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"this week" with george stephanopoulos starts right now. >> not backing down. >> these attacks involve a minor. they're completely false and untrue. >> with alabama senate candidate roy moore lashing out after the disturbing allegations of sexual misconduct. >> to think that grown women would wait 40 years to bring charges is absolutely unbelievable. why now? >> the republican party and alabama voters facing a defining moment. will they believe his multiple accusers and fight to prevent him from entering the u.s. senate? or, will they accept him as one of their own? we'll ask president trump's senior counsellor how she'll advise the president. and face to face. >> i believe that president
putin really feels, and he feels strongly, that he did not meddle in our election. >> president trump says he wants to move on and get to work. should he be putting more pressure on putin? plus, buyer's remorse. would you vote for donald trump again? >> no. >> the gop takes a hit after major losses in two key states. can the democrats carry this momentum into the midterms and 2020? we ask dnc chair tom perez. from the white house, to your house, we take on the moments that mattered, "this week." >> announcer: from abc news, it's "this week." here now, co-anchor martha raddatz. good morning. it's been a year since the 2016 election and a year since republicans were rejoicing at winning majorities that put them in control of both congress and the white house. fast forward to this week. the gop suffering blows in tuesday's elections. losing ground to the democrats in what's being seen as a
referendum on president trump. and making the republican push to pass tax reform and demonstrating their ability to govern more important than ever. but the gop now has an even greater battle ahead. on thursday, those troubling allegations emerged in "the washington post" against alabama republican senate candidate roy moore. accused of sexual contact with a 14-year-old girl. decades ago. the allegations graphic in their detail. accuser leigh corfman told "the post," moore took off her shirt and pants and removed her clothes. he touched her over her bra and underpants and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear. three other women coming forward, saying moore pursued them when they were between 16 and 18 years old. moore was in his 30s. but the candidate also known to
some as the ten commandments judge has fired back with a strong denial. not only calling the accusations false, but painting this as a smear campaign. blaming the media, the democrats, the republican establishment. and the women who accused him. >> isn't it strange that after 40 years, of constant investigation, people have waited to four weeks prior to the general election to bring their complaints? it's not a coincidence. it's an intentional act to stop a campaign. >> these accusations coming at a watershed moment as more and more individuals come forward to share their stories of sexual harassment or abuse. implicating harvey weinstein. louis c.k. and kevin spacey, among others. now the question for republicans in washington, alabama, and all across america, how will they respond? unless the election is delayed,
roy moore will be on the ballot next month. will republicans choose to support a candidate accused of engaging in sexual misconduct with a minor? will they denounce him and risk losing a key senate seat? if he wins, will they count him among their ranks? it's a defining choice. 42 republican senators have responded to the allegations. most of them saying, if, if the allegations are true, he should step aside. and the white house has echoed that same line as the president travels overseas this week. but trump is promising further comments after he returns to the u.s. so, will we see a more decisive response from the president? for more, let's bring in counsellor to the president and one of his top advisers, kellyanne conway. her voice among those advising
donald trump as he decides whether to reject roy moore.
