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tv   Full Measure With Sharyl Attkisson  CBS  January 17, 2016 10:30pm-11:00pm CST

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3 it's sunday funday according to our camera mans shirt. nfl playoffs have not been boring that is for sure. the panthers seahawks game was no exceptions. the panthers definitely came back with some revenge after seattle knocked them out of the playoffs last year. 3 in fact they were'nt allowing them to score the entire first half and this last touchdown by cam newton and greg olsen allowed them to extend their lead 31 to nothing. then heading to the 4th quarter. russell wilson scrambling, he throws to the endzone over the leaping josh norman and finds jermaine kearse for the touchdown its now 31 to 21 and we might just see a comeback from the seahawks but here... kearse just missed the pass in the endzone from wilson.. so they go for the field goal attempt from steven hauschka.. and its good! its nowjust one touch down away from a tie game. they try the on side
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recovers it allowing the panthers to hold off the seahawks to advance to the nfc championship against the cardinals after this 31 24 win. 3 now peyton manning and the broncos take on the pittsburgh steelers with ben rothesburger in even though he has a shoulder injury... the broncos were tailing in n the end of the d... peytons pass is incomplete so they go for the field goal brandon mcmanus goes for it... and its good.. broncos now only trailing by one... threee minutes to go in the game still 13 to 12... cj anderson fights the pack for the touchdown... broncos take the lead 18 to 13.and they go for the two-point conversion ...peyton manning dumps the ball off to demaryius thomas who takes it in.... broncs win 20 to 13... they will host last years super bowl champions next week in the next round of playoffs.
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for some college basketball as michigan takes on iowa going to the second half... peter joc with the ball here... turns around for the shot...and its good... iowa now leads 47 to 43. now michigan with the ball... zak irvin witht he jumper and a foul... michigan leading arter the three point play.. 48-47 now... peter jok overhead pass to anthony clemmons who buries the 3 pointer...60-52 iowa iowa keeps a strong lead for the rest of the game winning... 82-71, 3 3
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sharyl: hello, i'm sharyl attkisson. welcome to "full measure." we begin today with the epic controversy over guantanamo bay -- gitmo, for short. it's the u.s. military base on the southeastern tip of cuba. the base has many purposes since it was established over a century ago. mostly, itit now known for the military prison holding enemy combatants since the war on terror began in 2001. the promise to close gitmo has been the alpha and omega of ththe obama administration. president obama declared his intention in his first address to the nation as commander-in-chief and in his last. the question is -- can he? pres. obama: i will keep working
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guanta. namo. it is expensive, it is unnecessary, and it only serves as a recruitment brochure for our enemies. sen. graham:here will be a bipartisan backlash, a constitutional crisis, if he tries to do this. sharyl: republican senator lindsey graham is a chief critic of efforts to cle guantanamo sen. graham: his campaign promise will not be fulfilled. the problem with president obama, he doesn't understand that his campaign promises have to yield to reality. sharyl: are you saying it won't be closed down? sen. graham: no. sharyl: how can it be stopped? senator graham: congress won't let it. sharyl: the debate has gone on since almost the start. the gitmo prison was opened during the george w. bush administration after the september 11 terrorist attacks on the u.s. >> two planes apparently crashed into each tower. sharyl: the first 20 detainees arrived just four months after 9/11. nearly 800 suspected islamic extremist enemy combatants have spent time there. 9 have died, 678 have been released or transferred, most of
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returned to the battlefield. carol rosenberg is the military affairs correspondent for the "miami herald" who's covered gitmo since the first detainees arrived. carol: nobody knew anything about them. attitudes were really, really raw. remember, this was jan. 11 following the september 11th attacks. we were told that these were the worst of the worst. and i think there was a lot of fear, certainly by the troops and other people there, about who would come off that airplane. sharyl: back in 2002, the u.s. military allowed rosenbe and a observe as the detainees were taken to camp x-ray at guantanamo bay. that early meshift prison is the image many remember -- and the prisoners processed while on their kneeees, shackled and blindfolded. carol: reporting in the beginnnng was extremely organic. the military welcomed suggestions, and we could go to them and say we want to see them
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in the morning. sharyl: that was then. now, the days of openness at gitmo are over. carol: access isisxtremely limited. we are no longer allowed to see the detainees. now they've locked them away into bldings and i haven't seen inside the detention center since i was there for ramadan this summer and the last reporters allowed in the detention center was in october. sharyl: a string o oevents led to secrecy and controversy. there were allegatio of torture and abuse at guantanamo under the bush administration. carol: we're talking about the abuse by association at abu ghraib that was described as gitmotizing. sharyl: president obama made closing gitmo his first promise as chief executive. pres. obama: in this first executive order we are signing, guantanamo will be closed no later than one year by now. sharyl: congress responded in 2010 by prohibiting prisoner
