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good morning and welcome to "this week." the president of the united states. >> obama on offense. >> the path we offer may be harder but it leads to a better place and i'm asking you to choose that future. >> the president and his party make their pitch. >> we believe that we're all in this together is a far better philosophy than you're on your own. >> ask osama bin laden if he's better off now than he was four years ago? >> this man has soul in his heart, has compassion in his heart and a spine of steel. >> did obama convince voters that he deserves to be rehired? with less than two months to go, what will define the final sprint and break this election
deadlock? >> we'll ask our headliner, congressman paul ryan. >> we'll win this debate. plus, newark mayor cory booker and tea party favorite rand paul join our powerhouse roundtable with george will, cokie roberts and paul krugman. hello again. the conventions are done. debates are coming. new polls show a bit of a bounce for the democrats. but friday's mediocre's jobs report may be camp that down. >> when our opponent says that our nation is in this decline, they are dead wrong. this is america. >> here now with a response just
58 days from the final votes, the republican nominee for vice president congressman paul ryan. good morning, congressman. >> hey, good morning, george. good to be with you. >> do you stand by your belief that america is a country in decline? >> i think president obama has placed us a path to decline. americans struggling to find work. highest poverty race in a generation. nearly one out of six americans in poverty. we just learned on friday, it's the 43rd month of unemployment above 8%. for every person who got a job, last month, nearly four stopped looking for work. that's not a good direction. that's the wrong direction. george, we have to create 150,000 jobs every month just to keep up with population growth. it's on the wrong path. >> you and governor romney create 12 million jobs. it's almost exactly the number that the private sector economy
say will be created no matter who's president. that seems to be a concession that your plans won't improve the economy from its current path. >> i beg to differ, we don't have a normal recovery today. just look at the job numbers that we just got on friday. what we're saying is, it's president obama's failed leadership and failed policies which is why we have such stagnant recovery. if we get the right policies in place, the five-point plan, these are good economic, pro-growth policies, that we think if we get those pro-growth policies in place, we think this economy can grow a lot faster than it has been growing. >> but moody's economics said on this path, the country's on the path 12 million jobs. >> we're not on that kind of a path. we need to get on that kind of path, we need to get on a faster growth path.
educational policy. so workers can get good jobs in the 21st century. getting spending and deficit under the control because that's hurting the economy. helping small businesses. making, growing things in america, selling them overseas with better trade. these are the things that worked in the past, they're proven success stories. we want to reapply those policies to the times. so, that we can get the kind of growth we need. >> you and governor romney have argued that your tax cuts would be paid for by closing loopholes for the wealthy. but president clinton took dead aim at this plan. on wednesday. take a look. >> if they stay with this 5 dll trr tax plan, they'll have to eliminate so many deductions, the one likes home mortgage and charitable giving, that middle-class americans will see their tax bills up. or two, they'll have to cut all of the programs that help to empower middle-class families.
>> how do you make the math work without limiting the big deductions that the middle-class families rely on? >> first of all, those claims -- >> how have they been discredited? >> so, the analysis that you're seeing is not an analysis of the romney plan. we think that the secret to economic growth is lower tax rates for families and successful small businesses by closing loopholes. not question what loopholes. high-income can shelter from taxation. if you take those tax shelters away from high-income earners, more of their income is subjected to taxation. here's where the president wants to take the country, he wants to add a small tax increase and more loopholes, deductions of the code.