and good morning, kellyanne. "the washington post" story is three days old. you have had time to digest it. look through it. do you have any doubt about the veracity of those accusations? >> i said early in the process, that the conduct as described should keep anyone from running for public office. i'm sta-- i'll stand by that. and the republicans have said, if these are true, he should be disqualified. mr. moore has denied that conduct. other people are out there talking about what did or did not happen many years ago. >> that goes back to the if, if. if, if, if we prove this conduct, then he should leave. what is it that has to happen now for you to go into he should step aside? >> the one thing i will say is that the president is also not as focused as he is on his major
13-day trip abroad. and so he made a statement. he's sticking by that statement. he's not being briefed bit by bit. he's focused on new trade agreements. he's very focused on global cooperation against a nuclearized north korea. combatting terrorism. >> we'll get back to that. let me ask you again, do you have any doubt about the veracity of the accusations? >> martha, i only know what i read. i take seriously allegations like this. particularly when they involve somebody who happens to be one of my daughters' ages. i take this seriously. i have tried to be a loud voice for a very long time against sexual impropriety. >> you believe the accusations? >> i know what i read. i don't know the accusers. i don't know judge roy moore. i also want to make sure that we, as nation, are not always prosecuting people through the press. he's denied the allegations. i have read the stories. i have heard not the testimony, the evidence, but what people are saying publicly. and, i think that the -- what we
have all said stands. i came out very -- probably the first person in the administration to come out because i happened to be interviewed on a different network about a different topic. tax cuts. i said this conduct should be disqualifying. i look around and say, is this the best we can do? >> roy moore says conduct like that should be disqualifying. he's just saying he didn't do it. so what is the standard of proof here? it's one thing to say it's terrible conduct. it is. i'm not sure anyone would disagree with you. the question is and you're an adviser to the president. you have been following this. what is your standard of proof here? i mean, you either believe the women, or you don't. and this isn't a trial. but -- >> you said it best. it's not a trial. what do you mean the standard of proof and the evidence? >> i mean, what does it take for you to say he should resign? what has to happen before you would advise the president to say, roy moore should step
aside? >> the president said he should step aside if the allegations are true.
>> if, if, if. where does the if lie? >> but martha. hold on. i want to broaden this conversation. it would be a dangerous conversation for any of us to just be cast aside as guilty because of press reports. this is a democracy with a constitutional system that allows us to have a process. so -- we're not in trial here. i only know what i read. what i read is very disturbing. what i read offends me greatly as a woman, as a mother of three young girls. >> understood. but what you're saying is maybe those four women are lying? >> no, i didn't say that. >> you have four women. who "the post" came to. >> i didn't say that. i didn't say that. but i also know that credibility is not been imbued on other people when they have tried to raise issues like this based on their political affiliations and based on who they work for. we know that. many accusers over the years, much evidence against a former president. and very little coverage of that. respectfully. the fact is, that -- on this particular issue, we need to
have a serious conversation. on this one, you're talking about decades-long conduct. allegations in the press. and we already in this conversation have probably spent more time talking about roy moore and this than we have talked about a democratic united states senator sitting in a federal courthouse as a criminal defendant in a trial. has been indicted on some serious criminal counts and we can't get any coverage on it. >> we'll be talking about that. we'll be talking about that. >> let me be very explicit here. i denounce that conduct. if the allegations are true, he should step aside. if they're true about a lot of people, they ought to step aside. some of them are probably holding office right now. >> mitt romney tweeted innocent until proven guilty is for criminal convictions, not elections. i believe leigh corfman. her account is too serious to ignore. mor is unfit for office and should step aside. so let me ask you one more question on this, do you believe
leigh corfman? >> i don't know leigh corfman. you're asking me -- >> that means it goes nowhere. >> that's not true. you're asking on behalf of the white house and the president to make a judgment about something when he's on a 13-day trip and spoke explicitly as has the vice president, i, other top advisers. let me say it one last time. the conduct as described is not just offensive and disgusting, it disqualifies anyone who has done it from holding public office. so let me go a little step farther. if there's anyone currently in public office who has behaved that way to any girl or woman, maybe they should step aside. in a country of 330 million people, we ought to be able to do better than this. i tried to raise this issue a year ago on october 9th. i said explicitly that i had been a victim of people in power. nobody took me seriously. you know why? because of who i work for. whose campaign i was managing. i tried to have the conversation a year before everybody else.
