tv This Week With George Stephanopoulos ABC June 3, 2012 8:00am-9:00am PDT
good morning and welcome to "this week." as romney clinches the nomination -- >> let's keep america strong, let's have a president that knows what it takes to get it work. >> the massachusetts record was alarmingly weak. grim news on jobs rocks the presidential race. >> our economy is still facing some serious headwinds. >> the president's policies and his handling of the economy has been dealt some harsh indictment this morning. stephanie cutter for obama and eric fehrnstrom for romney join our powerhouse roundtable. plus, john edwards gets off. >> finally my precious quinn,
who i love more than any of you could ever imagine. george w. bush gets some laughs? >> what would george do? and mike bloomberg starts a soda war. all that, right now, on "this week." hello again. just about five months before election day, that jobs report on friday was a gut-check for president obama. it reminded all of us what this campaign is really about and just about guaranteed the race will be a nail-biter all the way. the latest polls show a dead-even contest, the country on edge and divided as ever. not thrilled with president obama's leadership. not sure governor romney has any better answers. here to make the case for their candidates this morning,
eric fehrnstrom and stephanie cutter. delay join our regulars, george will and paul krugman. stephanie, let's get to the economy. let me begin with you. right after that jobs report came out on friday, governor romney respond. he said, the president is responsible for the fact that this recession has gone on for so long and hurting so many people, your response? >> the president said it best on friday we're still in a recovery period. over the past 27 months, we have created 4.3 million private sector jobs. the issue is we're not adding jobs fast enough. if you looked at the report on friday, the areas we're doing well is where we can affect policy. manufacturing jobs have continued to rise. that's precisely because, the president stepped in and did what nobody else was willing to do, to save the auto industry. that has had a great impact on the manufacturing line. that report also showed areas that are still hurting. particularly teachers and
construction workers. that shows "the wiz" domestic of the president's policies. we have two very -- two policies sitting on the desk of congress right now that they could act on. put teachers back to work and put construction workers back to work. rebuilding our roads, bridges and highways. >> eric, what do you make of that? >> well, i agree with stephanie that first, this president is not adding jobs fast enough and i think for anybody who is urgently waiting for improvement in the economy, last week was not a good week, and it's not just the devastatingly weak jobs report that we got on friday it was also the revision in gdp downward for the first quarter, drop in consumer confidence. an increase in unemployment claims. it's not that we don't think that this president is trying. we think he is. his policies aren't working. >> by the way, george --
not just policies, but we gave the keys to the largest economies in the world to a person who didn't have any prior executive leadership experience. governor romney has led in the private sector, he organized and ran the winter olympic games in 2002. he ran a state successfully. that's a big difference between the two. >> let me turn it over to george will now, this comes at a point, where perceptions usually get baked in a presidential race. >> exactly. and no matter what congress does, nothing the government can do will change the trajectory of the economy right now. since world war ii, no president has been re-elected with the unemployment over 7.4%. what we learned this week, for sure it's going to be over 7 .4%. we have 40 consecutive months of 8% or more. the jobs report went down. they revised downward the jobs creation in april. there was simply nothing in this report to give consumers confidence.
the question is this, is going to be 1984 or 1980? in 1984, when reagan ran after deep recession, the revival has become. 1980, a sense of stagnation and permanent stagnation, it looks like increasingly like that. >> where is the economy right now? >> the economy is right now. it's terrible. but weak. the bitter irony for obama, certainly for people like me, if the republican answer, let's slash spending, let's have low taxes, that's the actually policy that we have been following. it's amazing, especially, if you look at the last couple of years we have seen -- >> we have a chart. from your blog. it shows the point you're making. >> this is adjusted for population growth and inflation and it's plunging. it's plunging mostly because of the cutbacks at the state and local levels. unemployment benefits have been expiring because congress won't
-- republicans in congress won't extend them. in effect, if you extend that chart backwards. there's been nothing like this after the demobilization after the korean war. it's not the president's policy. in effect, we already got the policies that the republicans say they'll impose if they take the election. >> that's the point stephanie was making. bringing it back to you. what would governor romney do right now, not in the future, to get the economy moving right now? >> it's not just his tax policy, but it's his spending policy, regulatory policy. confronting china on its unfair trade practices. it's labor policy, george. the governor has laid out very detailed plans. people can go to mittromney.com and learn about them for themselves. what we really have here -- >> as i have know from detailed plans there is nothing there. >> what we have here is a
deficit in leadership and this president came into office without any prior experience running anything. he never even ran a corner store and i think it shows in the way he's handling the economy. >> can the president do anything now? >> he can get congress to act. independent estimates have put 1 million jobs on the table. that need to move that. we can impact the economy. just as paul was saying, this policy of austerity because of the refusal of republicans to about can change. we can give states the aid they can to protect the teachers jobs, we can put construction workers back to work by rebuilding our roads and bridges. >> how about the keystone pipeline? you don't need congress for that. >> that's fraction of the jobs that we're talking about here.
