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week," paris attack. here now, chief stephanopoul stephanopoulos. good morning, we are following the it stunning video at the concert hall. first the stunning new video. it captures the moment gunfire rings out in the bataclan con sartre hall. this is the firefight right outside the hall. civilians running for cover as the police moved in. we are also learning more about how these attacks were carried out. six sites targeted across paris, french investigators say at least seven attackers worked in three teams and just this morning a car filled with kalashnikovs discovered in a paris suburb. we are learning more about the victims, 192 people killed including a college student from california, nohemi gonzalez. president obama weighed in from turkey this morning saying the skies have been darkened. it is an attack on the civilized world. this morning we'll hear more from president obama. senator marco rubio, a team of terror experts and begin in paris with "world news tonight" anchor david muir. good morning, david.
>> reporter: george, good morning, as you know, this investigation fast-moving. the fbi september a team here to help here op the ground. as you pointed out, that discovery this morning, just a short distance from here, about six miles inside, outside of paris, that black car, they believe it could have been a getaway car. they discover sd kalashnikovs inside. and down the road, the concert hall where attackers inflicted such horror. for the first time, the video, outside, as police took on the attackers. >> reporter: this morning dramatic video showing the moments french police faced off with the gunman who had just been inflicting horror inside that concert hall. "time" magazine obtaining video of this terrifying scene unfolding friday night. at first a paris street in stunned silence aware of the horror inside that theater then outside a barrage of bullets.
an exchange of gunfire sending police out of the line of fire then retaliating. civilians fleeing the bullets. now nearly 48 hours after those terror strikes and the city is still on high alert. landmarks closed. the iconic eiffel tower shut down. the deputy mayor here, telling us, they have never seen terror like this. >> this is not paris. this is not paris. this is -- i don't know, but this is not paris. >> there's new pictures of president hollande when that first explosion was heard at 9:20 realizing that the city of paris was under attack and at 9:40 terrorists entering that popular bataclan theatre. this instagram taken inside the concert where the american being eagles of death metal were playing. suddenly you can hear the gunshots cutting through the music. the terrorists holding at least 100 hostages. witnesses reporting the
attackers were yelling allahu akbar. they were also heard saying syria and iraq. we now know there were three teams of terrorists coordinating the attacks. authorities say seven attackers died, detonating identical suicide belts. while over the weekend in brussels authorities say a car leading them to make lee arrests in relation to the paris attacks and among the 129 dead, 23-year-old california state university student nohemi gonzalez, studying design and spending time abroad, a professor calling her a shining student. while here on the streets of paris this sunday, many here, cannot get those images out of their minds. even in a city that was tested last january with the charlie hebdo attacks, many saying they've never seen anything like what unfolded friday night. seven attackers all died, wearing suicide belts, is a signal they're testimony dealing with a new front on the war on many terror.
>> thanks, david of the we are joined by police chief fabio golfier responsible for 0,000 officers in the region. thanks for joining us, captain. we learned police found a car filled with kalashnikovs in the paris suburb of montrois. what more can you tell bus that, and are there any other new developments? >> we know from the investigation, that one of the terrorists came from france, is a french citizen, and found a syrian passport near the place of the attack. a civilian pass pofrt, but we don't know if it's from france, no. so, we don't know for sure if the passport found actually belongs to the attacker that is dead? >> we don't know. >> the police have said that seven of attackers are dead but
isis is claiming there were eight attackers. so did one of the attackers get away? >> we don't know really. it's a possibility, perhaps all the tourist -- all the tourists died in france. but, no. >> sir, what threat most concern us and fellow officials right now? >> the security is a problem for all the french people, not only -- we have to fight a terrorist attack, unprecedented in france. >> chief golfiey, thanks for your time this morning, and good luck. >> thank you very much. bye. >> now to president obama, i sat down with him to discuss the isis threat thursday afternoon just 24 hours before those first reports from paris. >> but if isis with affiliates in so many countries right now, even afghanistan, if they decided now to go to international terror, that's a game changer, isn't it? >> well, i have to tell you, george, you know, aqap in yemen, al qaeda in yemen, we know has had plots consistently over the
