tv Right Side With Armstrong Williams CBS October 8, 2016 4:37am-5:00am CDT
a story about a conversation you had recently we can't wait to hear it. >> the thing is that, you know, i don't want to tar all police officers with the same brush or anything, but there is a segment of human beings that when they get a little power, they want to, you know, show it off. once i was driving here in washington and somebody cut me off. i had to hit the brake, i almost hit them. i really just gave my horn. well, seconds later all of a sudden a siren goes off on this car that cut me mead over and it was police. they would not tell me what i've done. clearly he was just angry that, you know, i had been objected to the way he drove and i had no idea it was a police officer. this guy kept me sitting on a street for half an hour. there's certain people that they like the feeling of power. >> he didn't stop you because of your race. >> no, exact lea. yes, there's big racial element
about power. >> but if kimberly had been stopped she would assume, in a small way, that race was a factor. her experience is telling us it's about law enforcement, about power, about control. >> i think it's about all those things. i don't know for certain that if we had both been in that sim position if it would have played out exact threa same way. >> that you would have been shot? >> i don't know if i would have been shot. >> what are you saying? >> based on the perception of police t was walking my dog recently in the park, uh, in suburban washington and a police car came into the park at high speed, clearly in pursuit of someone. and it was a rainy day. i had on a hood. and i for a moment had to figure out what do i do to make it clear that the thing that's in my hand is a retractible dog leash and not a weapon. this is something that black people cross the country think about every day. i've never committed a crime in
i think that's the difference. >> you know, the officer who shot scott in charlotte happened to be black. it's not as - - if the officer had been white it would have been a big part of the media story. >> it's u maying to me, i read about for example what happen in tulsa. >> she's a white woman. >> right. woman shot a black man. i read about what happened to charlotte and it just says a police officer shot not mentioning at all that that officer was black. >> that's an indictment of the media. >> i agree, and because they want to play out a certain narrative. now, in doing so i think they're missing part of the story. yes, race is certainly an essential element of what is going on with the community and law ns enforcement but it's not the ors only thing. by ignoring that and saying sh times we've got a trigger happy black cop that will shoot a black man, we are ignoring the
with certain law enforcement and power and authority. that is a debate we need to be having as much as a debate about race. >> also think it is about race. when you say we have a police system, a systemic problem not just about individual cops, it's about a systemic problem that involves training, it involves the perception of threat from the top to the bottom. when officers are a part of that system whether they're black or white, i don't think that they're not affected by it. >> are you um, that the officer in charlotte if his, um, the culprit had been white and not black he would have shot and killed him? >> i don't know. >> you're saying something much deeper here. does that play a role in an officer firing a gun? >> i think that plays a role in the training that the officers get and the system that they're in. i don't want to speak - - i
of that officer, but i do know if there is a systemic problem, every officer of every race who is a part of it can be affect by it. >> kelly jane, let me take this deeper. listen. in the moment of a crime when you're in that hostile situation, the adrenaline is flowing, do you believe that a law enforcement officer has time to look at the assailants, their skin and make a judgment whether to shoot or not. that is the point. >> that's part of the point and also not just whether to shoot, but where to shoot. i've watch ad lot of cop show on tv, i thought the idea was you shoot to disarm. >> nowak you shoot - - they're trained to kill. >> that's what what amazes me. to me the idea that eve b if you perceive a threat that mean you need to kill that person rather than disable them. >> but - - . >> they do have - - it is true
a fire arm they do so with the expectation that that person will die, but there are other tools at their disposal as well. there are tasers, other things that can be it deployed in situations that are short of lethal force if you're trying to stop or disable someone. that goes to the heart of the training; right? and to your point about do they make a judgment when they see someone saying hey, that's a black guy. that's not what's being alleged here. it's about inherent dangerousness of black people, particularly black men, that i think we all have. anybody who has crossed the street before passing someone at night. anyone who has grabbed closer hold of their purse when someone sits next to them on the subway understands these are inherent things we have inside of us. when you are a police officer and you have a weapon that you can use, this is something that specifically has to be addressed in training. >> i think this.
