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starting right now on "this week" with george stephanopoulos -- >> this was an intentional act. >> breaking overnight, an explosion in new york city. dozens injured. >> we saw this smoke. >> a suspicious second device found just blocks away. was this an act of terror? the very latest on the investigation. and -- >> president barack obama was born in the united states, period. >> after years of pushing the birther falsehood, donald trump now claiming credit for ending it. >> i finished it. i finished it. you know what i mean. >> his campaign was founded on this outrageous lie. >> we put the birther question to trump's running mate. exclusively on "this week."
>> why did it take him so long to say the president was born in the united states which is a fact. and -- >> hillary clinton's health scare. >> it's great to be back. >> clinton on the mend. but, facing renewed questions about her campaign transparency. her running mate tim kaine here live. >> announcer: from abc news, it's "this week." here now, co-anchor martha raddatz. good morning. in the middle of a heated political campaign, a shocking reminder that we live in dangerous times. anxiety and uncertainty in new york after that explosion overnight. and the urgent question, was it an act of terror? let's get straight to abc news chief investigative correspondent brian ross who is just feet away from where the explosion occurred. good morning, brian. >> reporter: good morning, martha.
there's an urgent search under way here this morning for a bomber on the loose. the person responsible for the frightening events here just down the street last night. all this as president obama and dozens of world leaders arrive in new york for the opening session of the united nations general assembly. the bomb came on a final summer saturday night as new yorkers walked to restaurants, movies, in this popular west side neighborhood. and then, the surveillance video inside a fitness center shows the blast just after 8:30. >> boom! so we were like, oh, my god! >> reporter: a white flash as glass shatters. >> 6-1-5, there's an explosion. there's units saying there was an explosion from a garbage pail. have units stay off the block. >> the ground shook and like windows shook. and this big flash of light. >> it was really scary. then i couldn't hear for 16 minutes out of my left ear. >> we want to be very clear, the intentional indication that this was an intentional act.
>> reporter: the bomb appears to be in toolbox left next to this construction trash container. despite the power of the blast no one was killed. >> there were 29 injuries here, one considered serious. 24 of these people have been transported to area hospitals with various degrees of scrapes, abrasions from glass, from metal. >> reporter: then, two hours later, and just four blocks away, police discovered a second device. in what appears to be a pressure cooker found inside a plastic bag with wiring and a cell phone attached. the new york city police department bomb squad removed the device as bomb-sniffing dogs searched the area for even more suspicious packages and police at the nypd counterterror center scanned surveillance videos from dozens of cameras looking for clues as to who was the bomber. police and federal agents are
also working to see if there are any connections or similarities between the bomb here and a bomb that was set off yesterday morning in new jersey at the beginning of a charity race about 60 miles away. the mayor of new york says there's no evidence of terrorism. but others say that remains an open question. >> thank you, brian. both candidates for president reacted quickly to the breaking news. from new york, hillary clinton cautious as ever. while donald trump, used the news to sound the alarm. >> just before i got off the plane, a bomb went off in new york. and nobody knows exactly what's going on. but, boy, we are living in a time, we better get very tough, folks. we better get very, very tough. >> i'll have more to say about it when we know some facts. i think it's always wiser to wait until you have information before making conclusions.
let's bring in abc news justice correspondent pierre thomas and abc news consultant and former fbi agent brad garrett. good morning, gentlemen. and brad, i want to start with you. the definition of terror, you heard bill de blasio say this was an intentional act, found no evidence that the blast was linked to terrorism. are we getting too caught up in these definitions? >> absolutely, martha. anybody who places a device that's going to kill people or harm them, that's some act of terrorism. it may not be extremist, isis. but we have to be clear this person wanted to harm folks. >> and that pressure cooker that they're looking at right now, brad, there was a lot of panic about that last night.
