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>> announcer: starting right now on abc's "this week" -- live from new york. with the gop debate just days away, the donald does "snl." >> why are you hosting "saturday night live"? why? and the answer is, i really have nothing better to do. >> donald trump is here live. front-runner fire storm, ben carson now forced to explain himself. >> don't lie. >> amid accusations that his famous life story just doesn't add up. dr. carson is here, answering the tough questions. plus, stepped-up security. brian ross on the new measures to protect your next flight and the first clues from that doomed flight's cockpit voice recorder.
from abc news, "this week" with george stephanopoulos begins now. good morning. one year away from election day, another big week on the campaign trail and both republican front-runners, donald trump and ben carson, join us live this morning after this report from jon karl. >> ladies and gentlemen, donald trump! >> reporter: live from new york, donald trump took center stage on saturday night. >> donald. >> enrique. >> i brought you the check for the wall -- >> reporter: but on friday, it was trump's chief rival in the polls, ben carson who put on a show. >> what a bunch of garbage. where is the exaggeration? that is the most lame investigation i have ever seen. >> reporter: the usually serene carson is lashing out after accusations that parts of his life story don't add up. >> they have been talking to everybody i ever known. there's got to be a scandal. there's got to be something.
they're getting desperate. >> reporter: the latest questions raised by "the wall street journal," center on a story that carson told his in autobiography "gifted hands." as a student at yale, he was only one out of 150 students who didn't fall for a teacher's hoax. he was then named the most honest student in class. his photo taken by the yale daily news. but yale tells "the wall street journal," there was no class by that name and no such photo in the yale newspaper archives. when asked about the report, carson's campaign said there are no allegations and he probably doesn't remember the name of the class. carson has also faced criticism on claims he offered a scholarship to west point. and whether he was angry when he was young. >> at age 14, another teenager
angered me and i had a large camping knife. i tried to stab him in the and. >> reporter: but he says that is when he rejected anger and gave his life to god. donald trump isn't buying the transformation. >> do you think that's the right temperament to be president? i don't think so. >> reporter: since trump's vowel neshlt, carson sees just the other. >> guys trying to pile on, it may help him. >> reporter: carson's campaign said it's raised $3.5 million this week, thanks to the so-called bias media. for "this week," jonathan karl, abc news. dr. carson joins us by phone. thank you for joining us this morning. you showed anger this week, in the end, do you think all these questions are really going to help your campaign? >> yeah, because, people are clearly able to see what's going
on. when i'm out in the public, the number of people who come up and say, don't let them get you down, we got your back, we know what you're talking about, we believe you. and, you know, you look at the political hits this week, even some of you guys in the media called them out on that. that's pretty sad. today, when "the wall street journal" comes out and says, questioning the psychology course, you said, we didn't find any evidence of it. we found it, we're going to be putting it out. we found the article in the yale daily news. why can we find it and they can't find it? >> explain that, dr. carson, explain that. "the wall street journal" said in this class you're named the most honest student, but they couldn't find the name of the class or any record of it at yale, what exactly have you found?
>> well, we found the article from the yale daily news about the whole scandal -- but we found it. the course i guess was called psychology 10. you know, when you write a book with a co-writer, and you say there was a class, a lot of times they'll put a number or something on it to give it more meat. obviously, decades later, i'm not going to remember the course number. >> if it's not just the press who raised questions, as you know donald trump has put out a series of tweets about you this week, saying the story about the rotc and west point was one of many lies about ben carson. he says this is the beginning of the end of your campaign, what is your response? >> well, it's been proven that it wasn't a lie. but, you know, what does it say about people who immediately
jump on the bandwagon if they hear something rather than waiting and finding out what the truth is -- >> what does it say? >> well, let me put it this way, i would not be anxious -- >> now, there have been a series of questions about the stories you told about your past and, as you pointed out, you have had explanations from many of them, other cases they don't match the public record or the memories of others involved, is this really all the media's fault -- >> like what? give me an example. >> for example, when you talked about a scholarship to west point, you went on to clarify -- >> wait a minute, george, go look on the west point website and you'll see those specific words, full scholarship to west
point, so, even though it is given as a grant for anybody who gets in, those words are used, and if a recruiter or somebody is trying to get you to come there, those are the words that they would use. it's on their very website. so, don't say that's not a lie. >> i didn't call it a lie, it didn't match the public record of the precise memories of others, so that's my question, do you believe that you'll have to get a little more precise in your documenting of your past? >> well, show me somebody, even from your business, the media, who was 100% accurate in everything that they say that happened 40 or 50 years ago. please show me that. because i'll sit at their knee and learn from them. >> going forward, no changes in your campaign? >> absolutely not, our campaign is the same. we tell the truth, we deal with the issues. and, you know, i'm not a
politician, so, you know, you're not going to find me acting like a politician, i don't do that. i'm somebody who's extremely concerned about the direction of our nation and what's going to happen to us if we continue down this pathway and i am very hopeful that the people in your business, the media, will soon recognize the role that they play in helping to restore the american dream. >> dr. carson, thanks for joining us this morning. >> thank you, george. and joining us now donald trump also by phone this morning. mr. trump, thank you for joining us this morning. you just heard dr. carson respond to your tweets from earlier in the week. your response to dr. carson? >> look, i hope it works out for him. it's a strange situation. when you talk about stabbing somebody, but the knife saved him. you know, the belt buckle saved him. i mean, it's a weird deal going on.
