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so much to get to on the 2016 race, but we start off with that breaking news. investigators right now, trying to determine what brought down this russian passenger jet, packed with tourists. all 224 people onboard, including 17 children, were killed. the flight taking off from an egyptian resort, sharm el sheikh, it was headed to st. petersburg, russia, and now an isis affiliate is claiming it's responsible. but should that claim be taken seriously? we'll talk to our experts momentarily. but first, abc's alex marquardt with the very latest on the investigation. good morning, alex. >> reporter: good morning, martha. egypt's aviation authority tell us this morning, there was no indication that anything was wrong. russian and egyptian investigators are right now combing through the crash site in the northern sinai peninsula
where the field of debris stretches around five miles. the black boxes have been located and sent for analysis, which should give some clarity on what happened during those 23 minutes that the plane was in the air. the co-pilot's ex-wife told russian tv that he regularly complained about the state of the 18-year-old airbus 321 including the morning of the flight. the isis affiliate here in sinai quickly claimed responsibility for bringing the plane down, last year they claimed to have shot down an egyptian helicopter and in july, the group fired a missile from the coastline hitting an egyptian patrol boat. but intelligence official says that they don't have the capability to bring down an airliner at 31,000 feet. martha. >> thanks, alex. let's get more on this from our aviation expert, steve ganyard, who was also a mishap investigator and retired general
carter ham, a former commander in mosul, iraq. and steve, i want to start with you, and tell us what you see as the possibilities here? >> well, i think, martha, there are many possibilities. the tantalizing possibility with a wide debris field, which suggests an in-flight breakup. only 10% of all aviation mishaps that occur at cruise altitude. so, a perfectly good airplane on a clear day shouldn't just fall out of the sky. so, given russian involvement in syria, there's going to be a look at what the potential terrorism angle might be. but at this point, we don't nothing definitively to lead us this path. >> and they talked about mechanical problems. the ex-wife of the pilot talked about mechanical problems. at 31,000 feet, so rare that an airplane would come down? just due to that. >> it is, and it happened quickly. no distress call. the last data we had is very quick.
whatever happened happened very quickly. it's very unusual. lots of different questions that we might not have asked six months ago. >> i want to general ham, what are isis' capabilities, you hard alex talk about the fact that they probably couldn't shoot something down at 31,000 feet, do you agree with that? >> i do. highly unlikely that isis possesses that capability. but the mere fact that we're talking about this and the fact that other airlines have diverted flights over the region is indicative of the capabilities, at least the threat of capabilities that isis possesses today. >> and certainly probably could put a bomb onboard if that turns out to be true? >> it's certainly a possibility that the investigators will explore but that's a very real concern. >> and general ham, i want to make a turn here now to syria, we heard the president say this week that the u.s. is sending ground forces for the very first time into syria, 50 special
operation forces, what can they do? 50 people? >> well, i think they're a couple of capabilities that even a small group of highly-trained u.s. personnel bring, first, they'll certainly help the kurdish and arab coalition commanders with the provision of u.s.-derived intelligence, that will improve their planning capabilities. secondly, they'll facilitate logistics. and thirdly, they may not directly be involved in controlling air strikes, they'll more effectively synchronize the delivery of coalition air power in support of kurdish and other forces on the ground. >> and do you believe that this is a real escalation, do you believe we'll see more troops? we certainly did in iraq. it started out with 300, now
we're at 3500. >> it's difficult to say. 50 folks is a significant escalation. i think what this is, there's a need, the conditions were evaluated by commanders such as general austin and mcfarlane to say the conditions are acceptable, certainly higher risk for american personnel on the ground, but acceptable for americans to be there to bring those added capabilities in this effort. >> and steve ganyard, i know 50 people, but a lot more aircraft, correct? >> yeah, i think that's the other headline here, martha. we're essentially doubling down on the air power. as general ham said, coalition airplanes come back with cords nates because they haven't been able to find places on the ground. better enable air power. but again the question is to what end? >> okay, thanks to you both. we now turn to 2016 and the critical meeting tonight, candidates still fuming about the questions and tone in that cnbc debate.