last several years to try to bring down an airliner. i think that one of the challenges of these international terrorist organizations is that they don't have to have a huge amount of personnel if there is a crack in the system then they potentially can exploit it and they are looking for these cracks to exploit. what makes isil the challenge that it is right now is primarily the fact that they're occupying territory in two countries that aren't governed effectively in those spaces. >> even your friendly critics, fareed zakaria says what you have on the ground now isn't going to be enough. every couple of months you'll be faced with the same choice, back down or double down. >> i think what is true is that this is always been a multiyear project. precisely because the government structures and the sunni areas
of iraq are weak and there are none in syria and don't have ground forces there and in sufficient numbers to simply march into iraq and syria and clean the whole place out. and as a consequence, we've always understood our goal has to be militarily constraining isil's capabilities, cutting off their supply line, cutting off their financing. >> isis is gaining strength, aren't they? >> don't think they're gaining strength. what is true is from the start our goal has been first to contain and we have contained them. they have not gained ground in iraq and in syria, they'll come in, they'll leave, but you don't see this systemic march by isil across the terrain. what we have not yet been able to do is to completely decapitate their command and control structures. we've made some progress in trying to reduce the flow of
foreign fighters and part of our goal has to be to recruit more effective sunni partners in iraq to really go on offense rather than simply engage in defense. >> that was president obama on thursday and we are joined now by his deputy national security adviser for strategic communication, ben rhodes. mr. rhodes, thank you for joining us this morning. what is the latest intelligence you have? does the president agree with president hollande this was an act of war by isis? >> yes, george, first of all, in all likelihood clearly all the signs point to this being the responsibility of isil. that's a determination the french authorities have made. certainly our information supports the strong likelihood that isil was involved in this. we absolutely agree that this was an act of war by isil, any time you have this type of indisdiscriminate national target of innocent civilians we see that as an act of war by a terrorist group.
that's why we've been waging war against isil for over a year with thousands of air strikes in support for partners that are fighting them on the ground. >> is there any intelligence suggesting a specific and credible threat to the homeland? i know yesterday there was none. has anything new developed there? >> no, george, the president had a meeting yesterday that you included the secretary of homeland security, the director of the fbi, our determination is there is not a specific credible threat to the homeland at this time, but we're going to be very vigilant because we know isil has aspirations to attack the united states, as well as our european and other allies and partners so we're constantly going to be pulling threads on that intelligence sharing information with our allies, and seeing if there are any aspirations that lead to plotting in the united states. >> so this was an act of war against america's oldest ally as the president pointed out the other day. how will the united states respond? >> well, first of all we're clearly going to work closely with the french in terms of intelligence sharing. also in terms of their military response inside of syria. the french have been with us in iraq and syria and conducting air strikes.
i think we want to continue to intensify that coordination. there's a french two-star general who's positioned in centcom to facilitate that coordination and we'll be working with the french to go after isil in response. we'll also be looking to intensify those things we've seen bear some fruit in recent weeks, the type of leadership strikes we've taken against the leader of isil in libya and jihadi john and in sinjar where our kurdish allies on the ground were able to retake a strategic town. >> but are those decapitation striking making any difference? >> george, it's going to take time. this is going to be a long-term effort. this is a deeply entrenched group. it's been in this part of the world for many years. it has its origins in al qaeda and iraq and morphed into isil. this threat is going to be with us for some time but we have built an infrastructure of air strikes, of the ability to train and equip forces on the ground, of intelligence that can lead to those types of leadership targets and so our expectation is as we continue to intensify those efforts, hope to draw on
more resources from our coalition partner, and roll back isil and ultimately achieve that objective of defeeth the organization. >> the president received some criticism for that interview we did on thursday in the words he used containment of isil, carly fiorina saying isil not contained they are on the march, chris christie said the president is living in a fantasy. the president sees the world as he wants to see it. your response? >> well, look, george, the president was responding very specifically to the geographic expansion of isil and iraq and syria. a year ago we saw them on the march in both iraq and syria taking more and more population centers. the fact is we have been able to stop that geographic advance and take back significant amounts of territory in both northern iraq and northern syria. at the same time that does not diminish the fact that there is a threat posed by isil not just in those countries but in their aspirations to project power overseas and that's why we're focused on the challenge of foreign fighters to come into and out of syria. many of those have returned to europe in particular.
