign andnd cruz campaign, the kasich campaign all positioning themselves and i even -- did i some canvassing among republican establishments
stages of resignation you heard crazy ideas like, might not be too late for mitt romney to file. >> oh, my, goodness. >> all talking aut convention strategies and not primary. >> dickerson: ben, we're getting to the high fantasy theories now. >> what we're witnessing is political realignment. we're moving from traditional understanding of left-right politics that we've had for a long time to something that looks very different. the thing to understand here is that donald trump and bernie sanders they're not the disease. they're not symptom of the disease they are beta test of cure for the perspective of the people. the those of us who looked sort of the established order of the political fray looks like chaos. to the people it looks like democracy. i think that is something that really is moving us to a new reality where the parties are going to have to retrofit themselves and adapt to this.
noonan. one quick question about this running against trump. if you are the democrats you're watching this, if you are in position that you used to be in are you gleeful, do you think donald trump is going to be a great candidate to run against? >> four months ago they mht have bn gleeful about running agaiait donald trump. i think democrats war bit more wary because he's the defied expectations, he is speaking t t a sense of anger and anxiety out there that could goo toome core of the democratic face, working class voters. working class who have been drifting away. what it can't do ion't think so is repay the breach with minority voters, particularly hispanic voters. i think that, that wall he's built between himself and hispanic voters cannot be - - at's going to be very high. that's a huge problem for him.
women, i think he will galvanize the democratic face. i still think he is -- has a tough road to ho to, win the presidency. but i think he's defied expectations so much that people are a little wary. >> a lot of the anger is not -- i don't think it's universal. if you look at polls of african americans, latinos, people i guess rising american electorate they are pretty op toe miss tuck about the country's perspective. it's among slice of older white americans, younger mightht white americans feel betrayed about the money on college and being in bad place that the anger is. i'm not sure how trump general electoratetehere you have lot of americans, black, latino, asian american, who do not fundamentally feel the anger. there are white americans who
how this plays to me -- >> i will say this, people say there's enthusiasm gap. you see it in the turn out. that is true. i think the antidote to the enthusiasm gap for hillary clinton should she be the nominee is donald trump perhaps the debate. that will l galvanize who may not be enthused about her as they were about barack obama. >> dickerson: we saw her trying to turn that page last night. >> you saw her trying to do two things at once last night which i thought she did just fine. which is to stille attentive to the standard vote and arguments that they want to hear from her and so there was that about big banks. she turned her attention to her vision of making america great again which is making america whole again. i want to say one thing about donald trump the excellent question that you asked. i can't stay away about taxes. because his argument is, we
returns. and that is just not true. here is what we learn. that we don't learn from other filings. your income. what your effective tax rate s. how much you use loopholes and deductions and tax shelters. how much you've given to charity if you want to give it out who those charities are for. i understand tax lawyers don't want people under audit to give out their stuff. audits end, you can do two things give the tax returns and give the summaries. case closed. >> dickerson: let me add a question to you, say whatever you want, but the question is this. when you talk about that beta testing that the public may be doing does that mean that there is a different standard or lower threshold in terms of fact. donald trump has been fact checked fairly well. he says things, he's called on it, he has said about the voters they don't care about policy position or these small things because he's speaking to a larger truth.