plotting on their own without republican party officials about changes to future debates. the republican chairman has already suspended a debate on nbc. ben carson is leading the charge for changes. he's our exclusive guest this morning. but first, abc's tom llamas with the latest on that meeting. >> reporter: on the trail saturday, a new round of attacks on the moderators of wednesday's cnbc debate. >> the moderators were doing everything they can to ask every candidate, all right, explain to me, are you more of a ghoul or a goblin? >> what a train wreck. >> reporter: but this is nothing new. >> i'm appalled that you would begin a presidential debate with a topic like that. >> reporter: but representatives from the 2016 campaigns entering unchartered waters. their demands for debates. proposals like, ending the second-tier face-offs.
guaranteeing opening and closing statements. and conservative moderators. but then this. >> i don't want republicans look weak like we're afraid to take questions. in many ways, i like it, you can answer any question -- >> reporter: meanwhile, jeb bush looking to move on, vowing saturday in iowa he's ready to make a comeback. >> i have enough humility to know that i have to get better. >> reporter: we'll have his chance at the next showdown, hosted by fox business, still scheduled in just nine days. for "this week," tom llamas, abc news, new york. >> our thanks to tom. and ben carson joins us now from tennessee. good morning, dr. carson. i want to start with that evening meeting in washington with other campaigns about debates going forward, what do you want changed specifically?
>> well, we have to ask ourselves, what is the purpose of a debate? the real purpose is to allow the voters to have an opportunity to see what's behind each of the candidates. what do they actually think about the various policies that are affecting the lives of everyday americans. if you make that the goal that will help you define how the debate should go and some of the things that we have seen recently, that certainly was not the goal. >> so, what would you like changed specifically? the number of participants, the moderators? >> well, i would like to see us be able to have a substantial opening statement, at least a minute, a substantial closing statement, at least a minute. and i would like to see, you know, tighter guidelines in terms of people, when they respond to questions, you know, some people just pretty much ignore what the time constraints are and others are very careful to stay within them.
i think that creates inequality. so, we need to tighten it up a little bit and do it more like a professional-type debate. >> and what about the moderators, there's been a lot of criticism, what do you think the criteria should be? >> i well, i think we should have moderators who are interested in disseminating the information about the candidates as opposed to gotcha, you did this and you defend yourself on that, you know, what is very important right now -- we have so many incredible problems that are facing us as a nation. you know, we're being divided. we're fiscally irresponsible. which is creating an unstable economic foundation. we're not taking an appropriate place in the world in terms of leadership. all of these things have tremendous impact. not only on us currently but on our children and grandchildren.
and we've got to get serious, all of us, as far as i'm concerned, these shouldn't even be partisan issues. we have to come up with the best solutions and we have to do it pretty quickly. >> dr. carson, you talk about gotcha questions, but should the candidates be challenged? don't you want to hear what they have to say and have that challenged by a free pass? >> there's a place and time for that. but as far as i'm concerned, these debates are to highlight the differences in philosophy between the candidates. particularly, when you have as many candidates as we have now, the people need to be able to find out what is the thing that distinguishes each one of us, you know, you could spend time forever, combing back through somebody's history and say, like in 1942 -- give me a break, we need to mature in the way we do these debates. >> you saw this week, the president's plan to put 50 special operation forces on the ground in syria, do you agree with the president's plan?
>> i think that's a move in the right direction, because we clearly need to have those special ops in lots of different areas. but certainly in terms of helping to guide what the air force is doing. i agree with that. but that's only a small part of that. we need to have a much bigger plan when it comes to battling the global jihadists because they have big ideals. >> what is your much bigger plan for syria? let's do specifics here. what's your much bigger plan for syria? >> well, my much bigger plan involves, you know, putin and iran, also. i mean, those are the forces that are propping up the assad regime and, even though putin came in there and he said he was going to fight isis, he's really fighting the anti-assad forces.
what we need to be thinking about, is how do we oppose him? look at where most of the refugees are, near the turkey/syria border. we enforce a no-fly zone. to decrease the likelihood of conflict in keeping the forces apart. but also, we need to be opposing him in other parts of the world. it's not just keeping his influence out of the middle east, which he truly wants. but also, in his own area of the world, the whole baltic basin. you look at the baltic states, they're really quite nervous about him. when they look at what we did with ukraine, or what we didn't do, they have good reason to be nervous. we need to re-establish ourselves in that area. we need to give ukraine offensive weapons.