and i hope it all works out. because i don't see ben have problems over this stuff. it's a very strange situation. i guess a book was written before he ran for politics. but he said he has a pathological disease in the book, that's a very serious problem, because that's not something that's cured. that's something that you have to live with and that's a very serious thing to live with. >> but in the past, you have admitted to inflating the value of your properties. is that what carson is doing here? >> i don't know what he's doing. i can say that i never tried to hit my mother in way, shape or form. by the way, my properties are some of the most valuable properties in the world. you know some of them. i have some of the great properties of the world. i built an amazing company with a tremendous net worth, whether it's $5 billion or $10 billion, everybody agrees it's magnificent.
so, i don't know what you're talking about. >> if ben carson falls, where do the votes go? is he your top rival? >> well, it seems. you know who's number one. i'm number one and he's number two. i would say the person who's number two is my top rival. and in all fairness to ben, he's been the closest with all of these politicians running, ben has been the closest to -- i have been there for 110 days or something, he's been really up there, the closest, and he's hanging around. so, let's see, and i hope this work out for him, frankly, i hope there's not going to be a problem for him. but a lot of statements that are very troubling statements. and for him, too, he understands that. >> let's turn to isis, more evidence that this plane was brought down -- this russian plane was brought down by some kind of explosion, do you believe isis was behind it and what should the united states do behind it? >> well, i think it was an
explosion. not sure if it was isis. there are a lot of groups over there. but we'll have to do very strong over there. the world is really going to be cratering. if you stop transportation, you're talking about the blood of the world and we'll have to be very, very strong. we'll have to take away the energy, the fuel, the money from isis, because -- and in the case of isis, i have been saying this for years, we have to stop the source of money and the source of money is oil. and we have to knock the hell out of the oil and we're going to have to do it because isis is making a fortune, they have better access to internet than we do. they're recruiting people from our country and who knows what they're planning. we better do something, we better be smart. don't forget, i wrote about osama bin laden in my book before the world trade center was knocked down and a lot of people are saying, wow, trump actually predicted that. but i was writing about osama bin laden before the world trade center came down.
>> you would step up the campaign against isis even though you believe that vladimir putin is getting stuck in a quagmire -- >> i'm looking to take the oil. i want to take the oil. i want the oil and i have been saying that for a long time. the middle east is one big, fat quagmire. whether it's afghanistan, putin, if you look at the soviet union, it used to be the soviet union, they essentially went bust and it became russia, a much smaller version. because of afghanistan, they spent all their money. now, they're going into syria. i'm all for russia going in and knocking and dropping bombs on isis. as far as i'm concerned, we don't have to have exclusivity on that. but we'll have to do something about isis and what's going on over there. probably it was a bomb and probably it was planted by one of the groups over there, whether it's isis or somebody else. we'll have to take some very, very serious actions. >> let me ask you about something that
came up in this new biography of george h.w. bush by jon meacham. in it it says the new york developer donald trump mixed his availability as a vice presidential candidate to lee atwater, bush thought the overture, strange and unbelievable. that's what he wrote in his diary. >> you know, lee atwater was a very good friend of mine, as you may have known. he was a great guy and i was a very political person for a long period of time and i was a big contributor and i was asked that question by lee, he said, what do you think about that idea? i said, lee, i don't know. it doesn't sound right. at that time i had no political aspirations. >> he made the overture to you? >> that's right. >> lot of talk about addiction on the campaign trail in new hampshire. you're not excluded from this issue. you have never used drugs, no smoking, no drinking, what shaped that decision? >> well, you know, really, i have so many people over the years where they became
alcoholics, and so many people and so tremendous in every respect, they became alcoholics or they started taking drugs and it became addictive, and i watched it, and i never drank and i never took drugs and i don't smoke. you know, i'm lucky in that respect. i have friends trying not to smoke, for example. still it's a problem. i don't understand why would they smoke, drink or take drugs? the way you don't understand it, you don't do it. i always try my kids, don't smoke, don't drink. who knows, i think they don't. but who really knows what's going on, but it's a tremendous problem. you know, in new hampshire, i have developed such great friendships in new hampshire, they are having a tremendous drug problem. tremendous heroin problem in new hampshire. which will be stopped because i'm going to build a wall.