>> absolutely, i'm not sure they still exactly know what they have. they evacuated the neighborhood. think about the boston marathon bombing. >> you said you were listening in realtime to what was going on. >> yes, literally nypd are running around, evacuating the neighborhood because they're thinking, second bomb, first one went off, why won't this one? you got to get people out of the area. big panic for a brief amount of time. >> this tie-in they're looking at the pressure cooker, but you have new jersey, don't know if there's a tie-in there, you have these two explosive devices. and i want to go back to central park last july, there was an explosion, a hobbyist, it blew off a young man's leg. will they look at that again? >> everything's on the table again. there's great sense of urgency. they need to know who did this and they need to know now. the key this morning my sources are telling me are forensics. when you have a bomb or explosive detonate it doesn't get completely obliterated.
they're able to get parts of it. they'll try to put the parts back together. they'll look for fingerprints. same thing with the pressure cooker. they still don't know if that's an actual bomb yet. but they're checking this morning. >> and brad, walking up to that dumpster, they got that on surveillance as brian said, a pretty big box that was put next to that dumpster, would that make them blend in a little more. >> well, apparently, it's a toolbox, it's a construction dumpster. it gives you, martha, a lot of cover to get away. it is an odd location. what is he attempting to blow up there? same thing with the pressure cooker. almost like they're dropped and what's going to happen next? what is his real motive? >> but it just shows how easy this is to do. these were not complicated devices as far as we know, right, pierre.
>> they were not as far as we know. again, the lone wolf scenario is what law enforcement has been concerned with for some time. but they have someone who's out there willing to kill. >> okay, thanks very much to both of you. we'll keep our eye on this in the coming weeks. turning now to the big political story of the week, the birther battle. long before the wall, the muslim ban and the tough talk on trade, trump made his political name by stubbornly pushing that false rumor that president obama was born overseas. >> he wasn't born in this country, which is real possibility, then he's pulled one of the great cons in the history of politics. i want him to show his birth certificate. >> chi? >> there's something on that birth certificate that he doesn't like. if he gives his passport applications and records, i will give to a charity of his choice $5 million. >> that birther rumor highly
offensive to so many americans because it attempted to undermine the legitimacy of the first african-american president. friday, trump finally admitted the truth that mr. obama is american born. >> hillary clinton and her campaign of 2008 started the birther controversy. i finished it. president barack obama was born in the united states, period. >> hillary clinton who did not start the birther movement, not letting trump off the hook. >> he is feeding into the worst impulses, the bigotry and bias that lurks in our country. >> and last night, the president who has mocked trump's birther fixation many times got in one last dig. >> i don't know about you guys,
but i am so relieved that the whole birther thing is over. isil, north korea, poverty, climate change -- none of those things weighed on my mind like the validity of my birth certificate. >> as for trump, he stayed away from the media since his declaration. sticking instead to big, energetic rallies. so, when we traveled to indianapolis saturday to interview vice presidential candidate mike pence, it was the first opportunity to put all the unanswered birther questions directly to the republican ticket. on friday, for the very first time, mr. trump said that barack obama was born in the u.s. why did it take him so long? >> well, let me say that the momentum in this campaign is really overwhelming and i think it's because donald trump has been focusing on issues that the american people really cared about. he brought that issue to an end
this week. but i have to be honest with you, other than many in the national media and in he hillary clinton campaign, as i campaign across this country with donald trump and for donald trump, the american people aren't focused on the debates of the past, they're focused on their future, and he's offering real solutions and the kind of strong leadership that the american people know will make america great again. >> governor pence, i know you say you want to talk about issues, but mr. trump could have put this issue to bed a long time ago. just last wednesday he was asked by "the washington post," do you believe the president was born in the united states? he said he wouldn't answer it then. then he had a major announcement he talked about on friday, he kept this issue going. why did it take him so long to say that the president was born in the united states, which is a fact? >> martha, it's a fact.