that's why it's such a focus of these meetings here to talk about how we can seal that border with turkey to prevent that flow of foreign fighters and share intelligence to disrupt and prevent attacks in our european allies' countries and in the united states. >> now that we've seen probably three attacks by isil in just the last two weeks and the clear intent to go global won't the president need to dramatically step up this strategy? >> well, we'll have to be nimble, george. and that means looking at isil's efforts to expand. it should be noted that we took that strike against the leader of isil in libya precisely because we were concerned about their efforts to set up a stronghold in libya similar to what they've been able to do in iraq and syria so we are going to be vigilant and we're going to have a basic principle here that there cannot be a safe haven for a terrorist organization like isil that terrorizes the population around it and that seeks to project power and conduct attacks in the
capitals of close friends and allies like france. >> ben rhodes, thanks very much for your time this morning. let's analyze this now with our terror team, chief investigative correspondent brian ross, former counterterrorism czar to three presidents dick clarke and chief global affairs correspondent, martha raddatz. let's bring with the latest on the investigation, this car of kalashnikovs, arrests in belgium but heard that police chief say they're not sure they've got everyone. >> what they do know, george, this was not lone wolf operation this was a team, a cell, put together by isis commanders. they were well trained. they had identical u side vesui vests. had a superstructure to keep them going, allowed to operate without being detected and looking for more members. the arrest in belgium included one seen on surveillance video at the site friday night in paris made his way to brussels. he's now in custody. >> he could have been eighth. >> he may well have been eighth attackers and others as well. >> so, the search for acome accomplishes goes on this
morning? >> absolutely very urgent. >> dick clarke, three attacks in the last two weeks. before the president had talked about isil being concentrated on local targets in syria and iraq. they are going global. >> george, we've known for months that they have an external attack branch and we knew that it was planning an attack or a series of attacks outside of their region. in europe or the united states. it's clear when all the facts are in we're going to know that it's clear to me now these three attacks were all isis, they were all planned for months. they all have central command and control of syria. and that means they're going to be trying it here. whether or not they can get through, it's. harder target here. >> any sense of why it's happening now? some chatter in france about how it was a response to president hollande's decision to go in with more air strikes in syria. >> no, this is something they've been planning for month, i think, they finally got it ready and did it. >> martha, that goes to the question about what the united states does about it. we heard ben rhodes say we'll have to eliminate safe havens
what we've seen with isis they have spread, not only in libya, syria and iraq but also in afghanistan where you just were. >> i was in afghanistan and they have a training camp there. they put out graduation photos. the u.s. military is involved in going after them in afghanistan as well but the idea that we have knocked out safe haven, we haven't. look at mosul. that is the second largest city in iraq and isis still holds it and they have held it for a year and a half. look at fallujah. they have held fallujah 30 miles west of baghdad for almost two years. so these safe havens continue for isis. it's very complicated with air strikes because those are in populated areas, they don't want to kill civilians there. targeting is very, very difficult. >> so what can you do about this targeting problem? you need people on the ground, right? >> that would certainly help. that would certainly help target. you need intelligence on the ground. that is a real problem. the u.s. has stepped up air
strikes and have had and has had some successes of late. but if you don't have intelligence on the ground and think about syria. i know the administration loves to talk about iraq and progress there. but syria, the idea that we've trained and equipped these rebel fighters, they've trained and equipped about five rebel fighters. we don't really have partners on the ground who can help us in any significant way in syria. >> martha, we know the president met briefly will russian president vladimir putin. one of the big questions facing russia after the downing of that airliner, will they now start to go against isis not only the opponents of assad. >> reporter: i think they probably will. i think you'll see russia step up these air strikes. and i think you will see france step up air strikes although they've been involved and carried out air strikes they haven't done very. of them. jordan stepped up air strikes right after its pilot was killed earlier this year but then they tapered off. you really have to keep your eye on this because most of the allies taper off and will have
to see what france does. >> brian, one of the chilling things here, no evidence yet of any real chatter before the attacks. >> that's very troubling to u.s. law enforcement especially. they thought they could detect this kind of planning in advance. that didn't happen. there was no indication they knew this was coming. >> bottom line, richard clarke, has isis now eclipsed al qaeda as the number one terror threat in the world. >> by far, george. isis is much more capable. there are more of them. they have more money. they have more discipline, more trading. this is a much bigger threat than we ever faced with al qaeda. >> richard clarke, brian ross, martha raddatz, thanks very much. coming up more on the terror threat at home, pierre thomas has all the latest on new steps to keep us safe on this special edition of "this week." the pursuit of healthier. it begins from the second we're born. because, healthier doesn't happen all by itself. it needs to be earned every day. using wellness to keep away illness. and believing a single life can be made better by