we have extended the keystone pipeline at different points in the country. it's currently under review. but that's fraction of the jobs that we're talking about here. we're talking about a 1 million jobs. >> on the reagan thing, if private sector continued to expand during reagan's first term, instead of falling by 600,000 as it has, right there, we would have something 1.4 million people working in this country. the track record of government spending, reagan is keysian. and obama has been the anti -- he's been doing what republicans say is the right answer. if i have a political critique, this administration has been very reluctant to make that case. they have been very hesitant about saying we're trying to do the right thing but those guys won't let us. >> the danger of that argument you were making part of it right now, is that the more you blame congress nothing gets done. the weaker you look.
>> i think they have no alternatives. what do i know about political strategy, right? but, i think this is what they have to do now. they have to say -- we could have made this better. harry truman, the do-nothing -- >> could i say, george? on that point. i think it's important for republicans in congress to come together with the president on some bipartisan jobs legislation. the problem is, this president has made it nearly impossible to do that because of the way he demonizes his opposition, his personal attacks against paul ryan. i can tell you, when mitt romney was governor of massachusetts, he had to confront a democratic legislation. every week, he would invite the democratic leaders to come into his office and they would discuss agenda items. the important thing was, to keep the lines of communications open. the president hasn't done that. >> well, in terms of the governor of massachusetts's record. i think the democratic
leadership in massachusetts would probably tell you a different story about mitt romney's ability to reach across the aisle. the number of vetoes of the democratic legislature says it all. democrats working with republicans has been clear since day one. time and time again, they have rebuffed him. whether you're talking about the secret meeting that they had on the day of the president's inaugural on how they were going to defeat him, or mitch mcconnell's number one goal was to make the president a one-term president, or bringing the economy to the brink of a disaster last summer, because speaker boehner couldn't get his republicans together to make sure that everybody paid their fair share. >> let's talk about the plan going forward. you talked about the demonization of the plan in your words. is that his blueprint for the budget going forward? >> at least he has a blueprint. the president hasn't produced a budget.
the outline of the budget he produced was rejected unanimously in both branches. if we're concerned about what's happening in europe, if we're concerned about greece and we're concerned about spain, we ought to rein in our spending now. and get our debt and deficit down or else, we'll head down the same path as europe. >> george, that all sounds great. but the governor hasn't put any details on how he's going to achieve that. the details that he has put out, a tax cut for millionaires and billionaires, he's not telling us how he's going to pay for it. he's going to deregulate wall street. which we know how that turns out. we're going to go back to risky financial deals that crushed our economy. and the deal on china. what exactly is the governor going to do. >> i want to bring in george will.