we need to re-establish a missile defense system. in the eastern bloc of countries. so that we oppose him. let's keep him on the run. we need to recognize that, you know, his fuel is oil. and we need to do everything we can to develop our energy resources at an economical rate so that we keep the oil prices down, which keeps him in his little box. those are things that we need to be thinking about. >> quickly, on china the u.s. recently sent a u.s. guided missile destroyer within the border in the south china sea of those manmade islands, is that enough of a statement from the u.s. towards china which claims these islands as their own? >> well, you know, all of our friends, you know, in that whole region, i think, are very relieved to see us doing that. you know, australia also is doing that. you know, we need to challenge these boundaries that are not legal.
>> so, is this enough sending a guided missile destroyer in? >> it's a good start. i hope we continue to do those >> and dr. carson, you say you -- those exercises. >> and dr. carson, you say you worry about the future of our country. you compared our country to the roman emperor, do you believe our country can fall or collapse? >> i believe our country's biggest threats come from within. from failing to address our incredible fiscal irresponsibility by allowing our populous to become enemies with each other, stirring up hatred and strife within our country. by allowing the education to take a second seat, by giving a lot of lip service but not actually taking care of it. one of the things that allowed us so rapidly to advance early
on, was the fact that we had a relatively well-educated populous. he was so impressed with that when he came over to study america. we only have 323 million in this country. we have to compete against china and india, which have over 1 billion. we have to develop all of our people. how do we develop? and how do we make america a success for everyone. >> thanks very much, mr. carson. coming up -- brand-new speaker paul ryan revealing his plans to unify house republicans and where he thinks john boehner went wrong. plus, bush versus rubio, can jeb catch up or is it too late? "this week" with george stephanopoulos brought to you by charles schwab. r is it too late. "this week" with george stephanopoulos brought to you by charles schwab. the right one for her? l, but is it is this really any better than the one you got last year? if we consolidate suppliers, what's the savings there? so should we go with the 467 horsepower? ...or is a 423 enough?
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last night felt like an unending slug, and believe it or not, it could have been even unendinger, if not for the heroic action from the knight in shining bronzer. >> i renegotiated it down to two hours so we could get the hell out of here. not bad. [ cheers ] >> trump 2016! >> stephen colbert's take on the debate. and the roundtable is here now. democratic strategist van jones, hugh hewitt, part of the cnn debate team, "time" magazine's joe klein, author of the terrific new book "charlie
mike." and republican strategist sara fagen. welcome, everyone. hugh, the campaigns are all coming together tonight to talk about that debate, you heard what ben carson said, new moderators, opening/closing, what do you think will come of this meeting? and do they have a point? >> there's an old irish saying, if everyone says you're drunk, you better sit down. how do you sober up from this debate? the cnn debate i'm proud of how it went. there were some critiques. but generally, jake had a very strong control and i think it points to the need of a very strong moderator. all of these past debate fiascos have involved republican debates. not democratic debates. >> okay, i think some people want to jump in here, van?
>> well, first of all, the republicans definitely respond the same way to tough questions, they bash the media. anderson cooper went right after hillary clinton, threw fire at hillary clinton, actually asked her, would she say anything to get elected asked bernie sanders, if the attack ad didn't write itself. they did something remarkable, they answered the questions, how about that? >> there's always monday-morning quarterbacking. let me read some of these headlines. you got liberals that thought cnbc was too cozy with big business. conservatives hated the requests. everyone ganged up. vanity fair, how cnbc lost it own gop debate. atlanta journal-constitution, the spin room consensus -- cnbc lost the debate. redstate, cnbc dumpster fire debate. is some of that criticism fair? >> i think -- >> you were there? >> sure. they could have omitted some of those questions. a tone in couple of them were a
little harsh. but if you look at the transcript, there were a lot of very tough questions posed to those candidates. and in several cases rather than answer the question they trashed the media. >> the right questions for the debate? >> i think some could have been omitted. there were also, a question posed to ben carson about justifying his tax proposal and he didn't answer it. a question to marco rubio, does he really like his job, and he didn't really answer it. and ted cruz failed to justify why he would allow the debt ceiling to raised? >> how should the media react to this? >> what would the republicans have if not to have the media to bash? some of the questions were gotcha questions.