you want to have this conversation, everybody. let's have it. but let's be honest about it. it goes far beyond one article in a newspaper. it's in most -- >> i want to move on to russia. but -- let me say again, four women who were named. and 30 women corroborating it. >> they should have their day. they should have their day. they should speak up. >> i think they did. in "the washington post." >> they should. the rest of it, you're asking me about political strategy. valid access in the state of alabama. that's up to alabama. it's hard to read this. >> i know. but you also can't say whether you believe the accusers or not. you're not going to go that far. so let's move on to russia. i want to get clarity on president trump's position. he said saturday on air force one that every time he sees vladimir putin, putin says, i didn't do that, and i believe, i really believe that when he tells me that, he means it. he tried to clarify that in a press conference overnight. let's listen. >> i believe he feels that he
and russia did not meddle in the election. as to whether i believe it or not, i'm with our agencies, especially as currently constituted with their leadership. i believe in our intel agencies. our intelligence agencies. >> those two statements seem to contradict each other. which is it? >> no, it's what i -- i can't imagine the president could be more explicit. he said yesterday, as he said today, that when president putin says it, president putin means it. he means they didn't interfere. what the president said is -- >> he thinks he's just delusional? president putin? >> he didn't use that word. he said president putin believes it. what the president believes is what's most important here. he believes the assessment of the intelligence communities. he stands by that. he's very respectful of that. director pompeo of the cia said the same thing. this president has formed his judgment about the issues. based on the intelligence communities of this country.
the president is not the chairman of the board of elections. he's the president of the united states. he wants to deal with president putin and other world leaders as he has for two weeks now, martha, on major issues like global security. on trade, perhaps. in other countries. on combatting isis. on a nuclearized north korea. most americans watching this show and everywhere in this country right now appreciate having a strong leader who is willing to take his council from the -- along with the international community and put the case right to north korea, say to abe, putin, xi, and others, join with us. in making sure the nuclearized north korea is contained. >> let's talk about what else he said about north korea. president trump tweeted this yesterday from vietnam. why would kim jong-un insult me by calling me old when i would never call him short and fat, which is apparently trending on twitter right now. oh, well, i tried so hard to be his friend. maybe some day that will happen. how is that helpful?
>> i think the whole trip is very helpful. >> how is that helpful? how is that helpful? >> martha, what's helpful in full context, is a 13-day trip where the president is focused on global security and combatting terrorism. and containing a nuclearized north korea. north korea is everyone's business. this man has been on the job for nine or ten months. we inherited a mess. including a nuclearized north korea. including the iran deal. including many hot spots around the globe. that he is trying when he's here at his desk and when he's abroad on these trips, he's trying to make better on behalf of everyone. >> you think name-calling is helpful? calling somebody short and fat? >> i think that that was a -- the president just responding the way he does to somebody who insulted him first. but i look at the full context of his entire trip and everything he's trying to do. it's been an incredibly successful and inspiring trip for those who care about north korea not being nuclearized. for those who care about free trade in this country. for those who care about trade
agreements that don't keep screwing americans and american workers. for those who care about syria and what happens with china. what the president's been able to do with leaders around the world, the cooperation is -- up. they have announced big new deals here. which affect american workers and interests. and that, plus the tax cut we're going to get very soon, is why you see the stock market and consumer confidence at all-time highs. people like what they see. >> thank you for joining us. joining me from alabama, matt murphy and andrea lindenburg. they're the hosts of the most listened to political news radio program, matt and ani, what is syndicated throughout the state. matt, i want to start with you. your radio show broadcasts all across alabama. how are your listeners reacting to the roy moore story? do people believe the accusations? are they skeptical? >> well, initially, martha, it was a reaction of shock. roy moore is a known quantity in
alabama. he's been running for chief justice. run for governor twice. we have known him for 20, 25 years of his political life. it was one of shock that this type of explosive allegation would not have come out before now. and frankly, there is skepticism considering the source. we understand in a conservative state like alabama, perhaps we don't share the values of "the washington post." listeners questioned the source and the timing of all of this initially. >> and you were in touch with two of the accusers. they're standing by their stories. this is not just "the washington post." these are four women coming forward. >> that's true. the day the story broke, we immediately started -- i reached out to them on social media to see if i could talk with them a little bit more. two of the women in the 16 to 18 age range in the article, um, responded to me. one said that she stood by the story in "the washington post." she thought she was represented well.
