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starting right now on abc's "this week." hillary reboot. hillary clinton reveals a brand new strategy on the campaign trail. but will it work? plus, the latest on her next stop just hours away in new hampshire. gop summit. republican hopefuls already swarming the granite state. which contender can break out of the pack and the surprising clashes on the trial. shocking security threat, how that mailman's bizarre stunt, buzzing over tourists over the capitol, could signal a serious new danger to the homeland. inside the white house, the secrets behind the doors of the most famous address revealed by the staff who have seen it all. >> from abc news, "this week" with george stephanopoulos
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begins right now. good morning. i'm martha raddatz and we start off with breaking news, a massive rescue operation under way right now in the mediterranean sea, a boat capsizing, up to 700 people onboard, fleeing the chaos in libya. abc's alex marquadt is tracking it all. good morning, alex. >> reporter: good morning, martha. this could turn out to be the deadliest disaster in the mediterranean sea. a u.n. official this morning already calling it one of the greatest tragedies. italy and malta have launched a recovery mission. this small boat capsized with up to 700 migrants onboard. most of them now feared dead. so far, just 28 people have been found alive. in the past week alone, more than 10,000 migrants have been rescued trying to make this treacherous journey from africa to europe. this morning at sunday's mass, but hundreds more from drowned
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and this morning at sunday mass pope francis called on the international community to take action. martha. >> our thanks to alex. now 2016 and hillary clinton's campaign kickoff, she hit iowa with a new campaign strategy and now we're getting new details about her upcoming visit to the key state of new hampshire, abc's cecilia vega is on the clinton beat for us. good morning, sele sill ya. >> reporter: that's right. next stop is new hampshire, they're pushing hard to make this not look like a done deal. a humble hillary, will voters buy it? >> hi. how are you? >> reporter: this hillary clinton 2.0. from coffee shops to chipotlea candidate launching her presidential bid with a road trip, with one failed run for the white house, in the rear-view mirror this
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time, in iowa hillary is trying something new. in helicopters or giant rallies. >> i'm in it to win it. >> reporter: it's all about the scooby van and meetings with everyday iowans. today, in hillary land, humility is lesson learned. >> this is how she decided she wants to do this. >> reporter: but is it enough to win in this state where she came in a favorite eight years ago and then lost to barack obama? this democratic strategist says the party expects a contest. it's possible that clinton could be beat. >> anything can happen in iowa. >> reporter: no one has sparked a serious challenge yet. but even clinton loyalists tell me they're hopeful it might happen. what does hillary have to prove here?
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>> she has to connect with ordinary iowans. she has to convince us that she's the best candidate. >> reporter: her campaign is bracing for an iowa challenger. clinton makes her first trip of this 2016 campaign to new hampshire tomorrow. no rallies this time. martha, it's all about these one-on-one meetings with voters. >> it is, indeed. thanks so much, cecilia. republicans have beaten clinton to new hampshire including senator marco rubio who just also kicked off his campaign. clinton was the most popular target at this weekend's gop leadership summit. >> that's a lot of chi. otle, my friend. $2.8 million. >> reporter: i saw hillary's scooby doo van outside. then i realized it couldn't possible be that. you don't have foreign nations
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paying speaker. >> i think her dereliction of duty, not providing security for our forces for our diplomatic mission, should preclude her from holding a higher office. >> quite the attacks this weekend. let's bring in jon karl. let's move to jeb bush. this was his first really big foray into new hampshire, what are you seeing? >> like hillary clinton he's talking about his new grandkid. but i got to tell you, the two big names, hillary, jeb bush couldn't take different paths to get to the white house. with hillary, you have a carefully managed events with a small group of prescreened voters. for jeb bush it's been a free fall. >> and new hampshire voters who don't v just don't seem to like him. what this has done, this has given him a chance to directly