i think that the fox debate, the very first debate, was a real model, because those questions were substantive, they were really tough, too, and i think the toughest thing about cnbc the moderators didn't have the backing material to ask the se second question. >> i want to move on to the actual debate and how people performed, and i want to talk about jeb bush, not a good week for jeb bush, he really had the burn of the night after he criticized rubio's attendance record in the senate. let's listen. >> i don't remember you ever complaining about john mccain's vote record. the only reason why you're doing this is because we're running for the same position and someone has convinced you that attacking me is different. >> okay, jeb's dead. adios amigos, says various quotes. everything failed. can jeb bush recover, hugh? >> yes, it's a long time. no debate in october decides iowa and new hampshire.
supertuesday on march 1st. second supertuesday on march 15th. i will say this, he's better in long form than short form. he'll have to do more long-form interviews. >> i agree with that. i agree with that. but you do have this long history of people having these moments where they're down. hillary clinton was written off six weeks ago. i remember when john kerry was wandering in the vast tundra of american politics and he came back. he can come back. but i tell you what, he looked terrible, he looked like the nerd at the party trying to get along with the cool kids and he was failing. it was bad look for him. >> he has the most money and the most organization, he has the most endorsements, and the thing that he's had that no one else has, he's been through the fire before. and that is incredibly valuable in the long run. >> a different kind of fire? >> he's come up in the business. he's been a governor of a large state. he's had very tough moments in politics. he'll be able to weather this storm and i think he'll be stronger for it when he does. >> okay, the consensus was marco
rubio took the debate. but ted cruz had a pretty darn good night, too. listen to these tweets. ted cruz's focus group dials hits 98 with his attack on media bias. that's the highest score we've ever measured, ever. so, could cruz break out in the middle of this? >> i think cruz could be one of the finalists. he could represent the right wing of the party, depending on what trump and carson do, and i must say that, carson in this interview you just conducted, seemed better prepared, more in control of information, the strongest i have ever seen him. >> i agree with that. >> what happens with ben carson? >> we're in this moment where we have a white female who's a front-runner for the democrats. we have an african-american front-runner for the republicans. ben carson bewilders most black democrats.
he certainly is professionally impressive. usually politically he's probably the least impressive on that stage and yet, this morning, he was great. >> ben carson's people last night said they might not want these televised. the republicans need these televised. >> do you think nbc gets it back? >> yes, i do. >> i think chuck todd and tom brokaw will come together and have a great debate. >> you asked about ted cruz, who's important. he's probably intellectually the most capable republicans that we have in our party. he's going to have to find a more optimistic message, more inclusive message. if he has any chance of being president. >> we're going to come right back. it's time for break. up next, we talk to new house speaker, paul ryan, but first, our powerhouse puzzler, halloween-inspired. here's the question, name the first lady in this costume?
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house conservatives who said, we'll give him a chance, go for it, paul ryan. but a few early headlines when your name first emerged. twruj, king paul pledge your allegiance. paul ryan is the absolute worst choice for speaker. so, how do you keep republicans unified with that kind of observation? >> look, i have been through so much over the years, i have very thick skin. we have been too timid for too long around here. bold on taxes. we have to show people what our alternatives are, and that's the kind of leadership people are looking for here. >> and john boehner didn't do that. >> our party hasn't done it. it's not just john boehner's fault. our party hasn't been a successful proposition party. we cannot run on vague platitudes.
that's why i believe that we as republicans must offer people of this nation a better way forward and a very specific and bold agenda and that is what our members are going to unify around. >> the national review reported this week that you made a promise to the house freedom caucus that you won't bring immigration reform legislation to the house floor while president obama is president. >> i think he's proven untrustworthy on this. presidents don't write laws, congress writes laws. so, yes, i don't believe we should and we won't bring immigration legislation with a president we cannot trust on this issue. if we believe and have consensus on things like that a border enforcement and interior security, then that's fine. >> i want to move to 2016, i think the last time you and i talked, it was on a stage in kentucky and you were on the campaign trail and you were in the middle of a debate, what do you think of the debate the other night? >> i didn't even watch it. >> i'm sure you read about it.