more washington picking winners and losers. that will crush jobs. you have to remember, george, most of our small businesses pay their taxes as individuals. most of our jobs come from these successful small businesses. we have shown, the princeton study, the harvard analysis, they have shown that you can lower taxes for the tax base, and yes, there is still room left for broad-based policies that the middle class enjoy so no one has a tax increase. we just stopped picking winners and losers. >> many say it's going to be difficult to accept your word if you're not going to specify loopholes your willing to close. don't they have a right to know what loopholes you're going to go after? >> mitt romney and i, based on our experience, to show the framework the outline of the plans and to work with congress to do this. >> isn't that a secret plan? >> no, no. no, no. what we don't want is a secret plan. what we don't want do is cut a
back-door deal like obama care. we want to do this out in the open. george, because we want to have this debate in public and with congress. we want to do this with the consent the representatives of the people and figure out which loopholes should stay and go. our priorities are, high-income earners should not get these kinds of loopholes. we should have a broad-based plan that goes to middle-class taxpayers so we can advance charities. we should do it out in the public view where the public can participate. >> that's exactly what i'm suggesting. having it in public before the election so voters can have it before they make up the mind? >> we think the best way to do this is to get this framework in place, and then negotiate, work with democrats,
work with people across the aisle, have these kind of hearings, have this conversation to get this objection. >> president clinton took aim at the savings of medicare. 35% reduction over the next decade and the president argued that it's going to be devastating for seniors who rely on medicaid for nursing home care. how can you squeeze that much money out of a program? $800 billion without cutting benefits or restricting eligibility. >> here's the secret on this one. med medicaid spending still goes up under what we're proposing. we want to repeal obama care. we're taking the massive increases in obama care. that are a attributable to medicaid. third of the people that obama care is supposed to serve they're pushing them on medicaid. medicaid isn't working. doctors are less likely to take
people on medicaid. we want to reform medicaid. we don't expand this program as dramatically obama care does, keep it like it is, increase its funding and send it to the states so the states can fix this problem. i think government closest to the people works the best. >> but the urban institute has estimated that between 14 million and 27 million fewer people will be covered under that plan and won't the bloc grant planning that mean low-income and disabled people will lose their guaranteed right to coverage? >> no, not at all. of course not. governors are asking us all the time flexibility on medicaid. look, every state has different issues and different problems. so, we want to be able to give the states the tools they need. make sure that they spend it on their medicaid population.
>> those individuals won't have a federal guarantee under that program? >> i won't get into te details. what we have done in the past, they still have to serve this population. they just get more flexibility on how to serve this population instead of all of these rules from washington that make it hard for them to make sure they meet the mandate. >> let's talk about foreign policy and in his convention speech, president obama called your ticket new to foreign policy, that's a quote. >> you might not be ready for diplomacy to beijing if you can't visit the olympics without insulting our strongest ally. my opponent said that it was tragic to end the war in iraq and he won't tell us how he'll end the war in afghanistan. >> so, how will a president romney end the war in afghanistan? >> look, those kind of comments
are said when you don't have a good record to run on, when you're offering nothing but four more years of the same. >> you don't think he has a good foreign policy to run
on, including the killing of osama bin laden? >> i think that's great sesz. success. to your afghanistan question, we have said that we agreed the 2014 and where we're ended with afghanistan. but where we have taken issue is making sure that the generals on the ground get the resources throughout the entire fighting season, to keep our soldiers safe and offer counterinsurgency needs. so, we beg to differ with the president on parts of his afghanistan policy. but we support the 2014 deadline. >> finally, a question about the debates. you're about to have the biggest debate of your life.
coming up in october. you'll be preparing for it tomorrow. i want to show you part of a fox news debate from the republican primaries and get you to respond. here it was. >> say you had a deal, a real spendings cut deal, 10-2, spending cuts to tax increases. speaker, you're already shaking your head. raise your hand if you feel strongly about not raising taxes. >> if you had been on that stage, would you have raised your hand? >> it depends on the quality of the agreement, the quality of to policy. george, what matters to me isn't ratios what matters is the quality of policies. >> you wouldn't walk away from that in. >> there's no deal to walk away from it. you're not giving me a deal to look at, you're giving me ratios.