it will be built, if you look at the numbers with mexico, they're making a fortune off the united states and we'll stop that problem to a large extent. but the heroin problem in new hampshire and other places -- and we have to stop it. >> you used to think that legalization take, taking the profit out would solve that problem, what changed your mind? >> i did. not think about it. something that should be studied and continued to be studied. it's something that maybe it has to be looked at, because we do such a poor job of policing. we don't want to build walls, we don't want to do anything. if you don't want to do any policing you have to look at other alternatives. i looked at it. if we police properly, we shouldn't do that.
>> as you point out, you're going to be front and center at the debate tuesday night, what do you expect? >> i think it's going to be more of the same, questions, i think it's going to be fair questions. a good group of people. neil cavuto, and maria, i think it's going to be very fair questions. unlike the last deal. >> donald trump, thanks for joining us this morning. >> thank you very much. when we come back, the roundtable weighs in on all of the week's politics. bernie sanders joins us, too. and all the latest on the plane crash in egypt and the new security measures to keep our flights safe. >> announcer: "this week" with george stephanopoulos brought to you by bdo.
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we have the latest now on that plane crash in egypt, this weekend, the most solid evidence yet from the plane's cockpit voice recorder and the new efforts to protect americans traveling by air and abc's brian ross has more on investigators have found. >> reporter: in the weeks since the plane went down, virtually every piece of evidence gathered from the plane, u.s. and british investigators aren't still allowed access to the accident scene in the desert. but this morning, the u.s. says the russians have accepted an offer. officials in cairo saturday, for the first time, described a distinct but undetermined noise heard just before the cockpit voice recorder stopped working. >> a loud noise was heard in the last seconds of the cvr recording. >> reporter: u.s. experts say
it's possible and very quickly to determine if that noise was a bomb and, if so, where was it placed. >> that noise is very sudden, very sharp, it has a very distinctive profile to it compared to other noises. so, you can tell bombs, they stand out. >> reporter: but there is already a growing consensus by those in the u.s. and british counterterrorism community that isis smuggled a bomb on the plane at the sharm el sheikh airport. >> the key here was to get it on there, to corrupt somebody who's in the process that can get out on the ramp and do the kind of things that were necessary in this case. >> reporter: u.s. and british officials tell abc news that electronic intercepts of isis fighters before and after the crash, indicated they had likely infiltrated or compromised airport security, which led british officials to cancel all flights in and out of sharm el sheikh.
fearful that increasingly jihadist groups are sharing bombmaking information, crowd sourcing terror techniques. egyptian investigators say it still could be days more before an initial determination that brought down a plane is made. >> okay, brian, thanks very much. let's talk now to two congressmen keyed into this investigation, republican peter king, democrat adam schiff. congressman king, do you join this consensus that this was a bomb planted by isis? >> from everything i have seen, that it was isis or an isis affiliate. to me that's the general consensus among the people i have spoken with. until it's final, we can't say. but right now all of the evidence puts in that direction.