>> i've watched some clips about that. as speaker i'm going to be switzerland on this race. >> you said you're switzerland. you like to say that. but would you support the republican nominee? >> yeah, absolutely. >> donald trump? >> i looked the stage -- not live but afterwards. i said every one of these people would be a far better president than hillary clinton. >> you thought trump's comments were extremely disrespectful. on immigration. that's a guy you can still support. >> yeah, i stand by all of my previous comments. but do i believe hillary clinton will make a better president? no, i don't believe that. look, i think we're having a good primary process. we have excellent people running for president. what really matters is not the personality but the policy. >> i want to go back to you as speaker, you were
reluctant to take this job, one of your reasons was your family, you want to spend time with your family, was that the principal reason? or one of the reasons? >> it's one of the reasons. look, we have 10-year-old, 12-year-old and 13-year-old. i live in wisconsin, i don't live in washington, d.c., i just work here. it was really important for me to stay grounded, stay living with the people that i represent in wisconsin and to be a good husband and a good dad. i was reluctant for other reasons, i never wanted to be in leadership because i really like doing policy, i really like coming up with solutions. what i learned, i looked at this job and the disunity we had, this job can't be done like it was done. if i picked off where john boehner left off, we won't be successful. so, i think this job has to be done differently. it's a new day, we're starting over, we have a clean slate and we're going to go on offense. >> our thanks to speaker ryan. now, let's bring in republican presidential candidate carly fiorina, she
joins us from iowa. good morning, mrs. fiorina. i want to start off with paul ryan, he was a congressional staffer, elected to the house at 28, is he too much of a washington insider to change so-called business as usual in washington? >> well, we'll see. but i think everything you heard paul ryan say is that he intends to lead the republican caucus to providing solutions. and i think that's people want. when i'm out here on the campaign trail, people want to see results. leadership is about producing results, it's not about talking it's about producing results. one thing that i would encourage congress to do is to pass the budget, pass the act which gives congress the authority, the countability to oversee every regulation and pass the border security bill. those are things that would be
producing results, american people would see it and i think it would advance the ball tremendously. >> let's talk about this cnbc debates. are you sending someone to the meetings here in washington this evening and do you think there should be changes? >> well, actually, i don't have campaign staff going to that meeting, i have campaign staff here in iowa with me and logistically we couldn't work it through. the rnc obviously made a decision to exclude nbc from subsequent debates, i think that was the appropriate decision. there has to be a consequence when the debate process is abused in the way cnbc did it. this is a debate series for republican primary voters. and when you don't have a single conservative moderator, when the moderation earns boos from the audience, i have never seen that before, where an audience booed the moderation. i hope it was a signal to the
liberal media that they need to be more deliberate, more balanced and more respectful. >> on your own debate performance, do you go back and look at your tapes and did you accomplish what you wanted to accomplish in that debate? >> well, actually, i don't go back and look at tapes and, yes, i accomplished what i wanted to. i remain the most unknown or the least well-known candidate on the field in the august 6th debate i wasn't even on the stage. in the september debate, i had to fight my way on to the stage. and in the october debate i was right in the middle of the stage. so, part of my objective in those debates is to introduce myself to the american people who don't yet know me. and also, most importantly to talk about why i think we need a different kind of leadership now. because the truth is, so much of what ails this nation has been
festering problems that have existed under republican as well as democrat presidents. >> mrs. fiorina, i want to talk about one thing you said in the debate that's come under a good degree of criticism, something fact-checker was cherry picked and misleading. you said 92% of the jobs lost during president barack obama 's first term belonged to women. the starting date for assessing it and in fact that, according to these government data, more women actually were working at the end of obama's first term compared to the day he first took office. >> well, in this particular case, the fact checkers are correct. the 92% it turns out was the first three and a half years of barack obama's term. and in the final six months of his term, things improved. the media attacks the messenger. trying to avoid the message.
