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what truly makes america great. what?! >> are you going to direct u.s. funds to pay for this wall? >> also, after president trump says he lost the popular vote because of 3 million to 5 million illegal votes, we ask him, where's the evidence is. >> that would be, like, the biggest electoral fraud of american history. you're now the president. do you want waterboarding? >> taking us inside the oval office. at keeps him awake tonight? and we see the letter left behind by president obama.
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the personal message, a closely guarded secret. >> a beautiful letter. so thoughtful. >> tonight, abc news special event, president donald trump, the white house interview. good evening, and tonight, right here, the abc news exclusive. the first network interview with president donald trump. just five days in, we travel to the white house today, and this evening, president trump on his new executive order to build the wall. what he told me about torture, waterboarding. about his plan to suspend immigration from certain runt countries. we asked about concerned americans losing their health care, and about millions of illegal votes on election day. the president taking us through his new home tonight, the people's house. our interview with president donald trump. >> reporter: mr. president, i know you're only five days in. has it changed you? >> i don't wanna change too much. i've had a wonderful life and wonderful success.
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i want to make this a great success for the american people and for the people that put me in this position. so i don't want to change too much. i can be the most presidential person ever, other than possibly the great abe lincoln, all right? but i can be the most presidential person. but i may not be able to do the job nearly as well if i do that. >> reporter: your predecessor -- used to talk often about finishing the day to get to his family upstairs. the stairwell's right over here. to have dinner with them. and i know that the first lady, melan melania, has a big job back in new york, taking care of baron. >> she does, yes. >> reporter: does it make it a lonely place for you, at the end of the day? >> no, because i end up working longer. and that's okay. i -- i mean i'm working long hours. i mean the country has a lot of problems. >> reporter: he says a lot of problems, and president trump tonight on the controversial news he has made already. >> reporter: mr. president, i wanna start, we're five days in. and your campaign promises. i know today you plan on signing the order to build the wall. >> correct. >> reporter: are you going to do
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with u.s. funds to pay for this wall? will american taxpayers pay for the wall? >> ultimately it'll come out of what's happening with mexico. we're gonna be starting those negotiations relatively soon. and we will be in a form reimbursed by mexico which i will say -- >> reporter: so they'll pay us back. >> yeah, absolutely. 100%. >> reporter: so the american taxpayer will pay for the wall at first. >> all it is we'll be reimbursed at a later date from whatever transaction we make from mexico. now i could wait a year and i could hold off the wall. but i wanna build the wall. we have to build the wall. we have to stop drugs from pouring in. we have to stop people from just pouring into our country. we have no idea where they're from. and i campaigned on the wall. and it's very important. but that wall will cost us nothing. >> reporter: but you talked -- often about mexico paying for the wall. and you, again, say they'll pay us back. mexico's president said in recent days that mexico absolutely will not pay, adding that, "it goes against our dignity as a country and our dignity as mexicans." he says quiet simply they're not paying. >> david, he has to say that. he has to say that. but i'm just telling you there
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will be a payment. it will be in a form, perhaps a complicated form. and you have to understand what i'm doing is good for the united states. it's also going to be good for mexico. >> reporter: what are you gonna say to some of your supporters who might say, "wait a minute, i thought mexico was going to pay for this right at the start." >> well, i'd say very simply that they are going to pay for it. i never said they're gonna pay from the start. i said mexico will pay for the wall. >> reporter: when does construction begin? >> as soon as we can. as soon as we can physically do it we're -- >> reporter: within months? >> i would say in months. yeah. i would say in months. certainly planning is starting immediately. >> reporter: i wanna ask about undocumented immigrants who are here -- in this country. right now they're protected as so-called dreamers -- the children who were brought here, as you know, by their parents. should they be worried that they could be deported? and is there anything you can say to assure them right now that they'll be allowed to stay? >> they shouldn't be very worried. they are here illegally. they shouldn't be very worried. i do have a big heart. we're going to take care of everybody. we're going to have a very strong border. we're gonna have a very solid border.
