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. download doordash. first order, $1 delivery fee. >> announcer: "this week" with george stephanopoulos starts right now. >> i have been mostly accused of making false statements. >> roger stone arrested, charged with obstruction, witness statements, false claims to congress. >> i will plead not guilty to these charges. i will defeat them in court. >> steadfast for the president. >> i will not testify against the president. >> facing years in prison, might he cooperate with robert mueller? if he goes to trial, what will we learn about his contacts with the trump campaign about wikileaks? is stone willing to go to prison to protect donald trump? joan joins stone joins us in a sunday exclusive. congressman adam schiff responds
live. and -- >> we have reached a deal. >> the president agrees to open the government without funding for the wall. >> have i not been clear on a wall? i have been very clear on the wall. >> defiant in retreat. >> we're going to work with the democrats and if we can't do that, obviously we're going to do the emergency. cong back from a 35-day stalemate to historic lows. what does it say about where power stands in this new washington? the latest insight and analysis from our round table. plus chris christie on donald trump and his brand-new book "let me finish." a "this week" exclusive. we'll break down the politics. the facts that matter this week. good morning and welcome to mus have felt like for president trump. you wake up to the news that your longest serving political adviser has been indicted by robert mueller. by mid morning, air traffic up
and down the east coast is grinding to a halt from the government shutdown. then come new polls showing your approval rating at record lows and republican senators are telling you they are going to jump ship if you don't end the shutdown. add it all up and trump really had no choice. he had to do what he promised he would never do, back down at least for now on that border wall. we'll analyze all the fallout on our round table, but we begin with that blockbuster indictment of roger stone. the political showman dark arts operative first introduced to donald trump decades ago by the infamous roy cohn became the sixth trump associate charge bid mueller in the investigation. roger stone, michael plan, paul manafort, rick gates, george papadopoulos and long-time personal lawyer, michael cohen. all six cited for lying under oath in the russia investigation. a stunning pattern of deception, and that's not all. mueller has also uncovered a
wealth of contacts between russians and trump associates during the campaign and transition. look at this headline from "the new york times" detailing more than 100 contacts despite repeated and adamant denials from trump's team of any contacts at all, but here's what mueller has not revealed, any direct charge that president trump or anyone on his team conspired with russians to interfere in our elections. hence the president's mantra, no collusion. the big question now, is that how mueller's investigation will end? with overwhelming evidence that trump's team tried to cover up contacts with russia, but no prosecutions for conspireing with russia. is this the end of the beginning for mueller or the beginning of the end? what happens with roger stone, a big piece of that puzzle, he starts us off this morning. thank you for joining us this morning. we appreciate you being here, but i have to say and you know this is appreciate unusual strategy. most people indicted go underground until the official proceedings.
what do you hope to gain with interviews like this? >> well, i must tell you, george. i think the way i was treated on thursday is extraordinary. i think the american people need to hear about it. i'm 66 years old. i don't own a firearm. i have no prior criminal record. my passport has expired. the special counsel's office is well aware of the fact that i'm represented. the idea that a 29-member s.w.a.t. team in full tactical gear with assault weapons would surround my house, 17 vehicles in my front yard, including two armored vehicles, a helicopter overhead. amphibious vehicles in the back where my house backs onto a canal and i would open the door looking down the barrel of assault weapons, that i would be frog marched out front barefoot. >> it's pretty standard for that to happen. they work in -- >> no, it's not.