let me say this, our problem is not that we're overtaxed, we are overtaxed. our problem is, we spend too much money. during the obama years, we borrowed almost 40 cents every dollar government was spending. half of that borrowing came from other countries, namely china. that's unsustainable. the problem isn't we need to take more money from the hardworking taxpayers from america and spend it in washington, that doesn't work. the problem is, we have to get our spending under control. we have reform our entitlement programs. we need pro-growth economic policies to get people back to work. economic growth, spending cuts, entitlement reforms, that's the recipe that works. that will trigger prosperity and get it back to growing the economy. >> if you get the kind of entitlement reforms that you get, you're willing to raise more revenues? >> look, i believe that we'll
get more revenue from strong economic growth. i don't want to chase some revenue line that compromises economic growth. also, i don't want to take my eye off the ball that spending is the problem. the problem with president obama and his budgets are, add up his tax increases, all of his tax increases that he promises will come in january, they don't pay for a fifth of his propose deficit spending. they're just taking the money from small businesses and families and spending it. that doesn't work. that's bad economics. that doesn't help the debt crisis. we want real fiscal discipline. we believe with the right kind of economic growth policies and the right kind of tax reform, we'll get people going from an unemployment line to working and paying
taxes. this will give us higher revenues. >> congressman ryan, thank you very much for your time this morning. >> you bet, george. and we'll be right back with our powerhouse roundtable in just 60 seconds. we're sitting on a bunch of shale gas.
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♪ this explosion of debt is unconscionable and unsustainable. mr. president, we won't let you bankrupt this country. >> when your country is in a costly war and when our nation is facing a debt crisis at home, being asked to pay your fair share, isn't class warfare, it's patriotism. >> rand paul and cory booker fired up their respective conventions. they join our roundtable this morning. rand paul joins us. author of a new book "government bullies." newark mayor cory booker. the co-chair of the democratic platform committee. joining george will, cokie roberts and paul krugman.
george, let's talk about paul ryan. you saw him jump right on that jobs report, probably the best news that republicans had in weeks. >> the two numbers that he stressed deserve stressing again. 230,000 dropped out of the job market. for every job created, four people quit looking for jobs. what this means, if the workforce participation rate today was what it was in june 2009, when the recovery began, we would have an unemployment rate 11.2%. i think from here on in, on the basis of these numbers, the romney campaign slogan should be the title of paul krugman's book, which is "end this depression now." because these are depression-level numbers. if the republican party can't win in this environment, it need to get out of politics.
>> i think that the thing that you need to bear in mind, this is not president obama's policies at work. he had a bill, american jobs act, that analysts said would have added 1.2 million, 1.3 million jobs by now. you have this amazing two-step, where the republican party blocks all of obama's proposed policies. that says, look, his policies aren't working. >> it's a fundamental disagreement where we should put the money in the government sector. or put it in the nonproductive second so, the government sector. those who want to have a government stimulus, they don't understand what milton freeman said, nobody spends somebody else's money as wisely as they spend their own. that's where you want the money. if you want growth. >> the private sector is creating jobs and the public sector -- >> one of the places where the
private second -- where the public sector is losing jobs big time is in education and that really is so shortsighted. if we're not educating our kids, then our future economic growth is really at risk. so, it's just dumb. >> let me echo that, look, the eisenhower campaign, with the eisenhower highway act, those are great jobs that produce a return on investment, trucking companies and other businesses are still using right now. i dropped out of the workforce. i dropped out of the labor force when i was 18 and went to stanford university. >> some of it is also aging. >> this is a president who created 4.5 million jobs. 30 straight months of jobs creation. we're on the road to recover. we were losing 750,000 jobs when this guy entered the office. >> roads don't create business success. it's the other way around. business success allows us to build roads. >> i'm not arguing with that. we need both.