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where you have great people that are here that have done a good job they should be far less worried. we'll be coming out with policy on that over the next three to four weeks. >> reporter: so mr. president, will they be allowed to stay? >> i'm gonna tell you over the next four weeks. >> reporter: i wanna ask you about something you said this week right here about the white house. you brought in congressional leaders to the white house. you spoke at length about the presidential election with them, telling them that you lost the popular vote because of millions of illegal votes. 3 million to 5 million illegal votes. that would be the biggest electoral fraud in american history. where is the evidence of that? >> so let me tell you first of all, it was so misrepresented. that was supposed to be a confidential meeting. and you weren't supposed to go out and talk to the press as soon as you -- but the democrats -- viewed it not as a confidential meeting. >> reporter: but you have tweeted -- about the millions -- >> sure. and i do -- and i'm very -- i mean it. but just so you -- it was supposed to be a confidential meeting. they turned it into not a con -- number two -- the conversation
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lasted for about a minute. they made it -- somebody said it was, like, 25% of the -- it wasn't. it was hardly even discussed. i said it. and i said it strongly because what's going on with voter fraud is horrible. that's number one. number two, i would've won the popular vote if i was campaigning for the popular vote. i would've gone to california where i didn't go at all. i would've gone to new york where i didn't campaign at all. i would've gone to a couple of places that i didn't go to. and i would've won that much easier than winning the electoral college. but as you know the electoral college is all that matters. it doesn't make any difference. with that being said, if you looked at voter registration, you look at the dead people that are registered to vote who vote, you look at people that are registered in two states, you look at all of these different things that are happening with registration. you take a look at those registration for -- you're gonna find, and we're going to do an investigation on it -- >> reporter: but three to five million illegal voters? >> well, we're gonna find out. but it could very well be that much. you have people that are registered who are dead, who are
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illegals, who are in two states. you have people registered in two states. they're registered in a new york and a new jersey. they vote twice. there are millions of votes, in my opinion. now -- >> reporter: but again -- >> i'm gonna -- investigation. david, david. >> reporter: so you're not -- >> i want it to be legimate. of course. >> but when you are sin in your opinion, millions of votes, that's fundamental to our democracy, a fair and free election. >> sure. >> reporter: you say you're gonna launch an investigation. >> sure, done. >> reporter: what you have presented so far has been debunked. it's been called-- >> no it hasn't. >> reporter: -- false. >> take a look at the peer rerts. >> reporter: i called the author of the peer report last night. and he told me that they found no evidence of voter -- -- fraud. >> why did he write the report? >> reporter: he said no evidence of voter fraud. >> excuse me, then why did he write the report? somebody --
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pew report. then he's -- he's groveling again. you know, i always talk about the reporters that grovel when they want to write something that you want to hear, but not necessarily millions of people want to hear, or have to hear. >> reporter: so you've launched an investigation? >> we're gonna launch an investigation to find out. and then the next time -- and -- and i will say this, of those votes cast, none of 'em come to me. none of 'em come to me. they would all be for the other side. none of 'em come to me. but when you look at the people that are reg sistered. dead, illegal, and two states. in some cases, maybe three states. we have a lot to look into. >> reporter: house speaker paul ryan has said, "i have seen no evidence. i have made this very, very clear." senator lindsey graham saying, "it's the most inappropriate for a president to say without proof. he seems obsessed with the idea that he could not have possibly lost the popular vote without cheating and fraud." i wanna ask you about something bigger here. >> there nothing bigger.-- there's nothing bigger. >> reporter: it is important because -- >> let me st tell you, you know what's important, milons of people agree with me when i say that if you were to looked on one of the other networks and