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that led tnew controversies with the obama administration leasing detainees to other countries. president obama: i tolbob and jannie that their son bowe is coming home. as part of this transfer, the united states is transferring five detainees from guantanamo. sharyl: in 2014, the white house made a secret deal to trade so-called high value taliban prisoners for alleged u.s. militaryeserter sgt. bowe bergdahl. the obama administration failed to provide congress the required notice, saying it had to act quickly. part of the argument to close guantanamo bay is its enormous cost. the prison facilities built to hold hundreds is nearly empty. with the current population around 90 and an annual budget of nearly $400 milli tax dollars, it works out to $4.4 million dollars per detainee per year. that's about 62 times the $70,000 cost for a prisoner at a
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in the u.s. carol: we called it the most expensive prison on earth. it's a very redundant operation and it's very complicated, built on the fly, over time, and at this point there's very few people. sharyl: the administration moved more detainees in recent days and additional transfers are soon expected. carol: what's going on this month will take it down to 90. what they're trying to get to is what they call the irreducible minimum, whom they will not let go. sharyl: the remaining question -- if the president does manage to close gitmo, where do those "worst of the worst" go? the white house says some will come to the u.s. >> if we do have to bring some of those individuals to the united states, we are going to put them in the same place where we are already housing dozens of convicted terrorist in american prisons right now. sen. graham: 49 are deemed by his own administration as too
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what do you do with those 49? they're not coming to the united states. there's no way congress is going to fund the ansfer of these is prisoners from guantanamo bay to some jail in the united states under these circumstances. sharyl: democrat alan grayson doesn't see a risk to allowing detainees to come to the u.s. rep. grayson: is there really any doubt that we would lose control over the prisoners of guantanamo bay if they were not at guantanamo bay? sharyl: graham insists since congressional funds e needed to transfer prisoners, it's the republican-led congress, not the president, who will decide guantanamo's fate. sen. graham: anybody who believes now is the time to close guantanamo bay is delusional, and i would say this is a further sense of president obama's delusion about how the war is actuauay going. he has no idea. he has no idea about the threats we face. if he had any idea, this is the last thing he would do. sharyl: you're calling president obama delusional on this. sen. graham: yeah. totally. he's totally delusional about the state of play in the mideast.
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spending bill, congress included a ban on transferring prisoners to the u.s. president obama said the gitmo part might violate the separation of powers. that leaves open the ideas that he could try to use executive authority to again bypass congress. still ahead on "full measure" -- many of the enemy combatants at guantanamo were e ce important al qaeda players who plotted against america. we'll talk to one man whose cia team caught them. gary berntsen: the five individuals that president obama released in return for a deserter were essentially the national security council for the taliban for mala omar. they were the leadership of the taliban who commanded their intelligence apparatus and their
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sharyl: in the very early days of the war on terror, members of the cia and special operations teams were on the ground in afghanistan seeking high value members of the taliban and al qaeda. inin001, gary berntsen commanded the cia's so-called jawbreaker team. many of those captured by his team went to guantanamo. gary: when you look at guantanamo, i think the public needs to understand that the individuals, the vast majority of the people that are there, 99% of the people that are there were captured on a battltlield where they were conducting
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consistent with legal warfare, human rights, they'rgenocidal killers, they were criminals and terrorists in many, many ways. they were ken to guantanamo toto be held so that theyeyould not be attacking us again. sharyl: which, for people who don't understand, which allows us to do what? gary: well, it allows us to hold them as prisoners in a u.s. compound outside the territotorial jurisdiction of the united states. and by doing so, it allows u uto legally keep t tm outside the bounds of the u.s. constitution. sharyl: at's the fear with giving them constitutional rights and convicting them here and holding them in prison? gary: the problem that we have is that many of these individuals were captured on a battlefield, it wasn't a crime scene. it wasn't like the new york city police department ming into a location where a
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up a weapon and they had finger prints on the bullets -- all of the aspects of a criminal investigation in a court of law. if an individual, according to the geneva convention, is not in uniform, doesn't have a designating patch, is not under the authority of competent authority, and is not following the rules of law, they're considered enemy combatants and they can be executed on the battlefield. we did not execute them on the battlefield,d, we chose to instead bring them to a facility and held them. we have created a legal morass and an administrative nightmare in the holding of these individuals. sharyl: by being, basicalllly, more humanitarian. gary: by attempting to be more humanitarian, but we should have brought those that we knew, like the five members of the taliban, ose five individuals were members ofof governing body that conducted genocide. they all should have been hung or shot, but they were released.