evidence puts in that direction. >> and mr. schiff, this was likely put onboard by an airplane worker? >> well, i share peter king's assessment that this was a bomb, still not conclusive. but a growing body of evidence. i also think that isis' best way to defeat airplane defenses was not to go through but to go around them with the help of somebody on the inside. probably at least a dozen airports in the region and beyond that are vulnerable to the same kind of approach, which is exactly why we have to harden those defenses. >> and congressman king, this would be a game-changing strategy by isis, not local, regional, global, what are the implications? >> these are very serious implications. right, isis hasn't gone international, certainly not to this extent. what adam said is 100%. number of airports, regional airports which don't have the
anywhere near the security they need. we'll have to assess that. security will be tightening up. i think western countries have to play more of a role in firming up the security at those airports. absolutely. >> congressman schiff, this announcement from the tsa on friday, tightening up security here in the united states, what more needs to be done overseas? >> a lot more needs to be done overseas to make sure these airports have the precautions in place, examine employees that have access and responsible for the security itself. this is a vulnerability in every country in which isis or al qaeda is presence. i want to underscore, this is a problem here at home. when we test the tsa, they fail. and i think we really need to step up our security here, but i do think, george that, with
this, if this a bomb by affiliate by isis, isis has eclipsed al qaeda as the gravest terror threat in the world. >> president obama will have to do more in the fight against isis in the region? >> i think we have both u.s., russians and others, we have to keep this up, we have to have at least observers on the ground. the air attacks haven't been effective. reports our allies are falling back, the u.s. is falling back. this has been an all-out effort. i don't think the president has done enough as far as having the forces on the ground that are necessary to make the air attacks more effective. >> congressman schiff, do you agree with that? >> well, i agree with that president's approach has a battlefield that's pretty static and more is going to have to done, frankly, we'll have to see whether the turks and jordanians will do more. >> a long-term battle.
congressmen, thank you very much. coming up, the roundtable weighs in all of the week's politics. plus, we talk to the author of the new biography of george h.w. bush, jon meacham. life's simple pleasures. now it's our turn. i'm doing the same for my family. retirement and life insurance solutions from pacific life can help you protect what you love and grow your future with confidence. pacific life. helping generations of families achieve long-term financial security for over 145 years.
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i think that when president obama was running for re-election, i was glad to step up and work very hard for him while senator sanders was trying to find primary him. i'm a democrat, a lifelong democrat. i'm not a former independent. i'm not a former republican. i believe in the party of roosevelt and john f. kennedy. >> that's martin o'malley. the senator he's talking about is bernie sanders, he joins us again. he was bringing up that whole issue of not being a life long democrat, being disloyal to president obama, what do you respond to what martin omali said on friday night? >> let me respond. i'm proud of the fact that i'm the longest serving independent in the history of the united states congress, that's what the people of vermont voted for. i made a decision in this presidential election that i'll run as a democrat. i'm a democrat now. as the democratic nominee, if we
win this thing, to create a new and democratic party, to involve millions of people, george, who have given up on the political process, working-class people and young people who today, say, you know what, the economy is rigged, nothing i can do about it. campaign finance system is corrupt. big money controls what i'm -- what is going on. what i'm trying to do is bring out large number of young people, we're going to transform america. and create an economy that works for everyone. we're going to get rid of the citizens united, supreme court decision, and create a vibrant democracy so that we don't have the lowest voter turnout of almost any major country on earth, but one of the largest and strongest voter turnout. >> what about this trying to gin up opposition to president obama the last time around? >> no, this is media stuff. what i have done is a radio show every single friday, somebody asked me years ago, do you think
there should be a primary opponent to barack obama? i don't know exactly the words that i said, what's wrong with the primary situation? >> you said one of the reasons -- >> one second, george. >> here's what you said. >> that's categorically false. >> okay. >> i'm sorry -- >> you would be talking to people a bit about having primary opposition. >> well, the answer is, i worked very hard to see barack obama elected. he came to vermont to campaign for me. i worked for him in 2008 and 2012. and listen, i think under the incredible republican obstructionism. president obama and vice and vice president biden have moved this country forward than when bush left office. do i have disagreements with
obama? do i disagree with him on tpp? yes, i do. but barack obama is a friend of mine. i think he's been a very strong president and guided this country under a difficult moment in history. >> how to take on isis, you opposed his new decision to put special opposition boots on the ground. the threat seems to be expanding not receding, how would you counter it? >> well, here's what we have, as you know, in 2002, when bush and, you know, suggested -- and cheney -- we should go to war in iraq, i listened very carefully to what they said. i voted against that war, i think that history would recall that as the right vote. on the senate floor, i'm listening to my republican colleagues, they want boots on the ground, they want to expand our -- look, you got an unbelievably complicated mess,