>> he'll do what this president failed to do in china. that china's a currency manipulator. china is robbing us blind. they're stealing -- they're stealing -- >> i was very much for that. demanding that we declare -- but the wind for that has passed. right now the chinese economy is tanking. two years ago i thought was a good time to do that. but now, that is totally out of date. >> how do you explain the governor's comments when the president did take action, against china, that the governor called that protectionism? >> the governor has promised that he would confront china in ways that this administration has not. the president has the power right now to reach the treasury department. he doesn't need congress to act to declare china a currency manipulator. they are playing fast and loose,
giving themselves an unfair advantage and that's hurting american jobs. >> the president has had a lot of discretion and used it vigorously. this week "the wall street journal" had a long article on $1.2 billion invested in car batteries for electric cars. now there's a big supply of batteries. a small supply of the cars. complete mismatch. and lots of money lost. on another matter -- i didn't hear a robust answer to george's question. where does the governor romney stand on the ryan plan? does he endorse it? >> he's for the ryan plan, he believes that it goes in the right direction. the governor has also put forward a plan to reduce spending by $500 billion by 2016. in fact, he has put details on the table about how exactly he would achieve that. to say that he doesn't have a plan is just not true. >> the ryan plan and i guess
this counts as a personal attack, but it's not, the plan is a fraud. the plan is a bunch of tax cuts. and then, a huge magic asterisk, that's supposed to turn into a deficit reduction plan. but, in fact, when you look at what's in it's an increase in plan. to say that there's really no plan there, neither from ryan and governor romney it's just the truth. that's not -- if that's being harsh and partisan, i guess it's anti-partisan. >> i z you paul, do you prefer the president's plan? >> oh, the president's plan, there are yeah. no gigantic mystery numbers in his stuff. we do know what he's talking about. his numbers are, you know, all economic forecast are wrong, his are not in sane. these are just imaginary. >> this president has given us four years of trillion-dollar deficits. never been before. not before barack obama came into office, have we achieved a $1 trillion operating deficit?
that's what we have under this president. >> george? >> with his prediction about what the stimulus would accomplish, what his green jobs would accomplish, the fortunes has shot the fortunate. when the leader of the russian revolution made lots of predictions. his biographer said, his farsighted is that none of his predictions have come true yet. i think president obama is far sighted in the same way. >> no question. that one chart about the sty must was long. what's interesting about that -- >> unemployment would go below 8%. >> and stay below 8%. >> they were widely optimistic about the economy recovering it on its own.
the mistake they made, they said, without the stimulus, economy would fall sharply and that was, i don't know why they believed that, this isn't a problem with the president's policies. a couple of economists put together in january 2009, is that still what we're going to run on? >> this week, both campaigns went in to rival territories and said, at the open, david axelrod went to massachusetts. to talk about the massachusetts record. and mitt romney went to solyndra to talk about the president. >> the state was 47th in job creation. fourth from the bottom under romney's tenure as governor, massachusetts's economic performance was one of the worst in the country. >> this building, this half a billion dollar taxpayer investment represents how the president thinks about free enterprise. free enterprise to the president, means taking money from the taxpayers and giving it freely to his friends. >> stephanie, let me begin with you. you saw that david axelrod made the point about massachusetts' jobs record.
in massachusetts, unemployment did go down under mitt romney. under 5 .when he left. >> okay, let me tell you the story about massachusetts under governor romney. it fell to 47th in jobs creation. wages went down. he left his successor with debt and a deficit and manufacturing jobs left that state at twice the rate as the rest of the country. there was a reason for this -- because the governor didn't have policies to get the economy moving again. that recession ended a year before he was elected. and the country was growing jobs. he created one job in massachusetts. now at this point in his term, 40 months into his term, he created about 4,000 jobs. at this point in the president's term, massachusetts has created five times that amount in massachusetts. the reason the unemployment went down, in part, in massachusetts, is because a quarter of a million left that state. >> i like an opportunity to
respond to the political attack and that is the magic number, here, george, 4.7%. that was the level of unemployment achieved by governor romney during his term in office in massachusetts. that's close to full employment. that meant, anyone who wanted a job had a pretty good chance of finding win. i have no doubt that president romney would happily trade his 8.2% rate for 4. .7%. >> it shows why america works as a currency union while europe doesn't. massachusetts had a terrible bust at the end of the '80s and the unemployment rate eventually came way down and no recovery in jobs. because people left. i don't think a president of the united states can solve our jobs problems by encouraging americans to move to some other country to find work. >> this comes up repeatedly,
that massachusetts was 47 out of 50 in terms of jobs growth. actually when mitt romney arrived, massachusetts was a jobs basket. we were 51 out of 51. by the time romney left, we were in the middle of the pack, we were 30th in the nation in terms of jobs growth. that's the trend line you want to see. it's called a turnaround. what this president has been able to execute with the national economy. >> i guess i have been looking at different numbers from the bureau of labor statistics. i think massachusetts was 36 out of 50 states when governor romney took office and he was 47 when he left. >> the question is, what is the mood of the country going to be five months from now? and you would like to congress to do something, if there's anything that we know, anything that congress does now will have an effect if at all in 2013.