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what was your role on the team? gary: well, in 2001, i deployed teams several hundred miles behind enemy lines and captured key membererof the taliban. one of the individuals of course was wasiq, the deputy chief of intelligence. he washen returned to the united states, sent to gitmo, and he and the other four who all played prominent roles -- minister of defense, governor of coast, chief of staff of the army - -these were really big players. sharyl: tell me about those guys, the capture of those guys, some of who were released, and what's your reflection on that? gary: some of those individuals of course were captured had been members of security forces, had been members of the security apparatus, and had actually been in charge ofofrganizing stadium-size events where there'd be ten thousand men cheering. a pick-up truck would drive in, there'd be four women in the back, they'd have leashes on them. they drive around, everyone cheering, they would take them
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executed in front of cheering crowds of taliban. sharyl: for having done what? gary: for having purportedly cheated on their husbands, essentially their husbands didn't want them anymore. and it's said that they had violated islamic law and they were being executed. individuals that had been released from guantanamo, at least one-third of the individuals whwhhad been released have returnededo the battlefifid, have been confirmed to have returned to the battlefield. all those individuals present a clear and present danger to the united states and its ales. they have a super-ideology of jihadism, a knowledge of weapons and tactics, a history of having murdered people in cold blood, and an intense hatred of the united states and of our political system and our social system, and are committed to
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the united states' handling of those individuals at guantanamo may seem to be harsh by a generation that didn't live through the conflict or was unaware of it, but really they had been, it has been very soft and it's been a light hand, and i think it's a great mistake. sharyl: but we were told they wouldn't go back on the battlefield. gary: we were told they would not go back to the battlefield -- and if anyone believes that, they're a fool. sharyl: you played a personal role in their capture or in directing the teams to capture? gary: well, they were my teams that actually did the capture, but i'll say this. had i known now, i mean had i known then what i know now, i'm actually just sorry we didn't execute them on the battlefield. i really am. sharyl: in 2014, the obama administration released two of jawbreaker team's captives in a swap for u.s. army alleged deserter and talib prisoner -- sergeant bowe bergdahl. berghdahl is currently undergoing trial on charges of desertion and misbehavior before the enemy.
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-- uncovering what the government esn't want you to know -- some claim it's more difficult now than ever.
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may help change e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e sharyl: this week, the house passed a new bill to help lift the veil of government secrecy. that, as a new report from the housusoversight committee e nds the freedom of information act -- or foia -- is broken. the law, signed by president lyndon johnson 50 years ago, was
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americans to access public records. but critics say government agencies have adopted an "unlawful presumption in favorr of secrecy" that does not measure up. rep. chaffetz: we have to remember whoe work for. we work for the american people and the american people are paying the tab, it's their government and they have the right to know. sharyl: republican jason chaffetz heads the house oversight committee, which issued the new report after bipartisan hearings last summer on the broken freedom of information, or foia, process. i, along with representatives from vice news, the "new york times," and others testified about egregious violations by federal agencies, which frequently fail to provide public information in the 20 business days required under foia law. in 2013,3,he defense department finally responded to a foia request i'd made in 2020. too late to be of use for the news story i was working on back then. for some perspective, my
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when i made the foia request. by the time i got a response from the pentagon, she was going off to college. jason: i have submitted thousasas of foia requests to dozens of different agencies, and in my experience, fewer than one percent of my requests have been decided within the framework required by foia. sharyl: the news media and public may sue the government to get the information. but that can take years -- and the government uses your tax dollars to defend itself. david: a citizen's right to get information released in a timely fashion should not turn on whether the citizen is fortunate enough to have the resesources and know-how to sue. sharyl: the new report from the house oversight committee says backlogs of freedom of information act requests have more than doubled since president obama took office, and agencies are sitting on thousands of unfulfilled document requests. congressman elijah cummings of maryland is the top democrat on the oversight committee. rep. cummings: the obama administration -- which i believe will go down in history as one of the most transparent administrations to date.
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"erroneousus "highly partisan," d "incomplete." rep. cummings: from 2009-2014, the overall number of foia requests submitted to fed agencies increased by 28% with new records set in each of the past 4 years. sharyl: still, cummings agrees foia reform is needed. rep. cummings: congress must give these agencies more resources. shar: this week, the house voted on a bill that he co-sponsored to strengthen foia law. >> the bill is passed. without objection, the motion to reconsider is laid on the table. sharyl: the bipartisan bill would require government agencies to update regulations, post frequently requested information onlili, and release all information not covered by national security after 25 years. rep. issa: we regularly use the freedom of information act and we regularly find ourselves frustrated. sharyl: republican darrell issa of california co-sponsored the ia bill. rep. issa: no longer after this
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administration - republican or democratic - be able to presume that they are going to say no if they possibly can. instead, this bill shifts the burden to the presumption of yes. sharyl: the bill also would create one single website people could use to submit foia requests to any government agency. a similar bill is awaiting a vote in the senate. the white house hahasn't said whether the president will sign it. coming up on "full measure" -- we te a look at some of our favorite things. like cling out the government for wasting your money on things like this. know this man? of course you do -- walt disney, father of mickey mouse. then why did the federal
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about him? sharyl: in this week's "follow the money," a new report -- "america's most wasted: runaway spending." it highlights 51 examples of taxpayer waste adding up to $27 billion, as identified by sen. john mccain. we first asked him about a $25,000 national endowment for the arts grant for an art project entitled "something rotten." sen. mccain: it is garbage art. that is what they happened to be paying money for. these are various depictions of garbage in a certain locations and in certain views of it. remarkable. sharyl: the national endowment for the humanities used $600,000
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