not standard at all. >> they were concerned you were a flight risk and you might tamper with evidence. they were concerned you might destroy evidence and they did that. even by your own testimony, by your own admission, you said that the fbi agents were courteo courteous. let's get on -- >> let's address that. i was released i was on my own signature which means i was not a flight risk and i have been under investigation for two years. i did not destroy anything. they could have called my lawyers and i would have turned myself in. it was an expensive shell of force to try to depict me as public enny number one, the og to poison the jerry pool. these are gestapo tactics. >> let's get to what's most important in the indictment on page four. mueller and his team write, after the july 22, 2016 release of stolen dnc e-mails, that's wikileaks, a trump campaign
official was directed to contact stone about any releases and what damaging information they would have regarding the clinton campaign. they told trump about future releases of material one, and in order to obtain additional e-mails damaging to the clinton campaign. you said you believe that that senior official is rick gates, the deputy campaign chair? >> yes. that's who i believe is seeking a reduction in his sentence. later on there is a reference to an exchange between steve bannon in which he asks me about a public event, julian assange's press event on october 7th and i respond with public information. one, that there are security concerns by assange in the embassy in eck what dor and as politico reported there would be weekly dumps of information every week for ten wooeeeks wit
all u.s. information released in the weeks before the information. none of that proprietary or secret. >> rick gates did contact you about getting information? >> that is speculation on my part. i have no e-mails or text messages -- >> you spoke with him? >> i never spoke about this matter with rick gates, but i'm mindful of the special counsel's ability to reduce people to say things that are not true, particularly people who are seeking a reduction in their sentence or people who have an ax to grind. i urged to fire steve bannon and therefore had a major impact. i suspect that i'm not his favorite person, but notice i am not charged with conspiracy or with having advanced knowledge of the contact. >> i said that. do you know who directed rick gates to contact you? >> i don't know that anybody did. i guess we'll find out at trial, but to have -- to have wolf blitzer on cnn or preet bahar
ra, a man accused of willfully leaking a grand jury testimony to the media, speculate that that was donald trump, that is baseless, irresponsible speculation. >> let me -- >> i never discussed this matter with candidate trump or president trump as i told you previously. >> you said that to me. >> that remains the case. >> you said that to me in the past, but you never discussed wikileaks or julian assange with president trump, but did you have conversations during the campaign or since the campaign about russia or the mueller investigation? >> none, whatsoever. zero. categorically. zero. >> the president seemed to be distancing himself from you in a tweet last night. he wrote, roger stone didn't even work for me anywhere near the election. does that concern you? >> no. not really. when sarah sanders says it has nothing to do with the president, she is correct. i never discussed these matters with the president, and everything that i did regarding trying to get as much public attention to the wikileaks
disclosures among voters, among the media is constitutionally protected free speech. that's what i engaged in. it's called politics. it's not criminal, at least not yet. >> you said it's free speech, but we know that russia was behind that hack of the dnc e-mails. >> no. no. we have an allegation that is yet unproved in any u.s. court of law. it is an allegation. these are the same people -- >> excuse me. the unanimous conclusion of u.s. intelligence agencies, so given that, do you regret the role you played? >> they are politicized as we know. they told us saddam hussein had weapons of mass destruction. >> you don't regret your role in disseminating those e-mails is. >> i didn't disseminate e-mail. >> cheering them on? >> i think that they were devastating and the entire question of where they came from and how they were published is meant to distract from the content of those e-mails which
demonstrated the drurks and dirty tricks of the campaign. >> they say what was important here is that russia was interfering in our election and by helping that cause, aren't you aiding and abetting an adversary of the united states? >> i challenge that characterization. it has been proven it is a claim. i tried to do the same thing that daniel elseburg did in which "the washington post" called him a hero. i haven't received any stolen or hacked material. i took public information and tried to hype it to get as much attention as possible because hi a tip the information was politically significant and it would come in october. >> on friday, you were arrested but mueller's team also and the fbi executed search warrants of your home in florida and new york city as well. do you have any idea what they were after and are you worried about what they will find? >> no. not in the slightest. i am concerned they took a number of privileged communications between me and my
attorneys, but in all honesty, i have been under surveillance for two years. my e-mail, my text messages, my phone calls have been fully reviewed. we know that because they have asked people who are associated with me about specific items before the grand jury. "the new york times" reported on january 20, 2017 that i was among three trump aides under surveillance in 2016 to help to learn more about that in discovering "the times" will not retract that story. i stand by it and i believe it to be true. there is nothing to find. i have a million e-mails. they have been reported. many of them taken out of context in this indictment, but there is nothing to find. again, i think it is -- it is designed to intimidate me or perhaps seek personal information that can be used to embarrass me that has nothing to do with wikileaks, russia, the 2016 campaign or anything else. >> have you destroyed or discarded any communications devices, wiped any hard drives
clean since the campaign? >> categorically not. my lawyers have been insistent on this. we very early had a request from both the senate and the house. we have destroyed nothing whatsoever. >> you say you won't bear false witness against president trump. are you prepared to tell the truth about your dealings with him to the special counsel, your truth about the dealings with the campaign? any chance you will cooperate with special counsel robert mueller if he asks? >> that's a question i would have to -- i would have to determine after my attorneys have some discussion. if there is wrongdoing by other people in the campaign which i know about -- which i know of none, i would certainly testify honestly. i would also testify honestly about any other matter including any communications with the president. it's true that we spoke on the phone, but those communications are political in nature. they are benign and there is no conspiracy with ght offer you a pardon? >> absolutely, positively not.