>> you can also say that's pretty safe they're not going to do all that much between now and october. eric, the governor was very strong on solyndra. just the day after he gave a report, a solar energy company that romney supported as governor of massachusettes when bankrupt, was one of several coming up in the last couple of day and that was approved by the prior administration. >> he made it clear that his philosophy government shouldn't been in business of venture business. he vetoed funds that were set aside for that purpose. what the president did with solyndra simply exposes the hypocrisies of the attacks against free enterprise. it was a half a billion dollar bust to the american taxpayer.
>> while, just as mitt romney was implentying a program started under a previous administration, the president was doing the same thing, this program was started under the bush administration. the process for the solyndra lone was started under the bush administration and the lone was given to solyndra to improve the clean energy sector. that loan didn't work out. that's 1.5% of a larger loan portfolio that's actually working. we now have the largest wind farm in the world in this country. first nuclear power plant in 20 jeers being created in this country. because of the investments that we have made in the clean energy sector we have created almost 250,000 jobs. the president, you know -- >> it was supposed to be 5 million. >> the president is not willing to cede the clean energy industry to countries like
india. if mitt romney wants to cede that to china, then the american people need to know the real impact not only our competitiveness but to our stability. >> these are -- we're talking as a billion dollars was a lot of money. $15 trillion economy it's not. solyndra was a mistake as part of a long program. by and large it had a good track record. i think to be fair, that's probably true in massachusetts as well. this is ridiculous, that we are taking these tiny, tiny missteps that happen in any large organizations including bain capital. so this is ridiculous and the fact of the matter is, this president hasn't managed to get very much of what he wanted done. it's terribly unfair that he's being judged on the failure of the economy, to policies that were
largely dictated by a hostile congress. >> george will, you're calling this recall election in wisconsin, coming up on tuesday, governor scott walker facing a recall, second most important election this year? >> yes, because it's a microcosm of what the country faces. an attempt to change the trajectory of the public sector. you have the extraordinary conflict there, where unions are defending their privileged positions. it does look like as those that wisconsin are going to try to take that back. the man running against scott walker, tom barrette, he's running against a man whose reforms he's emulating and using. >> and yet, walker is proposing tax cuts that will do much more to hurt the budget. this is it. it's a microcosm. it's not fiscal responsibility versus irresponsibility. it is a vision of what kind of country you want to have and whether we're going to redistribute income upwards. >> more than $3 billion budget
that he inherited as a deficit has now become a surplus. time now to take a quick break. want to thank paul krugman for joining us. everyone else is staying put and donna brazile is standing by for much more on our powerhouse round table. it sounds like you are fired up. >> the candidates' wives hit the trial this week. is the women's vote starting to shift? foreign policy fight. romney fires back at obama. >> what grade would you give president obama? >> an "f." no question about that. >> across the board? >> across the board. and can't wait for george will's take on the plan to ban the bill gulp. >> no more giant sodas. come on, this is america. the land of plenty. we haven't achieved type 3 diabetes yet. >> wow, mayor bloom berg, wow. i love this idea. it combines the draconian government with the overreach that people love with the lack of results they expect. what are you doing?
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♪ i'm going to be out there a lot and i'm going to be traveling and the country. i love campaigning. i say this all the time, if every american had the opportunity to travel around the country and go into people's living rooms and talk and we would understand that we have so much more in common. >> there's a sense in the country that we are in danger. and that we have got to turn this country around. michelle obama and ann romney out there this week. want to welcome donna brazile. both campaigns are going out hard this week. there's a huge shift in the women's vote. a 20-point shift in the last month now. only trailing president obama by about 11 points now. it was about 30 back in april. what happened?