and she didn't have any other comment. the other woman who responded said, that, she didn't have any other comment either. the next morning, when we were on the air, she typed to me a message, she said, i'm listening to the show right now. so we presented to our listeners, what do you want to say to these women? what do you want to ask? she responded with something else before she stopped communication. she said, i have a problem with the fact that he gave me alcohol when i was 18 and the drinking age was 19 at the time. she said it matters. she may come forward and tell her story, she said, as others come forward. then communication stopped. and she -- her attorney released another statement. >> and matt or both of you, reheard roy moore deny the accusations, calling them false, untrue, fake news. do you think alabama res found that response satisfactory? andrea, why don't you start. >> well, i think that response some did. certainly his supporters are loyal. they're staunch.
that was enough for them. others wanted more. then he had an interview that he did and we listened to that closely friday and friday night. that was a little bit more detailed. but, you really have two camps calling us. one, the supporters who absolutely believe roy moore and that this didn't happen. and then there are others who want more information. they don't want to discount what the women are saying, no matter the motivation. >> i would say whether it happened a week ago or 39 years ago, an allegation like this is serious. i think the alabama voters are taking it seriously. they want to hear from judge moore. we have a call out to judge moore to come on the show. he claims he did not know the 14-year-old. never had contact with her. hopefully, we get more information so that alabama voters can digest this prior to the election in december. >> they don't have much time left to make a decision. >> in light of the allegations, could another republican step forward in a write-in campaign? >> i don't know how a write-in campaign would work. there's a fear that the vote would be split.
some would suggest congressman luther strange. some suggested mo brooks. some said the governor could reschedule the election to a later time, perhaps in 2018, giving the republican party enough time to perhaps get to the bottom of all of this and convince judge moore to step aside, should he need to. >> given what we have already heard in "the post." and from your listeners. do you think roy moore will win? >> that's a good question. there's a chance. certainly. he says he's not stepping down. if they don't postpone this election. we have people voting absentee. the military voting right now. certainly, there's a chance. he stays on the ballot. the write-in could split that vote and lean toward doug jones, a democrat. there's a chance. >> thank you so much for joining us this morning. coming up, the democratic response from party chair tom perez. can his party turn deep red
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let's dive in with "the roundtable." abc news political analyst matthew dowd. alex castellanos. abc news congressional correspondent mary bruce and historian and abc news contributor mark updegrove, author of "the last republicans." inside the extraordinary relationship between george h.w. bush and george w. bush. welcome, everybody. and good morning. and matthew dowd, i'm going to start with you. you said you believe the four women. the four -- who are -- what they're saying about roy moore. moore says in the next few days, there will be revelations about the motivations and the content of "the washington post" report. >> well, to me, i have a position now. the default position of all of us should be that the women who come forward should be believed. because there is nothing to be gained. there is nothing for them to be gained. other than getting beaten up in the press.
i watched your interview with kellyanne. she needs to teach a yoga class in how to contort the positions in all of this. that is a campaign that chanted lock her up throughout the course of the campaign. and were immediately quick to say harvey weinstein needs to be fired. all of the rest of those. so, i think he -- he -- i'm with mitt romney on this. i think he should step down from the ballot of this. but it's -- we're going to have an election. it will be a very competitive election. i think the standard should be, we believe the women in these cases. >> so mark, let me go to you on that. you have seen the reaction from the white house, republicans. it's all very much if, if, if, would democrats have reacted any differently? if it was someone from their party, and it certainly has been in the past. >> well, one of the things kellyanne said was there wasn't much press coverage around president clinton's indiscretions. >> there was quite a bit. >> including the impeachment. so, that rang a little false. i think you asked the right
question, martha, which is, what is it going to take for the republican party to stand up and say, this man is not qualified to be a candidate for our party? >> i didn't get that answer. >> that's a question that needs to be answered. >> and mary, the moore news has a political impact for republicans. not just in 2018. >> it's a huge pressure on republicans to pass tax reform and now. because the moore controversy could put at risk a senate seat. a key seat. if they lose this race, they would have a one-vote majority. republicans now are stuck. they don't have great options here. if moore loses, they lose the key seat. if moore wins, talk about awkward. you now have the majority of his colleagues blasting the allegations. it's unclear how they would work with him, interact with him. he would get a chilly reception if he wins. >> some reports that senate republicans are trying to find a way to block his path to the senate. is there a chance?