i have never discussed a pardon. the only person i advocated a pardon for as we discussed previously, is marcus garvey and i have written the president as to why i think that might be done. >> some say this is a slam-dunk case, including chris christie who is coming up later. you denied having any documents or text messages discussing wikileaks or assange, but the prosecutors in the indictment lay out several e-mails, dozens of text messages. >> you know, they're right. i did forget on some occasions that i had text messages and e-mails that are entirely exculpatory and -- >> let me stop you there. you say you forgot. on the day you -- you had 30 exchanges. 30 text exchanges on the day you said you didn't remember it. >> a man who threatened to put a bullet in the head of one of mueller's witnesses before the grand jury, but is not charged with witness tampering or
intimidation. a man who lied to the grand jury about being my source regarding the source in the wikileaks disclosures. he threatened me in writing. >> how can you do with him? the text messages are the text messages. they are documents. >> i will prove in court that any failure memory on my part was without intent and will be ill material. i did make some errors, but they are errors that would be inkwons kwenshal in this investigation. >> i want to share exchanges you had. this was from the indictment. on multiple occasions on december 1, 2017. stone told person that for hp sci in order to avoid contradicting the testimony. he informed "the godfather part 2," before the congressional
kmee committee, and he claims not to know that you know. you were telling him not to tell the truth. >> he is an impressionist. he does humphrey bogaerts, and the exchange we talked about is roger stone this. roger stone that. roger stone was in the olive oil business with my father, but that was a long time ago. it is -- it has to be seen in context. it is a humorous exchange. so they are taking things out of context to present them in a light that it mischaracterized their significance. i never told him to lie. i did at one point when he said, my liberal friends will be very upset. my progressive friends would be upset if they think i was helping you. it was in that context the fifth amendment was discussed. >> you're in shape, but you're not a young man. are you prepared to spend the last, best years of your life in
jail? >> i expect to be acquitted and vindicated and that my attorneys including bruce rogow, one of the best in the country, believe this indictment is thin. so i'm prepared to fight for my life. i have to go to the public to ask for their support. >> roger stone, thanks for joining us this morning. >> thank you. we are now joined by adam schiff. congressman, thank you for joining us this morning. you just heard roger stone right there. i won't repeat what he said. i guess i'll repeat it. thin as piss on a rock. your response? >> look. he's presumed innocent, but these are very specific allegations of lies and witness intimidation. they are matters that will be easily provable. these are not ambiguous statements. they are very detailed and i think he's going to need a much better defense than the one you just heard, but look. i prosecuted a number of white
collar cases when i was assistant u.s. attorney. white collar defendants always make some variation of the same argument and that is, i have a perfectly innocent explanation for this fact and i can come up with one and like wise, but don't look at their totality, but when you look at the totality, what's going on here and few look at the chronology, we know that the russians told the trump campaign as early as april of 2016 that they had the stolen e-mails. we know that they offered dirt to the president's son, don junior and he said he would love to have the russian government help with that, and then we know that some person directed a senior campaign official to reach out to roger stone to find out what wikileaks had gotten from the russians and then of course, you have the president publicly calling for the russians to help with those stolen e-mails and all of this taking place while donald trump is pursuing what would probably
be the most lucrative deal of his entire life and one that requires kremlin approval, this moscow trump tower, and then of course, all of the above lying about all of the above. 100 contacts, but probably a thousand lies and it's that bigger, broader picture. >> you laid out the broader picture, but as we said so far, robert mueller -- he has not charged anyone with directly conspireing with the russians. based on everything you have laid out, that charge still isn't there, is it? >> well, you know, bob mueller has the advantage of a lot of evidence that we don't. we were really circumscribed what we could look at, for example, we wanted to try to compel some of the witness that is mr. stone alluded to to come in and testify. we wanted to test what don junior and others were telling us. we wanted to get phone records. we couldn't do that, but bob mueller has been able to do that, and i would expect, george, that if there is a conspiracy to defraud the united states, a collusion indictment, it would be the last indictment that bob mueller would seek, not