>> well, you know, george, i think that the republican party is consolidating around mitt romney now that he's the nominee and that includes republican women. but different polls show different things. the same day that poll came out, there was another poll by your competitor that showed the gender gap by a bigger margin. there were two interesting things about the abc poll this week, that is really telling about where the election is, one, women believe that barack obama understands their economic problems more than mitt romney does. and number two, that he'll take care of the middle class and help grow the middle class, compared to mitt romney. i think that symbolizes the debate we're having, how do you grow the economy? >> i think women view this election from the imprisonment of their own families. women like all americans are feeling squeezed by this obama economy. in many cases women manage households. they're responsible for paying
the bills. they're scrimping and saving to buy groceries. it's about not so much themselves but about their children and whether or not their children will have it better than they did and they don't believe that's the case today. >> george, as you well know the gender gap is alive and real. but there's a larger gender gap between single women and married women. he's coming back a little consolidation there, but it's not enough to break out in a sweat right now. here's what important, the economy is very important for women voters. very important for single women out there. and if president obama can continue to make case that he has the policies, the right policies, the right ideas, to move this economy along, to keep it healing and keep it to
growing, then that gender gap will only grow larger. >> isn't something about patronizing about talking the women's vote? you pointed right there to one position, between the married and unmarried. there's been a gender gap for election after election after election. but, you know how far back into the myth of american history to see where republicans carried the women's vote, 20 months, in 2010, congressional elections, they carried the women's vote. >> gender gap has been alive since 1980, that's the first time we saw the difference between how men voted and women voted. >> i want to pick up on that, there was a pretty remarkable article in new york magazine this week it went inside obama campaign. it pointed to david plouffe talking about how they were going to use social issues.
here's what he said -- we're going to say, let's be clear what he would do as president. talking about mitt romney. potentially abortion will be criminalized. women will be denied contraceptive services. he's far right on immigration. he supports effort to aend in constitution to ban gay marriage. they go on, are they going to point to romney as a man of the 1950s? >> good luck with that. romney is pro-life. you'll see the democrats use all sorts of shining objects to distract people's attention from the obama performance on the economy. this isn't a social issue election, george. this is going to be about the president's handling of the economy. it's a referendum on his performance. and frankly right now, he's getting a failing grade. >> good luck with that? >> good luck with that. if it's not a social issue election, then why did mitt romney spend the last year campaigning on social issues? these are his positions that he's taken, whether given bosses
control whether female employees can get contraception. or, you know, telling the american people that he'll get back to them on whether he supports the economic issue. so, we agree the economy is the number one issue. women want to see two candidates compete on their visions for the economy which is what i was getting at before. whether you want to build an economy from the middle-out or the top-down. >> how much do these issues matter? >> i think that for getting rid of planned parenthood, or a number of other social issues, i think women don't like that intrusion. what mitt romney is really saying that he's going to do, use government to intrude on their lives. i think they resent that. that's one of the reasons that the gender gap blew up so much in the primaries. >> george, it was a year ago,
yesterday, that mitt romney went to a small farm in massachusetts and he announced his candidacy for president. at that time, he laid out the issues that were compelling him into getting into the race. primarily because he didn't believe that this economy was head manager the right direction. he talked about the massive debt burdens that we were accumulating and would be passing on to our children and our grandchildren. that's why he's running for president and that's why he's going to win in november. >> he put forward the same proposals that have gotten us into this mess. more tax cuts. more tax subsidies. that's not going to bring this economy back. it's healing slowly. 27 consecutive months of jobs growth. of course, it's not enough jobs. the fact is, mitt romney's proposals will add trillion of dollars to the deficit. >> romney's proposals are in specific reaction to this president's proposal.