is there a real effort going on there? >> there are basically three options, right? push the election to buy themselves more time. back a write-in candidate like the incumbent, luther strange. or refuse to seat moore if he does win. i have reached out to mcconnell's office many times over the last few days. they're not commenting on what the leader is going to do going forward. it exposes the lack of power, shall we say, of the republican establishment here. if they want to go forward and take on roy moore here. you have the establishment going once again up against the steve bannon wing. do they want to do another round here? >> or, they could back the democrat iic candidate, who, fr everybody's reporting, is a guy of integrity. they could put party aside against a pedophile. >> you think there are chances? >> i hope people put country over party. >> alex? >> big luther could resign. they could call for a new election. it's hard for the senate not to seat a democratic choice. they have to play the powell decision rule that out.
sometimes in the chess of politics, you're called upon to make the pawn sacrifice to give up something in the short term to gain something in the longer term. if the republicans want to keep the senate in 2018, they don't want judge roy moore to be the face of this party throughout the coming year in washington. it would be devastating in swing states like missouri. yes, it would have been nice if the media applied the same standard, are these women believable -- in the bill clinton days. those days with gone. sometimes you wait for the jury. sometimes the american people decide they are the skrur jury. that's this case. judge roy moore doesn't need to go to the u.s. senate for ethical and political reasons. >> the alabama gop is backing him. it's amazing to me that they're willing to back a guy accused of pedophilia, they're willing to call immoshl two people of the same sex who fall in love and want to marry. talk about hypocrisy. >> steve bannon backed roy moore.
does that tarnish him? >> you can't fall after the -- fall off the floor. >> the inflated sense of steve bannon out here. he tried to compare it to the "access hollywood" tape donald trump had in this. what he didn't point out was the reporting. i think steve bannon is another sign in the fall of the traditional republican party. >> and mark, you have this new book out. this wonderful new book out about presidents bush 41 and 43. neither of those men voted for donald trump. george w. bush worried he might be the last republican president. the inspiration for the title of your book. how would you characterize the state of the republican party? >> it's -- the party is clearly in a battle for its soul. you have establishment republicans who think one way. and you have another segment of the party that thinks the other way. you can see it in alabama. what is going on there.
is it better to stick by a man accused of pedophilia than vote for a democrat? or get another candidate? this is a very ugly time in the history of the republican party. what -- one of the things george w. bush worried about seven years ago was the drift toward protectionism and isolationism. we're seeing that more today. >> mary, talk about the struggle between republican party right now. the fighting itself. and what they do with that. this obviously doesn't help. >> definitely doesn't help. and you have these huge varying factions within the party. how do you come together and do anything going forward? i know that the hope is if they could get legislative victories, get tax reform done, they can show that they and the president can get some wins. maybe, maybe they can start to get things on track. that's a huge if. >> thank you very much. much more "roundtable" coming up. plus the democratic party chair weighs in on roy moore and the democratic wins in tuesday's election.
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senate race. governor, thanks for joining us today. i want to start with -- with roy moore. in alabama. you have said the actions described make him unfit for office. so you believe those accusers? >> it's just really a matter of with whether he ought to be -- he ought to be the candidate, the standard-bearer for the republican party. i just think he shouldn't be. i hope that the people of alabama, the party officials will look at it again and -- and -- but this is not about obama or left wing. i just don't believe that it is. i'm saddened by it. i mean, i'm the father of two twin daughters. and just think it's inappropriate. i would like it if he stepped aside. >> you also tweeted that the gop must not support him. >> i don't think they should. as mitt romney said, he said, look. we're not talking about a criminal conviction. we're talking about whether
somebody ought to carry the banner of the republican party. >> let's talk about elections. let's talk about tuesday's election. what was the message there? >> it had to do with the tone in my opinion of our country. a lot of people are saying, i don't like the tone. i reject the negativity. you know, we're better than that. and i heard some republicans said, if we would have just killed obamacare, that would have helped. well, i mean, throwing 25 million americans off of health care, who the heck is thinking that that's good? first of all, i don't care if it's good politically, it's wrong. >> do you think it was a rejection of president trump? >> i think it is a rejection at least on tuesday, and across the country, not just virginia and new jersey. it is a rejection of sort of the negative -- see. there's two paths. >> where is the negativity coming from? >> it comes from a lot of places. it comes there a lot of difference places. here's the thing. there's two paths.