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on the network of yesterday. that is the scene in times square this morning. that is the scene in times square this morning. ramped up police presence across new york city. other major cities across the country this morning. also special concern at football stadiums across the country this morning. i want to talk more about this homeland threat with pierre thomas in washington. what are the specific steps being taken right now, pierre? >> reporter: pretty much in all the football games today you will see stepped up security at major city as cross this country. shows of force by police at mass transit throughout the country. law enforcement wants to send a signal that they're ready for anything, george. >> i want to pick up on the conversation we just had with brian ross, one of the big concerns of homeland security officials here is the fact that they didn't see. chatter in paris and the idea that cells here might be going
dark. >> reporter: why did they not see this coming? that's the key question? i poke to a senior official last night, george. he said there's real concern about so-called going dark. that al qaeda and isis may have come up with a technology in which they can communicate off the grid where no one can see them communicating. >> no one can see them communicating. they may -- and they may not need to communicate all that. and we just heard richard clarke say that isis clearly going global now and that has to increase the fears here in the united states. >> reporter: look, this is a game changer. isis officials tell me over and over is one of the most brutal groups they've ever seen. they want high tempo. people have been chopping off head, burning people alive and beam out 90,000 messages a day to smartphones around the world trying to encourage people to do something. as the fbi director has said over and over they want to kill, kill, kill. >> we've seen more and more arrests in the united states of people trying to go over to syria or iraq. do we have a good sense right
now of the intelligence of how many americans have gone over, how many may have gone back. >> reporter: they believe the number is somewhere around 100 or more, george. law enforcement officials have done a pretty good job they believe of keeping track but the fbi director has always said he doesn't know what he doesn't know. there are ways to get into europe and eventually get to turkey and into syria that he said might not be detected a real concern and concerned about the lone wolf who might be contacted by social media to attack. >> okay, pierre thomas, thanks very much. let's get more on this with congressman adam shift and bill bratton. of the new york police department. thank you both for joining us and congressman schiff. let me begin with you. you were briefed several types since the attacks on friday. what more can you add on the intelligence on would is behind the attack and what the threat may be here at home? >> well, this was an isis attack likely directed and equipped out of syria. we have seen, george, that france for a number of reasons has been the primary focus of
external plotting for isis for the past year so multiple plots. they have wanted to attack in public places like we saw so tragically this week, and i think the reality is even the best intend against will not stop a determined enemy that adapts to our defenses and isis has adapted. the first -- yeah. >> you talked about this last week when we were first talking about the plane going down in russia. you did say that you believe isis has adapted and eclipsed al qaeda. clearly going global right now. what are the implications of that? >> well, i think the implications are this is not just an intelligence failure. it's a failure also of a calista campaign because we have allowed isis to have sanctuary in syria and iraq with too much time to plan and plot, too much resources to be directed against us and unless that changes strategically we can expect more attacks like this.
>> we are a harder target. a harder target to reach. but we know isis aspires to attack us here in the united states as well. >> one of the reasons stepped up efforts by police department. bill bratton, commissioner of the new york city police department, as well. take us inside. what happens inside your department when you get the word of those attacks in paris? >> multiple number of things will occur. first off in new york city, we are always on the offense in terms of our intelligence gathering capabilities, joint terrorism task force, almost a thousand people permanently assigned to counterterrorism but then we do have with 35,000 personnel the capability to ramp up very quickly as you saw over the last 48 hours. and we have expanded that dramatically since my appointment as commissioner. we now have a 500-person unit in our counterterrorism bureau that is specially equipped, long gun, heavy vest, vehicles that are prepared to go in and protect
locations, two, the ability to go into locations that are under attack. additionally we have another 800-person unit created similarly armed and equipped that also capable of that type of activity. at any given time i have 400 to 500 officers in the city equipped like that. no american city has that capability. >> 400, or 500 officers, you're right. no american city has that kind of capability but one of the things we see in paris, there's so many targets. >> soft targets. >> you can't protect everything. >> that's the issue. anybody that thinks they can is crazy. no, one of the things we attempt to do is to protect the larger venues, times square or in this case of this issue all of the french entities in the city but the soft target aspect is the one of concern because every major american city, every village, every town has soft targets. that's where the preactivity of the intelligence gathering is so essential and that right now is where this has been a game changer. isis taking advantage of the technology that the head of the fbi has been complaining about, i've been complaining about, going dark, the ability to go dark.