>> right now, mitt romney has an ad blitz where he's accusing president obama of defense -- of cutting defense spending. which isn't really true. the romney campaign's position is government spending can create jobs unless it goes to defense akron tractors. >> that's an inconsistency. >> it's pretty measure. >> and it's wrong. >> george will? >> with regard to the education cuts, for several decades now, we have been expanding education employment and that's not just teachers, there's enormous administrative overhead, we have been expanding them much faster than enrollment has been expanding. second, bill clinton took 50 minutes because he needed every one of them to give all of the excuses as to why these programs haven't worked.
someone once said, proof of his farsi jsightefarsi, that none of his predictions have come through yet. president obama gave a lot of hostages to fortunes about how it would work. >> one of his economist, early on, the fact of the matter is, we were all serious about the numbers. me, for example. from the beginning that it was going to be inadequate. this has come out pretty much the analysis underlaid the program, it was going to turn out. you know, obama had a filibuster-proof majority for a few months in 2009. ever since -- >> but there's a reasons that they lost in 2010 is, the people weren't happy with what was going on. >> you cannot run -- >> but it's also true that the reason -- one of the reasons we're seeing this slowdown is
that businesses aren't sure what's going to happen because of this fiscal cliff that we're facing. >> okay, but who created that cliff? >> you're arguing that the government structure is struggling? are you arguing that there are fewer government employees under obama than there were under bush? >> that's a fact. >> it's enormous under president obama. >> we would have more than 1 million employed. >> more or less people employed by government? >> the certainty for small businesses. this president has cut taxes on small businesses 18 different times. he's done enough to target incentives to small businesses. in addition to the fact giving them breaks for investments. i think it's more important. i really want to call into the question that paul ryan left wide open, how can you call for $5 trillion worth of tax cuts,
give us no specifics, this paul ryan who used to be a man of substance, who put up plans with great levels of specificity and increased spending in defense and not dig us into a deeper budget -- >> bill clinton and arithmetic. >> this is always who he was. >> the governor of virginia said, the final strategy for romney/ryan is bolstering the credibility of their plan. can they do that? without more detail. >> i think it ultimately comes down to who's better for the economy is romney. i just finished the forgotten man. she talked about how business was terrified of the president. another writer about the great depression, in that, he said the continuing
disquieting utterance of the president is, that's what we have is a president who vilifies businesses. >> i'm sorry. you can't have a president that's going to get elected on just trust me, you need to see the facts. right now, they have given no facts. i'm going to cut loopholes. wait a minute, are you going to cut loopholes on carried interest? are you going to cut my home mortgage deduction? or are you going to cut my earned income tax credit? who's going to get tax loophole cuts? that's the questions they should be answering. >> before it never works. because, when you start to get into those kind of tax deductions, there's a reason they're still there. any time you start to tax them the public starts to go crazy. it's individuals who have home mortgage deductions. >> you're going help the middle class? tax cuts benefitting the wealthy. >> there's an argument that, one of the reasons the new deal
failed as the great objective putting america back to work, employment never came to 14%, until we geared up to the arsenal of democracy, as the senator said, because of uncertainty. but there is uncertainty surrounding the romney/ryan tax cut plan. because they haven't specified the deductions that will be closed and we know where the big money is, mortgage interest deductions, charitable deductions, employee-provided health insurance. all of those, you either, hit only the rich, or you hit the middle class. >> the other thing is, during the great depression, we raised taxes five years in a row, and it was disaster, it expanded the depression. it made the recession into the great depression. what does president obama want to do, raise taxes. take money out of the productive economy and give it to the nonproductive economy. >> in the bush years, the percentage of gdp has gone way up.
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♪ ladies and gentlemen, please welcome former congresswoman gabrielle giffords. i pledge allegiance to the flag of the united states of america and to the republic, for which it stands, one nation, under god, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. >> gabrielle giffords, surprise moment at the democratic convention. we're here to talk about the conventions. george will, let me come to you, one of the other surprises, was the reviews of president obama's speech. i kind of thought the sober tone with fine.