donald trump and i both acknowledge that without hesitation. but i have to tell you, i understand why many in the national media and hillary clinton -- >> but governor pence, it's not just the national media. let me read you -- we counted since april of 2011 and that's the year that barack obama gave his long-formed birth certificate from hawaii. we counted 67 times where donald trump tweeted or retweeted messages questioning his birthplace. he has kept this going. he has been a leader in this birther movement. >> well, i know there's news reports that trace this birther movement back to hillary clinton's campaign back in 2008. >> you believe that hillary clinton started the birther movement. >> look, i'll let the facts speak for themselves. >> what's the proof of that? >> martha, look, as i travel across this country, i say this
very sincerely and very respectfully to you, this isn't what the american people are talking about. donald trump put this to an end. >> why did it take him so long to put it an end? it's not over. >> he's been talking about the need to have a stronger america at home and abroad. look, i understand why hillary clinton and many of her defenders in the national media want to distract attention from her dishonesty and her disastrous record on the foreign stage and the fact that she wants to simply continue the failed policies of this administration that have run our economy literally into a ditch. but that's not working. i promise you, the american people see through all of this. and i think that's why donald trump is going to be the next president of the united states. >> yesterday, they talked about the birther issue, they believe fueled in part by what donald
trump has said that president obama was born outside the u.s. this fuels those conspiracy theories. do you think he should have promoted this birther issue for all these years? was he wrong to do this? >> our campaign just really isn't focused on the past, martha, and it really -- >> governor pence, you said yourself hillary clinton is at fault. that's going forward, that's not just the past. he said friday that hillary clinton and her campaign were at fault for this birther movement as well. and you just said it yourself, what is the proof because we can't find any. and fact-checkers have checked into that. that hillary clinton started the birther movement. >> i would refer you to news reports and reports of people in your industry, martha. >> reports within my industry, they say there's no proof they
can find that hillary clinton had anything to do with it. >> i understand your perspective on it. i understand the desire of many in the national media to change the subject from hillary clinton's disastrous record and her dishonesty, but we're just not going to play that game. we'll continue to focus right where the american people are focused and that's not on the debates of the past. it's on their future. you know, yesterday n the midst of this side-bar debate that so many in the national media are fascinated about the largest law enforcement union, fraternal order of police endorsed donald trump for the president of the united states. they endorsed bill clinton back in 1996. they know donald trump is the kind of president that's going to stand with the men and women in law enforcement in this country and restore law and order. >> i'm going to ask you a few more questions on this because also, in the midst of this, you want to talk about issues and you want to talk about isis and
you want to talk about law enforcement donald trump tweeted a article -- donald trump's birther event is the greatest trick he's ever pulled. he is proud of this. is playing tricks seven weeks out of a very serious election what he should be doing? >> i thought the fact that donald trump on friday used the media's preoccupation with certain side-bar issues to really focus on the support that we enjoy from retired admirals and generals, now, i think some sao retired flag officers in our military winners recognize that donald trump is the right choice for the next commander-in-chief of the united states. and i have to tell you, i think he paid as much attention to this as the american people are, we have more horrific stories about isis coming out this last
week, a level of barbarism and terrorism that we haven't seen the advent of the global war on terror. america knows we need a commander-in-chief that will rebuild our military. >> i want to talk about that, robert gates who has worked for eight presidents over a 50-year career, including as secretary of defense, cia director, he was very critical of both candidates. but of mr. trump he said, at least on national security i believe mr. trump is beyond repair. he is stubbornly uninformed about the world and how to lead our country and government, and temperamentally unsuited to lead our men and women in uniform. >> look, i have a lot of respect for secretary gates, worked with him during my years on the foreign affairs committee. but he's just wrong. that's the reason why we have so many members of our armed forces that come out to rallies in support of donald trump. that's why we have so many