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all of the people that were calling in they're saying, "we agree with mr. trump. we agree." they're very smart people. >> reporter: let me just ask you, you did win. you're the president. you're sitting -- >> that's true. >> reporter: -- across from me right now. >> that's true. >> reporter: do you think that your words matter more now? >> yes very much. >> reporter: do you think that that talking about millions of illegal votes is dangerous to this country -- >> no not at all. >> reporter: -- without presenting the evidence? >> not at all because many people feel the same way that i do. and -- >> reporter: you don't think it undermines your credibility and-- >> no i do not because they would -- they didn't come to me. believe me. those were hillary votes. >> reporter: mr. president, i just have one more question on this. and it's -- it's -- it's bigger picture. you -- you took some heat -- after your visit to the cia in front of that hallowed wall, 117 stars -- of those lost at the cia you talked about other things. but you also talked about crowd size at the inauguration, about the size of your rallies, about covers on "time" magazine. and i just wanna ask you when does all of that matter just a little less? when do you let it roll off your back now that you're the president? >> ok, so i'm glad you asked. so i went to the cia, my first step. i have great respect for the people in intelligence and
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cia. i'm -- i don't have a lot of respect in particular one of the leaders. but that's okay. but i have a lotta respect for the people in cia. that speech was a home run. that speech, if you look at fox, okay. i'll mention you -- we see what fox said. they said it was one of the great speeches. they showed the people applauding and screaming and -- and they're all cia. there was -- somebody was asking sean -- "well, were they trump people that were put --" we don't have trump people. they were cia people. that location was given to me. mike pence went up before me, paid great homage to the wall. i then went up, paid great homage to the wall. i then spoke to the crowd. i got a standing ovation, in fact. >> -- gotten -- >> reporter: you would do the same speech if you went back -- >> absolutely. >> reporter: -- in front of that wall? >> people loved it. they loved it. they gave me a standing ovation for a long period of time. they never even stay down, most of them, during the speech. there was love in the room. you and other networks covered it very inaccurately. i hate to say this to you and you probably won't put it on but turn on fox and see how it was
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covered. and see how people respond to that speech. that speech was a good speech. and you and a couple of other networks tried to downplay that speech. and it was very, very unfortunate that you did. >> reporter: i am curious about the first full day here at the white house, choosing to send briefing room, summoning nto the reporters to talk about the inaugural crowd size. does that send a message to the american people that that's -- that's more important than some of the very pressing issues? >> part of my whole victory was that the men and women of this country who have been forgotten will never be forgotten again. part of that is when they try and demean me unfairly, because we had a massive crowd of people. we had a crowd -- i looked over that sea of people and i said to myself, "wow." and i've seen crowds before. big, big crowds. that was some crowd. when i looked at the numbers that happened to come in from all of the various sources, we
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had the biggest audience from history of inaugural speeches. i said the men and women that i was talking to who came out and voted will never be forgotten again. therefore, i want to allow you or other people like you to demean that crowd and to demean the people that came to washington, d.c. from faraway places because they like me. but more importantly they like what i'm saying. >> announcer: when we come back, what the president revealed to us about torture and waterboarding. >> reporter: you're now the president, do you want waterboarding? >> announcer: what president trump is saying tonight, already generating headlines. and our walk through the white house -- what is was like being handed the nuclear codes. and his new office. >> reporter: so we're in the oval office. >> this is the oval office. >> announcer: what he shows us, and the letter president obama left for president trump when we come back.