wrong. i think what gets the most coverage is when it involves race. i think there are people out there in all walks of life responding to this. saying i get stopped, i was drugged, i was beaten, i've seen people who are white abused bide police officers. i think law enforcement does it to everybody. i actually think that it trivializes to make it's exclusively black. dwhring overall i hear so men people tell the same story who don't happen to look like this. >> there are lot of stories that don't get media attention. robert smith, one of the big benefactors of the new african american museum. he says he gets stopped half a dozen times a year on the way to the airport before he fly away on his private plane. >> hold that.
i think i mentioned earlier in some cases a push back effect where police are scared to go into certain neighborhoods or they're nervous and worried about what, you know, mist rakes might be made. so they're actually doing less policing. that is also a big problem. so so we need - - i mean both sides need to work this out not something we're going to be able to fix overnight. >> kimberly, this is a tough, tough question about i'm about to lay on you. how is this possible so repeated when you have the first american president who happens to be black? how does this - - what is this psychology of this? and what would be happening now f president were not black and happened to be white, what would
>> look, i think that the election of the first black president of the united states both showed, uh, the best of what this country could be, buty could be. we saw leading up to president obama's election and since a lot of people who can't believe he's a citizen. i think this is something, the racial tension in this country is something that isn't new, certainly wasn't start bide barack obama, but i think that people who are angry but it's also the political discourse in this country has also heightened it. i don't think it's the cause, but i think it heightened it. a lot of people may have thought that tha election of the first black president of the united states mebt we are a post-racial nation. i think a lot of people of color never thought that. i think it may surprise people this is happening under a first
magician. >> but kelly and i know i'm going to get tarred and feathered for this, but do they feel emboldened when they riot? do they feel a sense of bravado. am i over stating this? >> you mentioned the l.a. riots earlier. and then you have people who are going to take advantage of it for whatever reason. the first night in shar t was fine then you get people who see what's lr going on and like hey, this might be a time for me to do some damage. you've got to sort of separate but you can't because it's all part of a complex thing. separate out how much of the anger and what is going on is directly related to the event and what's going on in the
to resolve and put this behind us forever? can we? >> it will be difficult if it is possible. for this to be resolved we need all stake holders at the table, public officials, police, community members coming to the table and figuring out a way to reinstore - - restore the trust between communities and police. right now we have a situation where we talked about people in the community not trusting the police and the police also not community. talking about this ferguson affect where police officers may feel afraid to do the sort of patrolling and policing that they have. they all have to come to the table with equal stake in finding a solution to this issue. explt more that this, uh, discourse around it becomes cops versus black people, this us versus them mentality, it's not helpful to anyone. >> we're going to come back with some final thoughts with our
>> so kelly minnesota new jersey new york, the riots and the vandalism and charlotte north carolina, oklahoma, how tuz this impact? >> it's huge. if americans are asking the question in november do i feel safe, and if that is one of the most important things to them it's going to help donald trump because when law and order becomes an issue in an election it awl moist always helps the republican. no matter what in this case especially because trump has, you know, he actually was sort of taking a bit from nixon's 68
he kind of stepped back on that rhetoric. he goes back to it, he can do very well. this is the one issue i think that safety, terrorism, law and order, that's the one issue that can help donald trump win. it may be possibly the only issue. >> i think that the two issues when it comes to terror you're absolutely right. people feel scared about attacks and will go to the more law and order candidate there. talking about this issue of police violence. not just people of color but lots of people are very >> did he finally condemn it. >> he did condemn it, but this came months and months after - - . >> they hold him to a different bar. >> and weeks of him insistently and repeatedly categorizing black people in a stereotypical way that wasn't just offensive to black people but a offensive to a lot of other people too. in that sense i'm not sure those particularly in the community who want more accountability for police will be on his side.