for instance, governor romney will construct the keystone pipeline, that would put thousands of people to work immediately. he would repeal obama care. it's inhibiting employers from adding new jobs. these reactions that governor romney would take, not harken back to the policies of old but are in specific reaction to this president. >> george, i think we're seeing a microcosm here. tell something about the campaign. when other issues come up, everything goes back to the economy. >> exactly, as stephanie said a moment ago, the question we have been litigating in public this spring, is whether women can get someone else to pay for their contraception. you said, people are worried about whether the government will intrude in their private lives. no, they're worried about whether the government will intrude into the life of churches. like the catholic churches. at the end of the day, we're
all going to swerve back to the question of who is going to put us back to work? >> so many attacks on women, george, and it's not just out of washington and republicans. it's in states all over the country. there have been so many attacks on women. one would think that the republicans would, at some point, the attacks on planned parenthood, republicans are for parents. what are you against, planning? planned parenthood provides a broad range of reproductive health services for women. this is about, of course, testing for diabetes and so many other important programs. that's why the attacks on planned parenthood has alarmed so many women in this country. >> president obama is commander in chief. stephanie, you saw that clip we played before going to commercial. you saw --
governor romney giving the president an f on everything including foreign policy. your response? >> i think that what colin powell said, mitt think, get real. mitt romney saying that barack obama getting an f is one of the most ridiculous things that he's said in this race. let's go over the president's record, ended the war in iraq. we crippled al qaeda and brought osama bin laden to justice. he protected the people of libya. that's just a sample of what he's done. mitt romney calls russia our greatest geeopolitical fphotfoe. what you were saying before, about going backwards instead of going forward, that he would talk about russia being our largest foe. from governor romney, criticizing our iraq policy, with no promise of ending the war, again, or you know, stating
war, again, or, you know, stating that he wouldn't have the nerve to get osama bin laden. i think that the governor is picking the wrong fight in this election if he's going to take on barack obama's foreign policy. >> look, the killing of osama bin laden was a great achievement for america. governor romney credited the president for that. he gave credit to the intelligence agencies that were involved in searching him out and of course the members of the military that carried out that mission. but, the measure of america's foreign policy is how strong is our influence in the world? and our influence is dependent on two things -- our economic strength and on our military strength. we know how weak this economy is. and in terms of the military we're on a path under this president to cut $1 trillion over the next ten years. it's a combination of this weak economy and a hollowed-out military that's going to be weakening our influence around the world.
>> doesn't defense has to be a part of reducing the debt? >> $1 trillion over the next ten years, that's a level of reduction that the secretary of defense called devastating. that needs to be changed. but this president hasn't taken any action at all to stop this sequestration to stop this from happening. >> it goes to syria, first of all do we want to become involved? withdrawing from two wars in the middle east. do we want to get involved in the third? civil war. governor romney said that we should be taking more assertive action to change the assad regime. the question is, what does that mean? >> there are two things that we can say about the opposition in syria, they're very brave and they're not going away. what they need is the capacity to wage a fair fight. so what governor romney would
do is encourage the united states to work with our partners, to identify, organize and armed the opposition. these are very brave people and they're going up against vastly superior forces in assad forces. they suffered 10,000 losses. just slaughtered by the government. >> but a few decades we armed the opposition to the russians. we tarmd taliban in afghanistan. >> of course, you have to be careful in selecting your partners within the opposition. but let's step back for a moment, because, for the last year and a half, this president has not engaged in organizing moderate forces within that opposition. so, to the extent that there's a vacuum that's being filled by bad actors that's the president's fault. >> but once we start, it's hard to stop. we entered the civil war in libya to prevent in benghazi, one city, a humanitarian disaster. we had mission gallop.
ened eight months later, we were implicated in changing the regime. how do you stop once you engage? >> what he's talking about is arming the opposition. >> the chair of the house intelligence committee and the ranking member, believe that's the wrong strategy, because we simply don't know who they are. and exactly what they would do with those weapons. look, mr. assad has turned out to be a brutal dictator. kofi annan have it exactly right, they have to play a much larger role in trying to end that regime and getting assad leave. >> and the other question is, what more can president obama do right now to help push assad out? >> well, we're doing everything possible to isolate that regime, whether it's leading the world to expel syrian diplomats from our allied countries. tough sanctions on syria.
everything we can to isolate and move the u.n. towards taking action. the president is committed to toppling the regime in syria. we have to do it in a responsible way that protects our own interest. as donna said, the house intelligence committee, disagrees with governor romney about arming the opposition. if you arm the opposition then you are responsible for wherever those arms end up. i don't think we know that yet. we'll take a quick break. back with the roundtable in 60 seconds. michael bloomberg and john edwards avoids jail, what's next. >> i don't think god's through with me, i really believe that he thinks there's still some good things that i can do. every time a local business opens its doors or creates another laptop bag or hires another employee, it's not just good for business, it's good for the entire community. at bank of america, we know the impact that local businesses have on communities.