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>> announcer: president trump, the white house interview with david muir continues. >> reporter: mr. trump let's talk about many things that have happened this week, chicago, last night you tweeted about the murder rate in chicago saying "if chicago doesn't fix the
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horrible carnage going on, i will send in the feds." you will send in the fends. what do you mean by that? >> right. it's carnage. you know in my speech i got tremendous from certain people the word carnage, it is carnage. it's horrible carnage. this is afghanistan, is not like what's happening in chicago. people are being shot left and right. thousands of people over a short period of time. this year, which has just started is worse than last year which was a catastrophe. they're not doing the job. now, if they want help, i would love to help them. i will send in what we have to send in. maybe they're not going to have to be so politically correct, maybe they're being overly politically correct. maybe there's something going on, but you can't have those killings going on in chicago, chicago is like a war zone, chicago is worse than some of the people that you report in some of the places that you report about every night, in the middle east. >> reporter: you mentioned
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federal assistance. there's federal assistance and then there's "sending in the feds." i'm just curious, will you take action on your own? >> i want them to fix the problem. you can't have thousands of people being shot in a city, in a country that i happen to be president of. maybe it's okay if somebody else is president. i want them to fix the problem, they have a problem that's very easily fixable. they're going to have to get tougher and stronger and smarter, but they gotta fix the problem. i don't want to have thousands of people shot in a city where essentially i'm the president, i love chicago, i know chicago, and chicago is a great city. it can be a great city. it can't be a great city if people are shot walking down the street for a loaf of bread. can't be a great city. >> reporter: and if they're unable to fix it.--
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that's when you will send in the feds? >> well so far they have been unable to fix it. it's been going on for years and i wasn't president. look when president obama was there two weeks ago making a speech, very nice speech, two people were killed during his speech, you can't have that. they weren't shot at the speech, but they were shot in the city of chicago during his speech. what's going on? so all i'm saying is to the mayor, who came up to my office recently. i say you have to smarten up and you have to toughen up, because you can't let that happen, that's a war zone. >> reporter: so this is an "or else," this is a warning? >> i want them to straighten out the problem, it's a big problem. >> reporter: let me ask you about a new report that you are poised to lift a ban on so called cia black sites, prisons around the world that have been used in the past is that true? >> well, i'll be talking about that in about two hours so you'll be there and you'll be able to see it for yourself. >> reporter: tonight, we are still waiting on the word for any decision involving those so-called black sites. we do not torture. will you say that? >> i have great respect for general mattis. i was a little surprised he is not a believer of torture. as you know, mr. pompeo was just approved, affirmed by the
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senate. he is a fantastic guy. he is going to be the head of the cia. you will have somebody fabulous as opposed to the character that just got out. he was not fabulous at all. and he will, i think, do a great job, and he is, you know -- i haven't gone into great detail, but i will tell you i have spoken to others. in intelligence. and they are big believers in as an example, waterboarding. >> reporter: you did tell me. >> it does work. >> reporter: you told me during one of the debates that you would bring back waterboarding and a hell of a lot worse in your words. >> i want to keep our country safe. i want to keep our country safe. >> reporter: what does that mean? >> when they are chopping off the heads of other people. when they are chopping off the heads of people because they happen on a christian, and isis is doing things that nobody has heard of since medieval times,
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would i feel strongly about wat waterboarding? as far as i'm concerned, we have to fight fire with fighter. with that being said, i'm goik going with general mattis, and what they say. i have spoken as recently as 24 hours ago with people at the highest level of intelligence, and i asked them the question. does it work? does torture work? and the answer was, yes. absolutely. >> reporter: you're now the president. do you want waterboarding? >> i don't want people to chop off the citizens' or anybody's heads in the middle east, okay? because they are christian or muslim or anything else. i don't want -- look. you are old enough to have seen a time that was much different. you never saw heads chopped off until a few years ago. now they chop them off and put them on camera and send them all over the world. so we have that, and we're not allowed to do anything. we're not playing on an even