>> george, the big difference in american politics in a generation is this, in 1988, michael dukakis left the democratic convention with a huge bounce ahead of george herbert walker bush, on election day he lost by 7 points. it's 24-point swing. in today's electorate that you could have that volatility. that matters, because i think what the republicans are counting on are undecided to break against the incumbent. >> well, actually, it's interesting to see in comparing the 2008 exits with the 2012 average abc polls the groups of americans who have gone off on obama, moderates, midwesterners, people with less than $50,000,
they haven't gone on to romney and that's exactly, they're still getting what mccain got. he's getting what mccain got there. those are the groups of people that he has to get. look, the fact the jobs numbers don't mean anything in this election. i think, everybody's factored that in already. we know what story is there. what the democrats are trying to do and i think probably will succeed in doing is putting together blocks of voters and so, you know, you have women and minorities, gays, this convention, over and over again, the speeches that were not on the air, were talking about gay rights, minority rights, immigration, the dream act, all of that. and i think that the republicans have made a tremendous mistake here. in 1992, when it was the economy, stupid, the minority vote was 12%. in 2008, it was 26%. it's expected to be 28% in this election.
and if that's true, obama, you know can get 80% of if nonwhite vote he can win with only 38% of the white vote. the white vote. the white vote. the white vote. >> senator paul, romney fire up his base to counter, you wrote in your book, not enough for republicans to elect the republican, but the right kind of republican, has governor romney done enough to quiet the doubts among his base? >> i think so. one of the big things that energized the tea party was the opposition to obama care. conservatives know it's a political decision. i think that brought his base together and will help him. as far as inclusiveness with the democratic convention, they do includes a lot of groups, instead of the group that believe in god, they said image is worth a thousand words. but when the images of people booing god, that's a tough image to overcome.
>> you're the co-chair of the platform committee. >> why did you take god out of the platform? >> this is actually the kind of cheap shot that politics makes. seriously. at the end of the day, people look at the platform before it with us there, faith, religion, clergy, all of that was in there. all of those words were in there. you want to talk about omissions this is a platform, it's not the president. when the president found out about it, he changed it. look, i was the co-chair of the platform committee. it was an error of omission. when the president of the united states he changed it. let me tell you, romney, he found about changes that he didn't agree with and didn't make those changes. if you want to talk about omissions, romney failed to mention the war in afghanistan. these are the small issues.
>> romney was asked why the war in afghanistan wasn't there. >> the president is a man of faith who believes in god. mitt romney definitely cares about the troops in the field. they're both intelligent men. one believes in abortion under no circumstances, rape or incest. the other one, a woman has a right to choose. >> you took out language from previous platforms that said it should be safe, legal and rare. i think this democratic convention was really over the top in terms of abortion. every single speaker spoke about abortion. and you know, at some point, you start to alienate people. 30% of democrats are pro-life. >> hold on. we had leaders of the catholic church, in our convention, i was one of the speakers, i didn't mention abortion. i don't think we should be attacking planned parenthood. i'm worried about substantive
policies. like access to health planning for families. one candidate said that we should gut family planning and we should gut planned parenthood. the other candidate said that we support family planning. hold on. >> taking god out may have been an act of omission. god can take care of himself. >> but removing the capital of israel was an act of omission. you go out in newark and stop someone and say what is the capital of delaware, vermont and israel? some are going to know dover. everyone except the american state department will know that the capital of israel is jerusalem. >> the platform committee may have done it. but when the president of the united states found out about
it, he intervened. what romney has done, when he's found out differences, he simply tried to stiff-arm them and distanced him from his platform. we have a party right now, where our president and our platform are beautifully aligned. let's talk about substantive differences now between platforms. not this rhetorical stuff that's using to distract people. >> there are two striking things comparing the two conventions. romney is still trying to shore up his base. obama seems quite confident. they didn't have to make extraordinary efforts. he was able to change the platform in ways that some of the base didn't like. he didn't have that problem. whereas romney was afraid to do that. at this point, on social issues the democrats are the ones who are pushing the vote for us. because we share the values. and i think they're right. >> the democrats also on offense
on foreign policy and national security issues which is a big switch from past conventions. and take a look at joe biden thursday night. >> it's not worth moving heaven and earth and spending billions of dollars just to catch one person. he was wrong. because if you understood that america's heart had to be healed you would have done exactly what the president did and you would move heaven and earth to hunt him down and to bring him to justice. >> george will, this is a big switch. >> since the righteous convention of 1968 and then the four years later, the nomination of george mcgovern by the democrat party. the democrats have been on defense on the issue of defense. that is, they are perceived as weak. this year it's a complete turnaround. democrats want to talk about foreign policy in part because they're liquidating two unpopular wars. and in fact,
there's not a difference between mr. romney and mr. obama on afghanistan going forward. both subscribed to the end of 2014 timetable. >> senator paul, you and your father both tried to spark more of a debate inside your party on foreign policy. >> well, and this is one area that cory and i are aligned. i heard he speech and he said that he wants to come home from afghanistan. yes, come home. the sooner the better. in the area of afghanistan and pakistan, one area that wasn't discussed enough, somehow this doctor's name got leaked, who's now being held in prison, president obama has awarded pakistan money in foreign aid. when i get bam i'm going to ask that no more foreign aid be sent to pakistan until he's released.