i think you're going to see that's going to play a significant factor in this event. very interested to see what type of phones they're equipped with, what type of apps they had. where they in fact were in communication with each other at all. you might have had three separate events going on they might not have known -- >> even though they were equipped in the same way. >> wait to see if they were equipped in the same way. certainly all had suicide belts so obviously were intending to come out of this not alive which is also problematic for us in the sense these are people who are going to blow themselves up no matter what. >> and finally, congressman s schiff, you used the word "failure" in a moment. if it was, what should be done and what should the united states and president be doing right now? >> we're certainly going to intensify our intelligence cooperation but we've been doing that already. i think that the chief failure here is we cannot allow isis to have this unmolested sanctuary in syria and iraq from which to plan and direct attacks against us, because some of those attacks will get through in the first year of its existence it focused on building its caliphate.
now in the second year it has focused on opening a second front and attacking the west. it has the aspiration to attack us here at home and being on defense through the use of these intelligence resources is simply not enough. we're going to have to further constrain its space and i think it will a be interesting, george, to see whether the president can get some commitment from turkey two employ turkish troops that protect the safe zone that turkey wants to create. >> he is there right now. congressman schiff, commissioner bratton, thanks so much. marco rubio on this special edition of "this week." that's when we come back. his special edition of "this week."
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>> a scene from last night's democratic debate, and we're joined now by the man invoked in that question senator marco rubio also running for president. a member of the senate intelligence committee. senator rubio, thank you for joining us this morning. >> thank you. >> you saw second clinton there did not want to use the words radical islam. your response. >> i think that's -- i don't understand it. that would be like saying we weren't at war with nazis because we were afraid to offend some germans who may have been members of the nazi party but weren't violent themselves. we are war with radical islam with an interpretation of islam by a significant number of people around the world who they believe now justifies them in killing those who don't agree with their ideology. this is a clash of civilizations and as i said at the debate earlier this week, there is no middle ground on this. either they win or we win, and we need to begin to take this seriously. these are individuals motivated by their faith. of course, all muslims are not members of violent jihadist groups, but there is a global jihadist movement in the world motivated by their interpretation of islam, in this case sunni islam, in the case of
isis and it needs to be confronted for what it is. this is not a geopolitical movement. this is a religiously oriented movement. >> we heard the president's assistant, ben rhodes, say this is an act of war by isil and the u.s. will have to be nimble in its response. what do you think the president should be doing right now? >> well, first i would ask our allies to invoke article 5. this was clearly an act of war, an attack on one of our allies and we should invoke article 5 of the agreement and bring everyone together to put together a coalition to confront this challenge. >> confront it how? would what would you do? senator lindsey graham says put 10,000 troops on the ground. >> it's hard to say the exact numbers. i think we need to say this, we need to begin to work more closely, for example, with the sunni tribes in iraq who do not want to work under the thumb of the central government in iraq. we've worked with them -- >> isn't that's what's happening now? >> no, it is not.
we continue much of this through baghdad and baghdad is more interested in pursuing or in protecting the shia group, many of whom are under the control of iran, they also are continuing to double down on their own domestic forces which, quite frankly, have proven unreliable. the best fighters on the ground have proven to be the kurds and to some extent the sunni tribes who are autonomous and we aren't directly supporting them so that needs to happen and we need to get the sunni allies in the region to join the fight. they need to be defeated ideologically and militarily by sunnis themselves. >> is all that going to work without more united states troops. >> there will have to be a significant american engagement and why we should work more closely with our allies to station american or support and conducting them off aircraft carriers. if we had more of these planes flying out of turkey we should request areas in iraq and conduct a lot more strikes if we had that in place. i also think -- >> let me stop you there. you're saying more air strikes but not willing to say -- >> you're not letting me finish. >> okay, go ahead.