retired admirals and generals standing with him. he's a broad-shoulder leader. he's strong. he understands the need to rebuild this military. he also is willing to speak truth to power. the simple truth is, during his tenure as secretary of defense, secretary gates was part of the obama administration's handling of the withdrawal from iraq. and the way that we got without renegotiating, without leaving any combat forces in iraq created a vacuum in which the isis caliphate was able to rise up and compromise large areas of iraq to this very day that were hard-fought and won by the sacrifices of american soldiers. so, i understand that secretary gates may not want to hear that but the american people know it's true. >> on friday night, mr. trump said something else that's gotten a lot of attention. he said the secret service protecting hillary clinton
should disarm and then he said, let's see what happens to her. what did he mean by that? >> well, i think, you know, donald trump believes in the safety and security of every american and any suggestion otherwise regarding secretary clinton is just nonsense. i mean the point that he was making, hillary clinton has had private security for the last 30 years she would deny the right of law-abiding citizens to have a firearm in their homes to protect their own families. i think what donald trump was saying, if hillary clinton didn't have all that security she would probably be a lot more supportive of that second amendment. >> but "let's see what happens to her." the message sounds like a threat or encouraging violence. >> that's absolute nonsense. his comment was that if she didn't have that security she would change her attitude about the right to bear arms. the truth of the matter is, it's
really remarkable to me. i just joined this campaign a couple of months ago. to be honest with you, martha, i got a lot of respect for you, people in the media are talking about what trump said over the last week than the 30 years of the clintons. the fact that her campaign couldn't even be honest about her own health situation, i mean we wish her well, we're glad to see her back on the campaign trail, but there's just been decades of dishonesty flowing out. >> we are questioning hillary clinton's campaign as well. and we'll do so in this show. i want to talk to you about some of the name-calling. you said in a 2000 campaign you didn't think there was any place for personal attacks. are you comfortable with things like the campaign selling buttons and other things that
say, liar, hillary for prison? >> you know, i have my own style and donald trump has his own style. and i could tell you it's resonating. both of our styles -- >> are you comfortable with that? >> i really am. >> with that name-calling? >> things are different here in indiana, people talk different sometimes about things. the point that donald trump has been making throughout this campaign is connecting straight with hearts and minds of the american people. we can america great again. i really do believe that we're going to have a great day come november 8th. >> thanks very much, governor pence. we enjoyed talking with you. >> thank you, martha. >> thanks. coming up, much more of my interview with governor pence, including his surprising answer about which vice president he would model himself after. first, a response from his democratic rival, vice presidential nominee tim kaine is standing by live.
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donald trump finally admits the truth about president obama's birthplace. hillary clinton stumbles while battling pneumonia, two stories dominated the week. both even labeled game-changers. but to a weary public did either really matter? i took to the road again, talking to voters and trying to take the pulse of the country. this time, the must-win state of ohio. but what i found there surprised me. after years of covering politics, i never met so many voters so disgusted by our politics and so unsatisfied by their choices. warming up for the friday night lights at national trail high school in rural new paris, ohio. this is john and jan bars. you always voted republican? >> yes. >> what is it that you don't like about trump?
>> his arrogance and his condescending attitude toward people. >> and how about hillary clinton? >> i don't trust. ig i haven't decided if i'm going to vote. >> reporter: in columbus a democratic stronghold, i met nathan humes, also undecided is there something that you can say that you like about hillary clinton? >> you know, again, i -- >> reporter: when we think about undecided voters, we tend to think about true independents who go back and forth of each election. the undecideds we talked to on friday were party faithful who may not vote at all. this mayor of the democratic-leaning city of dayton. >> the exasperation level is so
high we're afraid that people won't go to the polls. >> reporter: is there a chance you won't vote? >> yeah. yeah. strong possibility. lot of people i talk to feel the same way, may not vote. >> reporter: mark teaches social studies. he's voting and yet -- >> i don't trust either one of them. it's a sad state of politics in the united states when you don't know who to choose and trump just keeps talking about where obama was born -- what makes the difference. it's over. the man's not going to be president anymore. >> reporter: fumble. again and again. 50 days to go. anyone's guess who will pick up the ball. so, let's get straight to the democratic vice presidential candidate, senator tim kaine of virginia. welcome and good morning, senator kaine. >> glad to be with you, martha.