the first. so we'll have to wait to see what evidence he produces, but you certainly have to ask the question over and over again, if there were innocent explanations for all of this, why all the lies? why uall the repeated efforts t get russian help and of course, you have this symmetry of interest here where donald trump wants help from the russians with his campaign. he wants help from the russians to build this lucrative moscow tower and the russians want help from donald trump. they want sanctions relief and all of this is going on at the same time. >> your colleague on the committee told cnn she believes that don junior -- donald trump jr. lied to your committee on at least two occasions. do you agree? >> well, i would like the special counsel to have access to don junior's testimony and determine whether it is evidence of false statements. i think and i greatly appreciate the seriousness with which the
special counsel takes lying to congress. so i'll let bob mueller be the judge of that, but one of the first acts, if not, the first act of our committee will be to send all of these transcripts of all the witnesses to bob mueller so he can consider whether additional perjury charges are warranted. >> are you confident bob mueller has not yet seen any of those transcri transcrip transcripts? >> no. i believe he has had access to the transcripts, but not for use in a perjury prosecution. that's what we want to make sure, that the special counsel has access to these transcripts and with use them for whatever including perjury or witness intimidation or obstruction of justice. >> you mentioned conspiracy to defraud the united states would be the last indictment robert mueller would issue. there has been some speculation that roger stone may have been the last indictment for robert mueller. he doesn't have enough evidence to charge anybody in trump's orbit with conspireing with russia. there was a lot of lying, but no
direct conspiracy. what is the appropriate next step? should he just tell the attorney general no more criminal -- we have concluded there is nothing else we can prosecute. that's it? end of story? or does the public need to know more? >> it's clear that mueller's work is not yet done and we can see clues of that in the grand jury activity, in the fact that with the supreme court case of this mystery estate owned firm reaching resolution that there are additional documents that bob mueller wants to get. there is more work he has to do, but when he is finished, finished returning or seeking indictments, then he makes -- i hope an extensive report to the attorney general, and that report is going to have to be made public and i think there is significant agreement among democrats and republicans, even if there is among nominee for attorney general that that is too big to be buried and we're going to use every device and
compulsion we can to make sure that it's made public. i have to tell you, george, over the last two years as the justice department has been providing thousands and thousands of documents, tens of thousands of documents in the clinton e-mail investigation to the congress, acting on a subpoena or many subpoenas, i have made it clear to them that they are not going to be in a position once the mueller investigation is concluded to say, no, congress, we're not going to share with you any of the evidence that's produced. >> let me press you on that point though, because when james comey came forward after declining to prosecute hillary clinton, democrats and others were quite critical of him for having that press conference for laying out his reasoning in public. why shouldn't that same standard apply to robert mueller? >> you know, this is the point that i was raising in the justice department which is when the justice department started sending fbi interview reports or 302s and then started to send text messages and other documents to the congress by the thousands, that was in