>> when the british burned the white house, dolly madison famously saved this portrait of the first george w. now, michelle, if anything happens -- there's your man. and i'm also pleased, mr. president, that when you're wandering these halls as you wrestle with tough decisions, you will be able to gaze at this portrait and ask, what would george do? >> a relaxed and funny george w. bush at the white house this week as his portrait was unveiled. we're back with the roundtable. i guess quite a different scene from north carolina where john edwards left the courtroom not guilty on one charge. hung jury on five others of campaign fraud and when he came out, for the first time he mentioned his daughter quinn who he had with rielle hunter.
>> andn finally, my precious quinn -- who i love more than any of you could ever imagine. and i am so close to and so, so grateful for. so grateful for quinn. >> donna brazile, the first time he had mentioned her in public. he does avoid any jail time, almost certain that the justice department isn't going to bring this case again. some of the jurors said, on friday, they didn't think it was a particularly close case, can he come back, he had that phrase, god is not finished with me yet. a little jesse jackson there. >> if hi's listening to god i hope it humbles him. i hope he's a good dad to all of his kids and a good man. john edwards was caught up in a series of lies, lies that he could never unravelled.
and lies perhaps that destroyed his public reputation. i don't know if there's a road to redemption. i hope so. because i believe in redemption. for now, john edwards would be wise just to mellow, chill and be with his family. >> george will, maybe the same advice to the justice department integrity. >> i'm glad they didn't bring this to trial. i think it served two public functions. the first is, the jury by acquitting him and hanging on other issues said that the rule of law presupposes that the law will give the citizen due notice of what behavior is mandatory and prescribed. they said in this case, who knows? that's the second point. this case dramaticized how baroque the laws in entrusting our policies have come.
not unusual for a campaign to spend 15% of its money on lawyers. >> how careful are you two in anything dealing with the crossover between campaigns? do you think about that? the idea that at some point lawyers or someone might be looking. >> well, i mean, i agree with george that our campaign finance laws are arcane and complicated you need to be careful. obviously, we have lawyers working on the campaign to ensure that we're doing everything by the book. i can't speak for eric. if he's talking to lawyers. >> in terms of campaign finance, of course, there are lawyers associated with the campaign that makes sure that the raising of funds is all done according to law and regulation. i know that there's an effort, constant effort, to make sure that the campaigns -- both campaigns -- are in compliance with the law. >> it's not easy. one more issue, michael bloomberg this week, banning the
sale of anything over 16-ounce sodas. that ad right there in "new york times." it says he's "the nanny." the first time i heard about this plan, the first person i thought about was you guys. >> let me read what michael bloomberg said. listen to this -- we're not taking away anyone's right to do things. could have fooled me? we're simply forcing you to understand. now, that's modern liberalism. bossing people around. the kind of the gesture that will have no public -- >> it's a massive problem, george. obesity is a problem across the country. >> of course it is. regulating the sizes of these drinks at some outlets will do nothing about it. the sale of sugary, carbonated sodas has fallen 24%. since 19989.
the american people are getting the word on this. what bloomberg is saying, the government helps with your health care, the government is implicated in your health, therefore we own you, therefore the government can fine-tune all of the decisions that you make pertinent to your health. >> you're prix to buy two. >> we have a health crisis. obesity is a national problem. i don't think you can solve it by banning one of many sugary things out there. people will cross over the hudson and get a big gulp over there. i don't drink sew days. we had kool-aid growing up. >> but this is one of the reasons liberals are so enamored with the issue of climate change. they say all of our behaviobehan facts the climate change. the government meaning we liberals the part of government, can fine-tune all of your behavior right down to the light
bulbs you use. >> from soda to climate change. donna? >> george, this is a very serious concern. i commend the mayor for raising about and giving you something to drink about. >> george will, donna brazile, stephanie cutter and eric fehrnstrom, we thank you for being here. and we'll be right back. be right back. [ female announcer ] goodnight gluttony, a farewell long awaited. goodnight, stuffy. goodnight, outdated.
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that's all for us today. check out "world news" with david muir tonight and look at this, just moments ago, the queen arrived at chelsea pier in london for her jubilee pageant. as we leave you this morning, enjoy this look at the pageant as it winds its way down the river thames, 1,000 boats there celebrating the queen. tomorrow on "good morning america," robin roberts and lara spencer anchor live from london. thanks for sharing part of your sunday with us. i'll see you tomorrow on "good morning america."