>> you heard those voters and polls show part of why the race has tightened is the enthusiasm gap. you've seen enthusiasm at your rallies and events but these polls show democrats are less enthusiastic, less likely to turn out than republicans. i saw the same thing on my trip to ohio, why do you think people aren't more enthusiastic about hillary clinton? >> well, martha, look, this is like every race i've ever been in. i run my races in virginia up to now and it's a very close state. i always knew this was going to be tight. you're right, we have work to do, we got to lay out the competing visions of the two candidates. in fact, i've been showing these on the road. these are the two visions that are up for our voters to grapple with. hillary clinton and i, our vision is stronger together. we put out a book with our campaign platform. donald trump wrote a book when he decided to run for president laying out his vision and his book is called "crippled america." as i see people around the country, they want solutions to problems and they know we have
challenges. but americans are fundamentally an upbeat, can-do, optimistic, problem-solving people. i think that's why at the end of the day, they'll embrace a stronger together vision rather than a crippled american vision. >> senator kaine, i know you and secretary clinton this was always going to be tight race, in the last two weeks, donald trump has gained ground including in swing states, so what has changed? >> well, look, the race is about where it was when we went into the two conventions. it was essentially a dead heat. after the second convention we got a lift. but it's tightened up because, martha, as you know, i think even from your discussions with voters, we're a divided nation. we're politically very divided and that is reflected again and again in so many of our elections. maybe again, since i come from virginia which is one of those
battleground states where it's been close recently, this is where we are as a country. that puts the burden on our shoulders to make the best positive case we can over the next 50-plus days. >> when you hear voters like that and really discussed and the lack of enthusiasm, you heard the mayor of dayton said, she's democrat, they're worried they're not going to get the voters out. how do you turn this around with those voters who haven't decided? they know hillary clinton. >> great question. great question. we put some basic issues on the table. do you believe in climate science or don't you? voters do. and so do hillary and i. trump does not. do you believe women should make their own health care decisions? hillary and i do. donald trump does not. do you believe in immigration reform or not? we do. trump doesn't. and finally, do you believe that we need to do something about the cost of college or don't you? we do and donald trump's trump
university suggests he doesn't. we've got to make the case on these key differences. >> haven't you been doing that all along? >> we have been, but, martha, you know, too, lot of campaigns get very, very engaged and resolved between labor day and election day. that just puts on the weight on our shoulders. also pointing out some of the very disturbing aspects, for example, this issue about the birther controversy, which is so painful, this isn't just a smanty call thing. this is so painful to americans, they remember our history. an african-american wasn't allowed to be a citizen until we fought a civil war.
so, when donald trump for five years as you pointed out as perpetuated this bigoted lie that president obama is not a citizen it reminds people of the most painful part of the history of this country. i hope someone will ask donald trump when you doing that did you believe it? if you believed it how could you have been so gullible or con spir toirl? or if you didn't believe it, what were you doing dragging us back to the most painful chapter of america life? that question still needs to be answered. >> and senator kaine, i want to go to some things that hillary clinton has said. you explained clinton's basket of deplorable comments. you said trump supporters are born of anxiety over changing demographics. senator clinton said those people are irredeemable, does she believe there are people in this country who are irredeemable? >> well, look, she's very worried as i am about the
deplorable motivations of those who would question president obama's citizenship or people like david duke who are doing robocalls saying people should vote for donald trump. we've expressed it differently. but you have to call out these dark emotions, because if you left them pass or you let them grow. the obligation we have and hillary clinton, the secretary said this, too, some of the motivation of trump supporters i do have confidence over time that that kind of motivation is reducing. there are other trump voters who are really concerned about economic anxieties and we have an obligation to speak to them and to make the case that our economic plan, which moody says will grow the economy 10.5 million jobs is better for them than a trump plan.
that will shrink the economy -- >> so, is it appropriate to use the word irredeemable? >> you know, that's not a word i would use. i wouldn't use it. i think, i think we would be unrealistic to think that some people are going to fundamentally change their view. if they've clung to the view for five years, like donald trump, that president obama isn't a citizen of this country i don't think they're going to change their views. but martha here's what i have seen in virginia -- the state i was -- when i was born, my state wouldn't let you go to school together if your skin color was different. guess what, our economy was in the bottom 15. today, we have opened the doors of opportunity and our economy is in the top ten and people who fought it every step of the way have realized, wait a minute, we're better when we let everybody around the table, we're actually a stronger state. i have seen that transition work in my state since fighting against equality and inclusion,
to embracing it and being stronger as a result. that's what stronger together means. >> okay, senator kaine, i want one last question. colin powell had some harsh words for trump in his leaked e-mails. but he was also sharply critical of secretary clinton saying everything hrc touches she kind of screws up with hubris. in another message calling her greedy and not transformational. what's your response? >> you know, 8 million children in this country, martha, have health insurance, low-income kids, 156,000 in mike pence's indiana, 180,000 in my virginia, because hillary clinton fought to build the c.h.i.p. program. after the republicans branded the first effort to do health care as hillary care and killed it. she said, i'm not going away. at least we can provide health care for poor children in this
country. 8 million kids have it. i view that as transformational and focused on serving others over self and that's been hillary's passion her whole life. families and children. donald trump's passion has been simple -- what can i do for me? that's not who hillary clinton is. >> okay, thanks so much for joining us this morning, senator tim kaine. we'll see you again. >> thanks martha. >> you bet. up next, we'll bring in the powerhouse roundtable to weigh in such a pivotal week in the race to the white house. >> announcer: this week by george stephanopoulos brought to yo by voya financial. brought to yo by voya financial. i'm val, the orange money retirement squirrel from voya. val from voya? yeah, val from voya. quick question, what are voya retirement squirrels doing in my house? we're putting away acorns. you know, to show the importance of saving for the future. so you're sort of like a spokes person?