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convent his critics. take a look at this when taking on immigration. >> i don't think that the vast majority of american people support mass immigration. you're going to have a tough sale. >> that's my job, my job is to not back down on my beliefs. hopefully you like some of the other stuff i saided and mark we down as neutral on immigration one. >> another voter actually compared jeb to hillary and said we don't want a coronation in the republican party. he pointed out joking there are 95 candidates running for president. >> it might not quite be 95 but a whole lot of them. >> two significant names this week the governor of michigan took steps towards running and john kasick was there. >> talking about benghazi, is that going to be real focus for republicans? >> when hillary clinton is dragged before the benghazi committee on capitol hill to be asked not just about benghazi about her e-mails. they're telling me, they may try
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to bring her up twice. >> jon, thank you very much. and joining us now democratic senator claire mccaskill one of the first to endorse hillary clinton. senator mccaskill we just heard jon karl say there might be two hearings right in the middle of a campaign, how does clinton deal with that. >> first of all, i think most americans understand that this has turned into a political exercise, benghazi has had more hearings, more documents produced more investigative effort than the entire iraq war and at this point, it's pretty clear that she implemented all of the recommendations of an independent review, she's answered all of the questions and i think they're really getting into dangerous territory, where it becomes blatantly obvious that this is just about politics and not
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about policy. >> let me turn to what democratic strategists are saying, they don't want this to be a coronation, a bloomberg poll saying 72 of democrats and independents hillary facing serious competition would be a good thing. you said that you don't think she needs a challenger. >> it's about who's most qualified to be a champion for working families. this is what this election is about. it's not about personalities or what someone looks like. it's not about political gotcha moments. it's about policy and i think what she's shown this week is she wants to go out, one-on-one, and make sure she's listening to the american people about their fears and frustrations. i think the way she is going about that campaign shows she is not interested in a coronation either. >> but you still don't think she needs a serious challenger?
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>> the bottom line is, she's the most qualified. anyone can challenge hillary clinton if they would like to, the reason they're not challenging her is her qualifications. you have a cast of thousands on the republican side they're reading cliff notes. to try to figure out this dangerous world right now. >> you endorsed president obama in 2008, if hillary clinton wasn't the right person to be president now, why is she the right person to be president now? >> that's a tough choice. this is not a hard choice. i don't think it will be a hard choice for america. this is a woman who's tested, who has a strong resume of accomplishments in every important job she's had, she doesn't need to get briefed about the complicated world that we live in. the reason it's not hard is because who she is. >> marco rubio, the republicans of course, announced his candidacy this week, frames it as a generational choice, let's listen. >> now just yesterday, a leader
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from yesterday, began a campaign for president by promising to take us back to yesterday. >> your reaction to that, senator? >> listen, if you look at marco rubio's record, he took a stand on immigration reform and we passed a comprehensive bill in the senate, the minute his party's base started on him, he folded like a cheap shotgun, that's old politics. that's not what we need right now. that's the stalest trick in the book. so, i don't think that he necessarily represents some generational change. >> okay, thank you very much, senator, mccaskill, now to the fight against terror, and a powerful reminder of its cost. you're looking at the spot where the deadliest act of home grown
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terror in this country took place, a ceremony this morning will mark the 20th anniversary of the oklahoma city bombing. 168 people were killed. and this week, both successes and failures on the home land security front. a man allegedly working for al qaeda captured in ohio and abc's pierre thomas reports on that other case raising troubling questions. >> reporter: this week, another stunning reminder that despite billions spent on home land security after 9/11 the creative and simple can still beat the country's most complex defenses. a florida man piloting a gyrocopter thwarting every security. it took off from gettysburg, pennsylvania, flying low through maryland, straight through washington, d.c., traveling just 45 miles per hour. only 150 feet above ground.