contradiction of the department of justice policy, and i warned them as they were doing it that they were violating their own policy, but they were setting a precedent they were going to have to live by. it simply wouldn't be acceptable for the country they would provide discovery in one investigation, but not the other. that's the position they put themselves in. at the end of the day, the most important discovery is that report, but given that it's not guaranteed and that it may be that they fight the release of that, we have to continue our own investigations in congress because one way or another, we are determined the public is going to know exactly what donald trump did, what his family did, what his campaign did, what the russians did and what we need to do to protect the country. >> final question. the president is insisting after this three-week period the government is reopened, he is going to demand the wall again and declare an emergency. are you ready to support any wall funding as a compromise? >> i don't support any wall funding. i do support border security,
and the important thing to remember here is democrats and republicans -- we have multiple times agreed on support that would send out the funding for border security. we sent multiple bills, you know, through each chamber with bipartisan support. the only thing that got in the way was the president was frightened off by ann coulter and rush limbaugh and while well negotiate amongst each other, we're not ready to negotiate with these conservative pundits and that has been the problem. i'm confident and hopeful we won't see shutdowns again and i think one of our top prioritys is passing a bill to make that kind of shutdown impossible in the future. >> adam schiff, thank you for your time this morning. >> thank you. up next, chris christie. he was friends with donald trump before he ran against him in 2016 and then ran the transition before he was fired after the election. his new book "let me finish," filled with reeling insights about donald trump and we'll talk about how it all connects to the shutdown, defeat and the
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chris christie joins us now. i want to talk about a lot of items in the book but let's begin. we just heard from roger stone. >> every white collar defend in this circumstance with documents of their own making try to say that they're out of context. if i had a nickel for every time i had a defend tell me it was out of context, i'd be a rich guy, and i'm not. the fact is he's got a problem because they've got all these e-mails and text messages that he created that tell a pretty clear story. >> so he says he hasn't discussed a pardon with trump. duds does he need one? >> if he decides to go to trial,
he's in grave danger. everyone is presumed innocent, george, and so is he but i think it's a pretty damning indictment. >> is it viable for president trump to pardon roger stone? >> i don't think so. i don't think pardons in this instance are viable politically. legally i think he's absolutely -- i think politically the president -- and it's one of the things in the book. the president understands the limits of politics. he's understanding it even more and i think he knows that those kind of pardons would not be politically viable. >> one thing that comes through in the book, we put up at the top of the program six of the president's closest associates have been charged now, cited for false statements. one of the things you write in the book is the president surrounds himself with riffraff, a revolving door of amateurs, weaklings, convicted and unconvicted felons.
who are you referring to? >> in the book a go through a number of folks that didn't belong there. when you have a white house where omarosa man gault is in the white house, that's not who you want to surround the president with. the core of the book talks about the idea that this president was so ill served by the decisions made by steve bannon, jared kushner and rick deerborn -- >> you say clearly jared kushner fired you. >> that's what i was told by steve bannon. steve bannon physically fired me. when we had the conversation of where is this coming from because it came out of the blue two days after the election, steve said, as he put it, quote unquote, the kid. >> you were also about the intelligence briefing back in august 2015. you and mike flynn, the
president's first intelligence briefing. you called flynn a russian lackey, said he was off the rails. isn't it fair to conclude, for anyone to conclude, from that briefing on the president did know that russia was trying to interfere in our elections. >> listen, i can't talk about the specifics of what went on, george, as you know in that briefing but the import of the briefing was that the then candidate, now president, came out of that with some concerns about mike flynn because his conduct in that meeting was completely outrageous for a staff person. he was uprating the folks briefing us. he was demeaning them, interrupting them. i felt like as a staff person for the candidate, you were there to take notes, listen and talk to him about it afterwards, what we thought was important and what he needed to know. llotal about the substance of those briefings. they're secure. what i can say is that i talked to the president then after that