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>> but isn't it going to be harder for people to take you seriously on those issues that you went overboard on this whole birther -- >> i think it made me more popular. i do think i know what i'm doing. >> that was donald trump back in 2013 on his first trip to iowa as a presidential candidate. admitting to our jon karl that politics may have had something to do with all that birther talk. to discuss that and more let's bring in our powerhouse roundtable today, "the new york times'" reporter yamiche alcindor, dan balz, rich lowry and abc news' cokie roberts. welcome to every. good morning. lots to talk about. dan, i want to start with you, on this birther issue, you heard governor mike pence say, it's over, period and done. is it over? does that resonate? >> i think it continues to resonate. the statement that he made on friday, 31 words, could not have
been more terse or brief, and didn't answer any of the basic questions of why he had done what he did. if he ended it as he claimed he did on friday. so, i think those questions will continue to reverberate. >> it's interesting, though, he made a totally valid point there to jonathan karl. i know what i'm doing. he certainly did. he's the nominee. and what a lot of white americans don't understand is how this birther issue is basically fundamentally racist. and it's very well understood in the african-american community and the upset on friday among african-americans here at abc and friends was just enormous, because this was a sense that he's at it again. he's stirring this up. it's a lie we call it a lie. >> but let's go, yamiche, you have been out on the campaign trail, at trump rallies,
listening to the supporters. i've been out on the campaign trail, too. what about those trump supporters who actually believed that. i found people who believed that. no matter what he says. will he lose support from his base? >> i don't think he'll lose those people, mainly because donald trump can say things and get away with them. some of these supporters he's saying this because people want him to say this and he said it so quickly, he said it in 33 seconds or something like that, he's not sincere about this. voters who are very upset by this by what donald trump said on friday, they also feel that he was insincere. also, being able to hold on to the idea that most people think that he's being forced to say this. this is really kellyanne conway and other people in his campaign
making him do this. >> richard, a little heat on the media, that was such a circus on friday the media flocked there, and he said he would have a big announcement. the headline in the post was greatest trick that donald trump ever performed. how does that resonate with the voters? how does the media -- what lessons have we learned from this and what happens next? >> well, the trump campaign, they're trying to offload as much baggage before november as possible. it's through an accident that it ended up being this event on friday. their attitude, we have these vets here, they'll say these wonderful things about donald trump. if he makes the birther statement at the beginning, everybody will cut out and you won't see the veterans. let's use this for all its worth. make the statement at the end and everyone's going to broadcast these veterans for 30 minutes. that's how it played out. what they're hoping as we saw in your interview with mike pence,
there's no good answer why donald trump was obsessed with this issue for so long. they're hoping now they can revert to his magic words on friday, say, look, he no longer believes it. let's move on. >> but this media question is very real. you saw in your interview with vice presidential candidate pence, he kept going back to the media when in fact the blame is on the other side. the media has been very complicit in donald trump's ascendency. >> okay, i want to switch -- i'll agree with you on some of that, cokie. but i want to talk about the tightening race and enthusiasm. which we also have all seen these past couple of weeks, dan, and what you're seeing and that enthusiasm gap. i have to say -- all through this, i have seen voters say, i don't know which to choose, i'm voting against her, i'm voting against him. now, it's almost like, i don't like either one of them, i'm not going to go to the polls, is
that a danger? >> more of a danger for her than his. because it's clear his voters are more enthusiastic than hers. he made an explicit appeal how tight this race is. you have to get out. we have a lot of work to do. it's a little unusual for candidates to say it at this point. it's a reflection of the fact they're not doing as well as they need to do particularly with millennials. there's been a consistent effort now to make the argument to the millennials that they have to get out and vote. every poll we have watched have said this is a choice that people don't really like. they don't want to make it. it's going to be a grinding effort particularly on the hillary clinton campaign to get their people out. >> the last couple of weeks, it's more and more plausible that we could experience the biggest black swan event in the electoral history.