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field. i will say this. ly i will rely on pompeo and mattis and my group. if they don't want to do, then that's fine. if they do want to do, i'll work for that end. i want to do everything within the bounds of what you are allowed to do legally. do i feel it works? . absolutely, i feel it works. >> reporter: you would be okay with it as president. >> no. i will rely on general mattis, and those two people and others. and if they don't want to do it, it's 100% okay with me. do i think it works? absolutely. >> reporter: we head outside where we discuss what happened shortly after president trump took the oath of office. this is the famous walk you have seen so many presidents -- >> so many. >> reporter: let me ask you. right after the oath of office, they give you the nuclear codes. sobering moment? >> when they explained what it represents and the kind of destruction that you are talking about, it is a very sobering
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moment, yes. it's very, very scary in a sense. >> reporter: does it keep you up at night? >> no. but i'm confident i'll do the right thing. the right job. but it's a very, very scary thing. >> reporter: every president does get asked, though, what keeps them awake. what's unsettling. what has been most unsettling for you now that you are five days in? >> i think i see a tremendous amount of waste. i see a tremendous amount of job opportunities that have been let go for many years, and i'm not just talking about president obama. i'm talking about for many, many years. and i was a big, big fan of ronald reagan, but i was a never big fan on trade with respect to ronald reagan. >> reporter: so the economy -- >> we have had years and years of allowing our jobs to be dissipated in this country, and there's no reason for it. >> reporter: so the economy keeps you up more than terrorism
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and homeland security? >> i do it all the same. all very important. >> reporter: really? >> yep. terrorism is number one because we have to keep people safe. most importantly. but we have to bring the jobs back. i talked about the forgotten men and women. they are not forgotten anymore because they came out and voted. a lot of you people -- you folks didn't know they existed. they were saying, where did they come from? it was amazing, wasn't it? >> announcer: when he come back, suspending immigration from certain countries. and here at home, we ask the president about the millions of americans who are concerned they could lose their health care if obamacare is repealed. >> reporter: can you assure those americans watching this right now that they will not lose their health insurance or end up with anything less? >> announcer: and the march. the more than a million protesters, women, men and
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>> announcer: this abc news exclusive, president trump, the white house interview with david muir continues. >> reporter: mr president, i want to ask you about refugees. you're about to sign a sweeping executive action to suspend
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immigration to this country. >> right. >> reporter: who are we talking about? is this the muslim ban? >> we're talking about -- no it's not the muslim ban, but it's countries that have tremendous terror. and it's countries that people are going to come in and cause us tremendous problems. our country has enough problems without allowing people to come in, who in many cases or in some cases, are looking to do tremendous destruction. you look at what happened -- >> reporter: which countries are we talking about? >> i have two whole list. you will be thrilled. you're looking at people that come in, in many cases, in some cases, with evil intentions. i don't want that. they're isis, they're coming under false pretense. i don't want that. i'm going to be the president of a safe country. we have enough problems. now, i'll absolutely do safe zones in syria for the people. i think that europe has made a tremendous mistake by allowing these millions of people to go into germany and various other countries, and all you have to do is take a look, it's a disaster what's happening over there.
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i don't want that to happen here. now, with that being said, president obama and hillary clinton have a -- and kerry -- have allowed tens of thousands of people into our country. the fbi is now investigating more people than ever before having to do with terror. they -- and it's from the group of people that came in. so look. look. our country has a lot of problems, believe me. i know what the problems are, even better than you do. they're deep problems, they're serious problems. we don't need more. >> reporter: let me ask you about some of the countries that won't be on the list. afghanistan, pakistan, saudi arabia. >> you're going to see. you're going to see. we're going to have extreme vetting in all cases. and i mean extreme. and we're not letting people in if we think there is even some chance of some problem.