meeting and said, listen, this guy flynn just does not belong close to you. he's a problem. it culminates with the last conversation we had about flynn right after the election where i said to the president, i don't think you should make him security adviser. the president said you just don't like him. i said you're right, i don't like him, you want to know why? the president said yes. i said he's going to get you in trouble. >> you're candidate about the president's gifts and flaws and i want to show a snippet. this is about you. >> so chris, who's a friend of mine, he hit me hard. i said i got to hit him at least once. but look, here's the story. the george washington bridge, he knew about it. he knew about it, totally knew about it. >> you write in the book that was totally invented, that sound bite, and you say the president knowingly lied. if he knowingly lied about you,
a friend, why should the country take his word? >> listen, george, you've been involved in political campaigns before and you will not be stunned to know that there are times where candidates lose control, get angry and say things that are not true. this is not breaking new ground for donald trump. >> isn't there a pattern there? >> wait, you're asking about this instance. let me be clear about this instance. i had just gotten endorsed by the manchester union leader and mr. trump was very upset about that. he wanted that endorsement, tried hard to get it. i got it. it was literally right after that that he did it. right after that speech, the next decay corey lewandowski called my campaign manager and said he doesn't want to do that anymore, he knows he was out of bounds and he's not going to do it again. i tell that story to let people know there are times when the president knows he made a mistake and he's willing to back off. >> you also know it's not an isolated incident. we put up six people surrounding
him who have been charged with false statements. the washington documented some 8,000 false statements. but let's say it's half that, 4,000 as president. isn't that a crippling quality for the president of the united states? >> i think that the president is -- and i've said this on your show a number of times as a member of the panel thaz we ht e here. the president is a salesman and he uses at times rhetoric that is overblown but that's the way he's always been. when it gets down to making decisions, i've always had a pretty good deal of confidence in this president's ability to do that and be objective about it. but what i outline in the book is garbage in, garbage out. the problem for the president, the people that he had around him in the beginning were not suited to be there. like the executive orders in the beginning with steve bannon not vetted by don mcgahn and the people in the white house counsel's office.
when you have people who think they can be rogue actors like that, that got him off to a really bad start in that regard and it drove me crazy because i knew we had a plan for him that would have gotten him off to a good start with good people. >> you say a lot of positive things about the president in there. you talk about some of his defects as well. you say he acts and speaks on impulse, doesn't always grasp the inner workings of government and he trusts people he shouldn't. you just addressed that point. is that acting on impulse and how does he fix it now? >> i believe it is. i believe that he nor the people around him developed an end game to that. if you're going to close the government, you got to have an end game how to get out. as far as i can tell there was no plan on how to do that. that's an impulsive decision on his part but also on the people around him and how does he get out now?
he hits the reset button. he's the president of the united states. you have three weeks to hit the reset button, come up with a plan for the country and for you politically. i can tell you everybody counts donald trump out and has always been wrong. he has a great ability to be able to recover from things because he's strong. and i say in the book, he's fearless. i mean, he's fearless in a way i've seen few people in politics be fearless. those are all good points but when you act on impulse, as i think what happened with the shutdown, it doesn't end well. >> thanks for joining us. the book is called "let me finish." the roundtable is up next. we'll be right back. one-millionth order. millionth order. ♪ there goes our first big order. ♪ 44, 45, 46... how many of these did they order? ooh, that's hot.