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zooming past the world war ii memorial. past the washington monument, right on to the capitol lawn. >> i'm going to land on the capitol mall. >> reporter: doug hughes put in handcuffs telling authorities he just wanted to deliver a political statement about campaign finance, as the home land security secretary put it. >> this is not good, people. >> reporter: seemingly unprepared for small, slow and low-flying aircraft. critics said what if he had been a terrorist with guns and bombs. >> how do they get that close? >> reporter: in 20049/11 commission said that the united states suffered a compression -- >> the government failed to problem ticket the american
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people. >> reporter: clearly some lessons have been learned. they're now much more aggressive in trying to find radicals before they act. this week, authorities arrested a columbus, ohio, man, allegedly inspired by isis online and allegedly trained by al qaeda in syria. prosecutors say a radical cleric directed him to return to the united states to carry out an about of terrorism. in the last three months, authorities have arrested 22 americans accused of attempting to support al qaeda or isis overseas. imagine mags and creativity required in a deadly game of chess. for "this week," pierre thomas, abc news, washington. >> our thanks to pierre. let's take this on with congressman michael mccaul. mr. chairman, how serious a
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threat did the ohio man posed? was there an active plot? >> yes, he said something big was going to happen, he was plotting to attack a military installation, possibly in texas, ft. hood purple heart awards ceremony. what's most significant about this case, martha, first foreign fighter case of an american citizen traveling to syria, training with al qaeda, and then returning to the united states under instructions by al qaeda operatives to conduct a terrorist attack on american soil that's hugely significant about this case. we see these operatives going into western europe and australia. this is the first one in united states. fortunately it was stopped before it happened. >> it seems that many of those who have been arrested are on social media, they're proclaiming their support for isis, it almost seems like we're
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getting the low-hanging fruit. >> right, majority of cases, 100 home-grown plots since 9/11. majority of the cases have been stopped. before they could get in. but this radicalization piece can't be underestimated. social media campaign and savviness of isis and the propaganda is what greatly concerns us homeland security officials. they can radicalize from within the united states. but the case of mr. mohammed out of ohio, foreign fighter going over to train and then directed by top al qaedas to conduct a terrorist attack in the united states. to me that's very frightening. >> i want to turn to the gyrocopter and the mailman who made it on to the capitol lawn. do we have in place technology that should have detected that small helicopter? >> i met with the sergeant in arms after this event. i was on the capitol grounds
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when this copter landed. it's small, very difficult to detect. can fly under the radar like this one. that's the real threat, i think, it exposed a vulnerability quite frankly in this case, the guy's just going postal literally, it exposes a vulnerability that terrorists can exploit. i'm meeting with officials on capitol hill to see what we can do to tighten up these security procedures. >> and you told the ap this week, had it gotten any closer to the helicopter, they have long guns to take it down. but authorities had him in their sight? or could he have crashed into the capitol? >> if it's a larger aircraft, if they don't respond the plane doesn't respond to pilot, they are shot down. immediately. >> did they have him in his sights?
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>> in this case, it was under the radar. the capitol police when i talked to them, had it got mpb closer to the capitol they were prepared to shoot down the aircraft. >> okay, thank you, chairman mccaul for joining us. let's bring in the steve ganyard. and michael, i want to start with you. while in the end, no one was hurt, you heard chairman mccaul talk about this, this does expose a new threat, it seems. >> it does. officials have to guard against the high end, the gyrocopter and they have to guard against the low ends in covering all that all the time is an enormous challenge. we live in a pretty open society
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in order to guard perfectly is impossible. in the long term it becomes troublinging. >> i still i haven't gotten answer whether there's anything in place that should have stopped that. they should have seen that gyrocopter. >> they should have seen it. all sort of things in place. why it didn't get seen, people said it flew so low. he's low, it looks like a car to a radar. to my understanding, he was seen, people thought it was a car, a bird, it wasn't addressed. >> it was built in 1920s, 1920's technology pointing out flaws in a million-dollar defense system. >> michael, i want to go back, 2004, the 9/11 commission, the u.s. government suffered from a failure of imagination in battling al qaeda. are we doing that again, planning for the last attack
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instead of the next one? you have been in government very recently, how do you read-team that? >> it's a great question, and that's very hard. we did do a better job after 9/11. we worked with people from hollywood, the gaming community, you got imagination, what would you do as the next attack, but government is a big organization, it tends to fight the previous war and the previous threat. and if you have to invest limited resources, you're going to do what the most likely attack is and that means, things like gyrocopters that could pose some threat. not reich a commercial airliner being attacked. again, limited resources, you have to make those source zbrs
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when you make those sources, steve, i had to think the next step is drones, we have seen one go over the white house fence, how big a threat. >> drones are emerging asymmetric threats, terrorists would attack our weaknesses. drones are one thing. we have seen cyber, the sony hack this week brought the company to its knees. drones themselves, the gyrocopter is big. drones are small, you can buy them online, we have seen isis flying them in syria. >> quickly, michael. >> steve is exactly right. terrorists will use what's cheap and easy that can have cats impact. >> thanks, again. coming up, the troubles new questions raised by this shocking video, the reserved officer who mistakenly fired his gun instead of his taser.