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>> reporter: are you at all concerned -- >> we are excluding certain countries, but for other countries, we're going to have extreme vetting. it's going to be very hard to come in. right now, it's very easy to come in. it's going to be very hard. i don't want terror in this country. you look at what happened in san bernardino. you look at what happened all over. you look at what happened in the world trade center, okay? i mean take that as an example. people don't bring that up. >> reporter: are you at all concerned it's going to cause more anger among muslims around the world? >> anger? there's plenty of anger right now. how can you have more? >> reporter: you don't think it will exacerbate the problem? >> david, david -- i mean, i know you're a sophisticated guy. the world is a mess. the world is as angry as it gets. what you think this is going to cause a little more anger? the world is an angry place. all of this has happened. we went into iraq. we shouldn't have gone into iraq. we shouldn't have gotten out the way we got out. the world is a total mess. the world is a mess, david. >> reporter: you brought up iraq, and you brought up something that could affect
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american troops in recent days. you said, "we should have kept the oil, but okay, maybe we'll have another chance." what did you mean by that? >> well, we should have kept the oil when we got out you know it's very interesting, had we taken the oil you wouldn't have isis. because they fuel themselves with the oil that's where they got the money. >> reporter: so you think we should have taken the oil? >> who are the critics that say that? they are fools. we should have taken the oil, and if we took the oil, we wouldn't have isis. we would have had wealth. we have spent right now, $6 trillion in the middle east, and our country is falling apart. >> reporter: what got my attenti attention, mr. president is when you said, maybe we'll have another chance. >> don't let it get your attention too much. we'll see what happens. we're going to see what happens. i told you and i told everybody else that wants to talk. when it comes to the military, i
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don't want to discuss things. i want to let -- i want to let the action take place before the talk takes place. i watched in mosul, a number of months ago, generals and politicians would get up and say, we're going into mosul in four months. then they would say we're going in three months, two months, next week. okay. and i kept saying to myself. gee, why do they have to keep talking about going in? all right. so they go in, and it is tough because they have given the enemy all this time to prepare. i don't want to do a lot of talking about the military. i want to talk after it's finished. not before it starts. >> announcer: when we come back, the millions of americans who want to know what the replacement will be for obamacare. >> reporter: i'm just asking about the people who are watching that need reassuring. >> announcer: and later, in the oval office. president trump revealing the conversation with president obama. as we got into the motorcade
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>> reporter: let me ask you, mr. president, about another promise involving obama care to repeal it. you told the washington post that your plan to replace obamacare will include insurance for everybody. that sounds an awful lot like universal coverage. >> it's going to be what my plan is i wanna take care of everybody. i'm not gonna leave the lower 20% that can't afford insurance. just so you understand, people talk about obamacare, and i told the republicans this, the best thing we can do is nothing for two years let it explode and then we'll go in and do a new plan and the democrats will vote for it. believe me. because this year, you will have 150% increases. last year in arizona 116% increase, minnesota sixty some odd percent increase, and i told them except for one problem. i want to get it fixed. the best thing i could do as the leader of this country but as wanting to get something approved with support of the democrats if i didn't do anything for two years they'd be begging me to do something.
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but i don't want to do that. so just so you -- obamacare is a disaster. it's too expensive. it's a horrible health care. it doesn't cover what you have to cover. it's a disaster. i said to the republican folks, and they are terrific folks. mitch and paul ryan. i said, look. if you go fast, and i'm okay with doing it because it's the right thing to do. we want to get good coverage at much less cost, i said, if you go fast we then own obamacare. they're gonna put it on us. and obamacare is a disaster waiting to explode. if you sit back and let it explode it's gonna be much easier. that's the thing to do, but the right thing to do is to get something done now. i want to make sure that nobody's dying on the streets when i'm president. >> reporter: you have seen the estimate that 18 million americans could lose their health insurance if obamacare is repealed and there is no replacement. can you assure those americans
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watching this right now that they will not lose their health insurance for have anything less? >> so nobody ever deducts all the people that have already lost their health insurance that liked it. you had millions of people that liked their health insurance and their healthcare and their doctor and where they went. you had millions of people that now aren't insured anymore. >> rorter: i'm just asking about the people who are nervous and are watching for reassurance -- >> here's what i can assure you, we are going to have a better plan, much better healthcare, much better service treatment, a plan where you can have access to the doctor that you want, the plan that you want. we're going to have a much better health care plan at much less money. we're going to have an explosion. and to do it right, sit back and let it explode and let the democrats come begging us to help them, because it's on them. but i don't want to do that. i want to give great health care at a much lower cost. >> reporter: so no one who has this health insurance through obamacare will lose it or end up with anything less? >> well, you know when you say