what the president is to thread a difficult needle, he's trying to defeat isis and trying to get rid of this tremendous dictator assad. i'm more conservative on this than he is and i worry that once we get sucked into this, once a plane gets shot down, then we send more in. this place is a quagmire in a quagmire and i fear perpetual u.s. warfare in that area. it must be defeated by the muslim nations in that region. america can't do it all. and we need an international coalition. russia be a part of it. uk should be a part of it. france. fighting for the soul of islam and defeating this terrible isis organization. >> you also have started express your differences with hillary
clinton more and more, but is it any right for you to tell the boston globe, i disagree with hillary clinton on virtually everything? >> well, the answer is yes and no. yes, we do agree on a number of issues. and by the way, on her worst day, hillary clinton will be an infinitely better and republican presidecandidate best day. but having said, we have significant differences. i see a nation in which we have a grotesque of wealth and inequality. i see a political system which is corrupt, where superpacs are able to receive huge amounts of money from millionaires and billionaires. i think if you look at my history and what i'm saying in this campaign, we need a political revolution. we need to stand up to the top
1%, we need to transform american politics and the way we do economics and, by the way, george, if i may, we need have a media more interested in the issues facing middle class. rather than political -- so, do i agree with hillary clinton? of course, i do. on issues like wall street, you know, i believe these guys who drove our economy into the ground, destroyed so many lives, i think at the end of the day, what we have to do is re-establish, we have to break up these huge financial institutions. that's not hillary clinton's position at all. you know, i was there on the tpp from way back. hillary clinton took a little while to get there. >> senator sanders, thanks very much for joining us this morning. >> thank you. up next, former george h.w. bush blasting his sons in a new book. find out why when we talk to
author jon meacham. back now with that new biography of president george h.w. bush making big headlines this week. pulitzer prize winner jon meacham was granted unprecedented access to the president for the book. the former president's first public critique of george w.'s presidency, tough words for dick cheney and donald rumsfeld and the rhetoric of his son.
>> states like these and terrorist allies constitute an axis of evil. >> axis of evil didn't like that. >> he thought the swaggering image of bush 43 administration, was a diplomatic problem. he held cheney and rumsfeld to some degree responsible for it. but gentlemanly, and honestly, intellectually honestly, he did tell me ultimately it's the president's fault. >> reporter: bush told meacham that cheney is hard-line, a man who built his own empire. also goes against his code as vice president. >> i think it's fair to say that dick cheney saw it himself as much more of an operational officer. of the government. and when i told cheney those remarks, he said, we just have two very different visions of vice presidency. >> reporter: not pushing
something on 43? >> no, no. >> reporter: 41 calls rumsfeld as arrogant and served the president badly. rumsfeld hasn't responded. >> all i'll say to secretary rumsfeld on that, the comments were made beginning in 2008, so, seven years ago, it was not a passing comment, i took a transcript of all of those remarks to president bush 41, and i said i can't take these off the record, but if you'd like to say, i said this in the heat of the moment, i rethought this, i'll note that. he looked me right in the eye and said, that's what i said. >> why do you think he chose to speak out in this way? >> i think the son's presidency was ending. i think that he does believe in history, i think that he
understood that there was fairly, and unfairly, a sense that the 43 administration was swaggering too much. there was too much swagger and not enough diplomatic substance. >> and he kind of believes that? >> he did believe it. 43 disagrees with it. >> reporter: his own years in the oval office. he had these great triumphs. the gulf war, managing this transition at the end of the cold war, which leads to, in your words, the great despondency. >> the great despondency, he was so down after the gulf war. >> aggression is defeated. the war is over. [ applause ] >> he said in his diary that there is no battleship missouri moment. what kind of victory is it when the enemy remains in power? he was as frustrated about that as a lot of other americans were, but he knew that he had done the right thing.
>> clinically depressed? >> i don't think clinically depressed, i think he was very, very down. i think he's beginning to move into that thyroid condition which can affect your mood. >> reporter: driving bush to consider a dramatic move. >> he really believed that he might one day walk in to press room and say i'm not going to run again. he fantasized about that. >> do you think he wishes now that he would have? >> no. he's too competitive. >> reporter: all throughout the book, he's a proud father. >> he said that topping saddam was a proud moment in america history. >> reporter: and jeb bush? and on his own legacy, bush is strikingly modest. he leaves the white house and his judgment to him, in retrospect, that he's an asterisk in history. >> he said i feel like an asterisk.