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are asking whether volunteer officers should be armed in the first place. abc's jim avila has more. >> reporter: in tulsa, oklahoma, a full-time insurance executive and political donor to the sheriff volunteered as a reserved deputy and then pulled his magnum instead of his taser and shot a fleeing suspect to death, it's difficult to tell the difference between the real cops and those backing them up as a hobby. that's what robert bates said on the today show was his role as a reserved officer. >> i do cleanup when they're done. i take notes, i take photographs. and that's my job. >> reporter: bates like the other reserves in tulsa carries a firearm on duty. explaining on national television, he pulled the gun instead of his taser.
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>> you must believe me it can happen to anyone. >> reporter: more than half of the police agencies nationwide use reserved officers. in new york city, they have 4,000 auxiliary police backing up 34,000 police officer. in new york, reserves don't carry guns. >> my own view is that the volunteers should not be armed. >> reporter: in fairfax, virginia, 85 reserves carry tasers but not handguns, they do have access to shotguns in their cars. the reserves are trained by the same instructors as the pull-time cops, but spend a lot less time at the academy because you they have full-time jobs. >> my name is robert mosley. >> fred sandbom. >> i'm an i.t. specialist. >> reporter: on weekends and nights, these men staff dui check points.
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provide security for funeral and fairs. back up their full-time partners. did you feel bad about not having a gun. >> no. >> no. >> never. >> reporter: there no national standards. some carry no weapons. others carry taser and mace. as we learned this week in tulsa, some are allowed to carry lethal handguns. for "this week," jim avila, abc news, fairfax, virginia. >> our thanks to jim. let's bring in john collin now professor at the school of criminal justice at rutgers university. also a former police officer. lauren robins. a professor at george mason university. welcome to you both. john, i want to start with you as a former police officer, the difference between a gun and a taser, i have talked to people who say, if you have the right training, the minute you touch
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that, you're going to know which is which. >> from my experience having used both a firearm and taser. it's difficult for me to figure out why were they confused. these are circumstances that aren't very controlled. somewhat odd to me that you would have a reserved officer in that situation. why does a reserved officer has a taser? one questions from this circumstance that we have to look at, are too many sferprs officers provided tasers? >> and there's also, there have been nine incidents confusing tasers and weapons, you think they would change something or look at it. laurie, do we have enough data of what's going on? do we really know what is going on? we're inundated with these videos now, people are starting to carry these body cams, it seems like we don't have a handle on what's going on.
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>> martha, one of our task force found is that they're insufficient national data on this and many other questions. so, what we need, in fact, is better data on this and many other issues. >> and john, how do we get that? we talk week after week about this. what will change? >> we as a nation have to have a very serious dialogue of what's going on in this country. as itry lates to police-community relationships. my concern is right now, the parties aren't willing to come to the table to have that discussion. we need to look at hiring, training, how we establish physical and mental fitness of our officers. >> and obviously, one of the things that is happening, too, laari, is that suspects are running. and that is a little bit of what you are saying community is reacting to this. but why wouldn't they worry and take off running? >> well, one of the things that
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we need is better training, training for police officers, and one thing that our task force found is that training is needed for both recruits and also for in service for veteran police officers, not just about the technical aspects about how to shoot well, how to bring down suspects when you catch them, how to drive cars fast but about people's skills. one thing that police officers do all day long is interact with people and so, for example, how to de-escalate encounter and john, that's judgment, how do you train judgment? >> it's judgment and experience. martha, an important point here, nobody is entitled to violate the law, no one is entitled to resist a police officer. when they're carrying out their lawful responsibility, that's going to turn out problematic.
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we have to get our arms around this issue. >> thank you very much. we certainly do. up next, hillary clinton's campaign kickoff, the roundtable gives its grades and surprising revelations about families while they were in the white house. we're back in two minutes. ilies while they were in the white house. we're back in two minutes. i really don't know what to expect until i go out there and play.