here's the message, it is factually true that women have been hit very hard by progressive policies. it is factually true that 16.1% of women live below the poverty line. the highest level in 20 years. it is factually true that 3 million women have fallen into poverty. there is no denying that aggressive policies have been bad for women. >> mrs. fiorina, you said there was some improvement, but you didn't say that during the debate, did you? >> martha, i've just acknowledged that i misspoke on that particular fact that 3 1/2 years, 92% represented the progress in 3 1/2 years. and in the last six months of barack obama's first term, things got better for women. you have not acknowledged the facts that i just laid out. 3 million women live in poverty. the number of women in extreme
poverty is the highest on record. 16.1% of women live in poverty. the highest level in 20 years. cherry-pick their own facts. >> i want to very quickly, please, talk about just quickly, syria and the president's plan to send 50 special operation forces in there, do you agree with that? >> i do. but i think it's a bit too little too late. all of us who know about it, you can't have a successful bombing campaign unless you have special operation troops on the ground helping to direct that campaign. president obama hasn't been willing to do that for political purposes. it's also true that he has no strategy in syria and for isis. it's also true when united states of america fails to act, as he has failed to act, our options are diminished. >> okay, mrs. fiorina. we're going to get together again i'm sure and talk about your strategy in syria.
back now with more on the race to 2016 through the eyes of the political pros crunching the numbers. pollsters sizing up whether the republicans or democrats have the advantage next year and beyond. democrat stan greenberg is the author of the new book, "america ascendant." and republican kristen soltis anderson just wrote "the selfie vote." george stephanopoulos spoke to both. >> stan, a majority of americans think we're going in the wrong direction, why are they wrong? >> when they look at what's happening to politics, when they look at the tough economy, they're right. i think they're part of a country that's going through transformations that are pretty inspiring. we're talking about economic changes that are making america ascendant. cultural changes that are making us exceptional. >> you're nodding your head. >> i think america's best days
are ahead of her. and i think a lot of this is being driven by cultural change. that has immense potential in it. but stan's also right that, a lot of americans are a bit anxious about the speed of the changes that we have been seeing in the last couple of years. >> that gets into how the parties are responding to the changes and people that feel terrified, you both agree that this is a challenge to republicans, that's the mild word. >> that is the mild word, yes. i'm talking to the kids. for a lot of young kids, they're excited about the idea of having things before decentralized of having government less involved in their lives. unfortunately, a lot of young voters, they hear the word republican and they feel it stands for something of the past. the values of the 1950s, 1980s at best. i think there's really big opportunities in this election with a rather young field of
republican candidates to begin saying, it's time to turn the page. it's time to show the republican party of the 21st century. >> opportunity? >> no, i don't think so. look, i think it will be a shattering election. in aes there's a movie about the republican party, battling in a counterrevolution against these huge changes taking place in the country and they're trying to keep this new america from governing successfully. that will turn out ugly. it's alienating them from the country. >> they're not the front-runners yet. but the candidates with the hottest hands coming out of this week's debate, marco rubio and ted cruz, both in their early 40s, both cuban american, is that enough to crack the code? >> it's just not enough to be young, you must have a message that really resonates. marco rubio is making his theme a new america century. >> is that why marco rubio
should scare democrats the most? >> i think he's the candidate that would do the best. we're dealing with big all structural changes. we have a republican party can which has been fight a cultural world as a divided party. >> take the notion of a revolution, extrapolate it out, maybe the revolution is bigger than either of you are imagining and neither party can respond to it? >> i'm pausing because you may be right. in other words, the challenge facing the country are enormous. we're talking about income stagnation. inequality. corrupt politics. and changing it. there's no choice. you got to mitigate the excesses that are taking place in this country and the question is, how do you persist and create a movement? >> what we are seeing in the next decade of politics will involve this kind of handing off the torch to the next
generation. the way that i'll live my life is dramatically different than my parents. the pace of that change has accelerated so fast that i'm really optimistic and excited to see what it will bring. someone who turns 18 on the eve of this next election, on average, will be voting until the presidential election of 2076, a lot of votes. >> i can't wait until 2024. >> thank you both very much. >> and our thanks to george and the roundtable is back now, incredibly thoughtful piece, and hugh, i want to start with you, you had this incredible agreement between two very different pollsters about the republican problem, so what does the gop do about it? >> stan greenberg paused. an agreement conversation that i had with general ham. a transfornational book, about