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no one, i think no one. ideally, in the real world you're talking about millions of people -- will no one, and then you know, knowing abc, you'll have this one person on television saying how they were hurt. okay, we want no one. we want the answer to be no one, but i will say millions of people will be happy. right now, you have millions and millions and millions of people that are unhappy. >> reporter: and as we walked through the white house, we asked the president about the voices. just outside washington, d.c. and across the country, the more than a million men, women and children who marched during the inauguration. could you hear the voices from the women's march here in washington? we know there were more than a million people who turned out, and and you are their president now too. >> it's true. them?porter: could you hear >> i couldn't hear them. the crowdsere large, but you will have gea larrowd on
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friday, too, which is mostly pro-life people too, and i didn't realize this. but i was told. you will have a very large crowd of people. as large or larger. some people said it will be larger. pro-life people and they say the press doesn't cover them. >> reporter: i don't want to compare crowd sizes again. >> what you do say is that the press doesn't cover them. >> reporter: we saw the marches aarou around the country. do you sense the responsibility to reach out and unite them? for those women, men and children who marched who are watching this, what would you say to them? >> i do, but i have to also say, we just had an election. a few weeks ago. and they voted in many cases, and some cases they didn't vote i imagine. and we did have an election. with that being said, absolutely have responsibility to everybody, including people that didn't vote for donald trump. totally. this is the oval office. >> announcer: when we come back, president trump takes us into
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the oval office. >> reporter: what moves you the most about the room? >> announcer: the president o on what he changed already here. the letter left by obama, and the phone call after reading it. when we come back. how to brush his teeth. (woman vo) in march, my husband didn't recognize our grandson. (woman 2 vo) that's when moderate alzheimer's made me a caregiver. (avo) if their alzheimer's is getting worse, ask about once-a-day namzaric. namzaric is approved for moderate to severe alzheimer's disease
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>> announcer: president trump, the white house interview with david muir continues. >> reporter: so we're in the oval office. >> this is the oval office. this is truly one of the great spaces. and i bring people in from general motors and from ford and the biggest people and i bring in the labor leaders and people that are in the labor movement. and they walk into this room and they just want to take it in. they could stand here for an hour just taking it in. >> reporter: what moves you the most about this room? >> just the history of it. the importance of it. what's happened here. i actually put some pictures up that i thought would be great. some of the paintings that i thought would be really appropriate. george washington.
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alexander hamilton. thomas jefferson. abraham lincoln. andrew jackson, who a lot of people they compare the campaign of trump with. the campaign of -- you have to go back to 1828, but there seems to be a comparison for, you know, certain obvious reasons, but -- >> reporter: we're standing on ronald reagan's rug? >> this was ronald reagan's and you have a choice, when you come in. they have eight or nine carpets. they have different furniture. the desk is, uh -- >> reporter: the resolute desk. >> yes. yes. it's the resolute desk. it's very nice, and it's interesting. this was given to me to get here, and adams versus jefferson, and this book, they say, this was the most vicious campaign ever fought for president until this. >> reporter: who gave this to
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you? >> somebody. a combatant. and this was a letter given to me by president obama. >> reporter: we saw that image of him the final morning that he was here putting the letter on the desk. >> which was -- i won't show it to you or read it to you. just a beautiful letter. >> reporter: is there a line you can share that struck you most? >> there were numerous lines. so well-written. so thoughtful. so thoughtful. and the draw. it's a custom, but i doubt too many of them were written in this manner. he -- as a matter of fact, i called him and thanked him for the thought that was put into it. >> reporter: i have to say, i have looked at a lot of those presidential letters that they have left for the next president. that one looks a lot longer than the ones that i have seen. >> it was long, it was complex, it was thoughtful, and it took time to do it, and i appreciat it, and i called him and thanked
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him. >> reporter: was there something he said in that letter that surprised you? >> well, i think, nothing that surprised me, but it was stated beautifully, and i'm representing a lot of people, and i'm carrying on a very important tradition. and just cdo a great job. he wants me to do a great job. he said something that was interesting to me. he said, if i thought your health care plan was going to be better than his plan, obamacare, i would support it, and i believe he would. i believe he would. >> reporter: what was that car ride like to the capitol? you got in the car with the president who was about to leave, and -- >> the amazing thing to me, and he may say differently, is that we -- i think we have sort of a great relationship, and yet it was a vicious campaign, and vicious things were said by him and by me about each other.