>> look, i also believe we need to increase the number of special operators. key to the success of this is we are going to have to conduct an increased number of special operations attacks targeting isis leadership and revealing that they are not invincible, in essence, subjecting them to high-profile humiliating defeats where we strike them, capture or kill their leaders and videotape the operations, we publicize them because this is a group that heavily uses propaganda to attract fighters and donors from around the world and they're presenting themselves as this invincible force and we need to cut off that narrative. it isn't true and that's important. we will need much more than 50 special operators on the ground. long term, however, in the big picture the only way to defeat isis militarily is for sunnis themselves to be the bulkhead of the fight but it will require us to do more in the short stage and this is what we need to be doing to defeat isis over there. there's a host of other things we need to be doing to keep america safe here at home. >> one of your rivals senator ted cruz said over the weekend that we have to dramatically ramp up the air strikes even if it means more civilian casualties.
>> look, i don't think any nation on earth takes more pains in avoiding civilian casualties than the united states. the reality, unfortunately, is that many of these terrorist groups deliberately operate from the centers of civilian areas because they want there to be civilian casualties for propaganda use. we've seen that as well used by the enemies of israel on repeated occasions. obviously we're going to take great pains to avoid civilian casualties, but at the end of the day no one has killed for civilians and innocents than isis has and although we'll take extraordinary steps to avoid civilian casualties, there is, of course, no guarantee, especially given the fact that you're operating against these individuals who have no regard for human life. >> some evidence that one of those attackers in paris may have been a refugee from syria coming through greece. they're not completely sure of that yet, but it has put a lot of attention on the president's decision to increase the number of refugees from syria, and it's also creating some criticism for you from one of your rivals. rand paul says that a couple of
years ago on the immigration bill, you blocked an amendment that would have made it more difficult for refugees with a terrorist past to get in. i want to show you what he said. >> two, three years ago i nintroduced a bill or an amendment to the immigration bill that would have provided for more scrutiny for people coming into our country, refugees, immigrants, students, they would would have had background checks. mine was a national security amendment as well as an immigration amendment and marco blocked it. >> your response? >> well, look, rand is just using this sort of rhetoric to distract from his very weak record on national security issues. i mean, he's been one of the leading figures trying to gut the american intelligence programs. think about the metadata program. program for a moment. imagine if one of those strikes had occurred here in the united states, the first thing we would want to know is what are the cell phone records of these people? let's say that, god forbid, what happened in paris happened in washington. we would want to know -- we would want access to these people's phone records because it would give us
clues as to who they were working with. rand paul wants to get rid of that program. in fact he's advocated that he's one of the leading figures behind part of that program being -- >> did you, in fact, block an amendment that would have called for more background checks? >> no, listen, the background checks are required now. you can't pick up the phone and call syria and that's one of the reasons why i've said we won't be able to take more refugees. it's not that we don't want to. it's because we can't because there's no way to background check someone coming from syria. who do you call and do a background check on them? the bottom line is that this is not just a threat coming from abroad. what we need to open up to and realize is that we have a threat here at home. homegrown violent extremists, individuals that perhaps have not even traveled abroad who have been radicalized online. this has become a multifaceted threat. in the case of what's happening in europe, this is a swarm of refugees and as i've said repeatedly over the last few months, you can have a thousand people come in, and 999 of them are just poor people fleeing oppression and violence, but one of them is an isis fighter. if that's the case, you have a
problem, and there's no way to vet that out. there's no background check system in the world that allows us to find that out because who do you call in syria to background check them? >> how have these attacks changed the race for the white house? do you agree with the analysis that some have put forward that it's going to make it more difficult for outsider candidates with limited foreign policy experience like donald trump and ben carson to succeed? >> i don't think this is the time to do political analysis on all this. this is a major threat to our country and the world and have said it repeatedly throughout the race. the number one obligation of the federal government is to secure -- is to provide for our security and said it in the debate the other night again and i hope this is a reminder that the federal government is involved in all sorts of things, but the one thing it must do and only it can do is provide for our national security. i made the point the other night, that all this talk about economic growth and prosperity becomes very impossible to achieve if we're not safe, and this is a reminder of it just 48 hours ago in paris, france, we were reminded of what happens to a country when it feels insecure. >> senator rubio, thanks for
these landed before this attack and shifted the focus to national security. abc's cecilia vega was there and she reports this morning from iowa. >> reporter: a moment of silence in iowa, the terror attacks in paris taking center stage, the three candidates vying for the democratic nomination united on one thing, the threat of isis. >> together leading the world this country will rid our planet of this barbarous organization called isis. >> it cannot be contained. it must be defeated. >> we have a lot of work to do. >> reporter: but exactly how to defeat isis up for debate. >> this cannot be an american fight, although american leadership is essential. >> i would disagree with secretary clinton respectfully on this score. this actually is america's fight. >> reporter: vermont senator bernie sanders going after former secretary of state hillary clinton's 2002 senate vote to invade iraq. >> i would argue that the disastrous invasion of iraq,
something that i strongly opposed, has unraveled the region completely and led to the rise of al qaeda and to isis. >> reporter: but the sharpest exchange of the night, about wall street. >> why over her political career has wall street been a major -- the major campaign contributor to hillary clinton? they expect to get something. everybody knows that. >> he has basically used his answer to impugn my integrity. let's be frank here. >> no, i have not. >> oh, wait a minute, senator. you know, not only do i have hundreds of thousands of donors, most of them small, and i'm very proud that for the first time a majority of my donors are women, 60%. [ cheers and applause ] >> reporter: despite the cheers clinton is now taking heat for invoking 9/11 to defend her ties to wall street banks. >> i did spend a whole lot of time and effort helping them rebuild. that was good for new york.