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focused on the job he is trying to do for the american people which means he has been working all weekend trying to figure out a path forward. he has said, i'm hitting the reset button. i have three weeks to try to work with the democrats in the house and in the senate to try to find a deal. he is going to stand tall for the border security issues, the wall being one of them in predominant, but he is going to get that, and if he doesn't get that by the 15th, they're either going to have to -- >> he can't do that again. >> in the next three weeks, i think the situation is going to change a little bit. i hope we have a better communications operation than we have had for the president. we need to do a better job for him. >> david, with all due respect, the president has made the wall the be all the cure all of his presidency and it's not going to happen by threatening to shut the government down again and using federal workers as leverage. i think the president should learn, george, from his tactics over the last couple of weeks. he didn't succeed in large part, not just because of the democrats. the american people were against
this. >> yeah. >> shutting down of the government. >> the president made multiple offers, multiple concessions to the democrats and the speaker said zero dollars. wouldn't even come to the table to have a conversation. the american people see that. >> no. the american people -- >> one guy is trying to make a deal and the other is not. >> the republicans controlled the entire congress and now the president must at least negotiate with half the congress which is democrat. >> it doesn't allow the republican senators are going to allow him to do that. >> it tested the loyalty of republicans with president trump which i found interesting, and he has managed to alienate his base and anger moderates which is a feat to do. i was curious about chris christie saying what is the end goal here. the american public aren't stupid. when they see the coast guard and tsa agents aren't getting paid. these are real life ramifications that americans can understand. everyday workers understand and no one is going to be out of work for it. it wasn't popular when ted cruz
did it. it's not popular when donald trump does it. we have to come to work and do our job. it should be no different for our government. >> nancy pelosi, the house speaker takes her constitutional role seriously and knows how to hold her team together. >> he has met his match, hasn't he? it was striking to see it. he was expecting that she would not be able to hold the democrats together, that she somehow would fold up and she wasn't going to. she had the right line which is that whatever you're going to offer, don't hold the government hostage in the meantime. if he is going to work for the american people, he has to listen to more of them. it seems he is governing from the assumption that the people at his rallies and anchors on fox news represent the majority of opinion in america and they are wrong. >> to get re-elected, doesn't the president have to expand his base rather than just retreat to it? >> it's about addition rather than subtraction and that's what this president is trying to do. >> where is the evidence of that? >> look at the economy. you look at rising wages. you look at the unemployment numbers, george. he has helped every american in
this economy. >> david -- >> i think we just lost $6 billion. we lost $6 billion. this shutdown cost the american economy $6 billion. >> i was one of the people saying that nancy pelosi was not the right speaker going forward, that they need a leadership change. i'm here saying i was wrong. i underestimated how powerful and how strong she is. she seems to be the one person who can call -- >> she's far left. >> she can call him on his bluff which democrats have done so far. >> that's important for democrats going forward end of the three weeks. we heard adam schiff saying he is not for the wall, but do they feel the need to make some sort of compromise? >> well, the the deal has always been there, and in some ways it's semantics as the republicans have pointed out. the democrats have voted for 650 miles of wall. he wants 1,900. there's the deal right there, and i think what's frustrating for americans across the board is just get it done. >> get it done. >> which the democrats backed in years past.
look. again, the democrats have offered more than enough compromises. the president needs to understand he cannot -- >> there were no compromises. zero. >> you cannot force the democrats to pay for the wall he promised mexico would pay for. >> the watch word should be compromise. the president wanted $25 billion. he is down to $5.7 billion. he has said he would talk about the extension for daca kids. he has put proposal after proposal. the democrats have said, zero, zero, zero. look. they are going to be held responsible for the next -- the next kate steinly. there are going to be those and the mainstream media must cover them and say president trump was for the wall and the democrats were against it. >> he said mexico would pay for it and they will remember that too. >> what chris christie has said, a lot of things were said during the campaign. that's what campaigns are about. >> he said it 212 times during the campaign. that was the signature promise of his campaign. >> it was said there was russian