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i middle easte i mean, he said, i would never represent the republican party. then i won. and i said vicious things about him. you talk about jefferson and adams. this was rough. hillary had a great asset on her side. him and michelle, who is a phenomenal person, but hillary had these two people that were really campaigning big league. in fact, i was going out and pla complaining about it. i was, like, not really fair, but to have that kind of vitriol. to have that kind of stuff going on, and then we're riding in a car together up pennsylvania avenue, and i said to myself -- i said so him, this is a little weird, isn't it? we didn't discuss the negative. we discussed the future and the positive, and we really get along well. again, he may say differently,
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but i don't think he would. we really got along well. >> reporter: you bring up hillary clinton. you had her stand up in the hall and said some very kientd things about her. >> she fought hard. >> reporter: do you think america is done hear act investigations into hillary clinton? >> i just don't know. i hope so from my standpoint. i want to move onto the future. so i hope so. i don't know what the status of that is. i know it's aotf very serious stuff, but i certainly hope so. >> reporter: we have sn the amount of to action at this desk over the week. the dow hit 20,000. >> i'm very proud of that. i'm very proud of that. the business community and labor community. one of them said it's the single greatest meeting i have ever had with anybody. the highlight of my life, and the dow just hit 20,000. the fir time in history. i'm very proud of that. now we have to go up, up, up. >> reporter: that's the challenge, mr. president. >> that will be the challenge, but it's gone up a lot since i
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won. don't forget, when i won people thought, oh, maybe we'll go down. but the business world doesn't think that. the business world knows me. they don't think that. and it was a steady climb, and now we just hit a record, and a number that's never been hit before. so i was very honored by that. >> reporter: the president then takes us through the west wing to show us the photos they already have on the walls. >> these are some of the pictures that were taken. this is the swearing in, and the first dance with melania. here's the picture of the event. here's a picture of the crowd. now t audience was the biggest ever. but this crowd was massive. look how far baz ck it goes. this was massive, and i would take your camera and take your time. >> reporter: i want to ask you about this photo here. i saw this on inauguration day, and i saw you put your hand on president obama's back there.
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on executive one, and no longer marine one. i saw you smiling. >> there is a warmth -- if you saw that picture, there is a warmth the,ut that was an incredibly beautiful moment. and i have seen it over the years. i have seen the good and the bad, but the scene of that great machine turning on, and lifting off, it was really something special. >> reporter: he points to an image of his daughter, ivan, and his son-in-law, jared kushner, now the senior adviser to the president. is there any chance ivanka might have an office here in the white house? >> right now, she is just gettige getting settled, moved to washington. her husband, jared, very smart. >> reporter: he will have a role, and he is in office. >> he is in office. we'll see what happens. she is a special person. >> reporter: you're not -- >> she has every quality you could have. i don't rule out anything. there's certainly a possibility, and jared has been here and he is doing a great job. >> reporter: just before we leave, the president tells us,
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he wants to show us just one more image. >> one thing this shows is how far over they go here. look how far this is. they go all the way down here. all the way down. you don't see that in the pictures. when you look at this tremendous sea of love -- i call it a sea of love. it's really something special. that all these people traveled from all parts of country. maybe the world. all parts of country. hard for them to
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thank you for joining us here tonight. we will have much more with president trump tonight on "night line" and tomorrow on "good morning america." many of you have waited tine, and we want to hear from you. we have also posted the entire transcript from our interview on our website. i'm david muir, and i hope to see you tomorrow for "world news tonight." and from all of us here at abc news, good night.
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