it was good for the economy, and it was a way to rebuke the terrorists who had attacked our country. >> reporter: and this debate taking a different tone in both a somber tone and those attacks from sanders and o'malley, clinton's camp telling me they view this as a win for them, though, but still what happened in paris shifting the entire focus on the 2016 race now, george. america's fight against isis taking center stage. >> we're going to talk about that now with our roundtable. thank you, cecilia. bill kristol, editor of "the weekly standard. democratic strategist stephanie cutter, supporter of hillary clinton. robert reich, professor at the university of california berkeley, author of the new book, "saving capitalism" and ana navarro, supporter of jeb bush. those attacks right in the middle of the campaign. how does it change it? >> on the republican side it out puts the question of who primary voters want as commander in chief front and center in a way it hasn't been so far. i don't know which way that cuts. does it help a senator familiar
with foreign policy which marco rubio is and ted cruz is as well or someone who can say i'm a tough executive and at least on foreign policy related things as a prosecutor, chris christie i think has a chance to make his case on that. i think it hurts trump and carson honestly. i just think you want someone who has some government experience and some experience dealing with the military, dealing with the intelligence community as the next president. >> you're nodding your head. >> well, i think that it does have a pretty big impact on the republican side because it does remind people that electing a president is putting a commander in chief in charge. and so far the republican race has been about personality and entertainment and celebrity, and these tough issues haven't been a big part of the discussion. to the extent they have, it's about meeting putin in the green room. and i think now that discussion is going to change. >> ana, what do you think? do you agree with bill on the possibility this would hurt trump and carson and does it put jeb bush in a box having to deal with his brother's legacy one more time? >> actually i don't.
i think what it does, it highlights the fact that he's a governor who has experience dealing with crises and who's got leadership experience. look, what i hope this does is i hope it serves as a wake-up call both for candidates and voters in the republican party. let us focus on the important stuff. to the candidates i would say, folks, stop playing small ball. stop this pettiness calling each other names, talking about each other's faces, whether we're killing -- tell me what you're going to do to defeat this threat, and to the voters i would say, folks, we're not electing an entertainer in chief. we're electing a commander in chief, and it's not if, it's when we face this crisis the the big room making the decisions? >> i think ana is right, also, the public is going to pay more attention to the issue of temperament and i think this is where donald trump and perhaps a couple of the other republican candidates really suffer because you want somebody who is not just commander in chief material
but somebody who is actually even-tempered who won't go off the rails. the other thing, george, is that we are beginning to see once again in the republican party the old debate over isolationism versus global reach. you interviewed marco rubio. the question was, troops on the ground, i mean, they are very bellicose, many of these republican candidates -- >> he didn't want to say he would put troops on the ground there. >> well, that's the point. they don't want to talk about troops on the ground but talk about everything else. they want to bomb, they want to, you know, have a more aggressive policy, but they don't want to commit any troops on the ground. >> is that a trap? >> it's a not trap. they should say, of course, we need -- look, hillary clinton said in the democratic debate last night isis cannot be contained. it must be destroyed. i agree with that. i think most republicans agree with that. if isis is to be destroyed america is going to have to be in the lead. you can do a lot more from the air. you are going to need troops on the ground and i think republican voters, i don't agree at all, i mean, yes, they're a
little war weary and worried about another intervention in the middle east. at the end of the day the candidate who articulates a credible strategy will be stronger, not weaker on the republican side. and if i were advising republican campaign, call in general petraeus and keane and general kelly and say what is the real strategy. if it takes 50,000 troops cleaning out raqqah, the capital of the islamic state, do it. >> i just don't think that the american public is yet ready for more troops on the ground, bill. i mean, after what we have gone through over the last ten years, you know, everybody wants to protect the united states, of course, but when it comes to another major commitment of american troops, you're not going to get that kind of -- >> the real question about whether it would work, and i think if somebody came out and said, let's commit 50,000 troops, i think you would have a lot of commentary with generals and the national security community that that's not going to do it. and some of the recommendations that marco rubio laid out where the president is, it's largely this thing, we have to work with sunnis. we have to build a coalition. we have to increase our presence, yes, but america has to be part of the solution