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clinton leading the number of interactions on facebook in iowa and most of those interactions have been positive, 57%. let's bring in the roundtable now, lz granderson from cnn and espn. republican strategist ana navarro. abc political analyst matthew dowd and cokie roberts. author of the new book "capital dame." so, we're going to start with you, capital dame, and talk about hillary clinton, a lightning round if we can here. did she meet expectations in iowa? >> i think that she did what she needed to do in iowa. she can't just go one-on-one because of the national press is all over her, you know, by the hundreds and so she can't just have a normal iowa trip. >> this is clearly the lessons
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learned, we talked a lot about lessons learned today from 2008, so, why is this the real hillary clinton compared to who they had last year. >> i think the whole trip has been a mistake, because authenticity is what you have to focus on in this. hillary clinton who's gone from private planes to black suburbans to huge events, drives up in the scooby do machine. >> you don't even like to say that, do you? >> it was called the mystery machine. i think is the best clarification of the trip. i think her biggest problem in all of this, is how she does separate herself from president obama. hardest thing to do is to win a third term in a row. and with 70% of the country think we're off on the right track, that is difficult. >> and the republicans are going to hope she doesn't separate herself from president obama. right, ana? >> it depends on how he's doing by 2016. listen, the problem with hillary clinton not being able to go one-on-one is not the national press i was just in new
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hampshire for two days and i can tell you, the press was stampeding like wilderbeest there. chasing down the candidates. yes, they were answering questions. the problem hillary clinton has, she doesn't want to answer questions from the press, so she's avoiding them. >> i go with that, that was a pretty comical scene. lz? >> i think she did fine. the fact of the matter is, she has been in the public eye for this long, there's very little that she can say that we haven't heard before. this is basically keeping her out there. >> just treading water? >> yeah, pretty much. i don't want to be cynical about it, we have all seen the polls. democrats wants hillary. it is what it is. >> okay, more, more in the a minute. time for our a break, first our powerhouse puzzler, inspired by that funny moment on capitol hill this week, when senator pat roberts' cell phone went off. during a hearing. his ringtone "let it go" from "frozen," take a look. >> come on. ♪ let it go ♪
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mistakes in 2008, what are we seeing republicans trying to change? >> i think what you're seeing from the republicans, my takeaway after two days of being there, lot of calories, first it was politics and pies. then politics and eggs and then politics and scotch. what you have seen from republicans is an incredible diverse field shaping up. diversity of thoughts, diversity of positions, diversity of generations of et nicety of experience and backgrounds. you're going to see a very competitive, rigorous open field. there are no front-runners and it was frankly fun. going to new hampshire -- >> ties between florida senator marco rubio and former florida governor jeb bush, political allies for more than a decade -- >> that's bound to happen. >> that's a little melodrama. i think that's a narrative that
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will die down. these two guys are lifelong friends. >> friendships do not last through these kind of things. somebody is going to win and somebody is going to lose between those two. and that will be that. the big problem they have, even though there are 19 of them and they're diverse as you say, but they don't appeal to diverse america. what you got is a democratic candidate, with whatever problems she has still getting the hispanic vote, the african-american vote and the youth vote and now the white female vote. which most democrats don't get. so it's a big problem for the republicans. >> but going after the young voters, and you talked about that, being female, the voters don't seem to really care, i think only 12% say electing the first female president makes them more inclined to vote for clinton. >> hillary has her way but the
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republicans understand that this is probably the best opportunity they're going to have in a long time to capture the white house. the republican party basically is divided almost equally into two parts. there's no nobody right now that coalesce that. which is why i think, the next person who gets into this race, john kasik, in the next three weeks, there will probably be too v two more people -- >> he said last night, ask the party faithful to hold off on a favorite while he seeks guidance from god. >> the difficulty in the whole thing. everybody seems to be focus the on tactics the. including hillary clinton. but nobody has presented in my view republican or hillary clinton a vision for the future what they want to see happen in america and the federal government. until that happens, this is going to be totally fluid. >> what did you learn, lz? watching the republicans. if you could keep track. there were 19 out there, ana. 1. >> it was so much fun. it was, like, you know --
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>> it didn't look like a lot of fun. i'm happy that ana had a good time. the truth of the matter is that for a lot of millennials, young people, diverse america as you said, people haven't brought this issue up so far today, but the fact of the matter is, the republican field is an intolerant field, and we saw that during indiana and this religious rights bill which is just an anti-gay bill. young americans are going to ask themselves, am i going to vote for discrimination or am i not going to vote for discrimination. and that is why the gop continues to struggle to win the general election. they keep holding on to this image in politics of discrimination. disconclusion and not inclusion. >> particularly on immigration. and that is an issue, you know, and i understand all of the arguments. values and all that. immigration is absolutely an entry-level -- >> let me --
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>> and i'll let ana continue. but i have said the face of the republican party has been problematic. a mad men party in a modern family world. that's a problem. come on, this is an opportunity and in my view, you can't say marco rubio doesn't look like and doesn't talk like much of new face of america now. he's latino. they have a lot of problems on intolerance and they have a lot of problems on judging the rest of america that they need to solve. not any different in my view than what they're going to be presented on the democratic side. >> that's true. >> americans are disillusioned period. we had the lowest voter turnout. any large democratic country on the planet. >> ana -- >> okay. >> you said hillary clinton is in an arranged marriage, anyway. >> she is. republicans are getting courted. they have a lot to choose from,
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it's 31 flavors, it's going to get crazy and messy at time. and you know, i'm a pro-gay marriage, pro-immigration reform republican. and i think lot of folks aren't looking at just one issue but the package deal that these candidates offer. let me say this, i don't think it's fair to paint it as all as black and white, there are people in this field that support immigration reform, that have plans, that have written books on plans on immigration reforms. that have nuances on gay marriage. let's remember, only a few years ago, hillary clinton and practically every other democrat was against gay marriage, too. >> i want to wrap with one very quick thing, i want to look at the espn reporter britt mchenry just to change topics here. take a look at this quickly.