do people have trouble? yes. when people have trouble, how do you deal with it? you tell them yeah, it's really horrible, it's this person's fault. or -- you see them. you tell them, there's a problem. you say, together, we can lift you up. i want to help lift them, rather than to say, you know, this immigrant took your job. that's not our country. that's not the best of who we are. >> exactly what you said sounds like you're talking about president trump. >> there's a lot of republicans who feel that same way. i'm not going there. i want to live on the positive side of things and so, if you want to say it's trump. you say it. i don't have to name names. but there are other people that disappoint me in the party. >> let's look ahead to 2018. i was just out in pennsylvania. >> a good time for fortune tellers. >> you have a lot of still strong trump supporters in those rural states. >> yeah, you do. yeah. >> he's shaking things up. that's what we need. >> we're long overdue for a president who wants to stand up for the people in this country. >> i think he's doing real good. i like the idea of having a businessman run the country like a business.
>> when you run for office, this is my opinion, if all you're doing is catering to your base, what about everybody else? there are so many independents and so many gettable democrats who are fed up with the left wing approach of the democratic party. so, to me, the best approach is to, be mindful of your base. but the base -- the people who yell the loudest are not necessarily the majority. >> let's look at the suburban areas, as well. the moderate suburban areas. would you vote for donald trump again? >> no. but i also would hope there would be a better other candidate. >> why wouldn't you vote for trump again? >> a lack of compassion. >> could you vote for him again? >> um -- probably not. it depends on who the other candidate is. >> what does that tell you about republican chances next year? what is happening in those states? >> i think if they pass a good
tax bill, try to solve the daca problem, reinforce our commitment to our allies. i mean, it's not too late to turn this around. if it's we're going to take health care away from people. this is the one thing i don't understand. does obamacare need reformed? of course. but in the meantime, it's destabilized the market. so now we have a plan. we have the alexander-murray plan. it's similar to what the governors, my colleagues and i put together. you know what it does? it reduces the deficit slightly and it takes no one off of health care and it stabilizes the market. and they say it's not a good plan. what is it they want? >> in the virginia gubernatorial race, health care was the number one issue. >> number one issue. right. >> the maine voters approved medicaid expansion. so were they sending a message to republicans? >> yeah, i hope the republicans will hear it. >> not repeal and replace.