collusion. >> there was russian involvement in our election. >> and barack obama knew -- >> democrats do go light on immigration and start saying things and their message going forward is we're going to ban i.c.e. and they're the devil, the democrats will have a messaging problem, but i will say if we live and die by the wall and ann coulter's tweets, we are destined for failure going into 2020. >> and we're not. >> who we hold hostage, he wants a trade deal. he has to learn how to work with democrats, period. >> donna -- >> i want to move onto another subject. terry, ltet's talk about how ths indictment fit sboos all this. you heard roger stone say he is going to be able to beat these charges and you heard adam schiff try to tie together everything robert mueller has done so far. you heard at top, so far, no indictment for direct conspiracy with the russians. >> so far it's smoke, smoke,
smoke, smoke, no fire. >> and a lot of coverup. >> that's the interesting thing. these are people, close associates from the president from different backgrounds. >> come on. >> i don't know. michael cohen, paul manafort was the campaign chairman. from different backgrounds, who all lied, have been indicted or pled guilty or convicted of lying about russia. in addition to the thousands of contacts between the trump campaign and russia, that's the sticking point when they talk to investigators. they lie about it according to prosecutors. >> you meant -- hold on, george. when your campaign chairman is feeding information to the russian kremlin, the military unit responsible for attacking our country, attacking the democratic party, using stolen, hacked e-mails which is a crime, you're stealing someone's property and you're spraying that propaganda, come on, man. you all need to condemn it. >> i have been. >> thank you. >> no one in america, republican or democrat wants russian
collusion. if there was russian influence in our election, which there seems to have been an effort no question about it. >> you except the collusion? >> it's not hillary clinton and president who should have had a handle on our national security and on our elections. >> he tried. >> let's be honest about it. >> the president tried to get especially mitch mcconnell to work with him. i know a lot more than i can say on national tv, but we were all kused of lying and now when you read this indictment, it reads like a time line of the democratic party. >> it happened after. >> no. >> what you are saying is true is there was this dismissal of the importance of russia when president obama was debating mitt romney. he said he was caught saying he'll have more flexibility after the election. >> that was in 2012. >> yes, but the democratic party started getting interested in vladimir putin and his dploebl
expansion after the election. >> seriously? >> yes. i don't think that they took vladimir putin's power as seriously -- >> i'm sure barack obama would disagree with you on that. >> when he was caught on a live mic saying we'll have, quote, flexibility after the election. that's not the point. the point is when in regards to wikileaks, it's aiding and abetting an adversary and if someone came to me on a campaign saying wikileaks wants to have communication, i would have gone to the fbi. >> why is it so hard for the president to just condemn it? when he was starting his presidency, he would be in a different place today. >> correct. >> i don't know. look. you have -- you have a fake dossier that was paid for by the dnc and hillary clinton that was foisted onto the american people and now the mainstream media narrative is there are no facts of collusion whatsoever, and you have people being treated -- roger stone is one -- where you have -- you talked about it. the early morning raid of his
apartment of his house. 66 years old, doesn't own a weapon. he gets treated one way. peter strzok, lisa page, mcca mccabe -- >> not one of them charged with lying to congress. it's a completely different things. hey are under investigation for lying to congress. that's what this is about. >> there is a lot of smoke. you're right, and but i still believe at the end of the day, all of these dots will be connected. i happen to believe that. >> there is a couple of ways to connect them. one, that the president is enraged because he wants to be president of the united states and pursue his agenda and this has been an attack and he is handling it in an awkward manner, and two, he is hiding something, and now some of it has come out. we now know through 2016 he is trying to make a deal for trump tower in moscow. >> 37 indictments. 37 indictments. >> why did he lie? >> he didn't lie.
>> he didn't do it during the campaign. there was an ongoing conversation from years earlier. from -- >> he admits he was going until june of 2016. rudy giuliani said it could have been as late as november. >> he had every opportunity to disavow putin and then he goes to helsinki and has a bromance with him. when you have a question, it's because the administration does nothing to deny it. just say, vladimir putin is an awful man. >> we're playing a dangerous game in the sense that we are pushing politicallynemy. we need to attack russia whether it's verbally or militarily here. we are getting close -- look. you see -- >> vladimir putin aided and abett abett abetted assad. >> pompeo. >> we see that. he has to be strong for the american people first and stand up to an adversary who attacked
us and discredited one of the defenses of the united states. it's the mueller probe. find out what happened and who, if anyone in the united states, helped the adversaries. >> they have come up with nothing. >> 37 indictments? that is the last word for today. we'll be right back. your favorite restaurants now it doesn't matter dash. where you are. ♪ it doesn't matter what you're hungry for.
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