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>> do you feel good about your job? so i could be a college dropout and do the same thing? maybe if i was missing some teeth they would hire me? lose some weight, baby girl. >> okay, cokie. just go to you very quickly. >> it's so rude and all of that. the real thing is, she thinks she's important because she's on tv, but that's pathetic. >> she did apology, was the apology enough? >> i think she should be fired. she's a mean girl. she would be fired. the problem that reflects a culture, her ego is way bigger. you think you can do and say anything. >> i feel bad for her parents. you know, as a dad, if my son had done that -- >> i feel bad -- >> yeah, my kids would be in big trouble. >> there are a lot of mean people out there on tv. today, you know -- >> none of them here. >> she's not a sacred heart girl, let's make that clear, cokie. social media today is capturing the wars -- >> and surveillance cameras.
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maybe that's a good thing. >> lesson learned is, big brother is watching. be careful what you say. >> and you shouldn't talk like that. coming up, five years since the deep horizon oil spill in the gulf, is the coast bouncing back? we mark the fifth anniversary of the bp oil spill the accident that shook louisiana's gulf coast, so how is the region recovering, we sent matt gutman to find out.
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>> reporter: it was the worst environmental catastrophe in u.s. history. >> the race tonight to save the increasing numbers of birds and other animals threatened by the growing oil slick. >> reporter: the explosion, 11 people killed and for 87 days millions of barrels of oil spilt into the gulf. this is the bay, critical marshland that was heavily oiled in 2010. black ribbon of oil painted across these marshes. today, in this spot at least, no oil to be found. five years ago, i had sunk my hand in here, probably would have pulled up a fist full of oil. right now. some fresh smelling soil. it was an unprecedented and controversial cleanup response. booms. burns and those chemical dispersions. bp paying nearly $28 billion for cleanup and initial settlements. key industries have started to bounce back. >> we mobilized hundred of
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thousands people who spent 70 million man hours, there's no question that the combination of the response and the natural resilience of the gulf greatly mitigated the impact of the spill. >> reporter: still a cloud hangs over the waters. >> personally, i don't think it's getting better. the waters are sketchy, a few areas are dead zones. >> reporter: levy spent the last four decades shrimping. and we kept up with him since the spill. he's not just worried about the shrimp deemed healthy to eat by the government and rebounding in population, but also his own health, problems he says like -- >> eye infections. headaches and memory loss. >> reporter: after effects he claim from the cleanup. he's one of a dozens with pending suits against bp for
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medical claims after opting out of an initial settlement he believed fell short. but then there's the question of the oil itself. we went out with scientists who have been studying these waters. you don't see oil slick diamonds >> you see these tarmacs still being pulled up. what it points to is that oil is still in the system and just because we can't always see it everywhere we go, it's still out there. >> reporter: we wondered if the oil was from bp. we sent a sample to louisiana state university for testing. we picked this up oil, this is nearly an exact match of the well. >> the product that you have in your hand does not pose a threat to human or aquatic life. >> reporter: how do you know? >> if it's the oil, it's now five years old, likely weathered beyond the point of being harmful. >> reporter: some scientists disagree. >> the outside of this is weathered but it starts to break apart over time.