not repeal and replace. >> fix it. fix the system. >> i know you want to bring people together. over the issue of guns. we had this horrible mass shooting. yet another mass shooting. president trump said it -- any sort of gun measures wouldn't have helped. do you agree? >> no, no, of course not in vegas with the bump stock. those things ought to be thrown out right away. here's what i'm trying to do. ohio is a place where people want to solve problems. they're willing to listen to one another. i want to get a group of reasonable people, pro gun people. and those who favored limits on gun ownership. i want to put them in a room and see if we can find common ground. everyone, however, respecting the second amendment. we're not interested in having somebody come in whose ideas. we're just going to take everyone's guns away. that won't work. >> this happens after every mass shooting. you talked about the bump stocks. you said you would like to get rid of them. nothing has happened. >> here's the situation as i --
we talk about it. we fight about it. the best way to get, make progress. i can't tell you this effort will be successful. i don't know. here's what i do know. if we can get pro gun and those who want to have limits on some of the things that we see, bump stocks, people carrying arsenals in their cars, whatever it is, that is the best chance to be able to advance something. when there is a consensus. >> we have had the gun control conversation a lot. we have kind of come to a -- an agreement on that. something needs to be done. >> we have a lot of democrats in office. no one has ever come to take guns away. no one has ever said they're coming to take the guns away. nothing's getting a better -- you can't keep doing nothing forever, the current policy that seems to be in place. >> you're right. >> my purpose is to get people who respect the second amendment but can agree there are some limits to it to sit in a room to develop policy i can pass on to the leadership in my legislature. without this process, i'm not
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chair tom perez. good morning, mr. perez. >> good morning. >> great to see you. >> great to be with you. >> it's been 25 years since alabama elected a democrat to the u.s. senate. with these charges whirling around about roy moore, do you think there's a real chance for a democrat to seize that seat? >> i think what we learned last tuesday and what we have learned in the months before last tuesday is that democrats can compete and win everywhere. that's what he showed last week. not just in new jersey and virginia. in mayor's races and state senate races a few months back, we won three seats in oklahoma. doug jones is the underdog. there's no doubt about it. we have increased our investment in state parties by a third. because when we're investing and organizing. investing in good candidates, and we lead are our values, we can compete anywhere. >> what was your takeaway on tuesday? are you reading too much of
this into being a referendum on trump? >> the last time we won there was 2005. in 2006, we took over the u.s. house. what i learned from not just last tuesday, but a number of special elections in the months leading up to last tuesday, when we're united as a party. compete everywhere, lead with our values, organize, organize, organize, everywhere in every zip code, we do very well. and that's what we did in new jersey. that's what we did in virginia. there were 17 seats in virginia that in the house of delegates there that has were held by republicans where hillary clinton won. we were organizing there. we won 14 of the 17. the other three are in a runoff. we can compete everywhere. >> in our latest poll, 61% of americans say democratic leaders are mainly criticizing trump, not presenting alternatives. is the democratic message too much about trump? and not enough about your vision? >> we were leading with values in virginia and elsewhere.
and again, we talked about health care a lot. it's a right for all, not a privilege for a few. and the number one issue for voters in virginia was health care. they understand that the republicans are trying on the take their health care away. >> let's go back to president trump. again. 61% of americans say democratic leaders are mainly criticizing trump. you say that's not true. billionaire tom starr, the single biggest done noer the democratic party in the last two election cycles. put millions behind an ad calling for president trump's impeachment. let's look. >> he's brought us to the brink of nuclear war. obstructed justice at the fbi. and in direct violation of the constitution, he's taken money from foreign governments and threatened to shut down news organizations that report the truth. it's why i'm funding this effort to raise our voices together and demand that elected officials take a stand on impeachment. >> do you support that effort?
>> i've been fighting for organizing -- making sure people have access to good jobs. health care. the culture of corruption around washington, d.c., is very real. not just the russians. >> do you support what he's saying in that ad? would you like him to stop doing that, mr. steier? >> he has the right to do whatever he wants to do. he invested a lot of money. i applaud his efforts in investing in organizing and helping to elect democrats. a number of people are very, myself included, are very, very concern about the culture of corruption that has engulfed washington, d.c. >> so you would like to see impeachment efforts? >> again, i'm not talking about impeachment. i'm talking about good jobs for folks. i'm talking about health care for all. i'm talking about making sure that we're fighting for the issues that matter. >> i'm going to quickly say and corruption charges, the trial of new jersey senator bob menendez. if he's found guilty, do you think he should resign?
okay, back now with "the roundtable." mary, i'm going to start with you. all of you, kind of a lightning round here. tuesday's elections. your take. was it a referendum on donald trump or was it a compelling message from the democrats? >> this was absolutely about donald trump. no mistaking it. especially in virginia. when you look at the breakdown here. 1 in 3 voters came out saying they were casting a ballot to protest the president. the republican, ed gillespie tried to have it both ways. he tried to appeal to the establishment. he tried to embrace trumpism. it backfired. democrats are gleeful and celebrating, looking for the anti-trump wave.