no one thought he would be elected president including the candidate himself and now this race is basically a tie. we talked a lot, is trump pivoting? can he pivot? will he pivot? hillary clinton now needs to pivot herself. she needs to do some things that are original, unexpected. >> holding up the two books. will that do it? >> but when she's feeling better, why not a press conference? every question you have about my health, i'm going to answer every question. i'll release every record going back to sixth grade. instead she seems to grind it out very conventionally. that still might work but a much riskier strategy. >> yamiche, the polls that we look at, is there a possibility we're really misreading people? you hear about the secret trump voters. i had several people who wouldn't tell me who they're
voting for, because it's private. is there a possibility we're really misreading because this race is so unusual. >> definitely a possibility that we're misreading people. it goes to the idea that a lot of people that i talked to, especially when it comes to donald trump supporters, some say, i want to talk to you, i don't want people to know who i'm voting for. trump could have more supporters than the polls are catching. the other thing that's going on here, we talked about this enthusiasm gap, hillary clinton, while people are really in some ways look at her, her experiences can talk about policies, we're in a race, donald trump beat all these people who had much more experience than him and knew how to govern much more than him and now he's going off personality and going off emotion and feeling. lot of people that i talked to, their choice whether or not they're going to vote or whether or not they trust hillary clinton, it doesn't have to do with her policies, it's really
about, can i trust her? what she's doing to really make me like -- >> and the trust obviously with the pneumonia question. >> very much so. we didn't know about it. which made it worse. this is not anecdotal. this is survey driven. in our last poll, 95% of trump voters said they were going to vote and 80% of clinton voters said they're going to vote. so, you know, it's a very measurable difference. all things being equaled, which of course they're not this year, this is a change election. we don't generally vote for a third term of a party and so, you know, the republicans go into this election with an advantage in terms of where the country is. the democrats go in with an advantage on demographics but they're having trouble galvanizing the groups. ened and the demographics -- >> one reason everyone complains about donald trump has a lower bar.
if he can get over the bar of acceptability his chance of becoming the next president of the united states increases enormously. >> should democrats be very nervous? >> they should be nervous, absolutely. but i still at this point they believe they have at least some advantage in the electoral college if they can hold pennsylvania and possibly pick up north carolina. >> okay, thanks to all of you. much more to talk about in the weeks to come. up next, more of my conversation with governor mike pence about his portfolio as vice president and how he's preparing for the debate. vice president and how he's preparing for the debate.
now, more of my conversation with the republican nominee for vice president, governor mike pence, as he prepared to fly out to florida, i asked him, what kind of vice president he would be and which past vp he would model himself after. >> i hold dick cheney in very high regard in his role as vice president. >> that's the kind of vice president you would want to be? >> i think a very active vice president. vice president cheney had experience in congress as i do. he was very active in working with members of the house and the senate. >> how about your portfolio, have you talked to mr. trump about your portfolio as vice president? >> well, we talked a bit about that. we keep our private conversations private. >> okay, give us a little hint there.
>> well, i think that, you know, i think donald trump's got an agenda to get this country moving again. i hope that i'll be an effective champion of that. >> just one more thing on dick cheney, he was often criticized as being too much of a force over the president. >> well, i think, what i admire most in vice presidents is when they're able to take the vision of the president and champion that on capitol hill. and i would hope that my relationships over my 12 years in congress and my four years here as governor of indiana will help carry donald trump's vision to make america great again. to people who will be crafting a - i was diagnosed with parkinson's actually in early 2013. it took awhile to sink in. we had to think a little more seriously about saving money for the future and for the kids.
- the income of airbnb really helped to mitigate the stress. - but we have that flexibility of knowing that if you know things get worse, we have this to help keep us afloat. - so that's very, very important for us. that's all for us today. thank you for sharing part of your sunday with us and remember, you can always catch our political coverage on your phone by downloading the abc news app and live-streaming breaking news reports from the campaign trail. have a great day. campaign trail. have a great day.