he helped us get bin laden. we shouldn't be spending good money after bad in pakistan. you talked about building roads in america? let's stop spending it overseas. bring it home. >> this is one area there's a big difference, we can't shirk on supporting. if we're going to call ourselves "the home of brave," these are the kind of investments but not only wars abroad, we should take care of them in government. >> it does seem, cokie, that isn't a debate that the republican ticket want to emphasize? >> no, they don't. they don't have a real position that, first of all, that's different from the democrats. but also, it's sort of unrepublican to be in this place where there is this feeling they do want to disengage and that hasn't been the republican attitude and i think that, as i
said, it was president obama, part of what we're dealing with here, when we talk about foreign policy and particularly osama bin laden, it gives him the credibility as president. you know, who conducts foreign policy, the president and the state department. and so, he gets to wear his presidential mantle as he talks about foreign policy. in a way that republicans can't. >> one of the thing that's happening. i want to move to the politics now, going forward to the next 58 days we have left. it's remarkable. i want to put a map up showing where governor romney is airing new ads. nevada, colorado, wisconsin, iowa, ohio, virginia, north carolina and florida. and new hampshire. that's it. that's the entire presidential election right now, being fought in those states and we have seen romney lay out millions of dollars in ads just this weekend, state-specific ads.
here's one for ohio. >> this president can ask us to be patient. this president can tell us that it was someone else's fault. but this president can't tell us that you're better off today than we he took office. >> his failed economic and trade policies with china have destroyed thousands of jobs. >> actually in ohio, they are better off. that's a funny -- >> the industrial midwest has made a huge comeback under obama. >> one thing that's striking is how often they talked about the auto bailout at the convention. which affects ohio tremendously. >> in this sprint to november 6th, the republicans are going to talk economics. the democrats are going to think demographics for the reasons you talked about. in north carolina, where the democrats convened there are 830,000 hispanics. in the state that was won by 13,000 votes last time. it used to be a matter of the gateway states of california and texas, still 47% live there. but it's all over the country now.
including all of those states on that map now. >> and this is where republicans have made a major mistake. i did a story in the 1980s. hispanics nations came out and signed up with the republican party. because the republicans are winners, they represent the people who made it. we came to this country to make it. proposition 187 comes up, which was against illegal immigration. hispanics went 180 off of the republican party. now that's happening nationwide and i believe that the republicans have made a mistake with immigration and now with voting rights that will last for a generation with hispanics at least the way civil rights has lasted with blacks. >> we tied immigration to working requirements, if we expanded working permits and working visas and visas for people, i'm all for that. but it should be about work and
it shouldn't about bringing people into the country and immediately putting them on the welfare and that's the problem. >> the democratic wager is to get them to turn out. arizona, the turnout there is only 12% hispanics. the republicans spent 20 debates in the primary competing to see who could pledge to build the longest, thickest, most lethally electrified fence. >> if there's a kid in this country, who's only pledge allegiance to one country, who's been educated in our schools, contributing to our economy, we shouldn't be kicking them out to countries they don't know. so this the practical aspects of the democratic party right now, they're speaking to latinos. they want to know who's going to present a better pathway for success. right now, for latinos being offered by democrats. >> the louisiana republican party was all blacks. because of abraham lincoln and
when you looked at a convention then, see louisiana, it was black faces. but the civil rights bill. >> it was republican of texas. >> we had george h.w. bush in his house once. >> but civil rights changed that. as far as we know. >> 1884, a prominent republican described the democratic party the party as rum, it took a century for the republican party to win the catholic vote. >> during this convention, mormons were always democrats, because the moral act of 1862, the land grant college act also outlawed polygamy. that was a republican congress. >> that's why the democratic party is ahead of history. when you say latinos this is party for you and that's a growing demographic.