they should be cautiously optimistic. they have to give voters something to vote for. counting on voters coming out to vote against trump may not work everyone. >> pretty much right on the money. donald trump has made the democratic party great again. he's unified it and given it intensity at the poll. much like barack obama did that for the republican party. ed gillespie got out the trump vote. he met the trump targets and exceeded them. it still wasn't enough because he lost women in the suburbs. a huge democratic feminist surge. if we look ahead at 2018, those republican districts that hillary clinton won, 23 of them, the house is in play. >> mark, i want to switch to overseas here and we saw the president on russia, his comments on putin. what do you think about what he is saying about russia? >> it shows how dramatically the republican party has changed. ronald reagan, a republican architect. the icon of the party. his policy toward russia was
trust but verify. donald trump's seems to be trust. listen, putin said they didn't do it, so they didn't do it. trust putin, but not his own intelligence apparatus. we just had veterans day. where we celebrated the sacrifices of our veterans. our intelligence community puts their lives on the line every day. to throw them under the bus and call john brennan, among others, a political hack? it's unacceptable. >> putin's had that effect on a few presidents. >> nothing like that. matt, last word. you have about 20 seconds. what grade do you give the asian trip? >> when i was in the elementary school, we got two grades. on each course. one was a conduct grade. was one academics. i think his conduct grade, d. not helpful at all. in any way in america or across the world. incomplete on the real grade. he hasn't turned in his homework just yet. i was listening to what kellyanne conway said. what metric would you use for grading him? if you use the job approval herk
has the lowest job approval of any president at this point in time. if you used the perception of other countries, he's dropped 50 points. our country has dropped 50 points in confidence in our country since barack obama. thank you all. we talked about north korea. on this veterans day weekend, we wondered what do the men who fought the first korean war think of the prospect of a second? steve ganyard, himself, a veteran, spent veterans day finding out. >> reporter: this old army film tells the story. the korean war, especially in the first frigid months, was brutal. >> the enemy was stronger and better trained than we had heard. some guys thought we would have it easy. didn't work out that way. >> reporter: some may have forgotten just how hard. the men who fought have not. >> we were pretty well armed with hand me down world war ii equipment, both weaponry and uniforms. and the weather was terrible. everybody spent a lot of time trying to find automatic
weapons. because they felt they were tremendously outnumbered. >> reporter: this retired four-star general, now 91, was a young lieutenant straight out of west point. that's warner in a bunker. the blinding light behind him, a north korean shell exploding. >> if we were not fighting for fire power, we were fighting for rations. because we were always short of rations. it was a terrible way to fight a war. >> reporter: a war still vivid for korean war veterans who came to washington from all over the country this veterans day weekend. now in their 80s and 90s, the possibility that another generation of young americans may be called to fight in korea is chilling. >> it's unbelievable to think about it. >> but to do it with military force? use american men again? >> no, no way. no. never. >> reporter: the korean war claimed nearly 34,000 american lives. over 200,000 south koreans.
1 million north korean and chinese soldiers. and 1.5 million civilians. today, we have stealth bombers. ships. a u.s. army trained to unprecedented levels. there are still 7,000 artillery tubes and that massive enemy force to the north. while veterans have no doubt the u.s. would prevail in the end, the losses could still be catastrophic. >> 34,000 names on the wall is a high price to pay. when i see walls now with names on it, i have to think about, could there be a better solution? >> our thanks to steve. and thanks for sharing part of your sunday with us. check out "world news" tonight. have a great day.
accused of obstructing justice to theat the fbinuclear war, and of violating the constitution by taking money from foreign governments and threatening to shut down news organizations that report the truth. if that isn't a case for impeaching and removing a dangerous president, then what has our government become? i'm tom steyer, and like you, i'm a citizen who knows it's up to us to do something. it's why i'm funding this effort to raise our voices together and demand that elected officials take a stand on impeachment. a republican congress once impeached a president for far less. yet today people in congress and his own administration know