on another occasion, i feel lost between great hero the trumpets of reagan and the trials and tribulations of my sons. >> what is his place in history? >> i think he looks better and better, a president of great consequence. roundtable is up next, their take on the targeting of ben carson, donald trump's stand-up
very popular still, if you were running against your husband right now, would you have won that race? >> i think you have to have that kind of confidence if you're in this arena right to be president. so, if i were to run against him, would i win? yeah. >> and that debate might break ratings records as well, hillary versus bill. let's talk about all the week's politics with our roundtable. donna brazile, alex castellano maggie haberman and rich lowry. let's begin with ben carson, you saw him come on this morning, again taking on the press on all these questions about his past, he says there's nothing there, he said it's going to help him, rich lowry, is he right? >> it's going to help him. media coverage is extremely important. negative coverage is gold for these candidates.
he should have been more precise in some of the things that he said in his book. to most republicans it's going to feel like a campaign of character assassination. >> from the media? >> absolutely. do you agree with that, alex? >> absolutely. ted cruz in the last debate the biased media was unfair, ben carson has just been given that opportunity. he can run against ben carson deniers who say he's not the man he is. and this helps him, because we know he's a man of service, a humble guy, soft spoken, now he has the opportunity to demonstrate strength. >> but look, george, everyone appreciates, and i think respects ben carson's life story, not one of us would take i think objection to his childhood and his so-called journey, but the central case of his campaign is not his ideas, not his politics, it's his bio, his character, so these
questions undermine some of the central points that he's been making about himself. therein lies the danger that he'll face in the primary campaign. >> do you think this will cause the media to push back and not go after these questions? >> i don't think so. on this issue of what happened in college at yale, whether he was photographed as the most honest student, he said we found it. i think there will be pressure on him to release that and put that out. negative media attention has been a huge boon to republican candidates. trump has shown us that you can say things that aren't true, but if you can say them with authority, it doesn't matter. >> usually when a politician is accused of exaggerating it's to glorify himself or herself. to say i was more courageous than i was. this is ben carson, more about his you temper, it's about glorifying god.
telling the story about how god transformed his life. you better believe every single evangelical voter in iowa understands that. >> marco rubio started to rise, coming out of that last debate, getting more questions, some krcriticism from donald trp over his credit card charges. he's put out now all of the charges going back to 2005 and 2006. as i look at that, i wonder if jeb is going to repeat the attack his campaign had the last time around? >> doesn't seem to be a lot there and right now, taking on marco rubio doesn't particularly help jeb bush, it's still a very crowded field, and jeb isn't necessarily next in line. >> he has to take out marco rubio, doesn't he? >> not until he becomes a place where votes can go. >> another candidate who's really poaching moderate voters that jeb needs. but he's not chosen his adversary as well. trump, he didn't win any of the
exchanges with trump. he was embarrassed when he went after rubio in the last debate, including the credit cards. and there appears to be nothing there. >> scott walker left the race and jeb bush had a lane to sort of drive ahead and he finds himself now in a collision with marco rubio but, i think jeb bush's problem is that jeb bush still cannot articulate why he's running for president. >> he talks a lot about himself. he keeps turning the camera on himself. i know i have to perform better. i have i have to do better. john mccain in '07 and '08 didn't talk about how he was going to be better, he just went out and performed better. and jeb bush so far, he hasn't. we need to see in the debate this week a much better performance. >> what would that be? >> forceful, winning some exchanges with people.
and he's talked about performance kind of slightly the last few weeks. performance is important these last few weeks. maybe calvin coolidge could have gotten away with it. but not in the modern media age. >> and as we come in on the next debate, and we close in, 90 days away from iowa, donald trump and ben carson getting over 50% of the votes, are republicans in the establishment, coming around to the idea they might get the nomination? >> 60% of republicans think trump is going to be nominee. carson wins iowa, probably the most likely scenario at this moment. we go to new we go to new hampshire, and then new hampshire gets to validate an alternative. right now, that would probably be donald trump. the races are decided, no nominee has been chose on the republican side in the modern media age since kennedy or nixon who didn't win one of these two states. because they vote in these states. but the campaigns are seen nationally.