information flows. information flows are so fast, right now people are watching this and tweeting out about van or about sara and they're changing the perception of this show in real time and that's what politics hasn't yet coped with. republicans have a great young leaders, tom cotten, 37, the old man chris christie at 53. >> but think about the process. >> what do they do about it? >> think about the process that just played out in the speakership, it was messy, it was young at times. but democracy produced the best result in paul ryan, a young visionary leader for the republican party, and he and others, i think, are going to help lead the republican party into the next several decades and out of this difficult and challenging time period. >> i think the results of their polling shows that the democrats have a huge problem as well. the democrats are locked in to industrial-age structures, huge bureaucracies like the v.a. and
teacher unions that are crippling education reform. the new generation of millennials, you know, 90% of the returning veterans, all of whom volunteered in iraq and afghanistan, 90% of them say that they want to continue to serve the country. >> that 1.of the country. >> they call the rest of us the 99 .. >> look at the republican bench compared to the democrat bench. >> stan was a little optimistic about the democrats to say the least, van. what do you think? >> the democracy is on our side. if you look at younger voters, if you look at people of color on the rise, we have a potential governing coalition that can endure. but we don't have a bench. we decimated in 2010 and 2014. we lost senators and governors. so, when you try to find a vp for a hillary clinton you'll look a long time, so i think we
have been hit politically, we're helped demographically. >> i got to say that, i have been out with marco rubio and he talks about the economy and the future differently from any of the other candidates. the democrats talk about the economy of the past, manufacturing, you know, they're against free trade, they have trouble acknowledging globalization. i think one of rubio's great strengths here is he's one that represents the future. >> quickly. >> he's very impressive. but the most interesting thing to me in that interview how this change really is encompassing both parties. >> and we may see one. >> thanks, everyone.
now, our "sunday spotlight" on amy klobuchar, minnesota's first female senator is out with a new book, "the senator next door." about the surprising start to her political career and breaking that glass ceiling. it was a health emergency that started amy klobuchar on her path to politics, her newborn daughter in crisis.
>> we thought she might die, we didn't know what was wrong and she literally couldn't swallow anything and they kicked us out. >> reporter: despite baby abigail's illness, insurance pomsy rules forbid her mother to remain in the hospital for more than 24 hours. abigail eventually would be okay but amy klobuchar never wanted another mother to go through what she had. she went straight to the state capitol. >> i went and testified about what happened to me. and minnesota passed one of the first laws, guaranteeing new moms and babies a 48-hour hospital stay. >> reporter: that successful fight launched a public service that would take her to the u.s. senate. >> a case to be made how we could get things done in this democracy. the fact that there's some joy left with the people that work in it. >> reporter: do you think you
accomplished that with the book? >> well, it's just the beginning. >> reporter: the first female senator from minnesota, now one of 20 women in the senate. instead of emphasizing the challenges women may face, she looks at those they have overcome. >> from my perspective, i think we need to do a lot more on emphasizing the positive and a much bigger focus on women accomplishing things. >> we don't want to focus on women are different and special. you're saying there are some unique qualities? >> i'm saying a lot of times citizens in our country and voters have a hard time of thinking of woman in these roles. we don't have enough women governors. we haven't had a women president. and by actually giving the voters the fact that these women have done these big things, done the "mansize" jobs, i think that gives them the credibility, the belief they can actually vote
for them. >> you didn't call the book the president next door, how about your ambitions? >> i love my job now and i think we're living in a time where people are pretty down on washington, down on congress, and some of us just have to rise above that and get some things done and that's what i'm doing right now. and that's why i called it "the senator next door." >> and you're very good at not answering that question, aren't you? >> there's a lot of people running for president right now. >> our thanks to senator klobuchar. that's all for us today. thank you for sharing part of your sunday with us. check out "world news tonight" and tuesday on "good morning america," donald trump will be live in times square. we'll see you back here next week. have a great day. have a great day.