helping to lead it but we can't be the only piece of that solution. >> i don't think any candidate should be naming a specific amount of people that should be on the ground right now but what they should be saying is we are going to listen to our generals. we're not going to get our military advice from the sunday shows. given all the respect that we may get. but, you know, i just think also on the democrats side i think it was flabbergasting for a lot of republicans to see the three leading democrat candidates debate for two hours and not be able to utter the phrase radical islamic terrorism. call a spade a spade. >> you saw marco rubio respond to that. also stephanie cutter, that moment hillary clinton invokes 9/11 to bolster the -- i mean as rationale for supporting wall street. >> yeah, yeah. i don't think that was the finest moment of the debate, and think she's going to have to answer to that. you know, getting into a position of defending wall street is a problem for her and what she simply should have
said is, yes sh, wall street has given me money. could you point to anything that i have done because of that money? i have the strongest wall street regulation plan. i have, you know, i was the first out there to control bonuses. i was in support of what we did in 2008. you know, it's not a quid pro quo. that's what she should have said. >> but the democrats, are they so crazy -- i mean, bernie sanders says the operator -- says the operator -- what did he say? the operating business plan of wall street is fraud and greed. couldn't secretary clinton say, you know what, there are lots of decent people that work there. tens of hundreds of thousands of them. mr. sanders -- you could -- don't have to defend the big banks -- >> you get the last word. >> i just think that you all underestimate the extent of americans still, the anger toward wall street beginning with the bailout and the sense that nobody has been responsible. nobody has been indicted. nobody has gone to jail. i've been on a book tour and i've talked to red state america and they are apoplectic about what wall street has done. >> that's the last word. we're out of time. we'll be back after this.
♪ ♪ it took the rockettes years to master the kick line. but only a few moves to master paying bills on chase.com technology designed for you. so you can easily master the way you bank. we are back now to paris. the city has now been hit twice by terror in ten months. a reflection on what it means for the city of lights from our chief foreign correspondent n. >> the eiffel tower symbolizes all that is paris. >> reporter: when you think of paris it's the eiffel tower, the grand cathedral of notre dame, the champ elysees the most famous street in the world, but that's not where
the terrorists struck. they struck here. this is neighborhood, a crossroads of paris. diverse in so many ways and so young. the terrorists went after the young. the multiracial, multicultural young of this city in their paris on their friday night out. the crowded local restaurants before so open, so familiar, now shattered, silent. and the old concert hall transformed into a slaughterhouse. and the stadium where soccer breaks down the ordinary barriers of life in france and brings the crowd together. the attackers knew exactly what they were doing. this man lives down the street from where two restaurants were hit. he hid behind a car. >> the guy just want to kill. >> reporter: mehdi understands what this is all about. you are here. >> here, it's an area where we have a mix of people and
whatever the religion, whatever the color of skin. we are friend. we are brother and sister. we are humanity. >> reporter: that is the future that the young of this city of so many cities around the world are building and now dying for. for "this week," terry moran, abc news, paris. >> that is all for us today. thanks for sharing part of your sunday with us. we leave you back in paris. those images of the growing memorial outside the restaurant where 15 victims died including american college student nohemi gonzalez.
ask. >> in the news, an arrest in belgium following the terror attacks in paris. we will have the latest. also new details about the tour bus driver involved in a destructive crash in front's union square. >> weather-wise it's wet and windy today. most the wet weather has pushed through but i will let you know about rain totals and about the wind