no other story than what we see in those early states. that could be the race. >> nevada, south carolina, you get the big s.e.c. primary on march 1st. and if trump is ahead at that point, i don't know how you stop him. >> on the democratic side, maggie, we just saw bernie sanders right there, he seems somewhat ambivalent about how hard to take her on? >> that's right. it was tough-ish. he has advisers that want to go further and more narrowly at her. you see it as you say in his conversation, you see it in what he's talking about in this forum in south carolina the other night, he didn't look like he wanted to repeat some of attacks he made against her. last week in an interview, he suggested forgiving her for those e-mails was maybe not such a bad idea. it's a legitimate issue.
it's appropriate to talk about. he didn't talk about it on friday night. he said, you know, she would be light years better than any other republican. he doesn't want to damage her too badly. >> yeah, i think this is a key ambiguity. lot of it has to do with what the nature of the democratic electorate. they really don't want to hear about hillary clinton's vulnerabilities. now, this discord with the general public, where a lot of these matters have hurt her, but democrats don't want to hear it. >> democratic voters overwhelming say, they say this isn't a voting issue. >> he followed the line in new hampshire. and democrats want to hear about ideas. bernie has been really good talking about the political revolution, talking about campaign finance reform, and issues that energize democrats
he'll do very well. >> talking about what rich was talking about, democrats are looking to preserve the democratic brand, do you think that same dynamic is holding on the republican side? >> preserving the donald trump brand. i think we're slightly too chaotic for that at the moment. we're a party, we're a dumpster fire, there's nothing to preserve. bernie sanders is interesting, he's had go big problems. one, what tina fey to sarah palin, larry david is doing to bernie sanders. he's got no campaign now. hillary clinton has absorbed his campaign and the message, and she looks like she's going to win. so, he has very little to say that's different. he's trying to find differences that are platable and there aren't any. i think voted differently on the
war of 1812. >> hillary clinton trying to close the gap on any issue except guns. >> she's running a smart campaign. she's trying to get back to talking to to the middle. i think she's going to do very well. but look, this campaign isn't over with. we have two debates this week. democrats are real excited about the debate. we don't have to talk about the republican debate. but the truth is, the republican party is in chaos because they don't know exactly what they stand for anymore. >> we very clear to getting money and growing the economy. >> that's the last word today. thank you all very much. up next, bob woodruff reports from the south china sea on that breakthrough between taiwan and china and what it means for the u.s. that breakthrough between taiwan and china and what it means for the u.s.
there you see the first handshake between leaders of china and taiwan in 66 years, it lasted a full minute. opening talks to signal a new phase for those two countries. all of asia and the u.s., as bob woodruff explains from his visit to the south china sea with defense secretary ash carter. >> reporter: we met defense secretary ash carter on the "uss roosevelt." on patrol in the south china sea, the accept center of this new clash, america surveillance shows china on a building spree. one of the biggest back in 2012. here it is today. the new construction is making other countries nervous, this territory around the spratly
islands is claimed by many, including vietnam and the philippines. >> they built hundreds of meters in the past couple of months. >> reporter: u.s. military planes watching from the air and this week going further, president obama sending a guided missile destroyer within 12 nautical miles of one island. cruising right by the roosevelt during our interview. what are we trying to accomplish do you think shoo that are going to stop doing what -- >> well, what we're doing is what we have done for decades, that's a reflection of the american military presence in this region, and we're strengthening that with president obama. why is that? because if the american strength here has kept peace in the region which has no nato, no security structure, that's the reason we're out here. >> reporter: the u.s. is also here because more and more asian countries want to keep china in check. also former enemies like vietnam. secretary carter was there in
june. >> who would ever thought that vietnam would want us back here? >> i remember very well a time when we were at war with vietnam, now they very much want the american presence and that relationship and that was my purpose. >> reporter: regarding this new dispute, china's president saying this area has been china's territory since ancient times. more aggressive china under president xi? >> well, this is widely viewed in the region as an aggressive act. and the united states regards it -- by the way, china is the only country doing this. we challenge all of the president xi, when he came to the united states to visit president obama, pledged, said he had no intention of militarizing that region. and he needs to be good to his word. for our part, we'll continue to
sail, fly, operate wherever international law permits. >> reporter: for "this week," bob woodruff, abc news, on the uss roosevelt in the south china sea. >> thanks to bob for that. now, we honor our fellow americans who serve and sacrifice. in the month of october, nine service members were killed supporting operations in afghanistan and iraq. that's all for us today. thanks for sharing part of your sunday with us. check out "world news tonight" and i'll see you tomorrow on "good morning america." check out "world news tonight" and i'll see you tomorrow on "good morning america."