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and the oil compounding, particularly those that are toxic to wild life, fish and other organisms, it's still there. >> reporter: many of the worst fears of five years ago is the environmental impact of this spill never materialized. but the official report on the on the long-term environmental impacts of the spill has not yet been published. bp continues to fight multiple grossly negligent in its safety measures and response. it could be fined billions of dollars for clean water later this summer. >> the company disputes the fact that we were in any way grossly negligence. we respectively disagreed with the court's findings on that and are appealing. >> reporter: shortcuts were taken, significant shortcuts and that's why the judge ruled that bp was grossly negligence. >> we disagree with the court's findings. we specialfully, of course. >> reporter: in 2012, the company pleading guilty for providing false and misleading information to congress.
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about the severity of the spill. we asked him how much the spill has cost him? >> i hope i don't have to tell you in years of my life. but i'm telling you i'm not the same man. >> reporter: the question persists, can the gulf, all of its marshland, its animals and people make a full recovery? for "this week," matt gutman, abc news. port silver, louisiana. >> our thanks to matt. next, our sunday spotl our world is continuously transformed by the innovation of business, but at pwc we believe that businesses can go beyond products or services to have a measurable impact. as a professional services firm, we recognize the role pwc can play in helping build the financial capabilities of the next generation. our commitment to doing so, has helped our people make a difference, not only for our clients, but for our communities. that's the responsibility of business, and one way pwc is making a better tomorrow. our world is conti
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now, in our "sunday spotlight," the author behind "the residence" topping "the new york times'" best-selling list this morning. revealing to abc's jon karl four decades of secrets at 1600 pennsylvania avenue. >> does olivia know that the president of the united states does not beg? >> reporter: in shows like "scandal," life inside the white house is an edge-of-your-seat drama. but to get a better sense of the inner workings of 1600
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pennsylvania avenue, there's another show that you might want to check out. >> you'll find that there's never a dull moment in this house. >> it's like a real-life "downton abbey." >> reporter: "the residence" pulls back the curtains on those who keep the white house running. like skip allen, he served in the white house as an usher from 1979 to 2004. >> he used to say presidents come and go, it's the staff that stay. >> reporter: and james jeffries, he's been there since 1959, serving as a butler for every president since dwight eisenhower. you're still working part-time with the obamas. >> yes. >> reporter: have you figured out how do the job yet? when you first went to work in the white house in 1979, did you think you would be working under an african-american president? >> no. >> it must have been emotional
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to see that happen? >> oh, yes, it made me feel good. >> reporter: brower spoke to more than 50 people, who worked in the white house residence. including the chief electrician who ran into president nixon moments after he gave his last speech. >> i shall resigned the presidency effective at noon tomorrow. >> the president said, work with me. you did the best you could and the president said, i wish a lot of people felt that way. and he had tears in his eyes. >> reporter: for a new first family could take some time to get used to the staff they inherit. transition for the clintons was particularly rough. in the book he calls bill and hillary about the most paranoid people in his life. >> they have been 12 years of republicans and all of a sudden, this democrat comes in and i'm sure that if you were in their position you would have felt the same way. >> reporter: long before the controversy over hillary clinton's private e-mail server the clintons were
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parentally worried about white house operator wrs listening in on their telephone calls. >> they decided that wasn't the kind of situation that they would be comfortable with. and so, they had the whole white house rewired for telephones. >> reporter: reworked so no one could listen in? >> i'm not sure that's exactly the point but they couldn't. >> reporter: while many who worked in the white house told their stories for this book, they're not divulging everything. you and you and everybody on that white house staff probably has secrets that you'll take to the grave. >> yes. you can count on it. it's the code. >> reporter: for "this week," jon karl, abc news, washington. and that's all for us today. thanks for sharing part of your sunday with us. check out "world news tonight," we'll see you back here next week, have a great day.
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>> in the news this sunday former president bill clinton delivers an emotional speech to hundreds gathered to remember the victims of the oklahoma city bombing 20 years ago today. also, mandatory evacuation for hundreds of riverside county residents as a wildfire quickly spreads >> good sunday morning. it's a cool start from our emeryville camera. a persistent low cloud deck making for a slightly cooler afternoon. i'll have the full forecast and a look at a cooler week ahead next on the abc7
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