when it talks about gays in this country, that denies you equal medical rights, equal immigration rights, this is a party that's basically saying we're going to create an equal path to success. and include everyone in america. >> regardless of the jobs numbers. >> it's not a matter of individual speeches. it's not about strategic positioning. the republican party is where it is because that's where the base is. they had to appeal to their base. by and large is elderly white people arguing with empty chairs. >> you paid a visit to the iowa delegation breakfast at the convention. verybody's here is talking about how the republican party breaks out from its current base, what is the strategy for that? >> you know, i have been talking
to a lot of the national leaders, there are certain parts of the country that we have given off, what i keep telling them, maybe we need some libertarian americans who may be popular in those areas. fiscally conservative policy. might do better in california, oregon, washington, new england. i think if we had that it would be a great strategy. our problem in presidential elections, we have given up 150 electoral votes. before we get started. >> that's true. and mayor booker, you're probably visiting new jersey outside of newark. >> look, at the end of the day, i went around to six, seven states, from florida to iowa and all those states kind of get it. the more successful we're going to get. at the end of the day, america is the united states of america. we the people. and the only way, there's an old
african saying, if you want to go fast, go alone. if you want to go far, go together. america will continue to go far together. >> not only did you go to iowa, you went to the iowa delegation and said that you were a proud grandson of iowa. >> my grandmother grew up in des moines. she came to buxton. coal-mining family. i had a lot of fun with that one. >> george, at conventions, a lot of talk around these conventions, already cut back to three nights, people wondering if they serve any useful purpose, should they be radically changed? >> the iowa caucus. the conventions. >> that's all i have to say. >> we need a little data on who watches these conventions and what effect they have. because, you know, conventions are a government program and an enormous amount of tax dollars go into them. they go on forever.
maybe we should terminate these. >> i thought that the two conventions were informative. people who normally catch politics in snippets on the news, got to see extended laying out of positions on both sides. and a lot happened. right? we saw -- we saw the implosion of paul ryan, you know, extraordinary reputation, because people got to see him speaking at length on national television. we saw bill clinton laying out a case in more detail than people would ever get to see. these were -- you know, i'm not sure that conventions don't decide anything in terms of who gets nominated. but they turn out to be extremely effective educational programs. >> yeah, i think they have. >> i think conventions are great. there's some information to be gathered. but i agree with george. that we should get rid of the government spending on the conventions. in fact, i have been proposing in the senate, what we should, all of the senators should come to the floor and we should have
a real debate. back and forth. sort of be mandatory that they show up. if you have ever seen the senate floor, there's one person talking to an empty camera. more discussion would be beneficial. >> i would love to have more time. but we're out of time. conversation will continue online. mayor booker and senator paul will answer your questions on twitter. and check out excerpts from senator paul's new book "government bullies." on our website abcnews.com/thisweek. first, three moments from this week in history? what year was it? >> -- william jefferson clinton guilty or not guilty? >> president clinton on trial in the senate. the dow broke a barrier. >> historic day on wall street today. the dow went over 10,000 and it stayed there through the market close. and -- >> goal! >> brandi chastain wowed at the world cup. >> brandi, why did you rip off your shirt?
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